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Winged Mermaid
09-07-2012, 07:16 PM
TAIL CARE AND MAINTENANCE


Take care of your tail, and you can prolong it's life to give you years of joyful swimming! Neglect care and it can break down faster than you'd like. Here are some tricks and tips on tail care and maintenance to keep your tail working and looking great for many swims to come!


General Tips

•When you put on your mermaid tail, always pull gently as you can from the top and bottom pieces of the tail, not the seams. Seams can break and even tear if pulled roughly over time. This is especially true for fabric and neoprene tails, but not much of a concern for silicone or latex tails.

•When you are putting on your mermaid tail, always always put it on on a soft/protective surface. A yoga matt is preferable. A large piece of spongy foam (like camping foam) is a good option. A towel will even do! Abrasive surfaces like pool side concrete will damage the tail.

•The heel area on a mermaid tail is one of the most delicate parts on the entire suit. The second would be the knee area. Therefore you should avoid putting stress on these parts if at all possible. These areas are usually the first to wear and even get damage such as tearing. Do not hop or jump around in you tail, on land or in the water. Try to avoid putting your fluke down and standing on your monofin at all. Instead hover and float in the water- use a floatation device such as a pool noodle if necessary. Avoid “perching” on your knees in or out of water if possible. If you must scoot, be very careful to put as little weight on the heels as possible. Instead of scooting, lift your heels, extend them, set them down, then use your upper body to lift and then set down your buttox (putting as little weight as possible on the heels). When you are swimming, try and keep your tail away from the pool bottom or walls. The abrasive material can snag, scrape, and generally damage your tail.

•Never use or submerge your neoprene or partial tail (with neoprene/prin lining) in hot water. That means no hot tubs!


Lubrication

Some tails can be difficult to get on, especially partial silicone and full silicone tails, as they're meant to fit very snugly. Normally neoprene tails are put on better dry.

Here are some popular lubrications for putting on tails:

water based personal lubricant
cheap hair conditioner (such as VO5)
Suit Slip (http://www.makospearguns.com/product-p/msuitslip.htm)
coconut oil*
hypoallergenic lotion
aloe

*Please be aware that some have found that using coconut oil as a tail lubricant can cause mold to grow the tail.
If you're using any kind of hair conditioner or lotion, make sure it is eco friendly if you are swimming in the ocean, lakes, or rivers!

Please note that a silicone based lube on a silicone tail will result in the silicone compounds melting each other- never use a silicone based lubricant on a silicone tail. Just the same, never use a petroleum based lubricant on latex or neoprene! It will damage the latex or neoprene beyond repair.

Using a lubrication alone is often not enough, but adding a bit of water makes a world of difference! Putting your lube on then misting your skin with plain water from a spray bottle (or vice versa) will help immensely in getting on a tight tail. You could also step in the water up to your waist before applying your lubrication of choice, or mix it in a spray bottle with water and spray that on. Please be aware that if you mix a lubricant with water, it no longer has the amount of preservatives necessary to keep bacteria from multiplying and mold from growing. Thus, it should only be used for a few weeks before it is discarded.

While some claim all of those options are also safe on full silicone tails, I would recommend you use water-based lubricant. You can buy water based lube at most pharmacies, but they have a wider (and often cheaper) range at adult stores. You can also purchase it online if buying in a store makes you uneasy.

The cheapest water-based lubricant you can get is J-Lube (http://www.amazon.com/Jorvet-J0109-J-Lube-Obstetrics-10-Ounce/dp/B006G2S17A). It's a powder that you mix with water to create the lubrication- which also means you can control the constancy of whatever you mix, and can do it in small or big batches. One 10oz bottle of J-Lube makes 6-8 GALLONS of lubrication (and it costs as much as a 8oz bottle of adult water based lube). Take care to swatch test on your skin before using. J-Lube was made to be used as an obstetrical lubricant. It should not irritate your skin, but it never hurts to check- manufacturers claim it's "completely inert and non-irritating". Because it has no preservatives, once mixed it only has a shelf life of 1-2 weeks, so keep that in mind when deciding how much to mix at one time.

For more information on putting on different types of tails, see this thread (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?5869-The-official-HOW-TO-PUT-ON-YOUR-MERMAID-TAIL-thread).


Cleaning

Every mermaid tail, no matter what it's made of, should be rinsed with cold/cool fresh water, inside and out, as soon as possible after each use. Avoid warm or hot water for neoprene, as this can do damage to the material. You can rinse your tail with a garden hose, a shower hose, or a tub faucet, etc. After you are finished rinsing your tail hang it up to dry as soon as possible. DON'T WAIT until tomorrow- rinse and dry your tail ASAP!

Neutralizing chlorine is a very important step in tail and accessory care when you swim in pools. Chlorine is harsh on everything. There is a whole thread dedicated to dealing with chlorine's negative effects. (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?4402-How-to-deal-with-chlorine-s-negative-effects) It is recommended that you not only rinse your tail afterwards, but if at all possible take steps to neutralize chlorine as RINSING IS NOT ENOUGH to protect your tail from it's damaging effects. If you do so or not is up to you, just keep this in mind as a factor in the longevity of your tail.

A cheap and easy way to help with this is to give your tail a baking soda rinse or soak. Chlorine is acidic, so it makes sense that to neutralize this a base such as baking soda would be effective. Some members vouch for this method in increasing longevity of their tails. This method should be used immediately after (within 24 hours) swimming in chlorinated water. For a rinse you can fill a bucket or other container with water and mix in baking soda, then pour it over/in your tail- then rinse with fresh water. For a soak, you can fill a container (many use their tub for tails that are large and can't be folded, for fabric tails a bucket may work fine) with water and stir in baking soda then place your tail in the water making sure to cover as much of it as possible. You may want to use something as a weight to keep the material of the tail fully submerged.

Some use also place their accessories, swim wear, and other equipment in the bath along with the tail to care for those items as well. How long you leave it is up to you- most do either a few hours or let it soak over night. The ratio of baking soda to water hasn't been established- most just use their best judgment. However baking soda is a very benign substance- I imagine it would be hard to "over do it" to the point of any kind of damage. Just be sure there isn't so much that it doesn't dissolve in the water. Be sure to rinse with fresh water after then dry.

There are various washes that for different fabrics For fabric and perhaps even neoprene based tails, here are specialty washes to get the chlorine out. Remember to hand wash, not machine wash.

Solmar Corp Suit Saver (http://www.amazon.com/Solmar-Corp-Suit-Saver/dp/B0006N6244/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1360974584&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Chlorine+removal+suit+wash)
Speedo Swimsuit Cleaner (http://www.amazon.com/Speedo-753393-080-Swimsuit-Cleaner/dp/B00070QENA/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1360974584&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=Chlorine+removal+suit+wash)
Summer Solutions Suit Solutions (http://http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Solutions-Suit/dp/B0017I6WTM/ref=pd_sim_sg_2)
Swim Spray Chlorine Remover (http://www.amazon.com/SwimSpray-oz-Chlorine-Removal-Spray/dp/B006J7FSE6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=19NQUZVO0FJVM&coliid=I3PF779D4DMDF4)

Tip: A back brush - such as the ones you use in the tub or shower, soft bristles, long handle for reaching your back and shoulders- is good for gently cleaning a tail. It is great for removing sand, dirt, and any flakey paint.

Preventing and treating mold in a mermaid tail is very important. Mold can eat away at silicone and weaken it, it can show through your tail as dark unsightly spots, and it can cause skin reactions when you wear it! Here are a few options for how to prevent mold.


Vinegar. Rinse the inside of the tail with a half and half mixture of distilled white vinegar and water. This will discourage any mold, mildew, or other bacteria growth inside the tail. This can be useful in partial latex/silicone tails with neoprene linings, as they take longer to completely dry, giving mold more time to set in. According to various sources, this can also help prevent chlorine from deteriorating fabric tails. Be sure to rinse well after using vinegar.
Rubbing alcohol. According to the silicone manufacturer and distributor Smooth-On, isopropyl alcohol can be safely used on platinum silicone to kill any existing mold.
Disinfecting wipes, such as Lysol wipes. These are also great for cleaning the inside of silicone tails while disinfecting them to kill and prevent mold. Be sure to let it evaporate out of he tail after using. (See Raina's thread on this for more information (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?8953-Lysol-Wipes-for-the-insides-of-tails)).
Toy cleaner. For platinum silicone or slip casting latex tails, there are cleaners made specifically for this material that will clean and sanitize the latex or silicone safely. It may sound strange, but the best product for this job is actually a adult toy cleaner! Read the labels, make sure that the cleaner is approved for latex and silicone! You can purchase these at an adult store or online.
Wet suit dry shampoo (https://www.gearaid.com/products/wetsuit-drysuit-shampoo). For neoprene, neoprene based, and lycra tails. According to the site, this product "works fast to remove organic residues like algae and bacteria, plus chlorine and salt deposits".



