Mertailor tail for sale, from instagram

[Mermaid Riia]

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[*Celine*]

It's a nice tail, the side fins look very special. Was it really 5k? I didn't think his tails were that expensive, I do love the colors, maybe I'll give it a try and bid

[Merley]

The fluke looks uneven to me...the right side looks smaller than the left for some reason.

[Mermaid Riia]

I did ask her what made it 5k tail, cause the fluke does not look like it's custom fluke. The paint job can't be worth over 2k..

[Mermaid Kelda]

Yeah, to me that doesn't look like one of his $5k tails... Don't they usually have a whole heap of extra fins? IDK, I could be wrong. It's super pretty, though.

[Merman Arion]

That tail looks super nice to me but still, 3500$ is a lot of money... :money:

Yet, i have the means to afford it but again, it's a tail made for a woman. I'm officially out... *sighs*

Damn! Why was i born as a boy?! :gah:

[*Celine*]

yes, indeed. Maybe we can bring it down to 2k, you can also see the ridges of the monofin in the fluke.

[Merley]

Minus the waiting thing, not sure why anyone would pay that for a used tail when they can get one custom fitted to their size for about the same or less.

[Merman Arion]

yes, indeed. Maybe we can bring it down to 2k, you can also see the ridges of the monofin in the fluke.

That's true. Although we already have seen his tails with monofins way more obvious than that. Here's an example :

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Seriously, I wouldn't pay 3k for this...

[Merley]

Seriously, I wouldn't pay 3k for this...

Same. Gosh visible monofins irk me. Shouldn't happen with a tail over 1k.

[Mermaid Riia]

Yeah.. The tail without tax is 2500, extra fins vary from 150-250 I think. Though it is brand new but I have to agree with Waikiki

[Winged Mermaid]

I wonder why she's selling it? I'm subscribed to her on YouTube and she JUST got it. Hum :/ So.. buyer beware. Ask details about the condition of the tail, as with any used tail. If the monofin blade and monofin straps are intact, how much it weights, if there are any rips or paint chips, ect.

Also it says in the comments on Mertailor's FB (see photo below) that the dorsal was made small because it's for performing. I know Trina has a tank, so that makes sense. But she just landed a gig with Ripley's in her tank and wore her old tail, with a normal dorsal. If she ordered this tail specifically to perform in the tank with then why didn't she? And now she's selling it? It just makes me wonder what the whole story is with this tail. So again.. buyer beware.

With ankle and dorsal fins his site says a tail like that would be $3,270 (you pick your own colors so I don't think she paid extra for coloring, it looks like his standard template). Then again I don't see that exact fluke option on his site so maybe it's a custom one?

The fluke does look uneven... here's a photo from FB.

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(Source: Mertailor's FB (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=698500083500910&set=pb.130816216935969.-2207520000.1383043955.&type=3&permPage=1))

Here are some videos of the tail if any perspective buyer wants to see it in action. There are a few more on her channel as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQBjbJQrTlQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LgGnCCP7T8


(And this is what happens when I can't sleep, haha.)

[Merman Arion]

Same. Gosh visible monofins irk me. Shouldn't happen with a tail over 1k.

I believe it takes a real mer to see a monofin through a tail because NOT A SINGLE of his fans saw the obvious monofin of this one i just showed to you.

It kinda pisses me off somehow to see all 100 of them praising Eric for his work while actually none of us here would pay for THAT.

[Mermaid Kelda]

I guess it really depends on perspective. I actually don't mind the visible monofins - I think they're a nice shape and add a little more depth to the fluke. I still wouldn't buy one of his tails, just because I'm not a fan of his style of tails, but to each his or her own. I don't think it's fair to judge others for not minding something other people think is a flaw. After all, we've all talked about how no one other than us notices tail wrinkles and other imperfections - and no one's making you buy one of his tails if you don't like the fluke! ;)

[Merley]

Eh, anyone can like a tail. It takes someone truly involved in the hobby/sport/line of work to care about the little details. Most people who comment on fb aren't about to drop 2-3 g's on a tail. They just like the idea of one; it's not the same. And ugh, that paint job in the pic Iona posted looks less than sub-par on the fluke. It's so uneven. Like why is there more purple on the right? It doesn't even seem to follow the shape of the fluke. I'd be suspicious too about a recently purchased tail that's being resold. No one spends $5,000 on a custom tail that takes a considerable amount of time to make just to resell it a short time later unless something is wrong with it. But if she's a professional mer, which she is considering she has her own tank and does this for a living, I'd say she noticed the same things we have and wants to sell it because of its blatantly noticeable flaws, which honestly, who can blame her? She also looks like she's struggling a bit to swim in it.

