Merpalooza 2013- Keep us updated! Pics and stories plz!

[AniaR]

Since the other thread has so many pages and isn't just about what's happening this weekend. Here's a new one! Those of us who can't or didn't go wanna live vicariously. So if you're there, feel free to share photos and stories!

(side note, please let me know if you post merpalooza pics to deviantART so I can feature them in my group!)

[AniaR]

I've been sharing images I have found on fb through the mernetwork page!

Secret location shoot: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.650709228286253.1073741826.202397153117465&type=1

Christomers photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1401509876733492.1073741843.100006234781305&type=1

Mermaid Marla has been posting photos to her wall: https://www.facebook.com/mermaidmarla

[Mermaid Oshun]

Wow everyone looks like they are having so much fun! I love Caribbean Pearl! She's hamming it up as usual :lol:

[Ariadne]

Officially jealous! Next year for sure!:cool:

[AniaR]

:/ I'm glad these guys ARE having fun, but since making this thread I've had two vendors and several participants message me to tell me it's terrible :( Guess we'll have to see what people decide to post and share

[Mermaid Matanzas]

I just left there and took some pictures of Mertailor and Finfolk tails. 13472134731347413475

[Ashe]

So cool! Wish I could've gone! :O

[Spindrift]

Exciting!

[Mermaid Momo]

I hope that next year they'll pick another date for it ( hopefully sometime in the middle of the summer.) And hopefully I'll be able to go with an awesome tail!

[blenny]

Still waiting... looks like a ton of people went. I think i speak for many here that didnt go! Start posting and pics and sharing your experiences. Ive only been able to find 10 pics in scattered places.

[MermanJesse]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/mermaids-come-to-life-at-merpalooza-in-tampa/2135860

[NerineArcticMermaid]

That's my voice at the beginning of the video and I am featured in the article too! Under real name though Jennifer OBremski. WOOHOO. Visit my fb page for pics.. working on gathering images slowly... Event just ended so might be day or two before all pics are posted... SOme people are still traveling. I just got home at 6am today from florida... UBEr tired still

[AniaR]

I started a thread already for this ;) http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?5934-Merpalooza-2013-Keep-us-updated!-Pics-and-stories-plz! got some pics on it already too! :)

[MerEmma]

I just left there and took some pictures of Mertailor and Finfolk tails. 13472134731347413475

You sure that's a Finfolk tail? Looks a lot like a Mernation tail?

[WavyMermaidy]

You sure that's a Finfolk tail? Looks a lot like a Mernation tail?

Emma is correct...that's a MerNation tail on the right there :)

[AniaR]

more photos:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.603730392983000.1073741831.527134880642552&type=3

[Mermaid_Dominique]

Wish I could have gone too, it looks awesome!:eek:

[WavyMermaidy]

:/ I'm glad these guys ARE having fun, but since making this thread I've had two vendors and several participants message me to tell me it's terrible :( Guess we'll have to see what people decide to post and share

You know, I had a good time...and my hubby had fun too...and I'm glad we went (I mean, come on: it's a mermaid gathering! Any time that happens it's inherently awesome!) But on the other hand it wasn't my FAVORITE experience in the world, and there were definitely some disappointing aspects of it.

A lot of why I didn't LOVE it relates to organization/scheduling. I went last year, and I enjoyed it more last year...the facilities were bigger (there was one big room for th trade show), the pool was a little bigger and more private (and some kid who was there this year not associated with the convention pooped on the side of the pool...blech), there was more entertainment at the pool party, the scheduling was a LITTLE (read: teeny, tiny, smidgen-bit) more clear, etc. Above all else, that's my biggest beef...after a year to make scheduling better there's still no signage, schedules were still forthcoming on the website and never got posted, and the speakers' schedules weren't announced (and when I asked at the check-in they said speakers would "probably start around noon, but they'll probably start late"). The workshop I went to on Sunday probably had half the attendees it should have because people didn't know where it was going to be held and never found it...we heard about those folks later.

The rooms (there were 2) were really MUCH too small for the event...it was hard to maneuver, especially in the room with Mertailor's stuff b/c it took up the bulk of the room with lots of people wanting to take photos...I get it that he's a sponsor of the event, so that's great for him to have a big showcase...but the space was MUCH too small for that to happen the way it did...it was almost ridiculous. The other room (which also had lots of booths) had a REALLY tiny area for speakers (which again weren't really announced) and it was loud from the noise from people milling around. It was wedged in between a couple of vendor booths. And Carolyn Turgeon and Barbara Wynns plus Bonnie Georgiadis from Weeki Wachee and Lu Vickers who has co-written two books about Weeki were the speakers (at least the ones I got to see)...some really great mers that deserved a dedicated speaker time/space to be able to see and hear them.

At least LAST year there was a catwalk with a microphone...a dedicated "stage" space for speakers...not that there were many speakers last year, but they had the space for it (plus last year they had an EmCee who made announcements into the one big room, which was really helpful). There was also a small tail-maker forum on Friday, also in the small space, and it would be nice to have ALL the main tailmakers represented and have that be a really big part of the event (it was somewhat last minute and got started late).

Also this is kinda nit-picky but there was still no regulation about payment...they gave us hand stamps at the desk in the hall but there was no one REALLY checking..too many doors in and out...definitely no one checking at the pool party. So basically you could have just wandered into the trade show and the pool party without paying, and I guarantee people did...especially at the party. Just is a bummer to spend the 60 dollars for 2 people when we could have not paid (not that I would do that, but just saying) and gotten to do the same things. I don't mind paying for tickets if I know that it's regulated.

I'm not going to comment too much on the party b/c we didn't stay late. Hubby and I pretty much stayed to watch the pageant, chatted with some friends, and left not too long after. I didn't want to spend more money to be in the pageant, but I had some friends that did and they seemed to have fun. It was, as last year, fun to see all the different tails. Plus one of my mer-friends won International Mrs. Mermaid Queen :)

After having this for 2 years and MerCon, you'd think there would be more attention put into organization. It was great to see everyone gathered there and costumes and tails and personalities and meeting new people and reconnecting with friends...but without more organization, signage, itineraries, etc...it loses some of its potential magic.

So overall impression: it was fun but needs WAY more organization and space...also more speakers/forums, workshops, etc. Of course, it's all subjective...this is all just my personal opinion of it. Some people may have been there to mostly party and mingle, and they probably had a blast :)

[Mermaid Momo]

So what I got from your experience Wavy, was that they need to sort of have separate rooms for th speakers and presenters (like at an anime convention? Where the vendor and artist alley were separate from the room(s) where any type of speaking was going on) , and the speakers didnt have a mic? Also, the entrance and tickets weren't organized (my first thought was that a stamp wouldn't be see-able anyway. ) something like those water proof wrist straps you get at watermarks would or maybe tags like at other conventions that you hang around your neck that people stationed outside of the doors would be able to see a stop anyone who isn't wearing one (and the chance for their to be different art on it every year or something would be nice and a way to Remeber the event)

[Merman Arion]

more photos:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.603730392983000.1073741831.527134880642552&type=3

nice gallery Raina. we can do a lot of fun things with them hehehe ;)

(Forgive me, i couldn't resist...) :lol:

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[WavyMermaidy]

So what I got from your experience Wavy, was that they need to sort of have separate rooms for th speakers and presenters (like at an anime convention? Where the vendor and artist alley were separate from the room(s) where any type of speaking was going on) , and the speakers didnt have a mic? Also, the entrance and tickets weren't organized (my first thought was that a stamp wouldn't be see-able anyway. ) something like those water proof wrist straps you get at watermarks would or maybe tags like at other conventions that you hang around your neck that people stationed outside of the doors would be able to see a stop anyone who isn't wearing one (and the chance for their to be different art on it every year or something would be nice and a way to Remeber the event)

The speakers had a mic but it did little good because the bulk of the room was people milling around the booths :(

And yeah, the wrist straps or hanging tags would be a good idea...the vendors had tags similar to that but the attendees did not. And I like the idea of having artistic, almost commemorative tags :) I've never been to any other conventions other than MerPalooza, so it's nice to hear what some of the other ones are doing as far as logistics.

[Merman Arion]

OMG !!! That merman is very CUTE ! :D

http://media.tumblr.com/bc56a117f0999390d89ea8fa5cd2624c/tumblr_inline_mfdxtrYF7f1qlis6z.gif

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[AniaR]

Lmao french merman omg ahahahahahah I'm dying.


Yeah. I have heard from many people that the organizers weren't on the ball, that there were a few seedy things going on, and that it felt very clicky to many. Granted, this is all second hand information. I was NOT there. Just the feedback I've been hearing. The people I do know who DID have a really good time, seem to have done so because they organized their own meetups/events/photoshoots while there. It still looks to me like exactly what it was before. An unorganized tradeshow.

