Does anyone know who this mermaid is and what tail she has?

[MermaidUnicorn]

Hi,
I'm totally new here. I found this gif and was wondering about who this mermaid is. I can't seem to find any info? I love her tail and everything.
Please let me know and thank you.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5jisBcfy84ojC/giphy.gif

[26494926bdgqifkwb]

I think it's just one of the mermaids from the movie Hook.

[Starfrit]

Definitely from Hook (Love that movie so much omfg)! :D Not sure who/which FX studio made the tails for that movie, but I'm pretty sure those are extended tails, too. Looks great aesthetically, not the most practical for actually swimming in. :P

[MermaidUnicorn]

Thank you! Great to know. I love the look but I could see how it'd be hard to swim.

[Echidna]

It's possible to make an extended tail that's good for swimming when using an extended monofin.

There are not many and they are darn expensive, which is why I haven't tried one yet to see if they really swim so much faster than conventional monofins.

Here is a pic of a mermaid using an extended monofin in her tail
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[OceanWhisper]

Awesome! Cool idea to use a dol-fin :D (if that's what it is? Idk)

[PearlieMae]

Isn't that a Lunocette? A little strategic silicone padding could make that quite convincing. Silicone would be neutrally buoyant and really smooth out the lumps.

Who's tail is that?

[MerAnthony]

WOW!! Those are very pricy to buy. OUCH!!

[Merman Lir]

Isn't that a Lunocette? A little strategic silicone padding could make that quite convincing. Silicone would be neutrally buoyant and really smooth out the lumps.

Who's tail is that?

looks like a magic tail stretched over the longer fin. a silicone tail would hide the feet better as you say. personally, ( i may be in the minority), I don't care for the extended tails.

[Echidna]

It's a Lunocet (the newer model).
The tail belongs to a German mermaid in the Meerjungfrauentreff Nord FB group.

I don't know her personally, but I really want to ask her where she got the Lunocet with this footpocket.

[TritonsGuard]

You are correct, it is a Lunocet. A Lunocet Pro to be exact. It's their latest model. I've been wanting one of their fins for years, but several things have stopped me from getting one. First is that I'm scared of being disappointed. The next is the price. However, the biggest reason is that I've seen reports that they have not been delivering.
In regards to if an extended tail would not preform as well, it would depend on the way it was built. The tails in hook did not have very stiff flukes. This would make them not very good for speed. Even still, they are the best looking tails I've seen in a live action movie. A shame they were used for only a few minutes

[Sherielle]

Oh my goodness. Now that I know that a Lunocet pro fits in a tail skin, I am SO going to have to try it. I just got a Lunocet pro for my husband and we both bought shoes so we could both swim with it.
My only problem with the tails in Hook are that they look permanently bent down. The tail doesn't flex up and that bothers me for some reason.

[TritonsGuard]

How long did it take for you to receive you fin? I heard some people wait for quite some time.

[Sherielle]

I got it pretty quick. Ultimateswimfim.com is a user here on the forum and he sells them.

[TritonsGuard]

Okay. Thanks for the info. It's just that I've heard some comments saying they took a very long time. Perhaps what happened to them is more failure in paperwork on the person's part.

[TritonsGuard]

How well does it work by the way?

[Sherielle]

How well does it work by the way?We lost our pool tag so we haven't been able to try it out. But we got a replacement and should be swimming with it this evening. I'll let you know.

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

Hello. Yes - we sell the Lunocet at our site (UltimateSwimFin.com) and ship within a few business days.

I've taken over fulfillment, customer service and delivery from the inventor and people are getting their fins very quickly.

With cycling shoes, it's SUPER comfortable.

Haven't tried it with a tail over it yet... But it's on my list!!

You can see videos of it in use on my site. We had one diver take it down (and back up!) to -61m on a single breath! That's 200' deep in the ocean!


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[Triton-Mahtlinnie]

I'm curious to know how well the setup of a lunocet inside fabric works. I had thought that you had to leave a lunocet uncovered due to it's airfoil shape.

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

It was definitely designed to be used without a fabrc tail / cover.

Then again, so is virtually every monofin!

Any fabric will increase drag, but you will still be moving water across the surfaces and create lift and hence propulsion.

I'm willing to bet that it will swim better than a heavy / bulky full silicone tail.

For maximum efficiency and performance, ditch the tail and just use a monofin and tight slick skin neoprene wetsuit.

Problem is - you'll look like a Freediver... Not a mermaid. [emoji26]


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[TritonsGuard]

Ah. Thank you for the info. I'll seriously consider it. It may be a bit before I order because I'm moving soon, but I am very interested.
As for making a tail, this is one fin that may be best to work with it as opposed to altering it or putting it in something. For example: putting decals on it or very lightly painting it will probably not affect its performance that much. For where it meets the body of the tail, a combination of velcro, straps, and cord might work while still not compromising how well the fin works. However, one thing I believe should not be done is seal it permanently in anything.
What do you think?

Oh, and what kind of bike shoes would be best?

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

The rubber flukes flex, so I'd think a latex paint might be the safest.

We had one customer paint it white underneath like an orca! Maybe I'll follow up with him.

Triathlon shoes with Velcro are great because they dry fast and are easy to get into / out of. Road shoes also work great and often allow for more power transfer because the soles are stiffer.

Sidi and Shimano (less expensive) have proven to hold up well to in-water use.


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[MermanOliver]

The tail belongs to Mermaid Aglaia. She is on the forum and will post an update (told her that her tail was found ;) )

[PearlieMae]

It was definitely designed to be used without a fabrc tail / cover.

Then again, so is virtually every monofin!

Any fabric will increase drag, but you will still be moving water across the surfaces and create lift and hence propulsion.

I'm willing to bet that it will swim better than a heavy / bulky full silicone tail.