[Merman Arion]

I guess it really depends on perspective. I actually don't mind the visible monofins - I think they're a nice shape and add a little more depth to the fluke. I still wouldn't buy one of his tails, just because I'm not a fan of his style of tails, but to each his or her own. I don't think it's fair to judge others for not minding something other people think is a flaw. After all, we've all talked about how no one other than us notices tail wrinkles and other imperfections - and no one's making you buy one of his tails if you don't like the fluke. ;)

That's true. I'm well aware of that. :)


Eh, anyone can like a tail. It takes someone truly involved in the hobby/sport/line of work to care about the little details. Most people who comment on fb aren't about to drop 2-3 g's on a tail. They just like the idea of one; it's not the same. And ugh, that paint job in the pic Iona posted looks less than sub-par on the fluke. It's so uneven. Like why is there more purple on the right? It doesn't even seem to follow the shape of the fluke. I'd be suspicious too about a recently purchased tail that's being resold. No one spends $5,000 on a custom tail that takes a considerable amount of time to make just to resell it a short time later unless something is wrong with it. But if she's a professional mer, which she is considering she has her own tank and does this for a living, I'd say she noticed the same things we have and wants to sell it because of its blatantly noticeable flaws, which honestly, who can blame her?

I agree with you, it's uneven and the shape of the fluke isn't symmetrical (unless it's on purpose). Heels are visible too.
Like you just said, if she can't overcome the flaws we noticed, who can blame her after all the money and the time she spent on this tail? A dream tail is supposed to be perfect.

[Mermaid Riia]

Just got email back from her. It's only been used twice, once for abc news and once for hr in a tank. It has some custom alterations and it's thicker than usual so that the monofin wont poke through :confused: but it's right there very visible. She sells it cause she is not totally happy with the fit (too snug)

[Merley]

Well there are two videos right there of her very obviously using that tail. And neither of them are for ABC or in her tank...and though she's not technically in the pool in the second video, I highly doubt someone would put on a tail just to lounge at what looks like a gym pool and not go swimming. Sounds fishy to me indeed...and yes, you can very clearly see the monofin, as well as how uneven the cut of the fin is. Not only is it uneven, it looks like the part where it meets the feet was laid lopsided on the fluke, warping it even further.

[Merman Arion]

It's only been used twice, once for abc news and once for hr in a tank.

Are you serious? She seems to have used it more than twice with her videos at the lake and in a indoor pool. I'm confused on this. :confused:


She sells it cause she is not totally happy with the fit (too snug)

Seems like it's a good fit to me though. Good luck for her to sell it. :thumbs-up:

[PearlieMae]

At first I thought it was perspective making the fluke look uneven, but in that last shot, you can clearly see where it had been trimmed badly out of the mold. It fits her like crap (I thought she was a better swimmer) and the bunching around the ankles looks like shit. Standard paint job, obvious monofin, nothing custom and an all around shoddy build, in my opinion.

Of course, we are going to be hyper-critical because we know what to look for.

I think she's claiming it to be a $5k tail and pricing it lower to get back her original investment and make it sound like a bargain to the uninitiated.

PS: I hate the floppy dorsal fin.

