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Lyna
07-18-2012, 03:42 PM
Will any place you rent tanks allow you to do this? Or am I going to have to buy one of my own. I'm sure it will look absolutely ridiculous being a mermaid in need of scuba gear....but call me crazy, I think it would be the most epic feeling in the world to don my tail and go swim around underwater without having to surface...for lengths at a time just exploring. Has anyone else done this?

Drowning
07-18-2012, 04:06 PM
I'd love to try it!

Mermaid Saphira
07-18-2012, 04:09 PM
I don't think it would look ridiculous. OtterBay wetsuits makes scuba suits that look like mermaid tails :)

malinghi
07-18-2012, 04:21 PM
I'm going to buy SCUBA gear after I move to LA, and you better believe I'm going diving in a tail.

Joy&RaptorsUnrestrained!
07-18-2012, 05:48 PM
It would be an awesome feeling... might be cool to arrange a group dive with several other SCUBA-certified merfolk

malinghi
07-18-2012, 06:04 PM
Well, not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think it will be that great. Have you been scuba diving? You can't move very quickly or gracefully. The cool part about SCUBA diving is being able to look around, not the sensation of movement, which even with a tail will be clumsy. Then again, I'm not that experienced. Maybe other divers can swim better.

Lyna
07-18-2012, 07:45 PM
i just want a small tank. maybe 10-20 minutes. something light and portable. enough to be able to be under and feel like a real mermaid who isn't restricted near the surface.
i've not been scuba diving yet, but we just found 2 shops here, one that sells, and one that sells, trains, dives, the works. we're going to call and find out pricing options on everything.

Spindrift
07-18-2012, 08:00 PM
I thought we had a discussion about this in another thread? Maybe it was on mer.yuku. People didn't think the idea would work though, because the tank would get in the way of swimming with a monofin, or some reason like that. Older people kept on insisting it was too dangerous to try.

Joy&RaptorsUnrestrained!
07-18-2012, 10:11 PM
Well, not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think it will be that great. Have you been scuba diving? You can't move very quickly or gracefully. The cool part about SCUBA diving is being able to look around, not the sensation of movement, which even with a tail will be clumsy. Then again, I'm not that experienced. Maybe other divers can swim better.

Really malinghi? I might not be licensed (again, not for lack of trying) but I have gone on a number of dives, both as part of resort crash courses with guided trips and as part of my training and certification. I found the freedom of movement while SCUBA diving to be exciting and ecstatic (I don't THINK I got rapture of the deep my first time, but I was attempting to build sand castles on the ocean floor while surrounded by a reef and watching the sand drift away, so maybe), and I didn't notice any movement limits besides the fact that one has a tank on your back (so maybe tails with dorsal fins shouldn't consider diving with them). I didn't notice anything that fouled the movement of my legs in any sense, and with the lightness of the water, it was possible to dolphin kick fairly easily. Tanks might make that undulating full-body swimming style popular among mers more difficult, what with the difficulty moving your torso, but with a decent monofin or pair of flippers, it shouldn't impact your speed very much. Also, not having to surface or swim near a source of air does expand one's swimming range and options substantially.

Drowning
07-18-2012, 10:39 PM
I may only be a novice diver, but I think I see the potential misunderstanding. Using standard 80 cu ft tank could be bulky, as it will be the length of your back. Something smaller, a"pony" tank nornally used as a backup for deep dives will be sufficient for shallow depths, allowing some decent bottom time with less bulk. Anyone in FL who wants to try, just let me know.

spottedcatfish
07-19-2012, 03:34 AM
I'm going to buy SCUBA gear after I move to LA, and you better believe I'm going diving in a tail.

If you do... You'd better post pictures!

Drowning
07-19-2012, 01:23 PM
Here are two good possibilities:

Spare Air

4479

This is used as a small emergency bottle to get an out of air scuba diver to the surface. In a pool, it would last long enough to fulfill some Merfantasies. NB: You must be scuba certified to even purchase one of these, let alone get it filled (which could be done from a scuba tank).

Pony Tank

4480

"Pony" tanks are often used as a larger emergency air source for a deep dive. A small tank like this (perhaps a smaller one) could be strapped across the small of your back (horizontally), as well.

So, what do you think..? This diver is willing to experiment! :D

Lyna
07-19-2012, 05:09 PM
yes!!! the second one is exactly what i had in mind! but the first ones i have NEVER seen and would kill to get my hands on one! too bad i'm not certified to buy one....can the second one be purchased? how many minutes would either give before needing a refill? i'm seriously happy with 10 minutes...i just want to freedom of feeling like i have gills....you know...without actuall gill surgery out yet. cuz i'd so be lining up for that. i'm not concerned for speed. just the not having to surface part. i would sit in a chair in the bottom of the pool (worst case scenario) for all i care, so long as i can stay under feeling mermaidy. but if you have details on these 2 designs...please please please tell me more!