I feel like the community gave lots of suggestions last year and they had a whole year to plan, but planning didn't seem to start until June. That just doesn't work. They should be meeting next month to book the venue, start organizing sponsors way ahead of time, booking actual ACTS, panelists, and workshops, and yeah organization should be much better. I know that it's still getting off the ground, but it was a for profit event by actual event planners- not just people from the community.

I wish I was in a position to organize something. I think years of managing kids and running things has taught me a lot the hard way, but who would fly out to Canada hahaha ;)

Anyway, I'm glad people are happy, but I sincerely hope the people I have spoken to who are not happy will voice their experiences and concerns. I heard some shocking stuff that isn't really my place to say and will most certainly cause drama, so it's really in everyone's best interest if the actual people involved are the ones to post.

Keep sharing the photos anyway! I love seeing Christomer all done up haha!

[MerEmma]

The speakers had a mic but it did little good because the bulk of the room was people milling around the booths :(

And yeah, the wrist straps or hanging tags would be a good idea...the vendors had tags similar to that but the attendees did not. And I like the idea of having artistic, almost commemorative tags :) I've never been to any other conventions other than MerPalooza, so it's nice to hear what some of the other ones are doing as far as logistics.

You should seriously look into MegaCon, Wavy, it's amazing with everything they do there (although I'm not sure if you're into anime/sci-fi/geek/general costuming). It's also by the sound of it a lot more organized than MerPalooza, haha.

It sounds like an all right time though...I'm really enjoying the pictures and if I hadn't had my final swim meet of the season (which was amazing anyway!) I would've tried to get my mum to take me. =P

[Merman_Ryan]

Still feel mixed about going but I'm glad people had fun :)

[Mermaid Momo]

The speakers had a mic but it did little good because the bulk of the room was people milling around the booths :(

And yeah, the wrist straps or hanging tags would be a good idea...the vendors had tags similar to that but the attendees did not. And I like the idea of having artistic, almost commemorative tags :) I've never been to any other conventions other than MerPalooza, so it's nice to hear what some of the other ones are doing as far as logistics.
un, I was really hoping they'd do art tags where the community wild be able to vote for them (like anime cons) because usually the community knows what they want and I've known people who hated badge art so much that they didnt even want to be seen with it (I love badge art good or bad because I collect all my badges. I can look at them and see all the changes in whats popular over the years) Another good thing about the badges is that it's a spotlight for artists I the community. Usually people don't get paid for them, your art is his put in the badge along with your name and URL. But you reach so many people with just that. And I they laminate them, people could swim with them on invade there is a surprise badge check for people at the pool party or sit them near the pool and not wory about get of them wet.

Last year did they set up something for feedback and suggestions? Like a google document or an email just for that? I think they should do something like that this year.

also, how did you know about programming? When you want through registration, did they give you a pamphlet or booklet with the schedule and where they wet happening? Or where there just posters?

(sorry about mistakes I'm using mobile)

[WavyMermaidy]

also, how did you know about programming? When you want through registration, did they give you a pamphlet or booklet with the schedule and where they wet happening? Or where there just posters?

Nope that's what they needed, a pamphlet/itinerary to give everyone. There weren't even any posters around...all I had to go by was what all was posted on the website (which wasn't complete) and by asking around to people who I knew to be somewhat in charge.

And Emma, my niece is very into cons and has gone to some great ones and told me about them...although I don't think she's been to MegaCon. But they sound pretty cool...I know she has a blast!

[AniaR]

Honestly, when I spoke with one of the organizers, Scott, (and I have all the messages should anyone need to see) he made it pretty clear he "knew what was best" for the community, and certainly wasn't interested in what the mermaids had to say. Several others have relayed to me that they had the exact same experience.

I want to make it clear, I don't expect a perfect convention, I don't expect it to be huge either. But I do expect it to improve. I expect the organizers to be more than respectful to the community, and to actually listen to them. They may not be able to reach all our expectations but they should at least consider what the community wants, since the community is paying for it, and theyd make more of a profit if they did.

I am thinking we should after everyone has time to reflect, make a new thread for all our suggestions with actual tangible ways they can be carried out, for the next one.

I had a lot of people asking me to go, and I did submit a proposal for doing a workshop on running birthday parties and working with kids, but Scott didn't think people would be interested in that. Maybe another year. I just can't justify spending all that money for something still so unorganized. I'd much rather visit Florida on my own schedule and see my own friends at a meetup or something.

[Mermaid Momo]

I had a lot of people asking me to go, and I did submit a proposal for doing a workshop on running birthday parties and working with kids, but Scott didn't think people would be interested in that. Maybe another year. I just can't justify spending all that money for something still so unorganized. I'd much rather visit Florida on my own schedule and see my own friends at a meetup or something.
That's what I thought they would do (accept submissions for workshop ideas from the people who would like to do them. If I went,I would've loved to go to a workshop like that! And I'm sure other mers would like it too. I've just wondered now and again where their interest in hosting an event like this came from (like are they a part of the community and wanted to do an event to meet everyone or are they just in it for the money and publicity?). I think one of the main problems is like what you described, they think they know what everyone wants without actually asking or looking at what is going on in the community.
I think the second idea thread would be amazing!

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Ok. Im going to put my 2 cents in as a vendor. I agree things were not on task. The Charity auction was crap. No on knew when it was or even after the fact if anyone even won the items. Im left with a $500 painting of Hogan as Poseidon that I cannot sell for profit. Very disappointed. Also Due to "drama" with Scott Pooler. I was left out of all pictures for the event page. I was a vendor right next to Mermaid creations booth. Everytime he came by to snap photos.. he walked right by me while giving me dirty looks which I gave right back. Imnot happy with a lot of things. I was left out in the pool after the News crew promo when a BAD storm came up and we had to move the Tail talk indoors. I had to quickly dis-tail and run inside drenched. NO towel nothing... I was freezing. I was left out of the tail talk because someone said I was taken care of when in reality I was left standing in a bikini dripping wet in the a/c. By the way the storm had tornado warnings and was really really bad... the other mers were carried inside.. My vendor space kept getting moved and shoved to the other room when I had requested to be set up next to jesse. So I had a table area staked out and had to get dressed for the news promo. after which I go get my stuff and find someone set up in my area and no where left. I had to leave my stuff in a corner til the morning. In a room that had non vendors milling around in that should not have been let in. When the trade show ended they went right into the pagent and "awards" I ended up missing that since I had to tear down since they left the room open. Was not about to leave my art out for someone to steal. so by time I got done and ran to room to get dressed I missed everything. PLus they started talking about the auction.... barely got my painting mentioned ... I assumed since it was Hogan that it was to be the main piece for the charity. Not even. I had more fun with outside events with christomer than the actual event. I did break even on travel cost. I got some decent press. Featured in Tampa Bay times. And included in the Fox 13 News promo which Im still trying to get a copy or even se since we were busy when it aired. I will be hard pressed to go again unless some serious changes occur. Too many things were not done right and certain people made my experience before the event dreadful.

[AniaR]

Eric and I were emailing and he said someone tried to steal his stuff too :/

Sorry you had that experience babe :(

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Yeah that's What Matty told me. Hence why I did not want to leave my stuff unguarded. But Christomer Made it way better.. PLus during the promo for Fox News 13.. I got to talk to the cutrest little girl.. I learned that she "walks" around on "Petes" LOL.. Watch the video for the Tampa Bay Times. Before Kylee starts talking you can hear me talking to her about her "petes" :D The secret photoshoot was the best. Christomer is an amazing photographer... he made me look fantastic.. even though he did post my goofy faces too lol!

[Mermaid Oshun]

I just looked at Mertailor's photos and I know a lot of money was spent on this. However, somehow it still comes across as really campy and kind of tacky in the photos.

[AniaR]

I'm curious too, how did the international mermaids work? I noticed Kylee is still after 3 years the international mermaid??? I know they flew Marie down last minute- she got next to NO acknowledgement last year. So I am hoping she did better this year.

[Joy&RaptorsUnrestrained!]

Honestly, when I spoke with one of the organizers, Scott, (and I have all the messages should anyone need to see) he made it pretty clear he "knew what was best" for the community, and certainly wasn't interested in what the mermaids had to say. Several others have relayed to me that they had the exact same experience.

I want to make it clear, I don't expect a perfect convention, I don't expect it to be huge either. But I do expect it to improve. I expect the organizers to be more than respectful to the community, and to actually listen to them. They may not be able to reach all our expectations but they should at least consider what the community wants, since the community is paying for it, and theyd make more of a profit if they did.

I am thinking we should after everyone has time to reflect, make a new thread for all our suggestions with actual tangible ways they can be carried out, for the next one.

