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AniaR
05-28-2017, 02:45 PM
I got some really rude comments today on a behind the scenes video of one of my mermaids playing around in my blue tail.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJRfkuHf2QQ

Things to note:
1. She is still a new mermaid, yes she's been with me a year but has done mostly dry gigs and is still learning the swimming aspect (and the person leaving the comments has followed my stuff a while so they know that)
2. The video literally says "swimming for fun"
3. She is wearing a tail clearly too big for her and you can see the waist gaps open causing her some drag, and anyone who has worn a competitor monofin knows they're tricky for doing flips. \
4. She is literally just having fun, trying things out, with her eyes open in horrible chlorine

The complaint from the person? You should never bend your knees as a mermaid, as to dolphin kick you don't bend your knees. Also, the commentor thinks there shouldnt be videos of people struggling or not looking like "one with the water".

Actually, not true. And it bothers me that this is an expectation from fans when it comes to mermaids, because it's not safe.

First off, even michael phelps bends his knees a bit when doing the dolphin kick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzjEyc7Kz4

^listen to what he's saying and describing.

Most instructional videos tell you to push from the ankles and bend a little:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sBxjYR2fdo

Professional swimmers agree that there will be variation depending on the NEEDS of the swimmer's body. So of course, when we are in a mermaid tail, our needs are changing because the mermaid tail (especially silicone) is introducing things that these swimmers just using feet or a monofin don't have to deal with.

1) We have way more force going against our bodies than they do. On the hips, ankles, and knees. And how that force is distributed can be incredibly detrimental to your body if you don't bend to relieve some of it. This was something we consistently found when testing at the aquatron, and it's also something that has come up when I have spoken with health professionals. My team (personal trainer, physiotherapist, and chiropractor) have told me to avoid being straight-legged because of the dysfunction mermaid swimming causes when I do that to my hips and pelvic floor. After doing this for 9 years it has caused me hip diplasia and pelvic floor dysfunction. I spoke with Hannah Fraser just before mermania 1 and she was also experiencing hip issues. This is something I am going to try and show in my documentary with having the docs on camera discussing it and explaining it with an animation.

2) we have far more drag and buoyancy issues than those swimmers do. Different flukes will affect this which also created different force not healthy on straight legs.

3) We have a different range of motion due to the tightness of the silicone tails, or if they're too loose for you.


I think it's a very unhealthy, dangerous, and unrealistic expectation to believe merfolk should never bend their knees. I can tell you from teaching mermaid school there are times when people bend them too much and they look like an inch worm and that is a problem and needs to be corrected. but you can't basically plank underwater and think you can lead everything from your core or upper body when the only kick you can use relies on snapping your ankles. And don't get me wrong everything in moderation, I know people try to get the look to look neat in a video or whatever, but it's healthier to allow yourself to bend from time to time.

Here's a video I did on the topic. Ranting :D I also talk in it about mermaid myths that involve legs and knees- mythology wise!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuL0ZBaphaQ&feature=youtu.be



Here's some videos of other pro mermaids where you can see them bending their knees:

Hannah literally starts off with bending her knees, right away:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jghh7NI_cJ4

viral video of professional freediver bending knees the entire time she's in a tail


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NWe7sIoVM8

Professional long time mermaid and long time freediver (and free diving judge) Mermaid Linden bends her knees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rclGMuYmYgs

Mermaid melissa trains her mermaid team, with lots of knee bending!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmpuhHegUR8

My point is that it's an UNREALISTIC expectation and seems to come from this whole mermaid purist mentality. No joints in the tail, no tops, long hair etc. and I for one am pretty sick of it.

courtneymermaid
05-28-2017, 03:07 PM
I could not agree with this more. It makes me nuts. Great rant video! <3

Mermaid Wesley
05-28-2017, 03:09 PM
Ugh tell me about it. Newsflash, buddy. There's a human in there! With knees! Whaaaat??


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Merman Storm
05-28-2017, 06:14 PM
I agree with the need to bend at the knees. When I swim, I think more of a snake swimming than a dolphin, other than we flex up and down rather than side to side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzW5D_1LBE
The least flex occurs right behind the head. The amount of flex increases from the head down the body to the tail.
For us, that means we flex very little at the neck and chest, a bit more at the waist, more at the hips, a bit more at the knees, and the most at the ankles. I try for a wave of ever increasing amplitude moving down my body.
Even this changes when swimming on the surface. I find when swimming on my back, I want to flex at the waist and hips very little, or not at all. A full dolphin kick tends to make a big splash above my chest that slops into my face. Instead, I use just my knees (a little) and ankles. Face down with a snorkel tends to be the same; not a full dolphin kick, but using just a little at the hips, and more at the knees and ankles.

