First Tail

[freyamaat]

I've been planning my first tail for months and now that I'm enrolled in a school for special effects it seems a good time! I always felt if I were a mer I'd be from the wetlands. Someone who hides in the mud and long grasses so my inspiration for this tail is the red tailed catfish.

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The first drawing I did of it was more or less to get the design down. There were so many possibilities!

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Since ordering my first monofin the design has changed but parts of it are still the same.

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I've started drafting a pattern for the fluke and have a duct tape body form done and ready for rigid foam.

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I will not be adding scales to this which is screwing up my idea of how to make this tail.

I'm waiting on large paper to start a paper body pattern, a board to start sculpting my fluke, and WED clay for the body. Wee! From there I'm hoping to check my proportions and start drafting the fins.

Right now my question is how do I attach the fins to the body once everything has been cured and painted? I'm still digging around but I haven't stumbled across an answer yet. And what is the purpose of powermesh? Ill keep you guys posted with progress photos and stupid selfies as things progress.

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[freyamaat]

I forgot to add one.
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[Mermaid_Izzy]

Assuming you are making it out of DragonSkin from Smooth-On, the power mesh is used to strengthen the fins.

And if you are attaching fins, you can do that before or after painting with more silicone. I did an individually scaled tail, so I attached mine before the tail body was painted.

Also if you are doing silicone, your fluke is going to be heavy and you should consider the stress it can put on your Rapid since it's a plastic monofin.

Hope this helps, but if you are using a different method then it might not be.



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[Mermaid Kane]

I was using a redtail cat for my first tail, too, but I guess you beat me to it!
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You can also see in my signature.

Anyways. Good luck!

[freyamaat]

Do it anyway!!! I'd love to see your take on it and another fresh water mer!

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[freyamaat]

Plus a beautiful design. I love the super long whiskers!

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[freyamaat]

Assuming you are making it out of DragonSkin from Smooth-On, the power mesh is used to strengthen the fins.

And if you are attaching fins, you can do that before or after painting with more silicone. I did an individually scaled tail, so I attached mine before the tail body was painted.

Also if you are doing silicone, your fluke is going to be heavy and you should consider the stress it can put on your Rapid since it's a plastic monofin.

Hope this helps, but if you are using a different method then it might not be.



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I had planned to use dragonskin. I take it the fabric is wedged between the two halves then? And would you recommend shaving down the ridges on the fin so I use less silicone or will that upset the structural integrity of the monofin?

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[Mermaid_Izzy]

I had planned to use dragonskin. I take it the fabric is wedged between the two halves then? And would you recommend shaving down the ridges on the fin so I use less silicone or will that upset the structural integrity of the monofin?

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I used the finis foil and it has high ridges, I thought of shaving them down, but after warnings of defects, I decided not to and I can't even notice them through my tail.


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[freyamaat]

I used the finis foil and it has high ridges, I thought of shaving them down, but after warnings of defects, I decided not to and I can't even notice them through my tail.


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Okay, thank you. I may just risk leaving them be and see what happens. If it cracks under the weight I've learned my lesson and will invest in a better monofin next time.

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[Mermaid_Izzy]

Okay, thank you. I may just risk leaving them be and see what happens. If it cracks under the weight I've learned my lesson and will invest in a better monofin next time.

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Okay. I know that MerNation uses them in their lighter full silicone tails, but I don't know how that works or really how they are made...


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[Mermaid Fenicia]

if you are going to use dragonskin, you better use body-double made out of packing tape, as ducktape will stop curing dragonskin.

[Mermaid_Izzy]

if you are going to use dragonskin, you better use body-double made out of packing tape, as ducktape will stop curing dragonskin.

It never stopped the cure of mine. And it was always in contact with the ducktape.


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[freyamaat]

if you are going to use dragonskin, you better use body-double made out of packing tape, as ducktape will stop curing dragonskin.
I plan on sculpting on top of the duct tape. Silicone will never come in contact with the duct tape in theory but I'm flying by the seat of my pants because I'm not using a scale sheet.