I had a lot of people asking me to go, and I did submit a proposal for doing a workshop on running birthday parties and working with kids, but Scott didn't think people would be interested in that. Maybe another year. I just can't justify spending all that money for something still so unorganized. I'd much rather visit Florida on my own schedule and see my own friends at a meetup or something.

What is it about conventions that attracts know-it-alls?

For your proposed future convention, Raina, some of the ideas for that old thread you made offering ideas for Princess Kae-Leah involving mer-meetup events and activities that could be performed indoors and out of the water might be worth thinking about. http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?2071-Planning-Events-to-be-Inclusive-%28warning-may-cause-drama%29&highlight=karaoke

[NerineArcticMermaid]

apparently in the pagent world you retain your title forever.... you just give up the crown.

[Mermaid Momo]

Ok. Im going to put my 2 cents in as a vendor. I agree things were not on task. The Charity auction was crap. No on knew when it was or even after the fact if anyone even won the items. Im left with a $500 painting of Hogan as Poseidon that I cannot sell for profit. Very disappointed. Also Due to "drama" with Scott Pooler. I was left out of all pictures for the event page. I was a vendor right next to Mermaid creations booth. Everytime he came by to snap photos.. he walked right by me while giving me dirty looks which I gave right back. Imnot happy with a lot of things. I was left out in the pool after the News crew promo when a BAD storm came up and we had to move the Tail talk indoors. I had to quickly dis-tail and run inside drenched. NO towel nothing... I was freezing. I was left out of the tail talk because someone said I was taken care of when in reality I was left standing in a bikini dripping wet in the a/c. By the way the storm had tornado warnings and was really really bad... the other mers were carried inside.. My vendor space kept getting moved and shoved to the other room when I had requested to be set up next to jesse. So I had a table area staked out and had to get dressed for the news promo. after which I go get my stuff and find someone set up in my area and no where left. I had to leave my stuff in a corner til the morning. In a room that had non vendors milling around in that should not have been let in. When the trade show ended they went right into the pagent and "awards" I ended up missing that since I had to tear down since they left the room open. Was not about to leave my art out for someone to steal. so by time I got done and ran to room to get dressed I missed everything. PLus they started talking about the auction.... barely got my painting mentioned ... I assumed since it was Hogan that it was to be the main piece for the charity. Not even. I had more fun with outside events with christomer than the actual event. I did break even on travel cost. I got some decent press. Featured in Tampa Bay times. And included in the Fox 13 News promo which Im still trying to get a copy or even se since we were busy when it aired. I will be hard pressed to go again unless some serious changes occur. Too many things were not done right and certain people made my experience before the event dreadful.
That is just disrespectful. I myself, even though I'm not as great an artist as you would expect more from anything I would attend. Moving someone's vendor space without ANY notification is just plain rude and disrespectful and to me, says that the coordinators didnt respect the fact that you took time out of your kid to be there and they don't value you as much as the big tail makers, or who ever they just let squat at your original table. And they left you out in the pool? Alone? No one even thought "oh! There was on more mer, I'd best go bring her inside!"?And then to just continue the shoot? I'm sorry, but I'm just in disbelief right now. Even at my young age, I understand that it's rude to leave someone out of a shoot that they really wanted to be in it and to leave her in a storm alone? Sound like a ditch attempt to me. I really hope next year things'll get better in the planning side of things.

Did they have volounteers helping out? Like tending to the vendors or patrolling the halls? Or maybe working registration?

[shimmygoddess]

Several of my NC merfolk pod went and I heard the same thing from a few of them about it being disorganized. Loving all the photos posted though and jealous I could not go..LOL

[Mermaid Momo]

apparently in the pagent world you retain your title forever.... you just give up the crown.
I've never heard of that. But even if that's true, maybe they can give the new winner more screen time ? Like on the website or something? Because she's always been listed on their website. Who won this year?

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Dunno. Christomer won Mer-King though. I missed it because I was doing tear down. THey just went right into the next thing... I love the NC merfolk! If it hadn't been for Christomer and his group I would have just gone home. I will be hard pressed to attend this event again. I even requested contractrs to assure my tables and the situation with the painting. Never got them. Only excuses. Ive kept quiet about my displeasure all this time. NOT anymore. Sick and tired of being a door mat even after all I have tried to do for this event. And Scott Pooler. I know your reading this. MY lawyer still have the paperwork handy. So go ahead and have another drunk fb messanger session. See how fast I slap a lawsuit for slander/libel down. EDit: My bad.. I was informed he wasn't drunk when he had word vomits on fb messanger. Gee I think it makes that worse.

[Mermaid Momo]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/3dfeebfa370a10822fd3f6bdedcfd874/tumblr_mfeygbsKJD1ra9e5io1_500.gif

[Mermaid Momo]

You know, I've always wanted to start a small convention here and my parents always said "why not " because after all AZ is always good to swim in and you don't have to worry about any storms coming or clouds of it not being hot enough to go swimming. I just don't think many people would come out since most mers and tail making companies are based in Florida.and then there's that money issue lol

[blenny]

Well thats the third year in a row it sounds disorganized and clicky. There are just so many people in these forums, maybe someone here should go for it and create a Mer-Con or get together that involved good ideas and didnt make people feel left out. You could basically get forums suggestions all year to plan it.

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Tried so hard to make this work. I took everything you guys said a related it to steph Sims but I don't know. . Sorry guys I did try. I think I'm out of this game. I could write a wall of text on this whole situation. Most of it involving our fav person

[Anahita]

It's so sad to hear all this stuff went on behind the scenes (and sometimes right out in the open).

I was sad that I couldn't go (All my money is being diverted elsewhere currently) but on the other hand, hearing the drama and lack of structure in regards to the organizer... I dunno, that definitely makes me feel better about not having gone, but I don't like to feel better about not going because other people didn't enjoy it as much as they should have been able to!

I really wish I could help organize a convention out here in California. We have LOADS of beautiful venues, from convention centers to hotels, all on or near the beach/ocean... And our weather (at least in SoCal) is beautiful year round. It'd be the perfect place for a mermaid gathering, but sadly, I don't have the personal finances to even initiate something like this. :(

[Mermaid_Dominique]

I'm curious too, how did the international mermaids work? I noticed Kylee is still after 3 years the international mermaid??? I know they flew Marie down last minute- she got next to NO acknowledgement last year. So I am hoping she did better this year.

I might be wrong but I saw a post of the Mertailor and two of his mermaids won international mermaid apparently, mermaid Ashlynn (adult) and mermaid Paige (children).

[Mermaid Momo]

I might be wrong but I saw a post of the Mertailor and two of his mermaids won international mermaid apparently, mermaid Ashlynn (adult) and mermaid Paige (children).
You're right.
I think the main reason no mer has created an event like this is because of money. It takes money to rent the venue and hotel block even before the event even happens and it's not certain that you'll make all of that money back.

[Spindrift]

Eh, in real pageants, former titleholders can still use the title as long as their year of service is included (since it is actually part of the title). Ex: International Mermaid 2011. Miss USA 2008. Miss America 2010. Normally, they're also not allowed to use their titles without the permission of their main overarching organization (so that the organization doesn't end up accidentally supporting a group or interest they don't want to, ex: Miss Whatever 2007 eats at Crabshack Ohio, you should too!). I still don't know how the mermaid pageant works though. I get that it is a 'legitimate pageant', but I only have experience with the main systems and don't know much about the standalone ones.

It's too bad about the convention though. I'm planning and directing a small festival up here in NY on my own for a different cause and it has so far been warmly accepted and supported. I wouldn't mind sharing my experiences along the way.

[Ariadne]

My husband would be perfect for this kind of thing - one of his last jobs in the military was coordinating an annual convention for the Army in Ft. Walton beach...he organized room blocks, the ballroom, the entertainment, the catering and the vendors. And he is very detailed, everything always ran smoothly. But he did have a military account set up and a budget to work with. No idea how he would be able to do it for us mers without that...

[AniaR]

yeah but money- isn't that what sponsors are for? If it's a "for profit" event, I don't get why there are sponsors....

[Ariadne]

True. No idea how they designed that to work. Also, why would someone not in the mer-community be in charge of the whole thing? Especially someone who rejects ideas and suggestions from the very people the event is designed to cater to...very odd.

[MermanJesse]

Yes, we were checking hand stamps and watching the double doors by the pool. My booth was right at the double doors at the pool. Me and Kyle(Mermaids R Us) were watering the double doors.

There were wrist bands, and the intention was to use them, but it was determined by Scott that there may not be enough. (There would have been enough. Bad decision by him.) Gary bought dark blue and light blue silicone bands. Dark blue for adults and light blue for kids, and they glow in the dark. Kids would have loved them.

A lot of the "drama" was the fact that someone was in charge who should not have been in charge. I know the full story, and I am not at liberty to spill the beans.

