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TheSolitarySiren
06-05-2013, 01:44 AM
As mermaids, drowning is probably something we don't know very well. Even to humans, it's a bit unknown. But it's a subject that needs to have some awareness, especially when at groups, parties, gatherings, ect. that have people who can at any moment be under the water's surface gasping for air. I recently came across an article on drowning and the signs to watch for when looking at other people. I wish to share this knowledge and hope you mermaids apply it to your daily swimming lives to save a few human lives.

What drowning is like or in other words Instinctive Drowning Response:


“Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled before speech occurs.
Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.
Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.
Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.
From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.”



This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble—they are experiencing aquatic distress. Not always present before the Instinctive Drowning Response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long—but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in their own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.


Signs of Drowning:

Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are in the water:

Head low in the water, mouth at water level
Head tilted back with mouth open
Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
Eyes closed
Hair over forehead or eyes
Not using legs—vertical
Hyperventilating or gasping
Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
Trying to roll over on the back
Appear to be climbing an invisible ladder


So if a crew member falls overboard and everything looks OK—don’t be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don’t look like they’re drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them, “Are you all right?” If they can answer at all—they probably are. If they return a blank stare, you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents—children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.

You can find the article here: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someon e_is_in_trouble_in_the.html

and read the man's short story of the nine-year-old almost drowning.

I've seen someone drown once and even though it wasn't ME drowning it still has scarred me to this very day. Every time I go to the pool, lake, or ocean, I'm always looking out for other kids that are swimming. I hope you all do too and help prevent drowning in your own way. I also would like to recommend people to get CPR certified. I've been CPR certified and have renewed my CPR multiple times. It's always great to know and keep that fresh in mind if there is ever a time and need.

How to CPR on Adults: http://www.wikihow.com/Do-CPR-on-an-Adult
How to CPR on Infants: http://www.wikihow.com/Do-CPR-on-a-Baby

malinghi
06-05-2013, 02:06 AM
Thanks for posting this. This is really important and useful info that could save a life.

Mizuko
06-05-2013, 04:13 AM
wow, the 'non-responsive' thing really surprised me. Thank you for posting this! I feel like I've learnt something very important!

Mermaid Nerinae
06-05-2013, 04:58 AM
http://greensboring.com/download/file.php?id=7457
This! Absolutely, this. I suggest we make it a sticky thread~! Thanks Siren!

MerAnthony
06-05-2013, 06:43 AM
WOW! I never knew. Thanks for posting.

Echidna
06-05-2013, 08:39 AM
This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble—they are experiencing aquatic distress. Not always present before the Instinctive Drowning Response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long—but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in their own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

well, good that's mentioned.
Otherwise one might go,
"there's a dude yelling his head off, waving and thrashing. Deffo not drowning, so he's ok" :p

Winged Mermaid
06-05-2013, 08:52 AM
Stickied! Thanks for posting it! I too feel I've learned something extremely important!

TheSolitarySiren
06-05-2013, 03:16 PM
well, good that's mentioned.
Otherwise one might go,
"there's a dude yelling his head off, waving and thrashing. Deffo not drowning, so he's ok" :p

I had the same response to this.


Stickied! Thanks for posting it! I too feel I've learned something extremely important!

Thank you. I'm glad it's important enough to be stickied. :)

Theobromine
06-05-2013, 05:21 PM
I'm really glad you posted this, it's important knowledge for anyone who swims. I believe movies and TV have given people an inaccurate image of what drowning actually looks like.

spottedcatfish
06-06-2013, 05:55 PM
Very interesting and incredibly useful.

Mermaid Shayna
06-06-2013, 06:30 PM
I saw this on Facebook and read it. I honestly thought drowning was like in the movies, so it never made sense to me how they wouldn't grab onto something. Now I realize they can't. This is why nobody should be in the water alone, not even in a boat. My sister's best friend drowned recently and she's still devastated, and she feels responsible because she didn't know he was going canoeing. If she'd known, she would have helped him and he'd be able to graduate with her...

Gem Stone
06-07-2013, 02:38 PM
I am glad this was posted. it's important that everyone know what drowning looks like. it's true that when drowning, your legs don't want to work. I can't remember mine moving at all, although my arms tried to thrash. I didn't know about the not being able to yell part, as I myself wasn't able to surface at all during the time. thank you for posting this information TheSolitarySiren

Mermaid Adriel
08-21-2013, 10:29 AM
Thanks for this! :) It can help me a lot!

Mermaid Cascada
08-21-2013, 10:36 AM
Yeah! Good job for posting this! It's very helpful and super important.

AptaMer
08-24-2013, 01:22 PM
Thought this video of a real case of a kid almost drowning and the rescue by a lifeguard might be helpful


http://youtu.be/00Iks81-ZV4 http://youtu.be/00Iks81-ZV4

Miyu
08-24-2013, 09:57 PM
Wow, this was really helpful, thanks!

Imogen Finnly
10-08-2013, 10:06 PM
WOW! this was really informative and important for someone to post! i'm glad someone got it out and informed us all! Its important for even mermaids to be aware of other mermaids and their safety! I think it scares me more if a mermaid were drowning in her tail! that would be just if not more horrifying..
I posted in another thread earlier in the week that I was almost drowned as a prank as a child and no one wanted to rescue me because the water was too cold... so I can identify with how horrifying and terrible it is. Its not something I would ever want to go through or wish on someone else. I heard that people can drown in just an inch of water. so its def. an important issue.