Drying

Drying your tail completely is very important! Full silicone tails can be dried inside and out with towels. If you have trouble reaching into and around the foot pockets (in the fluke) with towels, there's a little trick you can use to make it easier: Wrap a dish towel around your hand, and take a large sock and slip your toweled hand into it. You how have a towel that you can maneuver into and around foot pockets, and into small crannies to completely dry out the inside of your tail.

If you're having trouble getting your tail completely dry, you can put a pool noodle (or two if they're small) inside the tail to prop it open and let air flow in. It helps even more if you have a fan pointing to the inside of the tail. Small clip-on fans (such as this one (http://www.amazon.com/Lasko-2004W-2-Speed-6-Inch-White/dp/B00FXOFO7W/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1444082058&sr=1-1&keywords=small+clip+fan)) can even be clipped on the pool noodles to have the fan directly in the opening (waist) of the tail. You can even leave the fan running over night.

Depending on what your tail is made of, it may be harder to dry out the inside of the tail. Partial latex and partial silicone tails are notorious for taking a long time to dry. Some mers build or purchase things to aid in drying their tails completely. Just be sure NOT to clamp your tail in any way, as this can lead to damage and/or permanent indentations in the material. One option is to buy a boot dryer, such as the “PEET Dryer Wader Boot Wader Electric Dryer” (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001COY7FM/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details) - just be sure to be aware of the heat settings. Too much heat is not good for tails made of certain materials. Another is to buy a coat rack, preferably with adjustable or removable arms. You can even place this over a air vent, if you have those in your home. You would hang the tail upside down (fluke up) with either of these. A DIY option would be to build a tail drying rack out of PVC. Several people have done this with great success!


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PVC tail drying stand made by Merman Jesse (original creator)


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PVC tail drying stand made for Mermaid Marla (by spouse)

Others have used J-hooks to hang their tails on the wall, no only to dry out of the way, but also doubles as lovely wall decor!

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Materials (http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=20566&d=1399415664) (☜ click for photo) found at stores like Lowes or Home Depot, and cheap! Cost breakdown: Handy hooks $2.94 each, Pipe insulation(found in plumbing section): $2.47, Dry wall tripple grip screws: $6.98

Never leave your tail out in the sun for long periods of time- not even to dry! UV rays can cause damage to the material, also the heat will damage neoprene tails. Do not store in direct sunlight! Don't leave your tail in a hot car or trunk, or other hot area such as a storage shed. Never store your tail where it is under constant stress (like on a hanger, where the monofin weight will put stress on the folded area). Best thing is to store it flat, on a no stress tail stand, or the wall. Remember that latex and silicone can be sticky. Once a latex tail is completely dry, you can dust it with baby powder or corn starch to keep it from sticking to itself if this is an issue. This can be helpful for storage over long periods of time or when you need to transport it in the heat. Remember that sun and heat are damaging to materials such as latex, neoprene, and lycra.


Tail Repair

•Water is hard on zippers. If your tail has a zipper, take care of it, or you may need to remove/replace it sooner than you'd like! A wet use zipper care formula such as “Zip Care Liquid Zipper Cleaner and Lubricant” (http://www.mcnett.com/Zip-Care-Liquid-Zipper-Cleaner-Lubricant-P249.aspx) is recommended. If you've broken a zipper, they can be replaced. Check out this video tutorial on how to replace a broken zipper in a FinFolk Mythic tail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO9hIUfEojQ

•Tails made from lycra, neoprene, tin cure latex, and slip casting latex will degrade over time. Another thing you can do to help slow that process is to use a spray protectant. It will need to be reapplied every so often to maintain protection. We recommend McNett Silicone Spray Lubricant Protectant (http://www.mcnett.com/Silicone-Spray-Lubricant-Protectant-P255.aspx) (Do not use hardware store silicone sprays, as they may be blended with petroleum. Buy online, or from your local dive shop.) This is especially important for tin cure latex to keep it from deteriorating. DO NOT use on silicone! A silicone based lube or spray on silicone will result in the silicone compounds melting each other. Just the same, NEVER use a petroleum based product on latex or neoprene! It will damage the latex or neoprene beyond repair.

•Any fabric based tails will lose elasticity over time and stretch out. Neoprin is probably the worst offender with this issue. You can take them in yourself as needed, or you can take them to a seamstress and have them do it for you. Just be sure to inform them of the type of materials so they know how to handle it properly. Check out some tips on the "Sewing lycra and other swim fabrics" thread (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?1542-sewing-lycra-and-other-swim-fabrics) and the "Sewing Neoprene" thread (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?574-Archive-quot-Sewing-Neoprene-quot).

•For painted tin cure latex tails, you can repaint and touch up the paint with Createx brand airbrush paint. This can be found at craft stores nation wide. You do not need to have an airbrush to paint the tail, you may brush it on with a paint brush. Let the paint dry for at least one hour, making sure all paint is completely dry, before curing the paint. You may have to recoat the paint in layers to get a nice uniform coat. If so, be sure to let it dry between layers. It is better to wait and do it correctly. Heat set with a very hot heat gun to cure the paint. A tool grade or craft grade heat gun is recommended. A hair dryer will not work. Be careful when using the heat gun. Keep it moving- if a spot gets too hot the paint will bubble and will become prone to peeling and flaking off, and it is possible to melt or burn a hole in the tail if one area is heated for too long. Paint will eventually come off over time, and with scrapes on abrasive surfaces such as concrete, rocks, and pool walls.

•Rips and tears can happen. For patching rips/tears in neoprene, there are the following: Seal Cement Contact Cement for Neoprene (http://www.mcnett.com/Seal-Cement-Contact-Cement-for-Neoprene-P388.aspx) and Aquaseal Urethane Repair Adhesive and Sealant (http://www.mcnett.com/Aquaseal-Urethane-Repair-Adhesive-Sealant-P234.aspx).

For patching full silicone tails or repairing fins on full silicone tails, please contact your tailmaker first, as attempting to repair it yourself can further damage your tail and/or void your warranty. If it's a self made tail (you have no tailmaker to contact) then you can attempt to patch it yourself with silpoxy, sugru, or tin cure silicone that will bond to platinum silicone (such as GE Silicone I Clear Waterproof Silicone (http://www.mscdirect.com/product/72472723?src=pla&008=-99&007=Search&pcrid=15557577904&006=15557577904&005=21882504424&004=4409695744&002=2167139&mkwid=sJXegN7a0|dc&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test_sJXegN7a0_PLA__15557577904_c_S&026=-99&025=c)) on the inside of the tail. Sil-Poxy (http://www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1128_1268/index.html), made by Smooth On, is said to be a great alternative for thickened dragonskin. Sugru (http://sugru.com/) is also an easy way to patch small holes (used by the Dive Bar mermaids) as it is platinum grade silicone in a putty form.

For holes and minor tears, patch neatly on the inside of the tail. You can use nylon power mesh (sold by the yard) to reinforce trouble areas and/or larger holes. Power mesh can be ordered online, or even found in some fabric stores with the spandex/swim fabrics. Simply put down a layer of silicone repairing medium of your choice, a followed by a small patch of power mesh (enough to cover the area and a little extra) and then more silicone.
If you are repairing transparent blended waists, get power mesh colored closest to the kind it was made with and/or to your skin color.

For damage to fins on the outside, you can use silpoxy or GE I Caulking (they have similar components, but silpoxy has an accelerant, thus the 12 minute cure time). If your tail is past the "green period" (by the time you get your tail it probably is past it already) regular platinum silicone may not bond to the old silicone, and may peel off easily after repair. Thus it is recommended that you use silpoxy or GE I caulking.
To match the paint on your tail for repairs, you can mix in powder pigments, or in a pinch, eyeshadow. Be sure to clean the area thoroughly first to ensure a good bond! It's recommended you use Original Blue Dawn dish soap to wash the area well. Let the area completely dry, and clean it with rubbing alcohol (90% recommended) and let that dry completely as well. If needed you can use sewing pins to hold the damaged fin in place while the silicone dries- don't worry, they won't harm the silicone.

Be sure to wear protective gear (nitrile gloves, ect- of course never wear latex gloves to handle silicone as it will inhibit curing) as always. Popsicle sticks are handy for small applications like that. Be sure to let it cure completely before using again. (Check the instructions for how long complete cure will take. Typically 12-24 hours is best.)

Check out this video made by Raven of Merbella Studios on repairing fin rips:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdrYcAeUoU


Transport

Transport your tail with care. For heavier tails you can carry it a short distance with it over your shoulder or over your forearm. It can help to put a towel over your shoulder or arm first, to avoid chaffing from sticky materials such as latex and silicone. For longer trips you may want to invest in a large bag. Some mers have used extra large art portfolio bags, some have used pop-up tent bags, some IKEA shopping bags, some extra large tote bags.