[Mermaid Riia]

Are you serious? She seems to have used it more than twice with her videos at the lake and in a indoor pool. I'm confused on this. :confused:



Seems like it's a good fit to me though. Good luck for her to sell it. :thumbs-up:

Hey don't blame me :D this is just what I've been told.
And it is also weird that she is selling it via insta first asking 3500 and if it doesnt sell she will put it to ebay for 5k. If it was me selling the tail I would first try to get as close as possible to the price I paid and then lower it not vice versa.
confused too

[Merley]

Agreed, PearlieMae. I was thinking that about her swimming too. I wonder if it's just the tail making it difficult. I haven't seen any other videos of her swimming to properly judge. But you'd think someone working Ripley's tank would be a far superior swimmer. Price jacking sounds more likely than not, which is a shame considering the state of that tail. I'm really not fond of those side fins. They don't make sense to me for them to be there; the placement just seems awkward.

[Merman Arion]

I think she's claiming it to be a $5k tail and pricing it lower to get back her original investment and make it sound like a bargain to the uninitiated.

I hope not. Seems like she's pulling a Krystal. Last time i checked, mermaids are cool sea creatures, not felons.
Seriously, guys, is this gonna be a new "trend" in this community? This seems to happen a lot.

On another note, i'm not fond of the dorsal fins either.

[PearlieMae]

Agreed, PearlieMae. I was thinking that about her swimming too. I wonder if it's just the tail making it difficult. I haven't seen any other videos of her swimming to properly judge. But you'd think someone working Ripley's tank would be a far superior swimmer...

I'm surprised Ripley's hired her, given the nature of her fetish association.

[MerEmma]

I'm not much fond of the tail either like you guys...the color is nice but the fluke and the fins aren't my taste. It's got issues and that's understandable, hopefully it'll go to a nice home where someone can appreciate it for what it is.

[ShyMer]

The fluke is really crooked, it's not just the perspective. He must have really messed up when attaching the fluke and tried to paint it on a way that it wouldn't show so much. I would have been really upset if I found that my tail had such an obvious mistake in its construction.
The monofin looks even more crooked inside the fluke. I have noticed him put monofins crooked in flukes before, so I wonder if that's what he's really trying to compensate for here. That would add to the ankle bunching too, I would guess.
Does he have an assistant who helps with parts of the construction process? I just can't see how he made this mistake and kept going before correcting it. It looks like he's tried to trim it to make it look even, too.

Overall I think this tail was one big mistake. I wonder if she hadn't noticed its problems before she got it. I also wonder if she brought this up with Eric to see if he could fix it. This tail is probably not worth what she's asking for it, but with some modifications, it might work out okay for someone else.

[MerEmma]

Eeek, I wish this girl luck for selling her tail but then she should change profession. If this lousy swimmer calls herself "professional mermaid" I should call myself prime minister.:jawdrop:

What do you mean? I mean she's not an expert swimmer but depending on what a mermaid does specifically (kids, tank performances, dry events, etc.) swimming isn't the most important thing you can do.

[Echidna]

Eeek, I wish this girl luck for selling her tail but then she should change profession. If this lousy swimmer calls herself "professional mermaid" I should call myself prime minister.:jawdrop:

This video is really short.
While it doesn't look like brilliant swimming, I've seen loads of worse swimmers (and I mean, MUCH worse) who are all professional mermaids.

Fact is, parents and kids don't care about that anyway.

[AniaR]

I haven't read the other replies but she really did pay a huge amount for it and mertailor was quoted as saying it was 5k for all the work he put into it. Basically its too small for her and he refused to exchange or refund or change it and not the colors she wanted. She's trying to make back the money she spent so she can get one that fits.

It looks like a beautiful tail and barely used. I hope someone buys because I know how sad she was.

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[AniaR]

P.s that video was for a.b.c

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[AniaR]

She's not pulling a Krystal. She can't swim because her legs are jammed. And the tail is much thicker than his usual ones.

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[MerEmma]

Which video? The swimming one?

[AniaR]

Seriously folks I talked her into selling it
This isn't a scam. You may not agree with the price or like the tail but its not a scam. She needs a new tail fast to keep up with her gigs she just landed and this one obviously fell through.

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[Echidna]

It's a really pretty tail.
Problem is, it needs a lot of luck to fit into a silicone tail made for someone else.

Also, a real shame that 5k worth of work went into this and still neither fits properly,
nor is the colours she wanted :eek:

[Merman Arion]

I haven't read the other replies but she really did pay a huge amount for it and mertailor was quoted as saying it was 5k for all the work he put into it. Basically its too small for her and he refused to exchange or refund or change it and not the colors she wanted.

