New Guillermo del Toro movie: The Shape of Water

[malinghi]

I already love Guillermo del Toro's movies, but I'm especially excited for his new movie because based on the trailer it looks like it's about a women falling in love with an aquatic creature that looks like Abe Sapien.

https://youtu.be/lA4WD92it0k

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[Mermaid Joie]

That looks Amazing!!! I am so pumped now

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[courtneymermaid]

Oh wow! This looks amazing!! I can't wait to see it!

[AniaR]

the trailer looks soooooooooooo good.

[Khaleesi Daenerys]

Oh catfish you beat me to it! I was going to post this movie as well lol. I'm so excited about it.

[Derek Broussard]

so excited for this movie!!

[Mermaid Kane]

Oh wow! Must watch.

[cosmoboarini]

I know!!! I really can't wait! It's supposed to be super dark and sultry and kind of a next level Beauty and the Beast but with a sea creature instead of a furry one!

[cosmoboarini]

I know!!! I really can't wait! It's supposed to be super dark and sultry and kind of a next level Beauty and the Beast but with a sea creature instead of a furry one!

Here's a couple of great articles about it. It looks stunningly beautiful!

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/the-shape-of-water-red-band-trailer-guillermo-del-tor-new-footage-oscars-1201876405/

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/shape-of-water-trailer-guillermo-del-toro-watch-1202499825/

[malinghi]

So pumped. Del Toro is willing to make weirder movies than a lot of Hollywood. The ideas of a romance with a character that isn't sexy is totally out of the question for a lot of studios.

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[Mermaid Wesley]

This is GONNA BE RAD IMO


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[Livelifedeep]

Yes this looks awesome

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[Amphitrite]

Hmmmmm. I am not yet sure if I like this idea.

[Mermaid Delphinidae]

Guillermo del Toro is a great filmmaker and the movie looks amazing, I can't wait to see it!

[Mermaid Persephone]

I'm gonna see this pretty much the second it comes out.

[Mermaid Holly]

This looks awesome, but I don't understand why it's rated R! Why why why do filmmakers have to go and ruin a movie that looks amazing with something like that?!

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[Mermaid Delphinidae]

This looks awesome, but I don't understand why it's rated R! Why why why do filmmakers have to go and ruin a movie that looks amazing with something like that?!

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How does R-rated content (or an R-rating, some movies get it for a really stupid reason) automatically ruin a movie?

[Mermaid Holly]

How does R-rated content (or an R-rating, some movies get it for a really stupid reason) automatically ruin a movie?
I think I was being a way too harsh saying it ruins the entire movie, what I was trying to say was, having sex and nudity is completely unnecessary for anything. (plot advancement, character development, ect.) I don't think ruins the movie, it just has no need for any R rated content.

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[Mermaid Momo]

The r-rating comes from the sex scene, where the fish man and the woman who rescued him are finally together without any glass between them so it is a rather large plot advancement piece.

[himansh]

Amazing!!!!!!!
Waiting to watch this:).

[AniaR]

I started another thread for the film Del-Toro claims was the inspiration :) It's called The World Between Us

I can't wait to see this but isn't out where I live yet

[Mermaid Delphinidae]

The r-rating comes from the sex scene, where the fish man and the woman who rescued him are finally together without any glass between them so it is a rather large plot advancement piece.

Agreed, lots of movies have totally gratuitous sex and nudity but it can be done in a way that's important to the plot or themes. Just as well, it's really not as intense as reviews have made it out to be.

Anyway, I liked the movie. I just wish the romance was a bit more developed. Like, we see why Eliza falls in love with the Asset, but we don't see much of why he falls in love with her, ya know? The effects and acting were good, of course. Strickland was terrifying! I know a lot of people thought he was too much of a caricature of evil but I thought it worked out, especially for the time period it's set in. The underwater scenes were so beautiful, obviously I have a bias towards that, ha ha.

[AptaMer]

Thought some folks might like this article on how the special effects work was done

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/2017/12/09/torontos-mr-x-makes-its-mark-on-hollywood-with-dazzling-effects.html

On thing about Guillermo del Toro, he always goes first class in the production of his films, he's become important enough that the studio suits let him produce films his way, instead of trying to force cheap shortcuts on him. It was the same with Pacific Rim, which he also produced in Toronto.