I had an absolute blast swimming with everyone, and talking with everyone who came around to my booth.

This is the second installation, please give it a chance. MerPalooza will get better.

Vendor set up took place on Friday... (my suggestion to Steph!!) and prevented confusion on Saturday morning.

The problem with the pageant was.... The person who thought he was in charge, did not give direction, or have anyone out there setting up until everyone was out there.

Gary (Merman Jr), the Owner and creator of MerPalooza sat out on the planning this year.

I have offered myself and Mertender Dennis to be on the planning comity for MP2014. Hopefully Steph and Gary take me up on the offer. Dennis is very detail oriented, and already have a few ideas.

[AniaR]

SO merpalooza, thanks for freaking encouraging art theft. Guess I shouldn't expect anything different????
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.604411189581587.1073741834.527134880642552&type=1


Reposted from the page that originally posted them where there are several of my tail including one photoshopped to blue: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.639277212756907.1073741832.190964047588228&type=1


Pardon my language, but not fucking impressed. I have legal stock people can purchase for this type of thing, and I do offer some for free for use on art websites, and outside of art websites given certain specifications and terms (obviously credit would be one)

[AniaR]

And in my opinion, if you weren't paid to work for merpalooza, you shouldn't have had the responsibility of checking squat.

[Arella]

I saw that on fb and just thought, ...that isnt Raina in the photo... it's terrible that someone would steal your images :confused:

[Mermaid Momo]

And in my opinion, if you weren't paid to work for merpalooza, you shouldn't have had the responsibility of checking squat.
Same thing I was thinking. Sounds like you were vendors who were paying THEM to be there. They need to get their own volounteers for the event.

[AniaR]

I'm pretty pissed, and merpalooza should know better than to endorse that

[Miyu]

Nerine: That sucks. Like, so hardcore. I haven't known you long, but I've been watching you get ready for this and I know how much work you put in, just to be kind of ignored... I'm so sorry. That was terribly douche-y of them to just leave you out there, there's no reason for that! I am glad I got to see you on TV, all your photos look great (even the silly faces, I love those :D), and I'm glad you and Christomer had a good time (and he got crowned Mer-king, awesome!!!)

Raina: I PM-ed you about this, but I AM SO SORRY. I know this "artist" personally, and this is kind of to be expected from her. I'm kind of mortified now. Not that we were ever friends, but I'm so embarrassed I know this girl and she stole your work and on top of that, it's a horrible photoshop job with an overabundance of "sparklies". OMG I'm sorry. As if we couldn't identify your fluke from a mile away...

[Spindrift]

It's not even a good photomanip :\
Eh, it sucks that there are reasons to why I am so against posting my own photos online :(

[Mahi Mermaid]

THIS is exactly why I didn't go this year. I almost thought about it, just to give them the benefit of the doubt. But last year was horrible, this year seemed horrible. Honestly the only people that seemed to have any fun and stock in the whole event were the people I would have went with NCMerfolk!...if they hadn't gone, seems to me like there really wouldn't have been an event....I gave a lot of feedback last year for how to better organize this year. I didn't pay for tickets last year either, no one did (who hadn't already prepaid online)...there was no organization...and it was WAY too clique!! Everyone stays in their "pods" and no on really gets together to "meet and greet"...it's sad really. we're such a small community, you would think this sort of convention would be welcoming...but nope!

[NerineArcticMermaid]

For the Record. I was NEVER asked to leave. You should check your facts. The proper people have been contacted regarding your statements. The details of my vendor booth were confidential and still are since you do not have the facts correct. As to the Facebook conversation.. (I have screen caps and it saved) You did indeed slander me by the sheer fact of dragging my reputation through the mud by accusing me of acts I did not do. You will be served with a cease and desist order. I will be contacting my lawyer to serve you with paper this week. This is the last time I will respond to you or your accusations. I will be blocking your accounts on all social media forums. Do not attempt to contact me further. Do not mention my name or performer name in any online or other wise content.

[Stephanie Sims]

Yes, We need to have more input and hands on deck. Organization on the outside was there (in theory) but the heat got to everyone. *We have gotten VERY GOOD FEEDBACK and advice. Learned some things to definitely do, and things to do differently...next time. Thank you. :)

[AniaR]

Scott I'd be happy to repost your comments about us mermaids to jog your memory. How about all that free work neriene did for you from the start? Fact is, people were unhappy with the event they have every right to post their experiences and observations here. You don't get to come bully people into silence. Your reaction shows me you aren't interested in the community. Defensive unopen.

[Ariadne]

And why is someone who is not in the mer-community and who isn't interested in mers even on mernetwork? Confused.

[AniaR]

The thing is, no one expects the event to be perfect or meet all the expectations. We do expect respect toward the community. The previous mer-cons have burned so many bridges with the community. You'd think you guys would make it your #1 priority! No ones saying you didn't work hard, but focus is not on the areas where it should be, and from the sounds of it none of the suggestions from last year were given consideration. I have heard from so many vendors and big name sponsors with complaints, it's ridiculous. Big time community people and vendors are totally turned off and wont consider doing it again. If you want to make *money* stop arguing with the people who work their butts off in the community, and start planning for next year.

And it seems you used a lot of my suggestions I made this year anyway, despite the nasty stuff said about me when I simply asked you to post the rules on the group page so I wouldn't accidentally break them by sharing what I thought was relevant to the event/community. But you know, loads of photos of unrelated gasprilla events, and art theft totally take priority. :/

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Thank you Raina.

[OrcaMatt]

yeah but money- isn't that what sponsors are for? If it's a "for profit" event, I don't get why there are sponsors....Meh, sponsors just want the exposure and are willing to pay for it, and for the organizers it's just another revenue stream to defray costs and make that profitability more possible.

[Merman Dan]

We do expect respect toward the community.

That sounds like a good mission statement for Mer-Palooza 2014. :)

[Miyu]

I for one would like to see what has been said about the mer-community... Since I'm new I'm not so in-the-loop yet, and I know I'm not informed enough to form a solid opinion.

From what I hear, though, it was a respect issue. That stuff with Nerine's painting, and Raina's art theft, are bullcarp. Here's my two cents on what I *do* know and how I feel about it.

I was looking forward to seeing Nerine in photos more than I was at seeing models with Raina's tail photoshopped on. I think you've got your priorities wrong in what you thought us mers wanted to see. The general public wants to see models, most mers would rather see someone we know, who isn't a typical model. Nerine and Raina are an inspiration to some of us who maybe aren't in the best health, or the typical model body type, and I would much rather see them included in more media - the world needs to see that all mermaids aren't the media-prescribed high standards of beauty, and that kind of thinking needs to stop being perpetuated in general. Shame on you.

And as for what you said to Raina about the photos before both the artist and you pulled them down (thank you)... You said, very bluntly, "Speak to the artist who created the images." The *correct* response would have been either to a)not post the photoshopped photos, either because you recognized the fluke (which you would if you were a part of the mer-community), or because the photos were supposed to have been taken at Merpalooza, not taken there then photoshopped a lot with someone else's tail; or b)take them down instead of trying to take the blame off of yourself.

The big deal about the tail issue is... when it comes to more involved tails, beyond a simple patterned commercial fabric tail, the tail becomes very unique to the individual. It's their calling card, we can tell each other apart by tails. At the same time, no matter how basic of a fabric tail it is, it's still YOUR tail, and we accept everyone's tails, no matter the amount of money spent on it or amount of time put into it or how new someone may be to sewing, crafting, or tailmaking... They're all beautiful, and unique, and no-one should feel the need to change anything about their tail through photomanipulation, other than maybe a little blending, but I've never seen anyone down someone for not photoshopping the "fade" into the waist or hiding "flaws" or anything.

[Merley]

Raina: Can you post pics of the photoshopped tail? The pics were pulled before I got a chance to see.

MermanJesse: Did you meet Sandy while you were there? Supposedly she runs mermaidsrus and I've had a hard time getting any straight answers from her regarding my tail.

[AniaR]

I hadn't even seen the reply about my stolen works- which btw the photographer totally admitted. When you're confronted by a member of the community about your posting their stolen work, you remove it from your page. Since you POSTED it. This isn't even the first time this has been an issue. :/ Just that very attitude alone should speak volumes to the community IMO. Glad to see it's been removed finally, shouldn't have to deal with ANY attitude when I bring it to your attention.

[NerineArcticMermaid]

@Moonlight. THank you for your support. It means the world to me! @Raina.. I spoke to stephanie and made her aware of the art issue.