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[shimmygoddess]

I thought duct tape dummies were supposed to be done with the legs together? Is there a reason you did it differently?

[PearlieMae]

Shimmy is right, those legs need to be together and the mannequin needs to be tight...leave about a fist-width between the ankles so you have room to put your feet in your fin. Remember, rubber stretches! The tendency is that there will always be a bit of bagginess in the back of the thighs. But i haven't figured out how to remedy that and be able to sit in a tail on land and not show mer-crack without that extra.

Packing tape works better than duck tape/duct tape because A: it's lighter; B: it's cheaper; and C: it doesn't leave glue residue on your straight pins.

You don't really need powermesh in your fins, but it can help attach them to your tail body. Powermesh as a base to your tail adds strength and helps the tail keep its shape. Otherwise, a Dragonskin tail without it could be too stretchy (Dragonskin is really soft) and you could have trouble with ballooning and slipping off. Powermesh is a lightweight, stretchy stabilizer/foundation.

Don't sand down the ridges of your fin...it will speed the deterioration of your fin. The constant flexing of swimming will eventually cause the plastic to fail and crack, usually right across, in front of your toes. The ridges will make the fin last a little longer, but it's been my experience that it will eventually break. I've worn out several. Bend the lid to a food container back and forth until it breaks and that's what eventually happens to your fin...it's the nature of that plastic. I think it's polypropylene.

Good luck!

[freyamaat]

Shimmy is right, those legs need to be together and the mannequin needs to be tight...leave about a fist-width between the ankles so you have room to put your feet in your fin. Remember, rubber stretches! The tendency is that there will always be a bit of bagginess in the back of the thighs. But i haven't figured out how to remedy that and be able to sit in a tail on land and not show mer-crack without that extra.

Packing tape works better than duck tape/duct tape because A: it's lighter; B: it's cheaper; and C: it doesn't leave glue residue on your straight pins.

You don't really need powermesh in your fins, but it can help attach them to your tail body. Powermesh as a base to your tail adds strength and helps the tail keep its shape. Otherwise, a Dragonskin tail without it could be too stretchy (Dragonskin is really soft) and you could have trouble with ballooning and slipping off. Powermesh is a lightweight, stretchy stabilizer/foundation.

Don't sand down the ridges of your fin...it will speed the deterioration of your fin. The constant flexing of swimming will eventually cause the plastic to fail and crack, usually right across, in front of your toes. The ridges will make the fin last a little longer, but it's been my experience that it will eventually break. I've worn out several. Bend the lid to a food container back and forth until it breaks and that's what eventually happens to your fin...it's the nature of that plastic. I think it's polypropylene.

Good luck!

It was easier to wrap it like pants, this way I can shape and modify it. I can stick it in the monofin and then take the legs together so it's all the right distance.

Thank you for the feedback, its much appreciated! Ill splurge on a fiber glass fin next time.

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[freyamaat]

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Taking a break from my tail to work on the top. I haven't looked yet on the network, but what's the best way to strengthen and reinforce shells? I'm so scared of them breaking.

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[freyamaat]

Started playing with pattern placement for the fins. Need to do one for the dorsal, make the hip belt and hair piece, and reinforce my body form so I can start sculpting.

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[MermaidAstrid]

Looking good!! Love the long lines of your top too [emoji170][emoji170]


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[freyamaat]

Looking good!! Love the long lines of your top too [emoji170][emoji170]


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Thank you!!! I took it for it's first water test and it held up better than expected.

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[freyamaat]

Building an armature for the dorsal. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171010/38d276b2a32fddaa1c4cd7d0466784f5.jpg Waiting on plaster bandages to reinforce it.

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[PearlieMae]

Started playing with pattern placement for the fins. Need to do one for the dorsal, make the hip belt and hair piece, and reinforce my body form so I can start sculpting.