[Mermaid Holly]

[QUOTE=Mermaid Delphinidae;291463]Agreed, lots of movies have totally gratuitous sex and nudity but it can be done in a way that's important to the plot or themes. Just as well, it's really not as intense as reviews have made it out to be.

Just to clarify, that is just my opinion, and I'm not trying to force it on anyone. Agree to disagree?

[Triton-Mahtlinnie]

I just saw Shape of Water and oh man it was so good. I loved it! The acting was amazing from all involved, the Fishman looked -gorgeous-, and the filmography was stunning.

I also really liked seeing a main cast that was a lot more diverse than I'm used to.

Yes, there was a lot of nudity, gore, and general violence. But I think I'm going to go see it again!

[AniaR]

I loved loved loved loved ALL of it so much but I had to close my eyes at every broken finger scene hahha

If anyone is interested, this short film inspired the look/story quite a bit according to del-toro


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEIpzBPUjEo

[TheMerthropologist]

I loved loved loved loved ALL of it so much but I had to close my eyes at every broken finger scene hahha

If anyone is interested, this short film inspired the look/story quite a bit according to del-toro

The Space Between Us is lovely! Do you have any links where Del Toro cites it as inspiration though? I know it came out 2015 but TSOW began taking form around 2011 and is greatly influence by Del Toro's love for The Creature of The Black Lagoon (an infatuation that began when Del Tor was 6 who the asset clearly pays homage to). I ask because I can't find Del Toro talking about The Space Between Us, but I've seen other critics (youtube commenters, tumblr, other smaller sites) calling TSOW a rip off of it which I think it unwarranted. I figured it's more coincidental and what happens when two people develop narratives from a similar source of concept (because it's an amazing concept that I need more stories about). They're both beautiful films in their own right.

[AptaMer]

Hi @TheMerthropologist,

The Space Between Us was made in 2015 by students at the Netherlands Film Academy as a graduation project.

Guillermo del Toro has tweeted that he came up with the concept for The Shape of Water in 2011, and a person who discussed it with him has confirmed that fact:

https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/900160721769684993

He also asked Sally Hawkins to star in the movie in January of 2014.

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/guillermo-del-toro-antiques-roadshow-the-shape-of-water-sally-hawkins-1201899009/amp/

There's no way del Toro plagiarized the NFA students' project, and I think it's very unlikely they plagiarized his.

I see 2 possibilities:



Great minds think alike (especially since Creature from the Black Lagoon is one of the great classics, studied by film students all over the world).
The movie industry is a surprisingly small world, and leaks and rumours and ideas float around and get repeated, like the telephone game, and can end up triggering a spark in the mind of someone that turns into a project that they see all as their own.


At any rate, The Shape of Water was not plagiarized from The Space Between Us, so I would say just enjoy the ride with both the film and the short.

[TheMerthropologist]

Thanks @AptaMer

I knew that much and I figured it was coincidental. I'm just kinda confused by what Raina said and what doc she saw where Guillermo mentions The Space Between Us.
I know I shouldn't worry too much but it's a bit disappointing to see other people bash on the film for plagiarism despite the evidence to the contrary.

[Echidna]

SPOILERS ahead!


I finally got around to watching it, and it seems that many (if not most) people don't even realize that Elisa is a mermaid (or the female counterpart of the amphibious dude).

That's funny, for I've read complaints how the movie was full of clichés and pc-ness- ok, it is-, but this particular complaint holds no water *lol*.

Here's a quick summary for those who weren't already aware of her origin:

-was found in a river as a child, alone, no relatives known
-is magically drawn to water, dreams about being and living underwater
-can control water (raindrops in the bus)
-knows exactly if it's going to rain
-has slashes on her throat that turn out to be non-functional gills (which start to function in the end)

So this is why she is so drawn to the guy from the beginning.



Agreed, lots of movies have totally gratuitous sex and nudity but it can be done in a way that's important to the plot or themes.

In this case, I have to say that the only erotic scene "needed" to further the plot would have been Elisa's scene with the fish dude, but that scene was incredibly tame and innocent, just some hugging.
I doubt the R-rating was for that scene.

Of course, the director just loves shocking and horrifying scenes and violence, so the movie would have gotten its rating regardless of whether there was sex involved or not.
It's the one thing I don't like about his movies. Too much needless, icky splatter involved at times.
But still worth watching for the story and atmosphere.