I hope someone buys because I know how sad she was.

You have got to be kidding me...! His conduct is so unprofessional...

I'm seriously pissed off. How many more mermaids is he gonna make crying? :mad:

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She's not pulling a Krystal. She can't swim because her legs are jammed. And the tail is much thicker than his usual ones.

My mistake, then. I take it back and I do admit that we didn't know the exact details.

[Seatan]

I don't think it's fair to really make judgements on somebody based on pretty much no facts.... We don't know what it cost or why she didn't want it, and I think it should be an innocent until proven guilty thing. I know that a lot of mers have been hurt by people trying to rip them off, but we can't let that keep us down! Lets hold onto our bubbly merhappy and be cautious but still give her the benefit of the doubt. The fact that her swimming and fetish associations were brought up kind of shows that we are not giving her a fair shake over this-- how well she swims and being kinky don't really have anything to do with selling the tail. I really don't mean that against anyone, because I totally see how this seems a little bogus, but I know that if I was just honestly trying to sell a tail and I saw this thread, it would probably make me cry, seeing my professionalism and integrity questioned when I, personally, hadn't done anything to warrant it. Once again, I am definitely not trying to make waves, just trying to remind everyone that this mermaid, personally, has done nothing to warrant strong suspicion and that being cautious doesnt mean we need to jump to conclusions and paint a bad picture of her in our minds.

[Seatan]

You have got to be kidding me...! His conduct is so unprofessional...

I'm seriously pissed off. How many more mermaids is he gonna make crying? :mad:

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I agree. I haven't been around long and I have heard so many sad tales... It's like the Tell Tail Horror Show sometimes.

[MerEmma]

I'm wondering if she'll buy from Eric again after this or not.

[SeaSister]

I personally am in LOVE with the colours on that tail, although it really is a shame about the dorsal and uneven fluke. All drama around Trina and the Mertailor aside, I just wanted to say that if it weren't so pricey and if it were my size I would consider. But really, why would someone spend 3.5k on a used tail when one can get a tail custom-made for the same price, or even less? There are plenty of tail-makers offering custom tails for far less than 5k, so it is such a shame that the Mertailor charged so much only for Trina to find out it's not what she wanted. I suppose if you were in a hurry to get a tail then maybe you would spend whatever price, but as for me I'd rather save my dollars...

[Seatan]

That's really what's so scary about tail buying... For $5,000 you should get the quality, size, and style promised, or you don't pay. I've been told that's just not the way of the custom tail world, but that seems RIDICULOUS to me. Yes, it's custom, but that doesn't mean tailmakers shouldn't be held to a certain level of craftsmanship and, if they don't meet that, be expected to redo it or refund it. This tail looks a bit of a mess to me--certainly not Mertailor's finest--so why in heaven's name can't she get a refund? I honestly don't care if something is custom or not, it MUST meet the agreed level of standards or I want my money back. Which is why I honestly believe there should be VERY descriptive contracts explaining what a tail will have and listing things that tend to vary (say, you get a refund if it has a messed up fluke, is neoprin when promised neoprene, was not made out of the kind of silicone promised, is TOTALLY off the measurements versus being stuck with it if you no longer like the design agreed upon or the colors aren't as cool as you liked or you didn't realize that all tails will have wrinkles.) I truly believe that explicit legal contracts need to be made for these things, just like any other high priced item, to keep EVERYONE honest.

[Merman Arion]

I'm wondering if she'll buy from Eric again after this or not.

After putting 5k on this tail?? HELL NO. I highly doubt it. :no-no:

It pisses me off too that there is NO insurance for mermaid tails. If there were one, things would be so much easier.
I mean, when you put 5k on a car and there is a problem within the warranty, an exchance or refund is possible. I wish it could be the same for mermaid tails.

Isn't it possible to protect the purchase of 3,5k or 5k by making a legal contract with Eric and a lawyer?? :thinks:
This way, he would be obligated to make the real thing, without flaws, just what the customer ordered.