Drowning
07-19-2012, 08:29 PM
yes!!! the second one is exactly what i had in mind! but the first ones i have NEVER seen and would kill to get my hands on one! too bad i'm not certified to buy one....can the second one be purchased? how many minutes would either give before needing a refill? i'm seriously happy with 10 minutes...i just want to freedom of feeling like i have gills....you know...without actuall gill surgery out yet. cuz i'd so be lining up for that. i'm not concerned for speed. just the not having to surface part. i would sit in a chair in the bottom of the pool (worst case scenario) for all i care, so long as i can stay under feeling mermaidy. but if you have details on these 2 designs...please please please tell me more!

You do need a certification card to buy either of these. I can get them, and plan to. I would be happy to help some Mers try them, in a private pool, undre controlled conditions. Message me if you(or any other Mers!) would like to learn more.

I'll post a bit more next chance I get....

Lyna
07-19-2012, 09:14 PM
mm... I live in upstate NY but will be relocating to Texas shortly. Message me some details maybe I can take a trip your way at some point.

Gem Stone
08-03-2012, 01:22 PM
I wanna get the small bottle shaped one! Looks awesome for an extra breath or two!

Drowning
08-03-2012, 01:25 PM
I wanna get the small bottle shaped one! Looks awesome for an extra breath or two!

In a pool, you can have some merfun on the bottom for a while.

Capt Nemo
08-04-2012, 11:29 PM
Pony bottles wouldn't last that long. Spare air would also burn out even quicker. They say a 13 cuft pony is supposed to last 30 minutes for childrens SASY rigs, but in reality, 15 is normal. 63 cuft cylinders would be a better choice. Also most backpacks won't fit pony bottles due to their reduced diameters. Most are made for diameters of 6" on up.

Drowning
08-06-2012, 02:46 PM
How about this? It starts at 00:28...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QU5QgRlA4Q&list=UULZfhecjUy0fgyM3qo9sSFQ&index=5&feature=plcp

Capt Nemo
08-09-2012, 11:47 PM
That's about a 40-50 cu/ft cylinder. 63's are easier to find and fit with no mods! They also would give most women about an hour of bottom time.

spottedcatfish
08-29-2012, 02:51 AM
Here are two good possibilities:

Spare Air

4479

This is used as a small emergency bottle to get an out of air scuba diver to the surface. In a pool, it would last long enough to fulfill some Merfantasies. NB: You must be scuba certified to even purchase one of these, let alone get it filled (which could be done from a scuba tank).


Well I'm not certified (yet!) but I was curious too as to where you would get one of these little bottles from. Here are two sites that sell them:

http://www.h2odyssey.com/dive/pages/productpages/airsyst.htm

http://www.spareair.com/product/models.html

Drowning
09-05-2012, 05:07 PM
You can get them at many dive shops, or a good online retailer like www.leisurepro.com (http://www.leisurepro.com) or www.diversdirect.com (http://www.diversdirect.com)

Just be sure to get ceritified first! :)


Well I'm not certified (yet!) but I was curious too as to where you would get one of these little bottles from. Here are two sites that sell them:

http://www.h2odyssey.com/dive/pages/productpages/airsyst.htm

http://www.spareair.com/product/models.html

Drowning
09-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Taking on some new work, which will bring lots more money for scuba gear (and one of those sexy shell weight belts!) for me and Florida merfolk who would like to try breathing underwater! :yay:

Long hours means it might be hard to find a time for a while :(, but it will happen...

AptaMer
12-31-2012, 12:48 PM
I think it would be the most epic feeling in the world to don my tail and go swim around underwater without having to surface...for lengths at a time just exploring. Has anyone else done this?

Lots of people have, Lyna. The Otter Bay mermaid wetsuit has been very popular, and I have talked with some who have done it. They say it's incredible, and you can actually swim faster than ordinary scuba divers. This might be one reason for me to do scuba diving again :) Have to think about it.

Otter Bay Wetsuits has a page on how to dive as a mermaid. They also say you should be an experienced diver before doing it. http://www.otterbaysuits.com/howtodive.htm

Here's a video of someone scuba diving as a mermaid


http://youtu.be/F2Wzt9m1Zgg

MerAnthony
01-03-2013, 09:09 AM
I would love to do this but to get ceritified it cost way to much for me. I guess I will have to wait.