[Finfolk Productions]

We'd just like to verify that we did not have any tails on display at the event. There was only one Finfolk tail at Merpalooza this year and it was worn by ChristomMer Starfish. We are hoping to be present next year though. :)

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Apparently i think certain persons issue with me stems from my adacity of portraying Hulk Hogan as Posideon. Yeah. I got a nasty fb private message about it and prompt banning from the group after he removed my admin status and Removed the progress shot I posted of the painting which had been discussed by Stephanie and I as a piece for the Charity Auction. She gave me the go ahead to do the piece in the first place. I left it up to her to get proper permissions. I am also unable to comment or post on the fan page as my human self or mermaid persona. He contined to berate me even after i stopped responding. Spewing lies and falsities at me. I have screen caps of it all. I dont know where he recevied his info but I was accused of backstabbing Stephanie Sims and all other such nonsense which was nto really his business in the first place but one such idiodicy was being accused of beggin for rides to the events... Including Mercon. Umm.. AS many can vouche. I have a car. I drove myself to Merpalooza last year and this year. When it was in Vegas. I had plane tickets.. even had a driver secured to get me around in my home town. Never once asked for a ride except for a lift from the Meet and greet at the Barnes and Noble over to the Silverton which eventually I got picked up by my driver. So where does this begging for rides come into play? THis year.. Only thing I ever said about going was that I was waiting for fundage to come in so I could go. I can prove my points. Can he prove his. Not likly. AS anyone here can also vouch and look at my post history. I have done nothing but try to keep this event going by doing what I could to alievate any negative comments and solve issues. All mind you for FREE. Never was paid to help out. Nont once in the 3yrs I have been involved with this event. I want this idea to work. But with certain someone at the helm and turning the mermaid community away, harrasing members and ignoreing what the community at large wants. I see this failing fast. Im willing to stick it out and help where and when I can. I donated a $500 painting that has over 40hrs of work in it to help a charity out. I did the same with several paintings at Mercon. Even tried to help with my art last year. Being accused of getting freebies. Oh so mature. Stephanie and I had a deal worked out. It was between THe owner of Merpalooza and I.. not anyone else. Niether her or I should have to defend ourselves for that. THe painting was donated for the con without anyother compesatin. My supplies are not cheap. One tube of paint can run $10. THe board alone was $30. I could go on and on but I think I made my point and nothing he says will bother me. I know the truth. Stephanie knows the truth and You all, who matter more to me than he does...knows me better than to beleive his lies. I will not be bullied by what is clearly an internet troll. He could not bring me down at the event and he will not now. I made my own bright moments at the event. Children smiled when they spoke to me. THAT was worth all the stress he has caused me for the last few months. I am a mermaid. I do it for the kids. I do it for myself.

[Merman Dan]

We are hoping to be present next year though.

Outstanding! :) I hope to be clad in my red drum Finfolk tail at Mer-Palooza 2014.

[Mermaid Kelda]

I am a mermaid. I do it for the kids. I do it for myself.
Wonderfully stated, Nerine. That's all that matters!

[shimmygoddess]

Raina, you had every right to call that out! I am a professional photographer too and have had my pics stolen and found them used on other peoples sites and even on Alibaba advertising bellydance costuming. You have to call people out. I see alot of clip art on deviant where you can use fake tails to attach to a person and have even used them myself, however the artist made them for that reason. As a photographer I cannot grasp the fact they stole images of your tail and photoshopped it. Especially if they are a 'professional'. It is an insult and they should be ashamed. I personally was not at all impressed with the quality of work either. Did they think noone would notice or perhaps care? Geez! Sorry that happened

[Stephanie Sims]

Hi, Mer Family.

Okay...I have not been posting much, as you all may know...but I do want to clear up a few things, starting here first with the subject of borrowed images on the MerPalooza fb page. Raina, I can totally relate to how you must have felt seeing your tail on the fan page of MerPalooza. Let me explain.

In short: A local modeling group, whose business model is to connect member photographers and models to bring them jointly in on exciting photoshoot opportunities, approached us. They asked for permission to do their "monthly cool photoshoot" at MerPaloooza. For them, it was a hot event to share the spotlight of. For us, it was more fabulous activity happening for/at the event, more to offer the attendees who wanted to join in and get modeling portfolio type shots taken. There was not profitability.

In speaking yesterday with the leader of this modeling group, she explained to me that she did not, in some cases, achieve the looks she wanted and/or in some cases, certain models did not end up schedule-wise being able to get their photos done with tail, etc. So she improvised tails on photos. She told me she just did quick Google searches for the images and, from what I understand, Merbella's images of the "gold mermaid tail" came up...and she used them. This lady, not being familiar with the Mer community, had no knowledge of Merballas or Raina. She simply found an image she needed for her photos. She had no knowledge of how close-knit this community of ours is...and that we look out for each other and how closely things like identifiable tails and images are guarded, as they relate to our persona's.

So, Raina noticed the pics, wrote to us on the fan page publicly. Scott, who manages the fan page, suggested that those offended contact the artist, as he/we/I had no way of knowing immediately exactly how any violation was occurring. Understanding the situation better after talking to the artist, we removed the images. The last thing anyone wants to do is violate "copyrighted" property or cause upset. Please know, that when this photographer/artist puts her name on her images, from our perspective, we could only think that her work was truly her own. And yes, she should have used stock images or asked permission to take creative liberties. And no, we do NOT support theft of images. Being a p.r. related and photography-related business ourselves, we feel for your concerns...and agree.

The web site (ours) and facebook pages, especially this week, are getting hundreds of thousands of hits per day...But I/we gave our attention to it as soon as the situation was made clearer. :) It's only through communication like this that we all win. Please remember, I am behind the pages being a great reflection of what we do, and yes, respect of what we all have built.

Hugs,

Stephanie

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Figures...

[AniaR]

I just disagree with how this was handled, because I am also a professional photographer and model outside of being a mermaid. And even outside of the mercommunity, it's never okay for 1) a photographer to use google images in their work, EVER. This is not a mermaid community thing, this is an everyone who works professionally thing and she runs a business. That's what stock images are for- which is what she should have went to right away if she didn't get what she wanted (it's ironic because she could have legally obtained images of my tails) She should *know* that, it's one of the very basics, of working in the photo industry. 2) Any business should respond with removing art theft when being contacted by the original owner of the work. That has nothing to do with the mermaid community either. Scott didn't "share" the photos from the original page, he uploaded them again- which meant me having to file secondary copyright notices. Had there been ANY monetary gain from the use of my work, merpalooza would be held liable for ignoring my request to remove it when given the information. I appreciate that you didn't know it wasn't her work, but the second Scott was informed, his response should not be "take it up with them." that would make him liable in court. Though obviously, I'm not going to take anyone to court over my images being mis-used on FB, just a thought that needs to be given some consideration. I'm sure Scott thinks this is fairly "diva" of me based on him using the term before when I asked for respect, but this is fairly normal expectations outside of the mercommunity. It just makes it worse that it went on IN the mercommunity.

I appreciate you coming in trying to clear it up and set things straight with me, but it was handled poorly, the excuses don't really cut it, and I don't agree that it's a mercommunity thing only because we're tight knit. Mermaid tails aside, my partner and I work very hard to create our images with or without a mermaid tail, and I would be acting 100% the same way (and always have) if another group decided to photomanipulate my work without my consent.

[NerineArcticMermaid]

and yet the issue of him slandering me is still left hanging. Nice. Makes me so glad I defended this event tooth and nail for the last year.

[Merman Arion]

Raina... this person (Cookie Ramirez) is also using your pictures without your permission i'm guessing :(

https://www.facebook.com/groups/184791848218253/?fref=ts

http://www.gofundme.com/3xz4sw

[NerineArcticMermaid]

oh geez not her again.. Cookie is a thorn in my side. She has been told numerous times about image theft and thinks just because you serach for images on google they are free.

[The Harlem Mermaid]

Hello French Merman, I just joined this site in order to clear my name to which you have so sadly and mistakenly tarnished on MerNetwork Google Search.. The Mermaid Tail to which you refer to in this photo http://www.gofundme.com/3xz4sw is by Professional Photographer Annette Batista, not Raina's at http://www.modelmayhem.com/annettebatista92 to which I have Permission to use and PH and share. So please retract that statment or correct publicly .:mad:

[Merman Arion]

Hello French Merman, I just joined this site in order to clear my name to which you have so sadly and mistakenly tarnished on MerNetwork Google Search.. The Mermaid Tail to which you refer to in this photo http://www.gofundme.com/3xz4sw is by Professional Photographer Annette Batista, not Raina's at http://www.modelmayhem.com/annettebatista92 to which I have Permission to use and PH and share. So please retract that statment or correct publicly .:mad:

Indeed, i made a mistake based on a photo that i have seen on Raina's review about a mertailor tail.

here is the thread : http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?60-Mertailor-Review

In my defense, i have read this thread long time ago and kinda forgot that it was an example of the tail that Raina was looking for. The months passed and when i saw Cookie's page, i don't know but i figured that it was Raina's mertailor tail. At this moment, i confess that i didn't check for facts and for the prejudice i have made, i sincerely apologize.

