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Spindrift
07-12-2012, 07:49 AM
As someone who has to travel around a lot, I thought this article was really interesting. It's very insightful, albeit a little chiding. Your thoughts? I recommend you to read it on the actual website, but for the lazy, I've re-posted the story here.

http://postmasculine.com/america
Written by: Mark Manson

Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him.
This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment.
I know that’s harsh, but I really feel my home country is not in a good place these days. That’s not a socio-economic statement (although that’s on the decline as well), but rather a cultural one.
I realize it’s going to be impossible to write sentences like the ones above without coming across as a raging prick, so let me try to soften the blow to my American readers with an analogy:
You know when you move out of your parents’ house and live on your own, how you start hanging out with your friends’ families and you realize that actually, your family was a little screwed up? Stuff you always assumed was normal your entire childhood, it turns out was pretty weird and may have actually fucked you up a little bit. You know, dad thinking it was funny to wear a Santa Claus hat in his underwear every Christmas or the fact that you and your sister slept in the same bed until you were 22, or that your mother routinely cried over a bottle of wine while listening to Elton John.
The point is we don’t really get perspective on what’s close to us until we spend time away from it. Just like you didn’t realize the weird quirks and nuances of your family until you left and spent time with others, the same is true for country and culture. You often don’t see what’s messed up about your country and culture until you step outside of it.
And so even though this article is going to come across as fairly scathing, I want my American readers to know: some of the stuff we do, some of the stuff that we always assumed was normal, it’s kind of screwed up. And that’s OK. Because that’s true with every culture. It’s just easier to spot it in others (i.e., the French) so we don’t always notice it in ourselves.
So as you read this article, know that I’m saying everything with tough love, the same tough love with which I’d sit down and lecture an alcoholic family member. It doesn’t mean I don’t love you. It doesn’t mean there aren’t some awesome things about you (BRO, THAT’S AWESOME!!!). And it doesn’t mean I’m some saint either, because god knows I’m pretty screwed up (I’m American, after all). There are just a few things you need to hear. And as a friend, I’m going to tell them to you.
And to my foreign readers, get your necks ready, because this is going to be a nod-a-thon.

A Little “What The Hell Does This Guy Know?” Background: I’ve lived in different parts of the US, both the deep south and the northeast. I have visited most of the US’s 50 states. I’ve spent the past three years living almost entirely outside of the United States. I’ve lived in multiple countries in Europe, Asia and South America. I’ve visited over 40 countries in all and have spent far more time with non-Americans than with Americans during this period. I speak multiple languages. I’m not a tourist. I don’t stay in resorts and rarely stay in hostels. I rent apartments and try to integrate myself into each country I visit as much as possible. So there.
(Note: I realize these are generalizations and I realize there are always exceptions. I get it. You don’t have to post 55 comments telling me that you and your best friend are exceptions. If you really get that offended from some guy’s blog post, you may want to double-check your life priorities.)
OK, we’re ready now. 10 things Americans don’t know about America.
1. Few People Are Impressed By Us

Unless you’re speaking with a real estate agent or a prostitute, chances are they’re not going to be excited that you’re American. It’s not some badge of honor we get to parade around. Yes, we had Steve Jobs and Thomas Edison, but unless you actually are Steve Jobs or Thomas Edison (which is unlikely) then most people around the world are simply not going to care. There are exceptions of course. And those exceptions are called English and Australian people. Whoopdie-fucking-doo.
As Americans, we’re brought up our entire lives being taught that we’re the best, we did everything first and that the rest of the world follows our lead. Not only is this not true, but people get irritated when you bring it to their country with you. So don’t.
2. Few People Hate Us

Despite the occasional eye-rolling, and complete inability to understand why anyone would vote for George W. Bush, people from other countries don’t hate us either. In fact — and I know this is a really sobering realization for us — most people in the world don’t really think about us or care about us. I know, that sounds absurd, especially with CNN and Fox News showing the same 20 angry Arab men on repeat for ten years straight. But unless we’re invading someone’s country or threatening to invade someone’s country (which is likely), then there’s a 99.99% chance they don’t care about us. Just like we rarely think about the people in Bolivia or Mongolia, most people don’t think about us much. They have jobs, kids, house payments — you know, those things called lives — to worry about. Kind of like us.
Americans tend to assume that the rest of the world either loves us or hates us (this is actually a good litmus test to tell if someone is conservative or liberal). The fact is, most people feel neither. Most people don’t think much about us.
Remember that immature girl in high school, who every little thing that happened to her meant that someone either hated her or was obsessed with her; who thought every teacher who ever gave her a bad grade was being totally unfair and everything good that happened to her was because of how amazing she was? Yeah, we’re that immature high school girl.
3. We Know Nothing About The Rest Of The World