[AniaR]

That's what warranties are for. But yeah please don't judge Trina all the stuff you guys see in the tail she does and then some. If you wouldn't pay imagine how she felt. Hopefully she can figure it out.

I've had several emails from people in the same situation recently and I keep encouraging them to post on the forum.

I know Eric and his bf broke up so maybe he has less help now plus with new line more demand.

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[PearlieMae]

I don't think it's fair to really make judgements on somebody based on pretty much no facts.... We don't know what it cost or why she didn't want it, and I think it should be an innocent until proven guilty thing. I know that a lot of mers have been hurt by people trying to rip them off, but we can't let that keep us down! Lets hold onto our bubbly merhappy and be cautious but still give her the benefit of the doubt. The fact that her swimming and fetish associations were brought up kind of shows that we are not giving her a fair shake over this-- how well she swims and being kinky don't really have anything to do with selling the tail. I really don't mean that against anyone, because I totally see how this seems a little bogus, but I know that if I was just honestly trying to sell a tail and I saw this thread, it would probably make me cry, seeing my professionalism and integrity questioned when I, personally, hadn't done anything to warrant it. Once again, I am definitely not trying to make waves, just trying to remind everyone that this mermaid, personally, has done nothing to warrant strong suspicion and that being cautious doesnt mean we need to jump to conclusions and paint a bad picture of her in our minds.

Don't get me wrong, I was just making observations. I was in no way attacking her.

I hope she gets her money back one way or another. Eric/Mertailor's reputation always seems to emerge unscathed and that sucks.

[MerEmma]

That's what warranties are for. But yeah please don't judge Trina all the stuff you guys see in the tail she does and then some. If you wouldn't pay imagine how she felt. Hopefully she can figure it out.

I've had several emails from people in the same situation recently and I keep encouraging them to post on the forum.

I know Eric and his bf broke up so maybe he has less help now plus with new line more demand.

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Aww man, they broke up? That sucks. ):

[*Celine*]

waow thx Winged Mermaid, those videos convinced me, the looks awful under water, the air pockets and the ugly seams and first I thought I was mistaken but now I see the last picture and yes that fluke is obviously uneven. thx but no thx on this one

[Echinacea]

Aww man, they broke up? That sucks. ):

He was just posting on FB that they are three years strong, about an hour ago... Unless this is a different boyfriend!

[PearlieMae]

When? In the last hour? 15472

[MerEmma]

It's like he was reading here and had to prove it wrong ahaha

[PearlieMae]

It's like he was reading here and had to prove it wrong ahaha

Hahaa! I posted an observation and A: he got defensive and; B: His fans started attacking me! :rolleyes:

ANYWAY...now, back to the subject...

[SeaNymph]

That could be true, hihi! Regarding the seller: I didn´t mean to attack her, I just thought, because of all the Hype about her, that she was a highly professional apnea diver. It was the first video I saw of her and I was somehow...surprised. But you are right, it has nothing to do with the selling of her tail. I´m sorry for her that she didn´t get a tail that fits her or some kind of refund. I really hope now for her that someone buys this tail (which is, despite of all the "errors", really beautiful) and that she gets enough money to buy a new one!

[AniaR]

*rolls eyes* he reads everything on here, and is responding in kind. Trina didn't even write this post or say one negative thing and they're after her. *rolls eyes* ugh. Several mutual friends told me they broke up, so I'm guessing they got back together ;) Or pose for a pic to prove Raina wrong cuz I expect that sort of behaviour. I don't really care, I was simply making a point that the quality of the tail may be less because he's back to doing things by himself. (and I have pointed out how Raven's quality is different depending on help too) if he wants to show off his boyfriend again, then there's really no excuse for that quality of the tail.


edit: People should also consider too that Trina has been a mertailor supporter for years and one of his mermaids and this is how she's being treating for selling a tail that she can't use (after trying to resolve it with her tail maker respectfully). If she can't use it, she's gotta sell it. Why all the FB drama yet again?