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I love your supervisor in the bottom of the photo. :D

[freyamaat]

I love your supervisor in the bottom of the photo. :D
Ha! Yeah. He and his brother are going to need their own credits by the time I get this done.

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[freyamaat]

Got my head dress done. Someone suggested I go as a mermaid for Halloween and who am I to argue.
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Also, gratuitous cleavage.


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[freyamaat]

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[freyamaat]

My wig came in!
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I started fiddling with a set of vambraces for Halloween and finally got around to assembling a base for my fluke so I could start sculpting. I've had to start cannibalizing chavant from other projects. Between this, my Ahsoka sculpt, and class projects I'm running out fast.
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[freyamaat]

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Got the first layer of clay down for my fluke.

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[freyamaat]

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[Mermaid Kane]

Keep going! You can do this!

[MermaidAstrid]

Looking good [emoji4]


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[freyamaat]

Thank you guys for the support and encouragement, it really helps.
Third pass is over half done, building up thickness, leveling it out, and cleaning up the ridges. I've run out of chavant again so now I have to wait until I can buy some more before I can finish the other half. Hopefully I can start cleaning the edges up and the shape, making sure it's symmetrical soon cause it's a little crooked, before adding in some detail.
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[freyamaat]

Does anyone know the average recommended thickness for a fluke? I found one for the scales but haven't come across one to go by when sculpting the fluke.

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[uwmerman]

Loving the tail and accessories freyamaat. I look forward to seeing the finished product :) looks amazing so far!!

[Mermaid_Izzy]

Does anyone know the average recommended thickness for a fluke? I found one for the scales but haven't come across one to go by when sculpting the fluke.

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I’m going to say that in places mine may have gotten 1/2 inch thick on the sculpt, but I am not sure if they are supposed to be that thick because I haven’t seen silicone tails up close in person.


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[freyamaat]

Loving the tail and accessories freyamaat. I look forward to seeing the finished product :) looks amazing so far!!Thank you! I'm anxious to get back and keep working on it.

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[Mermaid Clara]

Does anyone know the average recommended thickness for a fluke? I found one for the scales but haven't come across one to go by when sculpting the fluke.

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the thicker it is the heaver it will be and use more silicone. I recommend using a clay or pasta roller machine. you can roll out sheets of clay that are even thicknesses. I found mine at a Goodwill store for like $5 with out all the attachments but one with the attachments will be about $10-$15 at a second hand store. But its worth the investment.

[freyamaat]

the thicker it is the heaver it will be and use more silicone. I recommend using a clay or pasta roller machine. you can roll out sheets of clay that are even thicknesses. I found mine at a Goodwill store for like $5 with out all the attachments but one with the attachments will be about $10-$15 at a second hand store. But its worth the investment.Shite, yeah that's a good idea...

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[MermaidSolstice]

Did you finish it?

[freyamaat]

Did you finish it?Not yet. Finals hit and bow I'm having to wait on third or fourth semester to do fiberglass molds for both the body, the dorsal, and the fluke. And now I'm having to remake the body mold so I'm waiting on plaster bandages. And I'm going to need expanding foam.

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[freyamaat]

Got a couple of friends to help recast my legs and torso. Currently reinforcing it and we All g off the ankles. Then I need to get my hands on some expanding foam. 4290942910

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[freyamaat]

I'm probably doing this wrong but hey! I got one half of the hip fins sculpted and sprayed down so it should be ready for molding. Made a whisker and it will hopefully be all molded and ready to go soon. Need to get some keys on there and spray it with some mold release. 4291142912

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[Mermaid hannahML]

OMG It's all looking so amazing

[MermaidSolstice]

OMG! Its going to be so cool!

[freyamaat]

Thank you guys! I ended up scrapping the mold for the whiskers and I'll be starting over. It's just really messy and pretty much unusable. Also I fogot to mold in a hole for the pour spout. So we're just going to start over.