I'm sorry and i hope that no damage and drama will continue further than that. :(

[NerineArcticMermaid]

@Cookie. This is not the place to hash out issue with other users. Private message him if you have a problem. As for the photomanips.. I will be checking with Annette about that. You are not doing anyone favor with your manips. Frankly as an artist I am appalled at your flippant use of others artwork. Art theft is a serious issue. I have tried to explain this to you numerous times

[The Harlem Mermaid]

@nerinethemermaid. first of all this was directed at him not you, let me remove that thorn on your side for you, He wrongly accused me Publicly so i will return the favor! Stay out of my business! I frankly dont care what you think of my art manips. phots, they are for my enjoyment and anyone esle's not you. Im NOT STEALING NO ONE'S ART! So stop posting it. I have a 100 percent PERMISSION To use Annette's photos, as well as other's. And frankly my dear I dont think your such a hot artist yourself

[Merman Arion]

@nerinethemermaid. first of all this was directed at him not you, let me remove that thorn on your side for you, He wrongly accused me Publicly so i will return the favor! Stay out of my business! I frankly dont care what you think of my art manips. phots, they are for my enjoyment and anyone esle's not you. Im NOT STEALING NO ONE'S ART! So stop posting it. I have a 100 percent PERMISSION To use Annette's photos, as well as other's. And frankly my dear I dont think your such a hot artist yourself

Ok. i corrected publicly my statement and i sent you my deepest apologies but that doesn't give you the right to take it out on Nerine. :mad:
You better take back what you just said, that was insulting.

[The Harlem Mermaid]

Hello French Merman, I thank you for your quick response and i accept your apologie. It took me awhile to learn how to correctly use other artist's art and mertials without infringing ..I now have permission from several others. thanks again i appreciate it. and there is no drama .. gnite

[NerineArcticMermaid]

@cookie. You are wrong. When you were removed from the Merpalooza fb group it was for violation of copyright. I have personally checked with several artist's you claimed gave you permission. They denied it at the time. I am currently awaiting confirmation from Annette about your permission. I take art theft very serious. Your opinion of my work is not concern of mine. Like my work or not.. I don't care. I don't create for you. I create my art for me. I can not be insulted when the opinion of the person giving it does not matter. @French Merman.. thanks for the defense. Much appreciated. AS for this off topic issue.. Im Done commenting about it.

[The Harlem Mermaid]

yes, and I thank you, as for Nerine, we have a bad history with each other. I didn't take it out on her , she posted on my comment to you, Im only defending myself .it had nothing to do with. gnite

[The Harlem Mermaid]

@Nerinethemermaid. It might have been an issue back then, but no longer, as to the other artist's you claimed to have spoken to I do not know of. But now , I do have permission for several. I too am Done commenting about this.

[Mermaid Julz]

wow, even i know about usage of photo/art for something.... I had to do that for all the photos i used in my poetry book. It took a long time, but each one was either approved by the owner, was free clipart, or something one of my friends had. It was had, but I did it. the only bad thing i didn't do was save the emails... so, that could screw me in the end....

all i know is that I have learned a lot from everyone here, tips and tricks, advice, and whatnot. I just hope things get settled and everyone can move on... Life is too short to be at each other...

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Oh goody. Shes copying my text now.

[PearlieMae]

Im NOT STEALING NO ONE'S ART!

Well, that's an outright admission of guilt.

[AniaR]

I can't read all the messages Im on my way out COOKIE HAS MY PERMISSION AND I HAVE STATED THAT TO MANY SHE USED MY STOCK IMAGES.

[AniaR]

I can confirm she's been asking for perMission and has gotten it from others including kariel and others. Though to be fair posting about her in the first place had nothing to do with merpalooza and French merman could of messaged me instead of posting. I am posting this from my phone so I haven't had a chance to see any replies but I saw it was going to drama so I wanted to clear that up. I taught cookie about stock photos and encouraged her to contact other mers and I followed up with them and I know she's been getting permission.

[NerineArcticMermaid]

@raina good to know. I received a message back from Annette. She did give permission for that image to be used and permission for her gofundme.com page. (commercial usage) Glad to see she is finally doing it the right way. If only it was that easy with all the internet users.

[PearlieMae]

Sorry, I didn't mean to perpetuate the drama, and my inner grammar nazi HATES a double negative.

(For the record, I am a professional photographer and art/creative director, so I DO know about copyrights and intellectual property management, both buying and selling imagery.)

[Merman Arion]

@ Raina, i apologize to you as well. I understand that i should have told you beforehand.
I'm honestly sorry because i didn't mean to bring trouble and drama in this thread. :(

[AniaR]

It happens. Lol thanks for looking out for me.

[Mermaidmechanic]

Holy crap that escalated quickly... here I was just hoping to see some pictures from merpalooza. :/

[ShyMer]

Yeah, maybe would divide this thread into three or so. I was hoping to see pictures too.

Maybe if there was a general merpalooza discussion thread and the others moved into an image copyright thread or something?

[Miyu]

I agree, I'd still like to see photos! I've seen Nerine's and some of Christomer's on FB now, but I'd still like to see any others :3

[AniaR]

To be fair its for pics annnnd stories lol I did start it.

[WavyMermaidy]

Yeah, maybe would divide this thread into three or so. I was hoping to see pictures too.

Maybe if there was a general merpalooza discussion thread and the others moved into an image copyright thread or something?

I think starting a "suggestions for merpalooza" thread would be good...hearing from attendees, especially ones that weren't involved in the planning or as vendors or anything else, who can give an opinion on what they thought of things, good and bad. If the organizers really want to hear suggestions and take them for future conventions, I think we need to make that known clearly. I think it's important to get the voice from people "on the inside" like vendors and such, but I think it's crucial to hear from people who didn't have any stake in anything there except to enjoy the weekend and can be a little more objective about what they thought was positive and negative and what they'd like to see in future 'paloozas.

Just a thought.

[Ariadne]

But would it make any difference? Supposedly they have been receiving suggestions and opinions from the mercommunity for the past two years or so - Nerine and Raina have stated repeatedly that they have taken ideas to these people and were ignored or turned away, sometimes treated very rudely. I was sad that I wasn't able to make it this year - or any year, if the weekend stays the same (school starting back and all). But now I'm fine with saving my money, since I'm not sure I would want to participate in an event that seems to disregard the opinions if the very people paying to be there. Sounds like what the mercommunity needs to do is decide if we really want to support this particular event or if a new gathering should be created instead, one set up by merfolk and who care what merfolk think.

[WavyMermaidy]

Well, it couldn't hurt to do it...and either way, even if this necessitates a different convention being set up at least it will give some idea of what to include and what not to include...and mainly I'm still curious to hear from other people like me who don't know a lot of the "inside" stuff and who just attended. No one in that position has really spoken up about what they thought.

I know suggestions have been given in the past, but have these come from just a few key people or from the community itself? I don't want to say much about this because I don't know what's said, how it's said, who has issues with whom, etc...but sometimes if someone has an issue with someone else then obviously whatever is said is not going to matter at all. I just wish more people would speak up, just with an overall impression of the event, so as not to let personalities become a part of it (PLEASE don't think I'm stepping on fins here or pointing at anyone in particular, because I'm not...I don't know most of you personally and therefore have no grudges or issues with any of you...but I know there are a lot of big personalities here and that personalities can clash, so I just think hearing from the masses might be interesting and *may* have more of an impact). I'm probably being too optimistic, but that's how I try to be.

Anyhow, I'm not saying hearing from more people is going to do a flip of good, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. If the MerPalooza people actually do care and want to listen to the masses, then this would help. And of course if these allegations that the organizers don't care about the mer community are true, then nothing anyone says is going to matter. BUT if that's the case and we need to form some other event it will make whatever gathering comes out of it that much better.

[Ariadne]

I totally agree - obviously an event wouldn't be able to accommodate every single suggestion, but more than likely the community has similar ideas re: organization, excursions, entertainment, etc. I noticed several mers said they wished it was earlier in the summer so they could go - I just noticed that because I was in the same boat.

[AniaR]

There's a thread from last year. Honestly I'm saving my suggestions for someone else. Most of what people want is basic stuff. Obvious stuff. And it came from everyone. I'll save mine I'm not confident merpalooza can pull it off anyway.

[shimmygoddess]

Still have to agree w/ Raina, any PROFESSIONAL photographer knows the copyright laws and would know not to edit anyone elses images. Sure we all do googles searches, but we have to find stock images of tails and there are ALOT out there of just tails, Still highly unprofessional in my opinion.