Mermaid Emeraldina
05-29-2017, 01:50 AM
Sounds like jealousy to me. Gonna get trolls no matter where and what you're doing!

Mermaid Kassandra
05-29-2017, 04:37 AM
When I got my free diving patent and in all my swimming trainings (I used to be an agonist swimmer for many years), they taught me to bend my knees because you will lose a lot of strength not doing so (I remember my instructor saying to me "the more you bend your knees, the better is -of course not too much!), not talking about all the body issues not bending your knees can bring (even when we walk or run our legs are NEVER straight! It's just the way we are made and our body woks).

Also it is physics! When you're swimming in a monofin you're working with a lever and its fulcrum is on your hips, if you don't bend your knees you won't be able to use your stronger leg's muscels and you can really do very little and you'll be a nag as an athlete, but also you have a wrong swimming technique that will cause you, sooner or later, a lot of issues and pain!

I always wonder why people lose their occasion to not speak if they don't know anything about the subject....



Sounds like jealousy to me. Gonna get trolls no matter where and what you're doing!

I could not agree more. Jealousy or lack of knowledge.

Samantha
05-29-2017, 10:43 AM
I do enjoy your rant videos because they are so true but you do It in such a way that isn't offensive or mean but you get the point across and shut the haters down :hail:

AniaR
05-29-2017, 12:46 PM
hahaha thanks. I was so ranty, I forgot to put on makeup LOL

Mermaid Alea
05-29-2017, 11:00 PM
The funny part is the people who leave those comments about you bending your knees have probably never tried swimming in a mermaid tail before. I wish the people who made those comments would then be summoned to a pool and get handed a big silicone tail and then were told, "Okay put this on, get in the water, swim without bending your knees, keep your eyes open, and don't forget to smile and look graceful!" :lol:

LouLouBelle
05-30-2017, 07:03 AM
Sounds like jealousy to me. Gonna get trolls no matter where and what you're doing!

Couldn't agree more!

I don't think people genuinely have a problem with seeing the knees bend, but rather they just want something - anything - to hate on. Some people just like taking other people down. If they see something that's a little bit different, they've got to find something bad to say about it. Especially if they notice other people giving it positive attention. These are the people you'll never catch giving a compliment to anyone else. They've always got to be on top. They just have to be critical of everything and everyone.

Raina - that rant video was perfect!


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AniaR
05-30-2017, 02:51 PM
I don't know, I have seen mers who run mermaid schools on camera yell at participants about bending knees. Like where are they even backing this up from? Like I said in the video, don't hold standard to a creature that doesn't actually exist- especially if it can harm your body.

I certainly have gotten the comment from a few mers over the years but it is a majority of people who arent and have no clue.

LouLouBelle
05-30-2017, 05:17 PM
Seriously? That's just crazy... and downright scary to imagine professionals actually teaching that.

I've never seen anyone do dolphin kick without at least a slight bend in their knees.

Makes you wonder if they actually realise what they're teaching. I guess if you want to encourage your hips to sublux and end up with osteoarthritis and ligament tears in your knees, then that's the way to go...


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Mermaid Salty
06-02-2017, 10:51 PM
Kristin looks bloody gold underwater! That commenter -wishes- they could swim that well in those conditions.

Neerai
06-07-2017, 03:11 PM
Best rant ever.

Last week I went to the pool and I remembered your video. I tried the dolphin kick without bending my knees... and was just impossible!

We're mer-humans in lovely tails, but under our tails we have legs. AND knees. So... "fin" them if they can't accept reality.

Arking
06-28-2017, 12:32 AM
Firstly, those tails are absolutely beautiful and she seems to handle it amazingly well.

Secondly I could watch Phelps swim all day. ;)

This was really informative for me as I've not really had a whole lot of experience with technique myself. Its nice to have had a chance to read this and not fall into a mindset that's dangerous and misleading. I'll have to pay attention to what I'm doing more with my monofin though, Phelps looks like he's got so much control in so little of a movement.

AniaR
06-28-2017, 09:49 PM
Phelps is labelled as double jointed though too and remember he's an olympian so don't hold yourself to his standard either ;) just keep working at it!

Melamermaid_Kendra
07-07-2017, 10:45 AM
It always pissed me off when people would comment "mermaids don't have knees." It's like, that's a wonderful observation, Benjamin, would you like an Nobel prize for that one?