For all of our talk about being global leaders and how everyone follows us, we don’t seem to know much about our supposed “followers.” Here were some brain-stumpers for me: the Vietnamese believe the Vietnam War was about China (not us), Hitler was primarily defeated by Russia (not us), Native Americans were wiped out by a plague (not us), and the American Revolution was “won” because the British cared more about beating France (not us). Notice a running theme here?
(Hint: It’s not all about us.)
We did not invent democracy. We didn’t even invent modern democracy. There were parliamentary systems in England and other parts of Europe over a hundred years before we created government. In a recent survey of young Americans (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/0502_060502_geography.html), 63% could not find Iraq on a map (despite being at war with them), and 54% did not know Sudan was a country in Africa. Yet, somehow we’re positive that everyone else looks up to us.
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4. We Are Poor At Expressing Gratitude And Affection

There’s a saying about English-speakers. We say “Go fuck yourself,” when we really mean “I like you,” and we say “I like you,” when we really mean “Go fuck yourself.”
Outside of getting shit-housed drunk and screaming “I LOVE YOU, MAN!”, open displays of affection in American culture are tepid and rare. Latin and some European cultures describe us as “cold” and “passionless” and for good reason. In our social lives we don’t say what we mean and we don’t mean what we say.
In our culture, appreciation and affection are implied rather than spoken outright. Two guy friends call each other names to reinforce their friendship; men and women tease and make fun of each other to imply interest. Feelings are almost never shared openly and freely. Consumer culture has cheapened our language of gratitude. Something like, “It’s so good to see you” is empty now because it’s expected and heard from everybody.
In dating, when I find a woman attractive, I almost always walk right up to her and tell her that a) I wanted to meet her, and b) she’s beautiful. In America, women usually get incredibly nervous and confused when I do this. They’ll make jokes to defuse the situation or sometimes ask me if I’m part of a TV show or something playing a prank. Even when they’re interested and go on dates with me, they get a bit disoriented when I’m so blunt with my interest. Whereas, in almost every other culture approaching women this way is met with a confident smile and a “Thank you.”
5. The Quality of Life For The Average American Is Not That Great

If you’re extremely talented or intelligent, the US is probably the best place in the world to live. The system is stacked heavily to allow people of talent and advantage to rise to the top quickly.
The problem with the US is that everyone thinks they are of talent and advantage. As John Steinbeck famously said, the problem with poor Americans is that “they don’t believe they’re poor, but rather temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” It’s this culture of self-delusion that allows America to continue to innovate and churn out new industry more than anyone else in the world. But this shared delusion also unfortunately keeps perpetuating large social inequalities and the quality of life for the average citizen lower than most other developed countries. It’s the price we pay to maintain our growth and economic dominance.
In my Guide to Wealth (http://postmasculine.com/wealth), I defined being wealthy as, “Having the freedom to maximize one’s life experiences.” In those terms, despite the average American having more material wealth than citizens of most other countries (more cars, bigger houses, nicer televisions), their overall quality of life suffers in my opinion. American people on average work more hours (http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/) with less vacation, spend more time (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Traffic/story?id=485098&page=1) commuting every day, and are saddled with over $10,000 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/11/news/economy/fed-family-net-worth/index.htm) of debt. That’s a lot of time spent working and buying crap and little time or disposable income for relationships, activities or new experiences.
6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us

In 2010, I got into a taxi in Bangkok to take me to a new six-story cineplex. It was accessible by metro, but I chose a taxi instead. On the seat in front of me was a sign with a wifi password. Wait, what? I asked the driver if he had wifi in his taxi. He flashed a huge smile. The squat Thai man, with his pidgin English, explained that he had installed it himself. He then turned on his new sound system and disco lights. His taxi instantly became a cheesy nightclub on wheels… with free wifi.
If there’s one constant in my travels over the past three years, it has been that almost every place I’ve visited (especially in Asia and South America) is much nicer and safer than I expected it to be. Singapore is pristine. Hong Kong makes Manhattan look like a suburb. My neighborhood in Colombia is nicer than the one I lived in in Boston (and cheaper).
As Americans, we have this naïve assumption that people all over the world are struggling and way behind us. They’re not. Sweden and South Korea have more advanced high speed internet networks. Japan has the most advanced trains and transportation systems. Norwegians make more money. The biggest and most advanced plane in the world is flown out of Singapore. The tallest buildings in the world are now in Dubai and Shanghai. Meanwhile, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
What’s so surprising about the world is how unsurprising most of it is. I spent a week with some local guys in Cambodia. You know what their biggest concerns were? Paying for school, getting to work on time, and what their friends were saying about them. In Brazil, people have debt problems, hate getting stuck in traffic and complain about their overbearing mothers. Every country thinks they have the worst drivers. Every country thinks their weather is unpredictable. The world becomes, err… predictable.
7. We’re Paranoid