[Stephanie Sims]

There's a thread from last year. Honestly I'm saving my suggestions for someone else. Most of what people want is basic stuff. Obvious stuff. And it came from everyone. I'll save mine I'm not confident MerPalooza can pull it off anyway. Well, I do want to point out that I am open to all suggestions - While II had a ton of support in other areas, I am pretty much a one person operation (or was this year) with regard to coordinating the various parts for most of this event. *Part of my sponsors' contributions were going to be "hands on assistance" with the awards ceremony, entertainment, etc. The plans the sponsors had promised us to help the event...fell through. Many scheduled items and events that the they had planned and advertised to happen...fell through. *I am proud and glad we had three good speakers for panels and the Tail Talk on Friday. *We surely listened to suggestions from last year. What we really needed at this event were the "hands".

This year, many whom I've known since Vegas and some I know from the Weeki Wachee area...expressed to me that they believe in me personally and what I am doing by getting all Mer's together in this manner, and that they would be glad to help. They've thrown their hats in. I appreciate that so much. :)

Please feel free to share any insights and suggestions, as we are thankful to receive. I love this event. I love the vendors and attendees. Being human, I personally was over-exhausted but still trilled to do this third event. Moving forward, staff will be in place to make things run smoother, I guarantee.

Raina, Again - as soon as we became aware of photo issue, we did work to get it handled properly. No excuses, just a statement. Also, I was never aware that you communicated and turned in a proposal for service. I would have loved to have seen that. Nerine, I want my response to your concerns to be intelligent and properly written. You deserve that. The fact that it has not appeared yet simply means I am very much concerned and thoughtful.

[Stephanie Sims]

But would it make any difference? Supposedly they have been receiving suggestions and opinions from the mercommunity for the past two years or so - Nerine and Raina have stated repeatedly that they have taken ideas to these people and were ignored or turned away, sometimes treated very rudely. I was sad that I wasn't able to make it this year - or any year, if the weekend stays the same (school starting back and all). But now I'm fine with saving my money, since I'm not sure I would want to participate in an event that seems to disregard the opinions if the very people paying to be there. Sounds like what the mercommunity needs to do is decide if we really want to support this particular event or if a new gathering should be created instead, one set up by merfolk and who care what merfolk think.Sorry to post again.. BUT a few things:

1. Photos coming. We have many that are excellent, excellent and would love to share here, as well as some stories,

2. I have never turned away any idea that anyone has ever given? *All who know me will attest to that. I have never disregarded any opinions of attendees, vendors, etc. There were many things that were better about this year, and some that were not as good, including maybe time of year. It was SO HOT and choosing to try to do the awards outside in the extreme heat was not great. *We have learned now, with three events (two in Florida) under our belts, We now know what the challenges can be. We've seen just about everything. :)

The great thing about what I/we have been able to do is that we get a ton of new interest in mermaiding each year and a ton of terrific press. To utilize that press and the platform we have, and channel it in the proper directions would be awesome. I personally (as it's just me) would really appreciate the support.

[Stephanie Sims]

I appreciate you coming in trying to clear it up and set things straight with me, but it was handled poorly, the excuses don't really cut it, and I don't agree that it's a mercommunity thing only because we're tight knit. Mermaid tails aside, my partner and I work very hard to create our images with or without a mermaid tail, and I would be acting 100% the same way (and always have) if another group decided to photomanipulate my work without my consent.

We have handled it, and made sure images were removed once we became aware. I did try to clarify personally how I felt about what happened with the images...

And with regard to the comment about the community being close knit: What I was meaning is that "our" tails are our persona's and identify us personally, in some cases...more than maybe another industry. No, I am not at all saying it's ok in other industries at all. I did explain very honestly to you the info we learned from the offending photographer, and the practice that this woman did, (which was unprofessional), had nothing to do with MerPalooza. *When we learned of it, Scott removed images. Is all I was trying to impart.

Yes, Wavy. You're right about several points regarding the space/event.

In the space this year, the hotel gave us larger tables than we expected, which made delineating vendor space difficult. We should have made sure what size the tables were before the event. Signage was someone else's responsibility and it did not happen. I should have had a backup plan for signage. Yes, we need a separate room and stage in room next year, like we haad last year and in Vegas - better microphone like last year. Stage was on order, but did not arrive.

Special Tyvek armbands custom were ordered by Scott, printed and arrived Monday after the event. Ugh.

So, some of these challenges, I am aware of and tried my best to make the best of at the event. Lessons learned. *We did sure have some great speakers, great tail makers and vendors. Also, considering moving date to better work with attendee travel schedules.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR IINPUT!

[MermaidBonnie]

I personally had such a wonderful time at MerPalooza. This was the first time I had gone to any large official Mer-gathering and it was marvelous. Yes there were some organization issues.... But at the same time, I wouldn't change my experience for the world bc when I was "missing out" on a large group event, I got to spend one on one time with mers and form relationships that I would not have been able to do in a large group setting. Everything happens for a reason, is the way I see it. I got to see that within our community, people are genuinely kind-hearted and are trying to do their best to be their best. We've got to cut each other some slack, you know? I learned an important lesson from MerPalooza: that we are all beautiful souls and that we need to take care of each other. Sounds simple, but it was an epiphany for me. Online we can become clique-ish and judgmental, but in person, I just saw the best of everyone at the event, and was so touched by the compassion mers have for each other. Since MerPalooza, I've been inspired and in mourning. It's an odd place to be, let me tell you! Inspired, bc we mers are truly a part of something magnificent! And sad, because I miss everyone, and wish it didn't end. Stephanie, I would like to be of service to you, to all of you, next year. I can bring the fun pool party music, (sound equipment too if it's not too far). I'm not sure how to get my pictures on here, they're on my personal FB: Bonnie Lavender. Friend request me and you can see them. Here's a video of me singing and our fellow mers dancing and swimming to it. http://instagram.com/p/c2YjfqBqFk/#

[The Harlem Mermaid]

Hello Capt Scott-Gasparilla, hope your doing good this fine evening. Stephanie Sims, had added to MerPalooza awhile back, during the period of her short vacation, i believe it was. I was removed, I ask her and she told me she didn't remove me, and gave me link to original MerPalooza FB group, there's another MerPalooza group on FB , which me and several others were on..Fake page But unable to get on to the link along with several others had the same problem too, this was several months ago, Stephanie said she would check it out...I would so much love to be added again please.. thank and sorry for long message... Have a wonderful even Ayyy Capt Scott-Gasparailla

[NerineArcticMermaid]

@Cookie. I have the chat transcript where Scott Decided to remove you. We discussed it after you banned me from being able to comment on your page. A violation of the FB group rules. You were warned several time about your photomanipulations and by the photographer from whoms work you were useing without permission. Shall I post this conversation?

[Blondie]

I'm not event coordinator but I work in the same office by two.

I cannot stress how much work they go through to put events together. I could not imagine the work it takes to put together a convention. To get every single thing right would be impossible. I commend Steph for the for the effort, really. That's something I'm going to say at least 90% of the network could NEVER do. And if you say you could, you either have experience or you're lying. Event coordinating is easy for people to bash when they don't do any of the work. *shrug*

[Merley]

Well, I really wanted to go to the convention. I have some family in Florida so it might have been a possibility had I known about it earlier. Anywho, I would totally be down to volunteer for future conventions, just to have the opportunity to witness it all. So, if a shortage of hands is the issue, you have two here ready for next year.

[WavyMermaidy]

I'm not event coordinator but I work in the same office by two.

I cannot stress how much work they go through to put events together. I could not imagine the work it takes to put together a convention. To get every single thing right would be impossible. I commend Steph for the for the effort, really. That's something I'm going to say at least 90% of the network could NEVER do. And if you say you could, you either have experience or you're lying. Event coordinating is easy for people to bash when they don't do any of the work. *shrug*

I agree, absolutely! I know Stephanie truly has our best interests at heart, and she was awesome every time I spoke with her at the event (this year and last) even just trying to ask where something was. She was always out amongst the rooms, trying to coordinate people to come in and see the speakers, trying to encourage people to be part of the pageant, etc. From what I can see from the discussions here, it seems the biggest part of it was not having the appropriate help and having people flake out. Part of my job is as a volunteer coordinator, so I know how that feels too.

Just to clear up for Stephanie's sake: I know none of my comments about the convention were directed at her, just observations that I had...as I said, hubby and I had a lot of fun! A lot of what I pointed out was obvious stuff...but it's just part of the overall impression of the event that I got and should be made clear to anyone who claimed to help her but didn't do their jobs. Last year had issues too, but I enjoyed last year's a lot better b/c the space and organization were better, so I had to compare the two b/c that's what I had to go by. And for me, the issues with space and organization made an impact on the enjoyment I had of the event...not the case for everyone I'm sure. I hope my comments didn't come across as bashing!