AptaMer
03-11-2014, 05:15 PM
Another good article on recognizing drowning situations & rescuing

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/family/2013/06/rescuing_drowning_children_how_to_know_when_someon e_is_in_trouble_in_the.html

Merman Chatfish
11-23-2014, 03:22 PM
When I train new lifeguards one video I show is http://www.yonigottesman.com/video/drowning_video/drowning_video.html, which really gets their attention (you won't believe how many lifeguards don't take guarding seriously). I find many videos I use at https://sites.google.com/site/lifeguardslovevideos/home. As part of being able to train lifeguards I can teach CPR if anyone is interested in learning and is near me (which is no one but figure I would still say it).

Merman Chatfish
11-23-2014, 08:33 PM
...so it never made sense to me how they wouldn't grab onto something. Now I realize they can't...

Sometimes they uncontrollably grab something and push it down to get themselves up. Sadly this can mean someone who is rescuing them. One of the things we train lifeguards is how to escape from choke holds in the event a swimmer try to push the guard down so they can get to the surface.

I'm not one to cuss but I did when I saw this video of an incident at a pool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgUglYhVSkk. It is hard to see exactly what happened but a lady had two children she was trying to keep above the surface, but in order to do that she had to submerge herself and she started drowning*. When the lifeguard got there she had lost her lifeguard tube. She started going under water herself since she didn't regain her tube before she connected with the three. Things could have been much worse however lifeguards are trained for these events and stay in control so if she needed to submerge she could.

Something that sometimes happens at pools is people (read adults) start to drown in 3 ft water at the bottom of the slide. They get disoriented and start to panic and drown not realizing the just need to stand up.

*a few years before I became a lifeguard I was swimming with some kids in my day camp, and one girl started to drown because it was really deep for her. I was already underwater when it started to happen and I pushed up her legs** to get her above water and towards the wall.

**a few years after I became a lifeguard I was teaching swim lessons and the kids were going off the diving board. One of my kids jumped out too far and hit me on my head. He knocked me underwater and I think I blacked out for a second. When I realized what happened my instinct was to find him but I couldn't see from the bubbles and couldn't feel him so I came back up to the surface. When I got to the surface I still couldn't see him and his mother was running over. When she got over to us she was much more worried about me. I turned around and found he grabbed my rescue tube and was just floating there and laughing.

Mermaid Jaffa
11-23-2014, 08:34 PM
What's even sadder is the fact that there were several kids going in just to look at him floating/sinking there. They didn't bother to get help or try to take him out of the pool. 8 mins of gawping at the drowned kid, then they go for help.

Merman Chatfish
11-24-2014, 06:59 AM
Well the kids probably thought he was playing. That lifeguard should have known very quickly, instead he had his back to the pool at some times

Princess Pearl
07-02-2015, 05:24 PM
On the subject of the dorsal, an extended dorsal is usually greater than 8 original rays so if you have more than that its usually a safe bet to say DT was crossed into the line somewhere.
Did I miss something?

Mermaid Jaffa
07-02-2015, 09:26 PM
Did I miss something?
Nope. Just someone trying to be smart with nonsense.

DragonflyFeri
09-13-2016, 01:28 AM
I think something that should be discussed is shallow water blackout. Especially considering most mers will practice freediving or long breath holding underwater.

Ayame
10-20-2016, 07:21 PM
Great info, more than my lifeguarding class covered. Kids do not flail their arms and yell for help if they're actively drowning, Red Cross! If they're distressed, yes. But the three times I've had to jump in, they were doggie paddling underwater and going nowhere. >.>

Melosyne
08-03-2017, 04:03 AM
This is a very good example of drowning in plain sight, because people (if they paid any attention at all...) misread the situation as playing. :(


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSOMgPjn1k

The boy was lucky and survived.

mermaid anastasia
08-03-2017, 10:28 AM
This is definitely something that should be taught in schools as a requirement in my opinion i can honestly say I never had a cpr class but I definitely think I will make plans to after seeing this

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Echidna
08-03-2017, 05:00 PM
That is painful to watch.
Serves as reminder that one shouldn't rely on guards to save someone who has blacked out, as in "if it really happens, the guards will pull me out when they see me drifting underwater", yea no.
That boy floated lifelessly submerged for almost 3 minutes.

fabianfrz
08-04-2017, 01:17 AM
Lifeguards can only help if they see someone having issues. Which may also mean that this camera is not monitored and this part may not be very visible to them (video looks dark).

Lucinda
02-08-2018, 05:50 AM
This is a very good example of drowning in plain sight, because people (if they paid any attention at all...) misread the situation as playing. :(


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSOMgPjn1k

The boy was lucky and survived.

Holy F**K! I just learned that this happened in my country! :jawdrop:

It would appear that this happened on January the 30th 2016 in a swimming hall in Helsinki, Finland. The mother of the child, an Estonian woman, apparently left her five-year old son in the children's pool while she went to the sauna with an adult, female friend. The friend also left her kid in the same pool. Whilst they were gone, the boy left the children's pool and made his way to the other pool where he nearly drowned (as seen in the video).

AptaMer
07-23-2018, 03:22 PM
Interesting story about how no one heard 2 children go to the bottom of a pool and pass out.

The kids were saved, though, because after the lifeguards did see the kids and pull them out, a nurse was there and knew how to revive them, even though one was unresponsive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/china/article-5982951/Drowning-siblings-unconscious-pool-brought-life-two-minutes-CPR.html

This correlates with what I saw in 1 of the 2 rescues I've had to do. The kid went to the bottom of a deep spot behind a sandbar without making a sound.