There are several monofin carrying bags that fit tails, and and bags specifically for carrying mermaid tails on the market. Please be aware that any bag with the fluke pointing downwards should be avoided! A few mermaids have had the monofin in their tails crack or completely snap from using such bags, as the design puts too much stress on the monofin!

Flying with a tail can be done of course, but there are a few things to know. The best route is to check your tail as checked baggage. Most tails with floppy flukes can be packed in a large suitcase. If your fluke/monofin is large and stiff, you will most likely need to pack it in a large box (many use the box that they received their tails in originally). Some invest in a bike case for flying with their tails, but those are very expensive. Depending on the size of the box or case, this may mean that your tail would be considered "oversized luggage" which comes with an extra (often expensive) fee. Either way, it's recommended that you mark your luggage or box to be "fragile". Please be aware, that just like any other piece of luggage, there is a chance that your tail could be lost. This has happened to several mermaids. There is a limit on how much an airline will reimburse you for lost or damaged items (if at all)- and that may not cover the cost of your tail.

Some people have claimed that they can carry their tails on board the plane with them. If your can fit your tail in a bag that follows the the restrictions for overhead bins, or under your seat, then by all means do so. But most silicone tails will not fit in those spaces. Also, be aware that flights often have limited overhead bin space, and if you do not board early enough, there may be no room for your tail, and you may have to check it at the gate.

Some mers have stated that they were able to store their tails in the "first class closet" or "garment closet" on airplanes by asking the flight crew. Never depend on this. That space is actually not a "first class/garmet closet", it is a wheelchair closet (https://phoenixonwheels.tumblr.com/post/167519305441/phoenixonwheels-phoenixonwheels-just-for-once). It is a wheelchair closet first and foremost. After that, it can be used as a space for crew to keep their bags, or perhaps be used as a place for others to keep garments. That is a big gamble to depend on for safe transport of a tail.

Another option would be to ship your tail to your destination ahead of you. Depending on your tail, and the distance to the destination, this may be more or less expensive than taking it as checked luggage. ALWAYS insure your tail when shipping. As with any package, there is a chance that it could be lost or damaged when in route. Shipping ahead is not a good option for when you are traveling internationally, however- as it could be held in customs for a long time, and you could also be charged high customs fees.

When moving long distances, take special care in how you pack your tail. This is especially true for silicone tails, and also for partial tails that may develop permanent creases if left folded for too long. You can pack it via any of the above methods. However, your things will be in transit and/or storage for more than a week, I highly advise seeing if there is a way to have it sent flat if possible. For example, when I moved cross country a moving company packed our things- I had them lay down a blanket on our couch, put the tail on the blanket, then fold the blanket over. They then wrapped the entire couch in heavy duty plastic wrap (as they do for all couches). That way it was secure, padded, and flat for the whole of a month it took me to see it again.
If a moving company is packing your things (such as is required for military moves) always supervise the packing of your tail. Although If a monofin is put into a box and bent to fit in there, it may become permanently bent. Make sure your monofin(s) are put in a large enough box that they do not bend. Make sure no heavy objects are placed on top of your monofin(s).
If you are moving a shorter distance, it may be best to take your tail in the car with you, rather than have it loaded in the back of a truck. I also advise that only you and people you trust with your tail handle it. Tell others not to touch it. Friends or others helping you move may not know how to handle your tail, and may damage it on accident when trying to help. (I had that happen actually- one of my heel fins got ripped off.)

Avoid putting anything on top of your tail if at all possible, especially laying it flat and setting something moderately heavy on top, and especially in the heat. This can warp the monofin pockets beyond repair, making it painful to even excruciating for your feet to swim in. The monofin may have to be taken out of the tail (deconstruction of the fluke) and repaired or replaced if this occurs. Tails should NEVER be shipped in a flattened box for this reason.

No matter how I transport my tail- in the back of a car, in a tail bag, in a box- I always put down a barrier to prevent the tail from catching on itself. This is particularly important if you have a silicone tail with extra fins. I lay down the fluke, and put down the edge of the towel, then lay down a section of the tail, then fold the towel over so it is on top of that section, then put down the last section of the tail. The towel-tail sandwich will prevent fins from catching or potentially ripping when it is jostled about.

AniaR
09-07-2012, 07:29 PM
kinda funny but totally legit, sex toy cleaner is great for silicone tails. It kills bacteria, only needs to be left on for seconds, and is safe for use on silicone without destroying it. I got one that came in a spray bottle, and just looks like window cleaner!

Princess Kae-Leah
09-07-2012, 07:53 PM
I've always really "babied" my tail, never taking it out of the house so far or getting more than drops of water on it, so I haven't had to clean it so far, it still looks pretty brand-new

Morticia Mermaid
09-07-2012, 08:19 PM
I'll definitely keep this in mind when it comes to taking care of my tails. I'm going to use the heck out of them :D

Ayla of Duluth
09-08-2012, 02:39 AM
What about a sequin tail? Is there anything important to know about cleaning/storage? I haven't seen it talked about really.

Winged Mermaid
09-08-2012, 03:12 AM
What about a sequin tail? Is there anything important to know about cleaning/storage? I haven't seen it talked about really.

That's becuase it's a pretty recent type of tail! If it were me I'd start with following instructions for taking care of the material it's based on- so lycra, neoprene, or neoprin. It would be my guess that chlorine will accelerate the weakening of the colored backing on the sequins, which leads to separation of the backing from the sequins. This will happen anyhow because of submersion, but I think chlorine will certainly make it happen faster. Therefore you should take extra care in rinsing thoroughly after use. I think using proper fabric wash (or even the vinegar and water rinse) would also be important if the sequins are sewn, since there are so many holes in the material it can break down the fabric faster by making it vulnerable, letting water and chemicals through and into the fabric. Especially neoprene. Drying it well would also be important before storing, which may take longer since air needs to get under the sequins to get them dry and they're crowded together.

The nature of a sequin tail is that the sequins are constantly being damaged. Coming off, chipping, cracking, colored backing chipping, separating from the sequin, coming off, ect. A big part of maintenance on those tails will be replacing sequins on a regular basis.

Kanti
09-08-2012, 04:27 PM
kinda funny but totally legit, sex toy cleaner is great for silicone tails. It kills bacteria, only needs to be left on for seconds, and is safe for use on silicone without destroying it. I got one that came in a spray bottle, and just looks like window cleaner!

xD I love it whenever you tell people about the sex toy cleaner.
It makes me laugh to think that someone would go to a sex store and get the largest bottle
(for a whole tail of course :'P) and then the guy at the cash register would be all O_O "How
many sex toys do you HAVE!?" xD

Ayla of Duluth
09-08-2012, 06:17 PM
I wonder how Hannah Fraser makes her sequin tails last so long.

Winged Mermaid
09-08-2012, 06:59 PM
The sequins DO get damaged. If you go to this thread (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?443) and click on the pictures and then when you get to the photobucket page, click on the image again, and it will show you the image much larger. Then you can see that there are all kinds of sequins that are coming off, backings coming off and separated/separating, chipped sequins, ect. Especially on the bottom and back of her flukes. She keeps them looking good by doing it the hard way, which is replacing and repairing sequins as they get damaged.

Ayla of Duluth
09-08-2012, 09:03 PM
Oh I see. It kinda reminds me of the way fish scales come off in your hands. Wasn't there someone who put silicone over her sequins? I think that's a genius ides for sequin tails, especially since replacing individual sequins as they get damaged can be exhausting and expensive.

Winged Mermaid
09-08-2012, 10:14 PM
Last I heard they did a patch test and it didn't hold up :/ I thought as much, becuase the sequins would be constantly cutting into the silicone and weakening it. The only thing I can think of is dipping the sequins in clear casting resin before you attach them. But that would get expensive, very time consuming (especially becuase unless you figure out another way to keep the hole for sewing open you'd have to re-drill a hole with a dremmel/very small drill bit) and it could also get really heavy with a lot of sequins on the tail. I guess you could hand brush resin on lightly the fronts and backs with a brush (though it would have to be a disposable one every time you did it becuase that stuff doesn't come out and hardens as it cures). That would leave the area around the sewing hole vulnerable to breaking, but protect the rest of the sequin. So they would break off here and there, but you wouldn't have any of the other damage issues. It'd take a lot of time, but may be worth it.

As I always say- always do a patch test FIRST.

Winged Mermaid
09-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Just wanted to post the cheapest I've found Seal Cement is on eBay here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251144895390?hlp=false It's half the price it's usually listed, with free shipping and 100% positive feedback. I ordered from them last night!