Not only are we emotionally insecure as a culture, but I’ve come to realize how paranoid we are about our physical security. You don’t have to watch Fox News or CNN for more than 10 minutes to hear about how our drinking water is going to kill us, our neighbor is going to rape our children, some terrorist in Yemen is going to kill us because we didn’t torture him, Mexicans are going to kill us, or some virus from a bird is going to kill us. There’s a reason we have more guns than people.
In the US, security trumps everything, even liberty. We’re paranoid.
I’ve probably been to 10 countries now that friends and family back home told me explicitly not to go because someone was going to kill me, kidnap me, stab me, rob me, rape me, sell me into sex trade, give me HIV, or whatever else. None of that has happened. I’ve never been robbed and I’ve walked through some of the shittiest parts of Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe.
In fact, the experience has been the opposite. In countries like Russia, Colombia or Guatemala, people were so friendly it actually scared me. Some stranger in a bar would invite me to his house for a bar-b-que with his family, a random person on the street would offer to show me around and give me directions to a store I was trying to find. My American instincts were always that, “Wait, this guy is going to try to rob me or kill me,” but they never did. They were just insanely friendly.
8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention

I’ve noticed that the way we Americans communicate is usually designed to create a lot of attention and hype. Again, I think this is a product of our consumer culture: the belief that something isn’t worthwhile or important unless it’s perceived to be the best (BEST EVER!!!) or unless it gets a lot of attention (see: every reality-television show ever made).
This is why Americans have a peculiar habit of thinking everything is “totally awesome,” and even the most mundane activities were “the best thing ever!” It’s the unconscious drive we share for importance and significance, this unmentioned belief, socially beaten into us since birth that if we’re not the best at something, then we don’t matter.
We’re status-obsessed. Our culture is built around achievement, production and being exceptional. Therefore comparing ourselves and attempting to out-do one another has infiltrated our social relationships as well. Who can slam the most beers first? Who can get reservations at the best restaurant? Who knows the promoter to the club? Who dated a girl on the cheerleading squad? Socializing becomes objectified and turned into a competition. And if you’re not winning, the implication is that you are not important and no one will like you.
9. We Are Very UnhealthyUnless you have cancer or something equally dire, the health care system in the US sucks. The World Health Organization ranked the US 37th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_system s) in the world for health care, despite the fact that we spend the most per capita by a large margin.
The hospitals are nicer in Asia (with European-educated doctors and nurses) and cost a tenth as much. Something as routine as a vaccination costs multiple hundreds of dollars in the US and less than $10 in Colombia. And before you make fun of Colombian hospitals, Colombia is 28th in the world on that WHO list, nine spots higher than us.
A routine STD test (http://postmasculine.com/std-guide) that can run you over $200 in the US is free in many countries to anyone, citizen or not. My health insurance the past year? $65 a month. Why? Because I live outside of the US. An American guy I met living in Buenos Aires got knee surgery on his ACL that would have cost $10,000 in the US… for free.
But this isn’t really getting into the real problems of our health. Our food is killing us. I’m not going to go crazy with the details, but we eat chemically-laced crap because it’s cheaper and tastes better (profit, profit). Our portion sizes are absurd (more profit). And we’re by far the most prescribed nation in the world AND our drugs cost five to ten times more than they do even in Canada (ohhhhhhh, profit, you sexy bitch).
In terms of life expectancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy), despite being the richest country in the world, we come in a paltry 38th. Right behind Cuba, Malta and the United Arab Emirates, and slightly ahead of Slovenia, Kuwait and Uruguay. Enjoy your Big Mac.