Mermaid Danielle
01-09-2013, 11:22 PM
I'm in the same boat as MerAnthony. I'd love to be certified someday though...

Mermaid Melanie
01-12-2013, 03:38 PM
As a PADI instructor I would advise anyone to get certified before even contemplating this as there are specific safety points you must know about such as mixing freediving with scuba is not recommended ... you cant just shoot to the surface when you feel like it. in a pool sure its maybe not so deep but you can still get diving injuries in very shallow water. As for the movement thing.... with scuba you are supposed to go slowly, not exert yourself... if you go fast and especially using dolphin kick you are using a lot of your muscles and energy. Doing this can make you short of breath, and also makes you use your air faster. I have thought of doing a dive in my tail - but conditions would have to be favourable - no current, no surface waves, good visibility, shallow bay area and of course for something like this if you don't do it from a dive boat - make sure and have at least a rescue diver with you who should know what to do in the event of an emergency and have a first aid kit at hand.

Odette
07-05-2013, 03:14 PM
12317 It's fun! i played around with it. got some cool pics taken of me that day. you can't do it in open water, but for the pool i took off my BC and held it with my arm, and took the regulator out while blowing bubbles.I got to stay down longer and get some fun shots of a scuba mermaid.i also let go of the whole unit and swam around it and did flips down there then returned to the regulator for a few breaths.Don't you dare try that in open water.I'll write a whole thread about playing with scuba as a mermaid.I learned a lot and asked questions to a bunch of dive masters.

green52
07-23-2013, 12:24 AM
Pretty cool. Where did you do it?

Gem Stone
07-23-2013, 09:22 PM
ok, i am a certified diver and i would only do this with a buddy in under thirty feet of water with a spare air (the little bottle thing), would this still be a bad idea in a tail? i wouldn't be swimming in water with a current, or have the possibility of anything grabbing my tail. completely clear water, bottom is at thirty, and i would have a buddy. comments?

angelstarfish
07-24-2013, 11:27 PM
im interested, but I live near San Diego, CA...

Kumori Kitsune
07-31-2013, 09:59 PM
would be a kool thing to do for a photo shoot

Odette
08-14-2013, 08:20 PM
Pretty cool. Where did you do it?
a community pool in Tucson. 15ft deep.

Odette
08-14-2013, 08:32 PM
ok, i am a certified diver and i would only do this with a buddy in under thirty feet of water with a spare air (the little bottle thing), would this still be a bad idea in a tail? i wouldn't be swimming in water with a current, or have the possibility of anything grabbing my tail. completely clear water, bottom is at thirty, and i would have a buddy. comments?
i would say thats not a good idea.I don't know alot about the spair air but i believe it works just like your regulator does.The deeper you go, the more air your lungs are taken in to compensate for the pressure. so if your'e 30ft and you breathe with only that you run out of air so you are holding your breath now, you are now at risk for many common injuries that you learned when getting certified. your buddy diver like melanie said needs to have taken the rescue diver course.if your'e not wearing a mask, communicating with your buddy and finding the other regulator will be difficult. you could panic like i did at one point and when you panic, you shoot for the surface.Its extremely dangerous.don't do it.Free diving is better.

Mahi Mermaid
08-14-2013, 10:56 PM
you can do it wearing all your gear, the bc, mask, tank, everything. The only difference is instead of fins, you use your tail. I did this last year in the FL Keys, the tour company didn't even say anything to me. The people I went with kind of laughed, but no one made a big deal of it. They followed me underwater because they said it was cool to watch me. I swim better with the monofin (in my tail) than with two fins anyways. I did have a problem on one of my dives though, the air bubbles from both myself and my partner (who at one time was below me) were getting caught in my tail and causing a "balloon like" reaction, my tail was filling up with air and i couldn't get myself to sink...so be careful. luckily i was only 25 ft or so so it wasn't as dangerous as say a 60 ft dive, but it was bad. i was shooting to the top. my partner was searching for me and had no idea i was right above him floating quickly to the surface...so be CAREFUL. wear a belt, keep your waist from getting any air in it...

Mahi Mermaid
08-14-2013, 10:58 PM
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Capt Nemo
08-18-2013, 12:36 AM
Vent your tail with a small hole/s to let any trapped air out! Your tail problem is similar to what can happen to a drysuit when air gets into the legs. There's usually no vent there, and the diver can go up feet first. One drysuit manufacturer also mounts leg vents to dump the air if the bubble goes to the legs. I've been thru a uncontrolled ascent due to a leaky drysuit inflator. 99 ft to 10 ft in less than a minute! That's even scarrier when you're on the edge of deco.