Also the cheapest I found Createx is at Chicago Airbrush Supply: http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/createx.html They have a fantastic range of the colors- all of them I think- In sizes in ounces in 2, 8, 16, 32, and 128.

Mermaid Lei Loni
09-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Thank you soooo much for posting this! I'm just about to purchase my first silicone tail, and I was wondering about the maintenance. This helped a ton!

Mermaid Sirena
09-12-2012, 12:40 AM
This is fantastic.

Ashe
01-24-2013, 09:19 PM
Wow! I just came across all this :P This is such helpful information, so thank you big time! I learned so many things :)

MermanJesse
01-25-2013, 01:20 AM
Please be advised that I am not the original creator of the tail drying stand, Mertender Steve is the original creator. I designed the one specifically for my MVD tail.

I also modified Steve's design so that it acts as a rinse station by attaching a garden hose to it.

Mer-Crazy
08-10-2013, 01:46 AM
What temperature would you consider to be 'warm' or 'hot'? I just want to know because a) opinions of water temperatures vary depending on person to person and b)waters actually tend to get fairly warm around where I live and I don't want to damage my tail.

Winged Mermaid
09-09-2013, 09:26 PM
What temperature would you consider to be 'warm' or 'hot'? I just want to know because a) opinions of water temperatures vary depending on person to person and b)waters actually tend to get fairly warm around where I live and I don't want to damage my tail.

It's hard to say when damage will start to occur. As far as I know neoprene is the most vulnerable to heat, but maybe becuase there's more care information on it because of how many people use it (surfers, divers, snorkelers, ect). I'd say anything warmer than luke warm to moderately warm should be avoided. I noted this because I know for wetsuit care they tell you after you get out of the ocean do NOT take a warm or hot shower while in your suit still because it can cause damage, even though you may be very temped. Hope that helps :) I'm sure if you do some digging on wetsuit companies care sheets and warranty info, or maybe a dive enthusiast forum, you could find more info.

Winged Mermaid
09-10-2013, 01:15 AM
Just bumping this to say I updated it a bit :)

Ariel-Starfish
09-10-2013, 02:54 PM
For the baking soda thing.... My mom thinks it's not a good idea becouse it's salt and she's worried it would EAT and damage the tail. Any advice? Also; Is wetsuit cleaner good enough for getting bacteria out of a neoprene/silicone tail?

PearlieMae
09-10-2013, 03:18 PM
No more than the salt in the ocean... You are going to dilute and dissolve the baking soda in water enough just to deodorize your tail.

*removed incorrect information*

Ariel-Starfish
09-10-2013, 03:30 PM
No more than the salt in the ocean... You are going to dilute and dissolve the baking soda in water enough just to deodorize your tail.

I think that if you wanted to disinfect your tail to keep it from smelling or molding, use a VERY WEAK bleach and water solution. I mean no more than a quarter cup of bleach to a gallon of water, and rinse it with lots of clear water afterwards. Not sure if color-safe bleach will have the same disinfecting properties.

If you don't want to risk bleach, use an isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and water solution to rinse inside your tail, always followed with lots of clear water.

Ok now I'm confused.... XD I just want to do it right u know? So: Baking soda in small amouts is ok to clean the tail from clorene?

PearlieMae
09-10-2013, 03:35 PM
Baking soda is one of the most gentle cleaners there is. a handful of baking soda dissolved in a bucket of water should be just fine.

Winged Mermaid
09-10-2013, 07:33 PM
I think that if you wanted to disinfect your tail to keep it from smelling or molding, use a VERY WEAK bleach and water solution. I mean no more than a quarter cup of bleach to a gallon of water, and rinse it with lots of clear water afterwards. Not sure if color-safe bleach will have the same disinfecting properties.

If you don't want to risk bleach, use an isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and water solution to rinse inside your tail, always followed with lots of clear water.

NEVER EVER USE BLEACH ON YOUR TAIL. EVER.

Sorry, PearlieMae, but that is just something you never ever use on a tail. Those can do considerable damage to the base materials and certainly the paints. Rubbing alcohol is okay for full silicone tails, but only on small spots to kill mold.

For you tail you want to use either very gentle cleaners (diluted vinegar or baking soda for example) or you want to use (harsher) cleaners specifically made for the materials it's made of (like sex toy cleaner made for silicone) so it won't damage anything.




For the baking soda thing.... My mom thinks it's not a good idea becouse it's salt and she's worried it would EAT and damage the tail. Any advice? Also; Is wetsuit cleaner good enough for getting bacteria out of a neoprene/silicone tail?

As for baking soda being salt- yes it's sodium bicarbonate, a form of salt. But it's still a base- it's not acidic like sodium chloride (table and sea salt compound essentially). As a base, it's frequently used in chemistry as a wash to remove any acidic impurities- like chlorine. And really, would you rather have a very gentle benign form of salt on your tail that you can easily wash off with water after.. or acidic damaging chlorine which you can't remove completely with just water and can stay on/in the materials for weeks or even months after you swim, doing damage to the materials all the while?

It's up to you, but that's my thought on it. Also Raven has approved baking soda baths for her tails- she actually commented on a photo (https://instagram.com/p/araGNzLxaP/?taken-by=mermaid_iona) of me explaining and showing a tail baking soda bath/soak and said, "wanna put this photo on the Care sheet! <3". So it's Raven approved ^_^

Also if you don't want to use vinegar (1/2 & 1/2 vinegar and water) to disinfect your tail, wetsuit cleaner will work wonderfully for the inside of your tail :) Just be aware some divers use food grade silicone to condition their suits some times- so just make sure any cleaner or conditioner you use does not have any silicone in it. As far as I'm aware they don't put it in cleaner, but it's just good to be aware of it for when you're shopping to keep an eye out on the labeling.

PearlieMae
09-10-2013, 07:41 PM
Thanks for that! I was sure a very dilute solution would be fine unless your tail was made of silk or wool!

I stand corrected! :)

Iona, shall I remove my erroneous post so as not to confuse anyone?

AniaR
09-10-2013, 08:43 PM
Sex toy cleaner for silicone is best. Wetsuit cleaner for neoprene

Ariel-Starfish
09-11-2013, 05:56 AM
NEVER EVER USE BLEACH OR RUBBING ALCOHOL ON YOUR TAIL. EVER.

Sorry, PearlieMae, but those are just two things you never ever use on a tail. Those can do considerable damage to the base materials and certainly the paints.

For you tail you want to use either very gentle cleaners (vinegar, baking soda for example) or you want to use (harsher) cleaners specifically made for the materials it's made of so it won't damage anything.





As for baking soda being salt- yes it's sodium bicarbonate, a form of salt. But it's still a base- it's not acidic like sodium chloride (table and sea salt compound essentially). As a base, it's frequently used in chemistry as a wash to remove any acidic impurities- like chlorine. And really, would you rather have a very gentle benign form of salt on your tail that you can easily wash off with water after.. or acidic damaging chlorine which you can't remove completely with just water and can stay on/in the materials for weeks or even months after you swim, doing damage to the materials all the while?

It's up to you, but that's my thought on it. Also Raven has approved baking soda baths for her tails- she actually commented on a photo (http://http://instagram.com/p/araGNzLxaP/) of me explaining and showing a tail baking soda bath/soak and said, "wanna put this photo on the Care sheet! <3". So it's Raven approved ^_^

Also if you don't want to use vinegar (1/2 & 1/2 vinegar and water) to disinfect your tail, wetsuit cleaner will work wonderfully for the inside of your tail :) Just be aware some divers use food grade silicone to condition their suits some times- so just make sure any cleaner or conditioner you use does not have any silicone in it. As far as I'm aware they don't put it in cleaner, but it's just good to be aware of it for when you're shopping to keep an eye out on the labeling.

THANK YOU!!!!

Mermaid Syrena
09-14-2013, 01:08 PM
When looking for lubricant, sex toy cleaner (for tails) etc... is there an ingredient name I should be wary of? I mean, I know I should stay away from anything with "silicone" or "petroleum jelly" in the list of ingredients- but do those also have other names?

Anahita
09-15-2013, 07:11 AM
When looking for lubricant, sex toy cleaner (for tails) etc... is there an ingredient name I should be wary of? I mean, I know I should stay away from anything with "silicone" or "petroleum jelly" in the list of ingredients- but do those also have other names?

When I used to work in a sex store, I noticed that silicone-based products were listed with the ingredients that made up the silicone (although this was just for lubricants... I never actually checked the cleaner because the cleaners usually listed straight on them "silicone safe" on their fronts).