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Hey eric, since you're reading. You don't want to take the fall for making a tail with a lopsided fin? That has obvious issues that we can all see right here looking at it? I mean, we don't expect you to take the fall, you -never- take responsibility unless someone gets a lawyer (the only times in which you've given refunds). If you're so proud and stand by your products I just don't get your constant need to self proclaim your greatness on your facebook anytime someone is critical of something, and then claim people aren't "being nice". Your market, are mermaids. You may have loads of internet fans, but mermaids pay the bills. I figured after years and years of big dramatic fall outs you'd realize the facebook route is not the way to go to actually solve problems... Your fans wouldn't even know you have upset customers if you didn't constantly bring it up on facebook and defend yourself. An upset customer doesn't = someone trying to scam you. And it's really poor on your part to allow your fans to think that. If you were to say perhaps, "sadly I can't make everyone happy." that would be more accurate. Otherwise, it's just constantly manipulative.

Your customers still email me when they're upset with your products. Kindly let them know they should email you instead. Thanks.

[AniaR]

"Omg... Raina is mentioning me on the forum again...?"

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couldn't resist the appropriate gif.

[OceanRose]

LOL! :rotfl:

[Echidna]

< inbe4 AbysmalMer resurfaces>

[AniaR]

ahahah omg Catulna, it took me a second to get the joke, ahahahaha

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[Merman Arion]

Great one! ;)

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[deepblue]

Is this tail for swimming in a very small pool? It looks like you'd be going in circles the whole time.

However- if it were being sold at decent price for an 'imperfect' someone with the skill could probably work on it to make it look better.

As for Eric, I feel sorry for him to the extent that he obviously has some real problems. But he's an adult and should behave like one... he's his own worst enemy. He makes himself look terrible, no one else has to. If he'd just STAHP with all the bullshit, actually run his business with integrity, and not be such a drama monger, he'd go farther and he could save his own reputation.

But he won't, if his history is any indication. His history, his own interactions which I saw online, were what turned me off to ever dealing with his company. No one but he himself is responsible for his reputation.

[mermaidsoph]

for that money I'd just buy my own and customize it

[Blondie]

The fluke is definitely uneven. I wonder if that throws off swimming.

And the seems :\ They're not too amazing.

It's gorgeous though. I hope it goes to a good home.

[AniaR]

Someone should be able to cut the fin. Raven reshaped mine when she took it in.

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[Mermaid Sparkle]

She should hire a lawyer so she can get a refund. Even with the money she spends on that lawyer, she'll still make more money back than by re-selling it. She's going to be hard-pressed to find someone who will buy a lopsided tail for 5k when they can buy a new, perfectly fitted tail for 2-3k.

Plus, Eric's just going to keep pulling the wool over our eyes unless we actually call him out on it. Just posting bad reviews isn't going to change anything. Hire those lawyers! Make him give you what you ordered and what you paid for!

[AniaR]

there's an ebay link up if anyone thinks they can buy it. It would just take a jigsaw to trim the fluke so it is even and then a bit of silicone on the end to clear it. http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271312212162&globalID=EBAY-US

[SIF]

If you BUY your dream tail you should pick a company that hasn't had so many bad reviews and critique.


A dream tail is supposed to be perfect.[/QUOTE]

[SeaSister]

Ugghhh this is killing me lol. The pictures on ebay make it look really good (notice there's no close-up of the fluke and the unevenness?), and I am seriously in absolute love with those colours. But after all the bad reviews for the mertailor and how you guys have been pointing out all of the flaws... ugh, I'd rather just spend the money on a new tail. Besides, it's way too small to me (nu-uh, ain't gonna fit these plump/luscious 39 hips into 32 inches!) and I'm broke (my current tail fund has, like, $200 lol). But, like I said... those colours. Almost the exact same colour scheme as the one I have in mind for my own tail. :/

[JamesGunnels]

Ugghhh this is killing me lol. The pictures on ebay make it look really good (notice there's no close-up of the fluke and the unevenness?), and I am seriously in absolute love with those colours. But after all the bad reviews for the mertailor and how you guys have been pointing out all of the flaws... ugh, I'd rather just spend the money on a new tail. Besides, it's way too small to me (nu-uh, ain't gonna fit these plump/luscious 39 hips into 32 inches!) and I'm broke (my current tail fund has, like, $200 lol). But, like I said... those colours. Almost the exact same colour scheme as the one I have in mind for my own tail. :/