10. We Mistake Comfort For Happiness

The United States is a country built on the exaltation of economic growth and personal ingenuity. Small businesses and constant growth are celebrated and supported above all else — above affordable health care, above respectable education, above everything. Americans believe it’s your responsibility to take care of yourself and make something of yourself, not the state’s, not your community’s, not even your friend’s or family’s in some instances.
Comfort sells easier than happiness. Comfort is easy. It requires no effort and no work. Happiness takes effort. It requires being proactive (http://postmasculine.com/happiness), confronting fears, facing difficult situations, and having unpleasant conversations.
Comfort equals sales. We’ve been sold comfort for generations and for generations we bought: bigger houses, separated further and further out into the suburbs; bigger TV’s, more movies, and take-out. The American public is becoming docile and complacent. We’re obese and entitled. When we travel, we look for giant hotels that will insulate us and pamper us rather than for legitimate cultural experiences that may challenge our perspectives or help us grow as individuals.
Depression and anxiety disorders are soaring within the US. Our inability to confront anything unpleasant around us has not only created a national sense of entitlement, but it’s disconnected us from what actually drives happiness: relationships, unique experiences, feeling self-validated, achieving personal goals. It’s easier to watch a NASCAR race on television and tweet about it than to actually get out and try something new with a friend.
Unfortunately, a by-product of our massive commercial success is that we’re able to avoid the necessary emotional struggles of life in lieu of easy superficial pleasures.
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Throughout history, every dominant civilization eventually collapsed because it became TOO successful. What made it powerful and unique grows out of proportion and consumes its society. I think this is true for American society. We’re complacent, entitled and unhealthy. My generation is the first generation of Americans who will be worse off than their parents, economically, physically and emotionally. And this is not due to a lack of resources, to a lack of education or to a lack of ingenuity. It’s corruption and complacency. The corruption from the massive industries that control our government’s policies, and the fat complacency of the people to sit around and let it happen.
There are things I love about my country. I don’t hate the US and I still return to it a few times a year. But I think the greatest flaw of American culture is our blind self-absorption. In the past it only hurt other countries. But now it’s starting to hurt ourselves.
So this is my lecture to my alcoholic brother — my own flavor of arrogance and self-absorption, even if slightly more informed — in hopes he’ll give up his wayward ways. I imagine it’ll fall on deaf ears, but it’s the most I can do for now. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some funny cat pictures to look at.

malinghi
07-12-2012, 06:50 PM
Eh... Its good in concept, but despite the writer's best efforts not to come off as preachy or condescending I really didn't care for it. The whole thing hinges on some major generalizations, both with respect to what all Americans are like, and what all foreigners are like. And pretty much all of it is incredibly subjective and relative.

In addition to the fact that most of his claims are either obvious or dubious, I also have to say that I can't take any article written in list form seriously. Does he want to be featured on Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/), or Arts and Letters Daily (http://www.aldaily.com/)?

Spindrift
07-12-2012, 07:47 PM
Thanks for your input, Malinghi!

Yeah I usually try to stay from generalizations - even when speaking I try not to say "everyone, ever" or "no one in the entire world". I definitely think it's a very different way from how most Americans view travel though, and that's why it's so interesting. I've had fleeting thoughts on the topic before but could never put it together into words as clear as in the article, but the only personal excerpt that I have to "validate" what the article is saying are just my own observations of what people that I know have traveled a lot say and what people that I know haven't traveled very much say. They look for different things and they also tend to talk about different kinds of experiences. Maybe that is something that is more related to the kind of people they are though.

When I was in Australia some other kids from Hawaii and I (in addition to one Floridian) wanted to use our day off to check out Fraser Island, a World Heritage Site. The bus that took us there left at 5 in the morning. We were there with some mainland kids and some of them decided to join us "nerds". The night before the mainland kids took full advantage of the difference in the legal age of drinking between America and Australia and at 5 am the next morning a bunch of very rowdy and drunk American children joined the tour group. One girl in particular was slurring to the other bus passengers (locals trying to take advantage of the weekend) that because she was American she was entitled to everything, and that she was "DRUNK BABY". It was so embarrassing. They proceeded to yell out the window for the next 2 hours (the bus ride) about how Awesome (with a capital A) America is. The sad thing is, they were also like that when they weren't drunk.

Joy&RaptorsUnrestrained!
07-12-2012, 07:47 PM
Also, who doesn't mistake comfort for happiness? I have relatives in Italy, friends in Sweden/Denmark, an exchange family in France, and acquaintances in the Netherlands who have invited me into their lives and homes, and comforts are a big thing everywhere. It takes growth as a human to distinguish personal happiness from comfort, not heritage.