If you can get JO H2O lubricant, that's the one I suggest. It's pretty cheap, and it doesn't get sticky, it just dries up, so you won't feel icky in the tail. But you have to make sure it's the one with the blue label, and that it says H2O on it, because if it's black, it's silicone based, and if it's red, it's silicone based AND warming... Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

Also, a lot of water-based lubricants will have glycerin in their ingredients lists, so when in doubt, check to see if there's glycerin listed. If there's glycerin, it's likely water based. (I've not yet seen a silicone based lubricant with glycerin in it, but I've learned to never say never... it might end badly for someone if I do)

AniaR
09-15-2013, 09:47 AM
Yeah Jo H20 is silicone based, can't use anything silicone based on the silicone tails.... lol. I tried that one first before I knew anything. It didn't damage anything cuz I only used it once- but overtime...

Ariel-Starfish
09-15-2013, 12:36 PM
ehm... is it normal when; u give your tail a bath (including some baking soda) ...leave it there for 4 to 5 hours and when u come back to rhise the tail....there is NO MORE WATER...becouse of the salt.....:doh:

Is this normal? I rhised it with clean water and now my tail hangs to dry.

Anahita
09-15-2013, 05:21 PM
Yeah Jo H20 is silicone based, can't use anything silicone based on the silicone tails.... lol. I tried that one first before I knew anything. It didn't damage anything cuz I only used it once- but overtime...

It is? I know they market it as "feels like silicone" but my bottle of it doesn't have any of the silicone base materials listed, just water, glycerin, propyl and methyl parabens, and sodium carboxymethyl cellulose.

Silicone lubricants (Like Jo Premium) are four or less ingredients instead of the 5+ usually used in waterbase; two of which are usually dimethicone and dimethiconol (some use only one or the other, but most use both) which is itself the silicone, and contain no water in the ingredients. (I just checked all my silicone lubes, lol, but yeah, none of them have water, and they all have dimethicone and/or dimethiconol)

In retrospect I should have just not been so lazy and got up and done that the first time around, but it was 4 am, and I didn't want to make a bunch of noise digging around. Lol.

Blaze
09-15-2013, 05:57 PM
Heya everyone. So I just gave my tail a paint job this week and just got home from doing a birthday party. Tail looked great but the new paint flaked off BADLY. I used createx paint but was i supposed to prime the latex first to get oils off or something? Not sure what I did wrong but really want to fix before my trip to Jamaica next week!

AniaR
09-16-2013, 06:48 PM
it's a mertailor tail one of the older "realistic" ones right? that's unfourtunantly a known issue. All you can do is just keep repainting and heat setting it. it'll just keep peeling

Winged Mermaid
09-16-2013, 07:06 PM
You do need to make sure to set it with a heat gun well, as it says in the original post. It helps if you rinse all the chlorine/dirt/salt water off before hand. If you have done that previously, just wipe the tail down with a damp cloth to make sure there isn't any dust on it and let it dry for a few minutes. But yeah, the paint will keep peeling. :/ Your tail will eventually get to the point where you have to repaint it every time you swim. That's why he switched to tin cure silicone with the pigment mixed in for his "realistic" tails.

Blaze
09-16-2013, 10:30 PM
Urg that stinks but at least I know where I went wrong; I missed the step with the heat gun. It gives me hope to be able to fix it again before this weekend; just need more paint. :)

Yulia
09-23-2013, 08:53 AM
You say that a boot dryer is a good tool for a tail, but the boot dryer we have blows warm air, is that good/bad?

AniaR
09-24-2013, 07:13 PM
I think maybe they'd only be good for fabric or neoprene tails. too much heat on silicone= bad

Winged Mermaid
09-24-2013, 07:41 PM
Depends on how warm, but I'd stay away from it for silicone and (depending how how warm) neoprene. I posted those as there are some with "cool" settings that are safe to use :) Anything above that becomes "at your own risk".

Mermaid Syrena
09-25-2013, 04:50 AM
Depends on how warm, but I'd stay away from it for silicone and (depending how how warm) neoprene. I posted those as there are some with "cool" settings that are safe to use :) Anything above that becomes "at your own risk".

Iona- I went ahead and ordered the PEET boot dryer you recommended, for my upcoming Finfolk silicone tail. It should be fine, right? (temp wise)

Yulia
09-25-2013, 06:40 AM
How warm water is too warm?
Is 86F to much?

Yulia
09-26-2013, 07:53 PM
"First, the mermaids have to slather their legs with hair conditioner, and then squeeze into the skin tight suits."
Doesn't hair conditioner mess up with the water you're swimming in? :s

PearlieMae
09-26-2013, 08:12 PM
86˚F is cooler than body temp. I think 105˚ could be considered warm...that's like a bath. Hot would be anything over 115˚, maybe?

Slathering with hair conditioner sounds dumb, expensive and messy, not to mention dangerous if you're swimming in a tank with fish.

Yulia
09-27-2013, 06:48 PM
What's something else you can use besides lube? Feels a bit awkward to me to buy that.

Winged Mermaid
09-27-2013, 08:26 PM
What's something else you can use besides lube? Feels a bit awkward to me to buy that.

If you have a neoprene or neoprene backed tail you can use Suit Slip (linked in original post, 4th bullet down). The makers of Suit Slip say it's fine for silicone tails as well, but I don't know anyone else who has used it for a full silicone tail. Some use hair conditioner, but I personally wouldn't recommend it.

Just so you know people buy water-based lube for all kinds of things other than sex. Especially generic brands like KY Jelly. Paint thinner for acrylics, making fake blood (I've heard of zombie/goul fashion shows buying out every bottle in a store in preparation), removing stuck on o-rings, sewing through rubbery fabrics, unsticking sticky or stuck zippers, getting of price tag residue, and untangling knotted jewelry chains are ones I can think off off the top of my head. But if you're still not convinced, you can always buy it online. Or ask a friend, boyfriend, relative, or whoever buy a bottle for you.

Mermaid Kalliope
11-20-2013, 02:02 AM
Okay, so... I went to look for lubricant today and they is liquid and jelly... both water based. I'm not sure which get. ><

Winged Mermaid
11-20-2013, 05:45 AM
Get liquid- jelly is harder to spread around and gets sticky faster. :thumbs-up:

Mermaid Kalliope
11-20-2013, 06:35 PM
Thank you, Iona! ^_^ I shall attempt to get myself to buy it soon. Haha

Mermaid Kate Silverfin
01-04-2014, 08:28 PM
I was just wondering if anyone had experience with caring for polycarbonate monofins? I recently bought a monofin from Fin Fun, which is polycarbonate, but is super flexible so I am looking to make it stiffer somehow. Are there any suggestions for doing this? I did think about duct tape, but I came across one website that says it degrades polycarbonate, can anyone confirm this either way?
Thanks!

Winged Mermaid
01-18-2014, 10:10 PM
Bumping for added info on drying and repairing silicone tails.

Aziara
01-27-2014, 08:55 AM
I wonder, could aloe vera gel be used as lubrication to get a silicone tail on? I'm thinking about putting a bit in a spray bottle with some water to dilute it, and spritzing myself down.

Winged Mermaid
01-27-2014, 05:33 PM
I don't see why not! I don't know if mixing them would work well, you might have to water down the gel enough to get it to spray that you'd have to spray a ton of it to be slippery enough. If you do it you should post and let us know how it works out :)
Just make sure you get aloe that doesn't have any additives (listed earlier in the thread I believe?) that could harm the silicone. On the shelf aloe products tend to get a lot of additives these days :/ Personally I order mine from Mountian Rose Herbs because I know it's pure food grade aloe. Good luck!

Aziara
01-27-2014, 08:17 PM
Thank, Iona! I had no idea where to find additive-free aloe vera gel. I have a aloe vera plant on my back porch, but I think the recent cold snaps have done it in :sad eyes: It's also such a hassle to try to grind it yourself. You always end up with chunks that won't grind up :gah: I may try smearing on the gel, then spritzing it with a little water to make it slicker. Might be awhile until I try this, however, my tail is still in the construction stage.

MermaidBrandie
02-08-2014, 01:13 PM
Actually though Jo has a silicone based lube, they're H20 version that she's talking about is silicone safe. I work as a sex toy store, not only do we recommend it for silicone toys, but a love them come with a packet of it for a free trial.

You could use J-Lube. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/360476546325?lpid=82 Its a powder you mix yourself. Allergy-free, silicone safe, and you mix it with water. I've got a bottle and I've had it for three years...I don't have a tail...but I do have silicone sex toys and it's never damaged any of them. You'd only need a little bit to ease a tail on, its so slippery.

Winged Mermaid
02-12-2014, 11:10 PM
You could use J-Lube. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/360476546325?lpid=82 Its a powder you mix yourself. Allergy-free, silicone safe, and you mix it with water. I've got a bottle and I've had it for three years...I don't have a tail...but I do have silicone sex toys and it's never damaged any of them. You'd only need a little bit to ease a tail on, its so slippery.