The tail I am making has a budget of about 300 *le sigh* but I know you can make a really nice tail for these prices. We are ordered neoprene from amazon. We found some for about 10 a yard and are going to order about 5 yards of it. I did some testing with latex and silicone, and they coat neoprene quite well. I do intend on making the fluke out of silicone, which will be most of the cost, but I still figure we're going to spend more on the tail as it is. One of my coworkers (The company I work for has a ton of departments including an art store) told me that they have some molding resin that they're just going to get rid of and she's going to help me use it and sculpt the fluke mold, so that cuts the cost a bit.

On a side note pertaining to the Mertailor Tail, I guess I haven't been catching up on his reviews as much as I would have liked. Has he been getting a lot of bad reviews on his tails lately?

[Merman Arion]

On a side note pertaining to the Mertailor Tail, I guess I haven't been catching up on his reviews as much as I would have liked. Has he been getting a lot of bad reviews on his tails lately?

You can see by yourself here : http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?1227-Mertailor and there : http://mernetwork.com/index/forumdisplay.php?19-Mertailor

Read everything and you can make your own opinion.

[Patches]

Okay guys PLEASE READ: I am a personal friend of Trina's and we work together. She is selling the tail because it is too small for her. I HAVE HANDLED THIS TAIL IN PERSON. It is very very very small. Its about two or three inches smaller than her usual tail, however, the thickness restricts a lot of stretch. Trina is like 4 foot 10 so itd be perfect for one of the smaller shorter mers on here. THE STRAPS ARE STRAPS HE INSTALLED SO YOU CAN PULL THE TAIL ON. She tucks them in and it hides them completely. I watched her get into this tail. It was like watching me get into my tail. Mine is also too small. She was very frustrated and sweaty by the end and I was like alright dude you really just need to sell it. Its way too tight. It is NOT as stretchy because it is three times thicker than usual. I really think this would be perfect for someone younger in the 10 yr old - 14 yr old range. This tail has no holes. She's only worn it like twice and one of the time I was there to watch and she was only in it for about an hour. This girl knows how to destroy the hell out of a tail BUT this one like I said has barely been worn so it really is like new.

[Patches]

Guys, she's not pulling a Krystal. Period. I WATCHED her try to get into this tail for ten minutes. She was downright fucking frustrated. She probably wanted to cry. Heck, I wanted to cry. And I felt the exact same way when I got mine too. Mine STILL doesn't fit me. But anyways, she really did pay a shit ton of money for this thing and She's selling it at a little extra to try to make back the money she had to pay for shipping as well. I told her to never ever buy from Mertailor again after this whole thing happened. It's bullshit. She spent SO MUCH effort never ever bad talking him and telling EVERYONE that is who she got her tail from. She always mentioned his name, always tried to get him business, etc. It's a shame. And she STILL publicly doesn't talk shit, which is something I can say I wouldn't be able to resist so it makes me have more respect.

[PearlieMae]

Damn...I hope it all turns out well for her, truly I do.

[AniaR]

She's being harassed she sent me screenshots. I keep encouraging her to join here but I think she feels it'll be worse and she's aspie and struggles with communication.

And even with Krystal... Both her and Eric have been caught lying lots. So really we will never know the true story.

Trina just wants a new tail to keep up with her bookings
Its part of her identity.

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[Merman Arion]

She's being harassed she sent me screenshots. I keep encouraging her to join here but I think she feels it'll be worse and she's aspie and struggles with communication.
And even with Krystal... Both her and Eric have been caught lying lots. So really we will never know the true story.

I still don't get it... Until today, every mermaid that Eric screwed over must be over a hundred, maybe even more.
HOW can they be so afraid by a couple of sociopaths? It's true that i'm not in their shoes (yet, i know what it's like to be bullied...) but i believe that by putting themselves together they have enough power to stand against him and write the bad reviews to warn people about his business.

People stood up here for Fishbutt to get their money back, why not doing the same for The Mertailor? Even the blind fans should be able to understand that something is fishy when a hundred mermaids gather together against him and his way of running his business.