Gratitude and Affection likewise differ broadly in different places and cultures and subcultures, and there isn't really a "better" or "worse" way of expressing either. Each is a supremely personal interaction between two (or more) people, and each has thousands of ways of being expressed. My high school history teacher told me that the Vietnamese have a tradition where saying "Thank you" is so pathetic an attempt at showing gratitude that it borders on the insulting, and where the tradition of the "Thanker" kneeling before the "Thankee"for several minutes while the Thankee goes about whatever business he is up to shows a measurement of respect and the sacrifice of time (and possibly knee pain) in gratitude for whatever the Thankee did. My friends and cousins in Italy do kiss on both cheeks often, but that doesn't make it more meaningful than a one-armed bro hug or mutual giddy fangirl squealing between friends, or the cheek kisses a lot of my GLBT friends exchange in greeting.

I'm also unconvinced the "Status-Obsessed" section is fair (status is hugely important in a variety of other cultures... look at Japan's detailed titles of respect and age and experience for everyone), or that the Knowledge of the World part is accurate, either, considering that for every person who doesn't think of life outside their hometown, there others who carry on traditions, regularly visit different parts of the world, and are obsessed by a particular country or culture or history.

malinghi
07-12-2012, 08:56 PM
Obama once said something that I thought was especially clever on the subject of America and its place in the world. It was in response to a question by a reporter in 2009 as to if he believed in American Exceptionalism. For anyone who isn't familiar with the term, its a popular idea in many conservative circles that theorizes that America is fundamentally different from and better than other countries, and as such is not expected to to abide by the same set of rules as everyone else. When asked if he believed in it, President Obama replied "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

merboy78xy
07-13-2012, 12:02 AM
WOw... quite a subject! I see both sides. I've lived in many places and traveled a fair deal in my life (from Canada to Japan, Malaysia, Australia, Europe, etc...). I've seen Americans act similarly to the bus group Spindrift mentioned (horrific to witness), but I've also seen that type of behavior from other countries as well.
It's interesting, that perhaps a proof to the subject of us believing we are "the best" (speaking as American) is that even a lot of non-american-fanatics believe that this behavior is only an american trait because we are "different" and "unique" somehow.
I dislike uber-nationalist-pride in general when I see it. It frustrates me as badly as a prosthelytizer from any religion touting that their god is the best! But just as the "stereotypical american behavior" is annoying, I Likewise get very frustrated when a friend/acquaintance from another culture/country starts to put my country down. I may believe that there are some serious flaws and issues that exist in my country (such as education and health care), but I don't need someone from another country harping on MY country's issues. We ALL HAVE FAULTS AND ISSUES. There is good and bad in every culture. Things that are wonderful: Food, music, customs, technologies, etc. etc. and things that are (TO ME-- I don't represent all americans) strange and "bad"... things like arranged marriage. Female circumcision. Totalitarianism. Certain laws and belief systems... Now ask a person from that culture if they think it is a "bad" thing... You may get a VERY different answer.

Spindrift
07-13-2012, 07:23 AM
I remember that Obama quote! I thought it was a cute answer. I just don't agree with being blinded by patriotism, like how merboy78xy says. When Japan got hit by that tsunami there was a huge wave of American people on Facebook who had things like "payback for Pearl Harbor, bitches!" as their statuses - it made the news and was "a pretty big deal on the Internet". That kind of thing makes me a little ashamed to be an American. Or when it was announced that Osama bin Laden was dead for sure and everyone took the streets drunk, chanting "America! America!". Yeah, I get that he was Public Enemy #1, but we're doing the same thing they did - we're celebrating people dying. You don't have to mourn him, but it's a little sick to celebrate it (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/is-it-morally-right-to-celebrate-bin-ladens-death/). But the article I posted isn't supposed to be about patriotism, so...

In any case, I do find the article relevant. I also recognize some of the negative traits in me (hopefully not there anymore, or going away), especially from when I was younger (bragging about who you know, etc). I'm still trying to get past that, even now. And whether or not other countries face the same problems or making the connection between comfort/happiness might be a valid point, but I don't think it is ideal to just go, "Oh, you!" about it.

What about points 5 and 6? Thoughts on that?

Spindrift
07-13-2012, 08:11 AM
Lol this showed up on my fb newsfeed today:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/486594_10150908751066404_327298711_n.jpg