But! I got my first successful test pull of my mini scale mold! The first one didn't set up but I'm very pleased with how this run came out. I'll probably try to level out the back of the mold so it stops rocking and more evenly distributes the silicone later. The scales are not nearly as clean as I would like but neither is the mold. I'll probably mold up the small scale sheet again and try for a cleaner one later this week. For now this will do for paint tests.

Now I'm just waiting on a spray gun and mini silicone tests of my mica pigments to make sure none of them with prevent the silicone from curing. Full scale sheet is over half way done.43324

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[gay-mermaid]

im going to make whiskers for my tail as well, how do you plan on making them? im a bit stuck on this.

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[freyamaat]

im going to make whiskers for my tail as well, how do you plan on making them? im a bit stuck on this.

Sent from my Shell PhoneI'm still not sure...right now I'm playing with a two part stone mold that I can pour silicone into but I'm wondering if the cosplay method for making leeku would work too. I've seen many Ahsoka cosplayers take a length of cotton and roll it in a latex skin which might be cheaper and theoretically is still water safe.

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[freyamaat]

Lovely photos one of my friends took out at Ohiopyle over the weekend. I can't wait until the tail is done and the entire thing comes together. 433424334343344

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[Mermaid Lunette]

aw those are such great photos! you look lovely and I am excited to see the whole look together once the tail is done!

[Mermaid.Mikayla]

Everything looks great! I can't wait to see the final tail!

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[freyamaat]

Everything looks great! I can't wait to see the final tail!

Sent from my [device_name] using MerNetwork mobile appThank you!!! I'm excited to start playing with paint!

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[freyamaat]

aw those are such great photos! you look lovely and I am excited to see the whole look together once the tail is done!Thank you so much! I'm so glad you guys are excited too.

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[gay-mermaid]

i was thinking making an air-dry sculpt, then pour plaster over that, leaving the thicker end a bit exposed? that way it can easily be pulled out as long as you coat it in vaseline

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[freyamaat]

i was thinking making an air-dry sculpt, then pour plaster over that, leaving the thicker end a bit exposed? that way it can easily be pulled out as long as you coat it in vaseline

Sent from my Shell PhoneYeah that should totally work, especially if you leave the end open as the pour spout.

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[gay-mermaid]

Yeah that should totally work, especially if you leave the end open as the pour spout.

Sent from my [device_name] using MerNetwork mobile appi have a silicone release spray as well, so i shouldn't have to worry about that either

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[freyamaat]

i have a silicone release spray as well, so i shouldn't have to worry about that either

Sent from my Shell PhonePerfect! Let me know how it goes! Using a two part mold means I'll probably have seams so if that works better I'd love to know.

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[freyamaat]

Countertops are apparently for mold making. Don't tell my landlord. 4334943350

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[Mermaid.Mikayla]

Countertops are apparently for mold making. Don't tell my landlord. 4334943350

Sent from my [device_name] using MerNetwork mobile appYeah, when I was dishing out my silicone I completely ruined my container...so I had to throw it away. Make sure everything is covered as to not get anything on anything otherwise its a complete PAIN to clean up!

But other than that...

Your mold is looking great!! [emoji171]

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[freyamaat]

Yeah, when I was dishing out my silicone I completely ruined my container...so I had to throw it away. Make sure everything is covered as to not get anything on anything otherwise its a complete PAIN to clean up!

But other than that...

Your mold is looking great!! [emoji171]

Sent from my [device_name] using MerNetwork mobile appThank you! I should remind myself ronsnotch butcher paper...

Other than totally forgetting to put keys in it's much better than the first run. Apparently I forget how to mold when I try to do it at home.

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[freyamaat]

Thank you! I should remind myself ronsnotch butcher paper...

Other than totally forgetting to put keys in it's much better than the first run. Apparently I forget how to mold when I try to do it at home.