Thanks for letting us know you've found it to be silicone safe! Someone posted about it months back, and I spent a few hours digging around the net trying to find some place or someone that actually said it was silicone safe, but couldn't find that anywhere. Since it's used for veterinary uses (in vet offices and on farms) they don't really tend to include that kind of information. And I'd hate to make assumptions just becuase It's water based that it's silicone safe- I mean, seems a safe enough assumption, but that could be a $2-8k mistake X_x

I will add this to the thread, as a 10oz bottle makes 6-8 GALLONS of lube! That's the holy grail of cheap mermaid tail lube!

Mermaidmechanic
02-13-2014, 10:07 PM
I use coconut oil. I use some of it to get my tail on and some for my hair after swimming (swimming makes my hair rather difficult to comb!) and it works great for me. I havent had any problems with it and a nice rinse inside my tail with dawn dish soap once a week gets rid of any oily residue. :)

Mermaid Romy
02-22-2014, 01:22 AM
Ah, thank you so much. I'm so glad this thread is here. I was really worried about taking care of my tail when I finally got it!

Chrissy
06-28-2014, 02:50 PM
This is great my husband and I were just talking about trying to find a stand for my tail!!! The examples you put are are perfect templates for us to work with!!!!

Arella
08-14-2014, 11:24 AM
Mirazyme works great for getting any smell out of neoprene/silicone tails, just pour a little in the tub let it sit for 10 mins and hang to dry. Smell gone! Also awesome for wet suits :)

Yulia
09-09-2014, 06:58 AM
I've searched around a bit on the forum but didn't find a good answer..
How much does latex stretch?
My waist is 26inches, and my butt is 36inches, will there be problems to get it on?
I don't want to rip it...

Winged Mermaid
09-09-2014, 07:11 AM
Full or partial latex? I had similar measurements and my neoprene and [real] latex tail went over my hips/butt just fine.

Yulia
09-09-2014, 07:21 AM
Full latex. Do you use different lubricants for latex?
Is it easier to put on dry or wet?

Mermaid Morgann
09-09-2014, 09:42 AM
If you have a neoprene or neoprene backed tail you can use Suit Slip (linked in original post, 4th bullet down). The makers of Suit Slip say it's fine for silicone tails as well, but I don't know anyone else who has used it for a full silicone tail. Some use hair conditioner, but I personally wouldn't recommend it.




I have a full silicone tail and swear by using SuitSlip. The bottles are a bit pricey if you're doing a weekend-long convention because you use up quite a bit of it getting in and out, but so far it's been my favorite thing.

AniaR
09-10-2014, 12:11 PM
I have a thread about how I have used Lysol wipes with some success listed here with some pics: http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?8953-Lysol-Wipes-for-the-insides-of-tails

I also have a video I made about how I clean my tail, with tips on how others can clean tails, showing me doing it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mn7rkcuds7c

Marlin
01-16-2015, 04:55 PM
Just checking here first to be safe: I know the thread says that warm water is no good for full silicone tails and that hot tubs are pretty much a no-go. Now that it's winter... are heated pools ok?

AniaR
01-16-2015, 05:03 PM
Heat is generally fine. Its more an issue with glue less an issue with actual silicone. They boil silicone to disinfect it and dragonskin is medical grade. Don't over think this folks. A warm pool is fine lol. I had my tail in hot tubs loads and never had issues.

Marlin
01-16-2015, 05:05 PM
Heat is generally fine. Its more an issue with glue less an issue with actual silicone. They boil silicone to disinfect it and dragonskin is medical grade. Don't over think this folks. A warm pool is fine lol. I had my tail in hot tubs loads and never had issues.

Thank you for the advice. I'm just worried about hurting it. I tend to be way over cautious with stuff like this. Thanks for clearing things up :)

Nereid's Looking Glass
01-19-2015, 12:51 AM
Has anyone ever tried Sliquid H2O lube? I'm kinda thinking it's expensive (it's like $12.99 for a 4.2 fl oz bottle) but it's vegan, more high-grade, and was featured on "Oh Joy, Sex Toy" as a great, simple, no-frills personal lubricant. NOTE: THIS SITE IS NSFW AND NSFC. If you don't know what that means, it means "not safe for work" and "not safe for children/minors." Have any of you used it? Or do you have any other brand recommendations besides the ones already made?

Yulia
01-19-2015, 04:15 PM
I would recommend J-lube. It's a waterbased lube that you blend yourself from a powder. From a bottle you get 8 gallons of lube. It's very cheap.

SeaGlass Siren
09-18-2015, 11:19 PM
I installed j hooks to put up my tail. Here's the thing: because my monofin is huge I had to use 4 so it doesn't fall or bring down the wall. Here's another thing: the fluke is flopping about and not staying still. I need some sort of attachment at the top of my tail so it doesn't move (I want t up against the wall)
any suggestions?

SeaGlass Siren
09-18-2015, 11:19 PM
Just to clarify it's a finis competitor

Mermaid Jaffa
09-18-2015, 11:52 PM
I use Adreno Wetsuit and Swimwear wash, it neutralizes the chlorine and gets rid of the smell. Just one little squirt from the bottle into a full bucket of cold water is enough to wash a fishsuit, wetsuit (in winter I wear a wetsuit), tail, goggles and fin straps. I let it soak for 1 hour before rinsing and hang to dry in shade.
http://www.wetsuitwarehouse.com.au/brands/adreno/adreno-wetsuit-swimwear-wash-500ml

StephanieVex
09-23-2015, 01:37 PM
Hi I need help fixing the hip fins on my tail?? it looks like this
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and unfortunately while i was doing a gig a kid was a little too rough on one of the hip fins and it ripped about halfway up.. I have just gotten a kit of dragonskin silicone and was just wondering if anyone has any tips for me to make sure I repair it correctly and smoothly.
Thank you!!!

~Mermaid Echo

Merman Arion
09-23-2015, 02:40 PM
unfortunately while i was doing a gig a kid was a little too rough on one of the hip fins and it ripped about halfway up..

I hope that child apologized!! I'm furious to read that she damaged that amazing tail from Raven :mad:
Did her parents apologize as well?

Imogen Finnly
09-23-2015, 03:02 PM
If a child ripped a tail while someone was wearing it, would it be mean to scream like you were in pain? Haha I'm totally joking.

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PearlieMae
09-23-2015, 03:24 PM
If a child ripped a tail while someone was wearing it, would it be mean to scream like you were in pain? Haha I'm totally joking.

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:lol:

Why not? I totally act like my tail is ticklish! (nicked that idea from Raina...there's a video of a little boy sneaking a touch at one of her hospital visits, and she twitched and he ran away!)

Imogen Finnly
09-23-2015, 03:26 PM
*cues fake blood*
Haha that's amazing. I suppsose it would also teach kids to be gentle and what not.

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Merenneito Nerissa
09-23-2015, 04:10 PM
and unfortunately while i was doing a gig a kid was a little too rough on one of the hip fins and it ripped about halfway up.. I have just gotten a kit of dragonskin silicone and was just wondering if anyone has any tips for me to make sure I repair it correctly and smoothly.


For your future gigs you could maybe include in your contract that it'd be customers duty to pay the repairs if something like this happens? I have on my "terms and conditions" a section which says that(includes all my accessories too). I also had to add there a section which says that I need someone from orderer's party to make sure that kids won't pull me from hair or the fluke, or rip my accessories off or anything... And this was because of my latest experience in a two hours swimming hall gig, it was quite a chaos(there was also this one little sweetheart who kept spitting mouthfulls of water straight to my face). When you add there some numbers (in worst case tail repair being over 1000usd etc.) customers really might give a thought for that.

Madison MerFaerie
09-23-2015, 04:12 PM
*cues fake blood*

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That would be incredible. If only I could rig that up.... ;)

Mermaid Riia
09-23-2015, 04:24 PM
Hi I need help fixing the hip fins on my tail?? it looks like this
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and unfortunately while i was doing a gig a kid was a little too rough on one of the hip fins and it ripped about halfway up.. I have just gotten a kit of dragonskin silicone and was just wondering if anyone has any tips for me to make sure I repair it correctly and smoothly.
Thank you!!!

~Mermaid Echo

I just cried a little inside 'cause I madly love your tail :< this made me SO damn sad! Your tail was one of my sources of inspiration when designing my finfolk tail..
As for repair I have had similar experiences too. My fluke ends (in my pink mertailor) were torn once off by enthusiastic kids and my fins have had their share too :/ i would highly recommend Smooth On's silpoxy! I always have a tube of silpoxy with me, it's the only thing that really works. It creates a very strong bond between parts and I've used it to repair and also resize my old tail, both seams. Tried just using dragon skin as adhensive but it had hard time bonding to parts resulting them falling off when under hard stress. Silpoxy stays and so far all my fins are still attached after multiple beatings and reattaching. Hit me with PM if you want to, I'm more than happy to help!