For maximum efficiency and performance, ditch the tail and just use a monofin and tight slick skin neoprene wetsuit.

Problem is - you'll look like a Freediver... Not a mermaid. [emoji26]


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"Heavy, bulky silicone tail"? "ditch the tail and just use a monofin and tight slick skin neoprene wetsuit"?

Silicone is heavy OUT of the water, not IN the water, and it's more hydrodynamic than human legs...and as far as I know, merfolk are more concerned with aesthetics, not "maximum efficiency and performance".

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

I understand the choice of aesthetics over pure performance. But the question was asked re: performance.

And it's not so much about weight as it is about mass. You still have to accelerate and decelerate the mass, even in water where it doesn't have as much weight.




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[TritonsGuard]

Hey, whoa! Hold on a minute. Let me start by saying that I love your work. Your tails look amazing, and from what I've seen, they preform well. I can not wait to see how the tail you're making for my friend Lotus_Blooming turns out. However, I was looking for some way to take swimming in tails to the next level. For me, it is as much about swimming like a merman as it is looking the part. I believe at some point, we will have tails that look amazing, and also let you have the speed and agility that will make it even more convincing that we are the real deal.

[PearlieMae]

Thank, TritonsGuard!

I'm obviously no expert in finswimming, so I will bow out of this conversation.

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

I honestly think that neoprene may be heavily overlooked as a perfect material to cover the legs with, it can be painted and is super hydrodynamic.

Couple that with some effective flukes and I think you can have both performance and aesthetics.


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[Mer-Crazy]

I honestly think that neoprene may be heavily overlooked as a perfect material to cover the legs with, it can be painted and is super hydrodynamic.

Couple that with some effective flukes and I think you can have both performance and aesthetics.


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I wonder why people don't use neoprene more often... do you need a specialized machine to sew it? Maybe? The drying time might be a factor, but if it's not covered in Silicone I can't see it being too bad. Maybe it's the paint. I can't paint to save my life so knowing that painting it would be part of the process would probably turn me off it. The buoyancy would probably worry some people. Little Orca uses neoprene tails and they're amazing! She'd probably be one of the people I asked if I ever made one.

[TritonsGuard]

Absolutely, and I'm pretty sure that is one of the first things I'll try, after using it by itself for a while. What I like about it is that it is reversible. If it doesn't turn out right, the most expensive part of the tail will most likely be retrieved. I am still convinced that there are ways to use silicone, it just needs to be done wisely and with nothing permanent being done to the fin (and I mean the whole fin). If I get a Lunocet pro, any tail I make will have the fin be removable. Too big of an investment.

[Mermaid Aglaia]

This in my Lunocet, it is the 2014 pro Model.
The reason why i use it in a fabrictail is, i have problems with my siliconetail. I use the fin with and without the tail and the difference in the propulsion is not great. I'm realy fast with both setups but i think, the lunocet is not the best monofin for mermaidtails. The Spring is too weak for a heavyer fin or a Coating of the blades. And you have to keep the NACA0008 profile.
You can get really fast with the Lunocet without tail but the fabric can act like a parachut with a lot of drag. A siliconetail is mutch more efficent an it locks better.
The most advantage is, you can diassemble it for better transport than a normal monofin.

I think a normal monofin is the better way for a tail, because you have no designrestrictions and a tail is not for speed it is for aesthetic

[UltimateSwimFin.com]

FYI, the 2015 spring is MUCH bigger than the 2014


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[Echidna]

Thanks, Aglaia!
What I take from your experience is:

The Lunocet is a great fin for fast swimming without a tailskin.
For usage within a tail, conventional monofins are better, especially when doing turns and tricks.

As for tail material, that's a whole different discussion, but I can answer why not more people use neoprene:
because of the buoyancy.
It makes weights almost mandatory, and if you just want to swim in your tail and not feel totally constricted and weighted down (you have to lob all those weights to the water and back), another material is much less hassle.

[OceanWhisper]

Isn't that a Lunocette? A little strategic silicone padding could make that quite convincing. Silicone would be neutrally buoyant and really smooth out the lumps.

Who's tail is that?
My bad, haha ^.^ I guess they aren't as similar as I thought lol 31824

[Mujdak]

Dear PearlieMae,
I saw your purple tail and it seems amazing to me. But I am adicted to extended ones. Can you also make these?
Thanks

[PearlieMae]

Dear PearlieMae,
I saw your purple tail and it seems amazing to me. But I am adicted to extended ones. Can you also make these?
Thanks

I don't really know. I've been toying with several ideas and theories, and I'm sure I could engineer something, but right now I have too many commissions to complete before I could even begin to explore extended tail possibilities. If I had a year of experimentation and a large budget, I'm positive I could...just can't afford it right now!

Thank you for your compliment! I love my purple tail!

[Mujdak]

Thank you the answer.
Enjoy your projects :)

[Merman Storm]

Ive been wondering about the foot pocket being used with the Lunocet in the earlier photo. I found it: It is a Aqua Sphere Microfin Fitness Swim fin, and is available on Amazon. If you go and take a look, you can see the pattern molded into the rubber is the same.
What remains unknown is how they were attached to the Lunocet.

Mermaind Aglaia, how was it done?

[SIF]

I also have not been able to pinpoint the creators of the tails for Hook.

[Elodea the Mermaid]

I'm pretty sure that's CG, folks.

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[Mermaid Lorelei]

I can't find the photo at the moment, but I know the tails aren't CG. There's a shot of the red tail above water in a dry shoot that shows the extension pretty well. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[Mermaid Alea]

Mermaid Lorelei - Is this the one you are after?
http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=36628&stc=1

This was off of DeviantArt.

[Mermaid Lorelei]

No photo is showing up for me.