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Finished whisker mold! I had to drill keys into the bottom half before pouring the too. Here's hoping they work. 43357

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[Mermaid.Mikayla]

To snitch not ronsnotch wtf.

Finished whisker mold! I had to drill keys into the bottom half before pouring the too. Here's hoping they work. 43357

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[freyamaat]

Huu huu huu~ Hip fins are molded!!! On to the dorsal and ankle fins. Which I may sculpt differently. I'm not sure yet. It'd probably be easier to sculpt it as one piece and do a two part mold instead of this. I'll have to experiment.

The left fin half is cleaned and sealed and ready to mold. The right one I just pulled and still has a bit of chavant inside it. 43361

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[Mermaid.Mikayla]

Huu huu huu~ Hip fins are molded!!! On to the dorsal and ankle fins. Which I may sculpt differently. I'm not sure yet. It'd probably be easier to sculpt it as one piece and do a two part mold instead of this. I'll have to experiment.

The left fin half is cleaned and sealed and ready to mold. The right one I just pulled and still has a bit of chavant inside it. 43361

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[freyamaat]

Guys I feel like I'm legitimately finally making progress on this. I know I've been making progress before now but I'm finally getting to the point where I have pieces! It feels amazing.

Started sculpting the dorsal, I have more e6000 for the scale sheet, I did my first pull of the calf find and a whisker which turned out beautifully. My sprayer came in and now I'm just waiting on more silicone and a new needle/nozzle. I bent the needle of my airbrush in class so now I'll need a replacement of the .35 but I'm excited for the larger one to be coming in.

It's telling me upload failed so if you guys can see the attached photos let me know.

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[freyamaat]

Okay, well it keeps telling me I don't have permission to add photos??? But my dorsal is mostly sculpted and has spikes! I need to grab some shim so it'll be prepped for fiberglass molding on Monday and my whisker mold is setting up with it's first layer if brushed in silicone. I may try to get it filled in the morning before class.

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[shimmygoddess]

Okay, well it keeps telling me I don't have permission to add photos??? But my dorsal is mostly sculpted and has spikes! I need to grab some shim so it'll be prepped for fiberglass molding on Monday and my whisker mold is setting up with it's first layer if brushed in silicone. I may try to get it filled in the morning before class.

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Maybe the file size is too big? That happens sometimes. Maybe try resizing them smaller and see if that works. Can't wait to see

[freyamaat]

Gods it's been a hot second. But surprise! Not dead. Let's try that picture thing again shall we?

Aaaand nope. Jeez, I have no idea what's going on. I may try this when I'm not on mobile. But! I got the first half of the dorsal molded, have two whiskers now, "glued" the halves of my calf find together so now they're ready for paint, bought a new punch for scales and am all around ready to get back to work! Need to grab some silicone caulking when I'm not broke again.

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[freyamaat]

For anyone interested in photo progress the images may be found on my Instagram while I try to get this figured out: https://www.instagram.com/thenakednymph/

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[Sea~Phoenix Savannah]

Super cool, it looks great! Good luck on the rest, and I hope the pictures start to work here. Can't wait to see the finished tail!

[freyamaat]

Super cool, it looks great! Good luck on the rest, and I hope the pictures start to work here. Can't wait to see the finished tail!Thanks! Yeah me too. Silly thing.

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[Aodhamair]

I love seeing these sketches and your top is amazing!

[freyamaat]

Thank you! My sister came out and we slammed the entire tail together in a day for graduation. Photos can be found on hag_effects at Pinterest. I'm still having trouble with photos here. I'll try re-sizing them later. I can't wait to get home and finish the paint and reinforce my seams now that I know how.

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[freyamaat]

I love seeing these sketches and your top is amazing!Thank you! My sister came out and we slammed the entire tail together in a day for graduation. Photos can be found on hag_effects at Pinterest. I'm still having trouble with photos here. I'll try re-sizing them later. I can't wait to get home and finish the paint and reinforce my seams now that I know how.

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