AniaR
09-23-2015, 04:50 PM
Raven can tell you how to fix it, I fix mine all the time
Fancier tails aren't the best with kids

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Winged Mermaid
09-23-2015, 06:32 PM
Sorry about your tail! Hazards of gigs, for sure. The platinum silicone kits won't work, since your tail is past the green period it won't bond well- the silicone will just peel right off and won't hold up under stress. Just follow this bit from the original thread and you can fix it easy, I've fixed my heel fins a few times.


For patching full silicone tails or repairing fins on full silicone tails, please contact your tailmaker first, as attempting to repair it yourself can further damage your tail and/or void your warranty.

For damage to fins on the outside, you can use silpoxy or GE I Caulking (they have similar components, but silpoxy has an accelerant, thus the 12 minute cure time). If your tail is past the "green period" regular platinum silicone may not bond to the old silicone, and may peel off easily after repair. Thus it is recommended that you use silpoxy or GE I caulking.
To match the paint on your tail for repairs, you can mix in powder pigments, or in a pinch, eyeshadow. Be sure to clean the area thoroughly first to ensure a good bond! It's recommended you use Original Blue Dawn dish soap to wash the area well. Let the area completely dry, and clean it with rubbing alcohol (90% recommended) and let that dry completely as well. If needed you can use sewing pins to hold the damaged fin in place while the silicone dries- don't worry, they won't harm the silicone.

Be sure to wear protective gear (nitrile gloves, ect- of course never wear latex gloves to handle silicone as it will inhibit curing) as always. Popsicle sticks are handy for small applications like that. Be sure to let it cure completely before using again. (Check the instructions for how long complete cure will take. Typically 12-24 hours is best.)

StephanieVex
09-23-2015, 06:54 PM
I hope that child apologized!! I'm furious to read that she damaged that amazing tail from Raven :mad:
Did her parents apologize as well?

no, I didn't notice it until I got home :(

StephanieVex
09-23-2015, 06:56 PM
I just cried a little inside 'cause I madly love your tail :< this made me SO damn sad! Your tail was one of my sources of inspiration when designing my finfolk tail..
As for repair I have had similar experiences too. My fluke ends (in my pink mertailor) were torn once off by enthusiastic kids and my fins have had their share too :/ i would highly recommend Smooth On's silpoxy! I always have a tube of silpoxy with me, it's the only thing that really works. It creates a very strong bond between parts and I've used it to repair and also resize my old tail, both seams. Tried just using dragon skin as adhensive but it had hard time bonding to parts resulting them falling off when under hard stress. Silpoxy stays and so far all my fins are still attached after multiple beatings and reattaching. Hit me with PM if you want to, I'm more than happy to help!

Thank you so much!!!

StephanieVex
09-23-2015, 07:01 PM
For your future gigs you could maybe include in your contract that it'd be customers duty to pay the repairs if something like this happens? I have on my "terms and conditions" a section which says that(includes all my accessories too). I also had to add there a section which says that I need someone from orderer's party to make sure that kids won't pull me from hair or the fluke, or rip my accessories off or anything... And this was because of my latest experience in a two hours swimming hall gig, it was quite a chaos(there was also this one little sweetheart who kept spitting mouthfulls of water straight to my face). When you add there some numbers (in worst case tail repair being over 1000usd etc.) customers really might give a thought for that.

that's a great idea, thank you! I really should start on a contract, I don't have one yet :/

StephanieVex
09-23-2015, 07:03 PM
Sorry about your tail! Hazards of gigs, for sure. The platinum silicone kits won't work, since your tail is past the green period it won't bond well- the silicone will just peel right off and won't hold up under stress. Just follow this bit from the original thread and you can fix it easy, I've fixed my heel fins a few times.

dang, I should have asked earlier. Thank you so much though!

Mermaid Stardust
12-30-2015, 04:40 AM
Hi, not sure if this has been answered before. Does sunscreen affect or damage the tail (silicone)? I put sunscreen (50+) down to my waist and the top of the tail flops over it so it gets on the inside of the tail.

Ariel-Starfish
12-31-2015, 04:00 PM
Hi, not sure if this has been answered before. Does sunscreen affect or damage the tail (silicone)? I put sunscreen (50+) down to my waist and the top of the tail flops over it so it gets on the inside of the tail.


This is intresting!

Also: where can I order J-lube ?

Mer-Crazy
12-31-2015, 05:01 PM
Hi, not sure if this has been answered before. Does sunscreen affect or damage the tail (silicone)? I put sunscreen (50+) down to my waist and the top of the tail flops over it so it gets on the inside of the tail.

Mermaid Kelda actually uses it in place of lube when getting her tail on. I don't think she's seen any adverse effects from it.


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Ashton
02-22-2016, 08:47 PM
I have never had sunscreen to effect my tail and I use 100spf (I am super white...)

Mermaid Cataleya
05-25-2016, 08:57 AM
Is there a way someone can make a Tortoral for a stand. I am looking to do one that will double as a drying stand and a storage stand. it is for a silicone tail with neoprene backing. I am looking to possibly do the one that is PVC stand made like the one Mermaid Marla ( spouse) made for them

Atomic_Mermaid
06-20-2016, 08:12 PM
Does anyone have experience with the silicon sealer with a creatext painted Lycra tails?


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The Magic Crafter
08-15-2016, 12:46 AM
I just want to say "thank you" for creating this post! Having just received my first silicone mermaid tail (MerNation!!!), I feel like a mother with her new first-born child! I've stuffed all of the information about caring for my tail into my brain as possible, but STUDYING it and actually DOING it are two very different things! :sweat drop: I feel all panicky and jittery! Hahahhaa! More glad than ever to have this post to fall back on. :)

The_MermaidBrianna
08-15-2016, 08:18 AM
Im about to order my first silicone tail from MerNation within the next month, and im SOO glad there is a thread all about cleaning. My biggest fears of having such an expensive tail is anything bad happening to it!

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TheSaltySiren
08-15-2016, 08:47 AM
So I have a question. I have read that heat is bad for silicone. Now I am going to be traveling for about threads with my tail and my ca, that has no AC. While travailing I will have my windows down, and of course will not leave the tail in the car, but I am worried about it getting damaged at all?

Any advice would help!

mermaid mazu
09-22-2016, 05:06 PM
Ok, so I messed up. I have my first gig next weekendra and when I got my tail out to do a couple of small repairs that I knew it needed I discovered that it apparently didn't try completely before it was put away and now it smells like mildew. I made this tail out of neoprene (not scuba grade but mixed with spandex) and then fully scaled it in silicone. How do I clean it and what is a normal drying time?

Winged Mermaid
09-22-2016, 06:38 PM
Ok, so I messed up. I have my first gig next weekendra and when I got my tail out to do a couple of small repairs that I knew it needed I discovered that it apparently didn't try completely before it was put away and now it smells like mildew. I made this tail out of neoprene (not scuba grade but mixed with spandex) and then fully scaled it in silicone. How do I clean it and what is a normal drying time?

From the first post:




You can spray and/or rinse the inside of the tail with a half and half mixture of distilled white vinegar and water. Then rinse the solution out as well. This will discourage any mold, mildew, or other bacteria growth inside the tail. According to various sources, this will also help prevent chlorine from deteriorating fabric tails.

•There are also specialty shampoos you can use to wash your tail. You can use them with every use, or every now and then. Perhaps every 5th use. We recommend McNett's Wet Suit Dry Suit Shampoo. (http://www.mcnett.com/Wet-Suit-Dry-Suit-Shampoo-P239.aspx) (http://www.mcnett.com/Wet-Suit-Dry-Suit-Shampoo-P239.aspx)This can be used on neoprene (and neoprene based) and lycra tails.

So you can try vinegar and water- for you I'd say a full tail soak if possible if it's bad. If you click the link to the wet and dry suit shampoo, it specifically talks about it getting rid of build up and whatnot to get rid of the smell, and also to help the neoprene last longer :) If you go that route, you'd have to shampoo the inside of the tail since there's silicone on the outside.

As for drying time, neoprene coated in latex or silicone can take a long time to dry. I had my husband build me my first tail stand (like the PVC ones in the original post) because otherwise it just wouldn't dry completely. Even on the stand it took several days to a week, depending on the temperature and humidity in the apartment. Many others have ran into this issue, it's the nature of the beast. There are more tips about drying tails in the original post too!

mermaid mazu
09-22-2016, 06:48 PM
Ty, I started a vinegar and baking soda bath for it to soak

Sadied
10-29-2016, 12:06 AM
Hi there, thanks for sharing.

merman yhan
11-04-2016, 10:48 AM
hi im merman yhan from the philippines. just recently i had made my ownnlatex tail but i just noticed that mold starts to appear on my tail. how can i prevent it and hoe can i avoid my tail on deforming. tnx

merman yhan
11-04-2016, 10:50 AM
i really dont have enough knowledge about latex. i also wanted to repaint it. what should i do.? is rubber cement ok with latex?