I wish this "spare air" crap would stop! Listen to the instructors/old divers on this forum!!!!

Seatan
09-23-2013, 05:14 PM
ok, i am a certified diver and i would only do this with a buddy in under thirty feet of water with a spare air (the little bottle thing), would this still be a bad idea in a tail? i wouldn't be swimming in water with a current, or have the possibility of anything grabbing my tail. completely clear water, bottom is at thirty, and i would have a buddy. comments?

The biggest change in pressure is between the surface and 33 feet (or 10 m). The air in your lungs is compressed 50% during the descent to 33 feet. So you have HALF as much air available to you in your tank as when you are on the surface. Go down another 33 ft (to 20m) and you have 1/3 a tank... Not nearly as big a pressure change! So the biggest pressure change is 33 ft/10 m. Being in "only" 30 feet of water is actually a misnomer as it affects the air in your tank (and lungs!) the most. This means that you MUST ascend slowly letting out air (as my dive instructor said "don't outswim your bubbles") or the rapidly expanding air in your lungs can cause them to rupture. You won't be able to swim around, flipping and surfacing like a mer due to this. Freedivers start with a breath of air on the surface which compresses as they go down and expands back to normal size as they go up, so it isn't an issue for them. Also, depending on how long you are down, if you stay down too long and ascend too quickly then you could get decompression sickness from the nitrogen built up in your body, a serious medical condition.

Also, don't forget that your buddy is not just there for you--YOU are there for your buddy. If THEY are the ones who run out of air or have an issue, you have to be the one to offer your secondary regulator and swim with them to the surface, holding on to them at arm's length. It is critical times like this that ANY effect of having a tail versus having two legs has will be most obvious. Can you guarantee that you will be as capable of free movement and mobility in a tail as you would with two legs? If the answer is yes and you are also a very advanced diver, then maybe you could try it. But if the answer causes any hesitation, then it is not fair to your BUDDY for you to dive in a tail.

If you do want to use a SCUBA in your tail, I would suggest doing so in a pool no more than fifteen feet deep and with a buddy. Even at fifteen feet you will need to regularly equalize your ears and make sure your movements are slow and steady so that you keep breathing evenly off your regulator. If you plan to stay underwater even in a pool and not come up, don't forgo calculating your dive length on the dive chart, because diving in a pool is STILL diving and if you stay down too long, you can have the exact same problems as if you dove deep in the ocean (nitrogen buildup!). The only difference is that the amount of time you can stay down at, say, 30 feet is much, much longer than if you went down to 100 feet. But time can fly, especially when playing mermaid! Also don't forget to check your air, not only because running out of air is VERY disturbing, but also because it is bad for the tank.

Overall, I'd say diving with a mermaid tail is best left to people who have earned a master's level scuba certification from PADI or a similar organization. Once you are at that level, you understand ALL the risks, you know what to do to prevent them, you will know how to help your buddy despite your tail, and you will know whether it is a risk you really want to take. Diving can be very safe or very dangerous, and as fun as it would be to scuba as a mermaid, I don't think it would be worth the risk.

One alternative would be to shallow water SCUBA dive with a monofin instead of dual fins. That way if your buddy has an issue then you can kick your monofin off if need be and help them to the surface. Since it's shallow water, having no fins shouldn't hinder you much as long as you stay close to your buddy. I myself do the dolphin kick instead of scissor kick when scuba diving, but I do it with my dual fins. It's not much different.

Okay, that was long winded and sounded like a lecture from an old person, but I didn't mean it like that. I just know how even moderately experienced divers can panic during bad situations and I think having a tail on would make it very unsafe for diver AND buddy.

johnleeex
05-23-2020, 04:49 PM
Right on - 63 cft tanks are perfect for mermaid scuba diving. Although, here is a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jiFYmxmk10
showing two mermaids scuba diving with what looks like 80 cft tanks and it is very elegant, not to say sexy :-)

johnleeex
05-23-2020, 04:57 PM
I came across this thread now (2020), and your vision of Scuba diving with a tail is very doable. See a long (1 hour) video of two mermaids diving with Scuba gear, going very deep, in fact. They are wearing Otterbay suits. Did you ever start Scuba diving after moving to LA, as you mentioned in this 2012 post?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jiFYmxmk10

johnleeex
05-23-2020, 05:00 PM
Does not look ridiculous at all! See a long (1 hour) video of two mermaids diving with Scuba gear, going very deep, in fact. They are wearing Otterbay suits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jiFYmxmk10

(sorry, didn't see your post only now, 8 years after you posted! Did you ever go Scuba diving?