Because I don't know much of the inside scoop, I had no idea that Stephanie didn't have the help she was promised and that the people who were involved didn't have the best interests or whatever. I still am not entirely clear about who didn't do what etc, but that doesn't matter. She shouldn't HAVE to organize that convention on her own.

It would be nice if several of us on here could each take on one job for next year...that way no one would get overwhelmed and it would be coming from the mers themselves. Maybe that wouldn't work in reality, but it sure sounds nice.

[Mermaid Cascada]

Okay this is ridiculous. I'm not choosing sides. I am not favoring one person or another and I'm not getting involved in this drama but.... I think if anyone has something to say to each other about something that is drama or may cause drama; then it should be said in pm not here in this thread or in any thread for that matter. This drama isn't even about the community anymore it's about personal issues. So enough. Please take it into pm so the rest of us can enjoy this thread for what it was supposed to be.

[Echidna]

Ahem.
I came here only to see photos...

While I think Cascada is right, one also shouldn't deny people the right to defend/explain themselves publicly after they have been accused/slandered publicly.

Let's hope matters are cleared enough by now there is room again for other things :)

[Mermaid Cascada]

Ahem.
I came here only to see photos...

While I think Cascada is right, one also shouldn't deny people the right to defend/explain themselves publicly after they have been accused/slandered publicly.

Let's hope matters are cleared enough by now there is room again for other things :)
I agree.

[Capt Scott-Gasparilla]

Ahem.
I came here only to see photos...

While I think Cascada is right, one also shouldn't deny people the right to defend/explain themselves publicly after they have been accused/slandered publicly.

Let's hope matters are cleared enough by now there is room again for other things :)

Yes, I agree - thanks for your post! - You may search for any posts by myself here and you will only find one other in defense of myself, and few others.

You may enjoy a lot of the MerPalooza images in several galleries by myself and others here: https://www.facebook.com/InternationalMermaidConvention

[AniaR]

Lol a perfect example of how not to speak to the community when you represent a community event. Moving on, someone want to post the links to the news articles here too? I'm still on the road and can't post from my phone.

Stephanie thanks for addressing things respectfully.

[Adaro]

Looks to me like he was speaking directly to one person....

[AniaR]

Gotta love it went people make an account and the first thing they do is post in drama cuz you know nothing suspicious at all about that ever.

[Adaro]

Way to welcome new members.... I feel so well received!

[NerineArcticMermaid]

I have a feeling I know whom your referring to. Sorry guys. I blocked that person after the first post. Don't care what it says. If anyone has questions regarding any accusations please private message me. As for the news article. I can psot the one from the Tampa BAy Times for you. http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/mermaids-come-to-life-at-merpalooza-in-tampa/2135860

[AniaR]

Way to welcome new members.... I feel so well received! so will your IP address ;) Way to inroduce yourself to the community :p feel free to actually introduce yourself over in the introduction thread :) That's where we welcome new members. ;)

:bulldozer:

News Articles!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201330755883303

http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/all/tampa-rides-wave-of-mermaid-mirth-20130810/

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/23096060/2013/08/09/weekend-events-celebrate-mermaid-culture

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/mermaids-come-to-life-at-merpalooza-in-tampa/2135860

Mermaid Marla also has LOADS of photos: https://www.facebook.com/mermaidmarla?fref=ts

[PearlieMae]

Okay, I think this has been taken far enough in the public forums. Yes, I am rather new here, but I, and I'm sure lots of other members, would like to avoid all the behind the scenes commotion. So as I am certain we have all heard our mothers say "I don't care who started it, etc..."

And before anyone says "if you think you can do better", I know I can. I have helped produce The International Music and Media Conference, the New Music Seminar, the Billboard Music Awards among others, and could coordinate a mer community conference and convention that would swim circles around Merpalooza, and make it look like a flea market swap meet.

Might I suggest that the disgruntled start a separate thread or private group and mud wrestle there? I seriously doubt this is what Raina meant when she said to post pix and reviews here.

Another suggestion would be to start a CIVILIZED discussion with several sub topics about what the mer community would like at a convention, with threads for mers, speakers, workshops, vendors, entertainers, venues and amenities, etc., without everyone getting their butt hairs in a tangle.

That's just my two cents, and then some. ;)

[AniaR]

without everyone getting their butt hairs in a tangle.

I just snorted my drink all over my lap. Thanks for that one. LOL

:lol ^:

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Your right Pearliemae. Hence why I blocked said person pages back. Sorry its making it yucky here. @Raina.... you aint kiddingabout how many pics Marla has!!! SHe sent me 7 already. she is awesome.

[Ashe]

Thanks for sharing the links, Raina! I loved looking through all the great photos :)

[NerineArcticMermaid]

Video says it was removed...

[Ariadne]

Did somebody make a profile just to comment on drama and then disappear? That's...creepy. Not someone I would want to meet in real life.

[Blondie]

I agree, absolutely! I know Stephanie truly has our best interests at heart, and she was awesome every time I spoke with her at the event (this year and last) even just trying to ask where something was. She was always out amongst the rooms, trying to coordinate people to come in and see the speakers, trying to encourage people to be part of the pageant, etc. From what I can see from the discussions here, it seems the biggest part of it was not having the appropriate help and having people flake out. Part of my job is as a volunteer coordinator, so I know how that feels too.

Just to clear up for Stephanie's sake: I know none of my comments about the convention were directed at her, just observations that I had...as I said, hubby and I had a lot of fun! A lot of what I pointed out was obvious stuff...but it's just part of the overall impression of the event that I got and should be made clear to anyone who claimed to help her but didn't do their jobs. Last year had issues too, but I enjoyed last year's a lot better b/c the space and organization were better, so I had to compare the two b/c that's what I had to go by. And for me, the issues with space and organization made an impact on the enjoyment I had of the event...not the case for everyone I'm sure. I hope my comments didn't come across as bashing!

Because I don't know much of the inside scoop, I had no idea that Stephanie didn't have the help she was promised and that the people who were involved didn't have the best interests or whatever. I still am not entirely clear about who didn't do what etc, but that doesn't matter. She shouldn't HAVE to organize that convention on her own.

It would be nice if several of us on here could each take on one job for next year...that way no one would get overwhelmed and it would be coming from the mers themselves. Maybe that wouldn't work in reality, but it sure sounds nice.

I fully agree with you.

I'm not saying everyone is bashing Steph xD They're not. I'm just saying to those who are, it's easy for someone to say this was wrong, this didn't work, why was this, why was that, never doing this again when they don't even take into consideration all the work that has to go into conventions. I think that it would be a marvelous idea for some of the network to team up with Steph next year to help coordinate and secure their places as workers. When people flake out, there's nothing you can do. It sucks that people do that, it really does. I wish people still lived by their word :\

[AniaR]

Did somebody make a profile just to comment on drama and then disappear? That's...creepy. Not someone I would want to meet in real life. happens ALL the time on mernetwork... lol

[NerineArcticMermaid]

:)

[The Harlem Mermaid]

:) @AniaR;86321, Thank you so much for your support so appreciate it and value your friendship
I can't read all the messages Im on my way out COOKIE HAS MY PERMISSION AND I HAVE STATED THAT TO MANY SHE USED MY STOCK IMAGES.

[Mermaid Oshun]

Hi Cookie Welcome to Mernetwork!

[The Harlem Mermaid]

Thank you @Golden Pearl so happy to be part of such an awesome group!

[The Harlem Mermaid]

@AniaR thank you dear i no longer feel alone here.. have a wonderful day.

[NerineArcticMermaid]

BAck on topic time.. Anyone find the full footage from the FOx News 13 promo?

[Stephanie Sims]

Nerine, My understanding is that they did one filmed longer promo that aired as a new spot... and several others that ran as live cut-in's or "teasers" for the station in an effort to get people to watch the news to see the story. I have only seen one "story" out there, and will go hunt the link... *In short: Many of the really short little teasers... were shown live and no one seemsto have recorded them.

[Stephanie Sims]

I fully agree with you.

I'm not saying everyone is bashing Steph xD They're not. I'm just saying to those who are, it's easy for someone to say this was wrong, this didn't work, why was this, why was that, never doing this again when they don't even take into consideration all the work that has to go into conventions. I think that it would be a marvelous idea for some of the network to team up with Steph next year to help coordinate and secure their places as workers. When people flake out, there's nothing you can do. It sucks that people do that, it really does. I wish people still lived by their word :\
Thank you so much! I appreciate the support and ready for input re: next year! Steph

[MermanJesse]

Steph Sims!!

I have some news for you, about that thing we talked about the other day, regarding that place! Please check your Facebook messages from me, or call me!

[NerineArcticMermaid]

aww pooey.. was hopeing I was in some of that footage.. oh well.. I got the tampa bay times footage at lease :D