Spindrift
01-23-2017, 02:44 PM
hi im merman yhan from the philippines. just recently i had made my ownnlatex tail but i just noticed that mold starts to appear on my tail. how can i prevent it and hoe can i avoid my tail on deforming. tnx

I'm pretty sure latex will break down in water no matter what without a sealant on it. I don't know how to fix it except maybe scrape or get rid of the affected area and re-apply the latex, then seal it. Maybe with the waterproof Monster Makers Sealant.

Spindrift
01-23-2017, 02:45 PM
Anyway, saw another thread asking about hanging/drying tails, here is my (new) solution, that accommodates my growing collection of tails! <3

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Spindrift
06-02-2017, 11:00 AM
Mermaid Kelda actually uses it in place of lube when getting her tail on. I don't think she's seen any adverse effects from it.


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TheMermaidQuintessence
06-04-2017, 04:22 AM
So, I'm getting a mertailor spellbound tail pretty soon, and if I'm reading this correctly, the best general cleaner for each use is to do a triple mixture of cool fresh water, White vinigar (to discourage mold), and baking soda ( to discourage chlorine damage). Is that correct? can I just use a third of each after each pool use, or so I have to mix them seperately, or is one used more often then the other? Also, If I used this method each time, is there still need for these special shampoos and such? Then every third use of so, after cleaning it, and the tail is dry (?) I should spray the entire thing over with some silicone spray lube protector, and let it sit (?).

Also, my Mer sister and I usually get in the sauna after a good swim. We thought it might help to bring the tails in with us, and use the pool noodles so the inside could get dry (after cleaning). We thought this would be better then using a blow dryer as we've seen other Mers do. Would a Sauna be useful? what temperature would one recommend we bring a fully wet tail into the sauna on. How long would this be useful, without damage. 10 minutes? 30? or like... would we want to wait till the tail is fully dry on the outside, or lightly damp or what?

XD Sorry I know this is alot of questions, I just fully plan to take ridiculously good care of this tail if I can :D Thank you!!

TheMermaidQuintessence
06-25-2017, 09:04 PM
Any responses would be helpful!! :D

Winged Mermaid
06-26-2017, 12:17 AM
So, I'm getting a mertailor spellbound tail pretty soon, and if I'm reading this correctly, the best general cleaner for each use is to do a triple mixture of cool fresh water, White vinigar (to discourage mold), and baking soda ( to discourage chlorine damage). Is that correct? can I just use a third of each after each pool use, or so I have to mix them seperately, or is one used more often then the other? Also, If I used this method each time, is there still need for these special shampoos and such? Then every third use of so, after cleaning it, and the tail is dry (?) I should spray the entire thing over with some silicone spray lube protector, and let it sit (?).

Also, my Mer sister and I usually get in the sauna after a good swim. We thought it might help to bring the tails in with us, and use the pool noodles so the inside could get dry (after cleaning). We thought this would be better then using a blow dryer as we've seen other Mers do. Would a Sauna be useful? what temperature would one recommend we bring a fully wet tail into the sauna on. How long would this be useful, without damage. 10 minutes? 30? or like... would we want to wait till the tail is fully dry on the outside, or lightly damp or what?

XD Sorry I know this is alot of questions, I just fully plan to take ridiculously good care of this tail if I can :D Thank you!!

It looks like all the Mertailor "spellbound" tails have "soft inside polyester spandex blend fabric" so.. I'm guessing neoprin. I know he used neoprin for a long time but may have changed the wording around since most people don't know what neoprin is, and because some aren't particularly fond of that material. I looked at some YouTube reviews and one reviewer said neoprene, but it appeared to be like the same neoprin he's been using for many years. (And most people don't know the difference). Once you get the tail you will be able to take a look at it and see if it's neoprene or neoprin. (If you have issues telling, feel free to post on the forum or PM me). Either way it's a partial silicone tail.

You don't want to mix baking soda and vinegar- use one or the other at a time :) If you want to use both, I would use the vinegar and water mixture first, then rinse it out well, then give it a baking soda bath/rinse. You will probably have to use more baking soda as any trace of vinegar still in there will mean the vinegar and baking soda will basically cancel each other out (ph wise). And you want it more alkaline so it will help neutralize the acidity of the chlorine.

Baking soda is used more often. A partial tail is more prone to mold issues in general than other tails (especially neoprin, it dries more slowly becuase of the space in the fabric). The acidity of the vinegar in a vinegar rinse helps destroy the bacteria that leads to mold, and it can help kill mold that is present. But drying it out properly is absolutely the most important thing to keep mold away. Standing it up and letting it dry out is the best way to do that. Some people use the wall racks or build a PVC rack (as in the original thread), some people just hang them over doors or whatever they can manage. You don't want to store the tail away (to sit for days or weeks or whatever) until it completely dry inside.

The silicone sprays are for the partial latex tails (old school, only one maybe two tailmakers even make them now, they're somewhat more common with self-made tails). You do not want to use any silicone based products on a silicone tail.

As for the sauna, I don't know what damage it would do or how long it takes. It depends on how hot it is and other factors, so I can't say for certain. Silicone is pretty durable stuff, more so when it comes to heat than any other kind of tail, but it's not indestructible. The fabric inside may be more prone to damage from heat than the silicone is. Do so at your own risk.
The silicone outside will dry pretty quickly, or you can just dry it easily with a towel. It's the inside fabric that are in those particular tails that is going to take the most time to dry. My guess is 30 minutes, even in a sauna, won't do it. When I had a partial latex tail from him, the neoprin took a few days to dry (sometimes even longer). And that was on a tail drying rack that my husband built for it.

In the end, you're going to have to get to know your own tail, and what works and doesn't work by experimenting a little. You have great base knowledge here, so work with that :)

Mermaid Bree
07-02-2017, 06:43 PM
Chlorine is actually an oxidizer - the Chlorine molecule is highly reactive (likes to bond to) organic material (such as certain fabric dye and organic fabrics). This is why it 'eats' things. The BEST way to neutralize this is to use good old hydrogen peroxide. When you rinse the fabric (tail), use a bucket and dump like 1/4 a bottle of the peroxide (drug store strength) in the water and slosh around for a few minutes. The peroxide reacts and produces salt NaCl and plain water H2O. At worst, a TINY amount of chlorine gas is produced, but is so minute as to be a mute point. THEN rinse again with clear water. This also works for neutralizing any laundry treated with bleach (NaOCl)

TheMermaidQuintessence
07-23-2017, 05:16 AM
wait so...not baking soda? I'm trying to come up with a stable method before my tail arrives. peroxide instead of baking soda? yes, no? X3

MermaidCrystall
07-27-2017, 04:24 PM
Help question! In my Mertailor sweetheart basic tail I've notices a small area where the silicone has started separating from the fabric. Which adhesive so I need to buy to repair it myself.

Winged Mermaid
07-28-2017, 05:17 AM
wait so...not baking soda? I'm trying to come up with a stable method before my tail arrives. peroxide instead of baking soda? yes, no? X3

Test it at your own risk. I haven't had time to fact check this, and I don't know of anyone who has actually used this on a tail. However, MANY mers have been using baking soda for extended periods without any ill effects.

Winged Mermaid
07-28-2017, 05:20 AM
Help question! In my Mertailor sweetheart basic tail I've notices a small area where the silicone has started separating from the fabric. Which adhesive so I need to buy to repair it myself.

I would advise contacting Eric and asking him. I'm not sure what he uses to bond the silicone to the neoprin. If I had to guess, I'd say SilPoxy or the GE caulking listed in the first post- but I am no expert. Again, I would HIGHLY advise contacting Eric first before trying to repair without any insight.

Winged Mermaid
03-02-2018, 06:25 AM
Bump: Added information and reformatted for easier reading.

Mermaid Avalynn
01-11-2019, 02:02 PM
Has anyone ever applied silicone to the tail tips and seams of a fabric tail. I know fin fun tails does something similar and was wondering if this was a smart way to DIY and make it not wear and tear as easily?

Mermaid Jaffa
01-11-2019, 07:27 PM
Has anyone ever applied silicone to the tail tips and seams of a fabric tail. I know fin fun tails does something similar and was wondering if this was a smart way to DIY and make it not wear and tear as easily?
Yes but it looks ugly. And the tail tips aren't as flowy if you got long tips.