[Merman Arion]

She was downright fucking frustrated. She probably wanted to cry. Heck, I wanted to cry. And I felt the exact same way when I got mine too. Mine STILL doesn't fit me. But anyways, she really did pay a shit ton of money for this thing and She's selling it at a little extra to try to make back the money she had to pay for shipping as well. I told her to never ever buy from Mertailor again after this whole thing happened. It's bullshit. She spent SO MUCH effort never ever bad talking him and telling EVERYONE that is who she got her tail from. She always mentioned his name, always tried to get him business, etc. It's a shame. And she STILL publicly doesn't talk shit, which is something I can say I wouldn't be able to resist so it makes me have more respect.

Seriously, does that sound like two happy mermaids here with a dream tail? :doh:

THIS IS NOT NORMAL. Girls have to stand up against him or else, there is going to be in the future a new Trina, a new Rayblonde, a new Mahina, a new Raina etc...
And honestly guys, they should know. The Mertailor has 4 pages full of controversy in the forum... I have read all of them. These are not for show.

Just my two cents.

[AniaR]

People don't want to end up like me. Seriously. lol. And they're also afraid of ruining future opportunities. Everyone is afraid of "drama" too. And honestly, I don't think Eric is wrong in MANY cases. A lot of times, people just dont have accurate expectations for what they're buying. I think how he responds to it is wrong. He deals with clients publicly, retorts on his fb page, and if anyone questions it they're "haters". I think he'd benefit from having someone who is totally dedicated to the communication side with clients so he doesnt have to do it.

[Merman Arion]

People don't want to end up like me. Seriously. lol.

Like what? You're awesome and a professional mermaid.
How is it bad? You just stood up for yourself, you let yourself being who you are and you just kept on living with the truth.
Yet, do you think it's right that they all rely on you afterwards? Some may have been "haters" first and now that they have been screwed, they come to see "Eric's nemesis" for help. Honestly, is it fair?


Everyone is afraid of "drama" too.

Interesting. Then, who started the drama in this case for example? Is it Eric for not taking the order seriously or is it the customer not knowing what they really want? In the case of Trina and Rayeblond who are decent girls in my opinion, i'm pretty sure that Eric started it by making their tails way too short. I understand people being afraid of drama but drama exist for a reason and it should be confronted instead of being avoided or else, there is gonna be a pyramidal effect with more people being involved in the future because they don't know who they are dealing with. I'm just saying that the truth need to be out, PEOPLE NEED TO SPEAK OUT or else, some are going to get hurt.
Mmmh.. Wait! That's right, it's too late already thanks to Eric... :rolleyes:


And honestly, I don't think Eric is wrong in MANY cases. A lot of times, people just dont have accurate expectations for what they're buying.

Fair enough, you might be right but not everybody start here so they are not aware that there is a "What to expect with your first tail" thread and even a special section in your professional book. Lots of people just start by being a fan of Eric's work that encourage them to buy without knowing the big commitment with a quality tail. :doh:


I think how he responds to it is wrong. He deals with clients publicly, retorts on his fb page, and if anyone questions it they're "haters". I think he'd benefit from having someone who is totally dedicated to the communication side with clients so he doesnt have to do it.

Totally agree with you on this. :thumbs-up:

[mermaidm]

I feel really bad for Trina! She spent tons of money on that tail :( I hope she sells it soon

[drucilla]

Man I feel so bad for her, has anyone reported this stuff to the better business bureau?

[AniaR]

Back in the day I saw a few reports but I don't think anyone does now.

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[Seatan]

I do agree that people should speak out at least to be careful to make SURE you are getting what you are supposed to with Eric if only because TWO people I know who are not part of the mer community have told me they have considered buying from the Mertailor. The general sense to people outside the community is that Mertailor is the highest level or even the only tail maker. People should at least know they have other choices

[MerEmma]

Yeah, I know. If you're not in the community people tend to see Eric as being very high quality, VERY popular, the absolute best, etc. Which, I get since he carries his FB that way but still. =\

[Mermaid Momo]

The general sense to people outside the community is that Mertailor is the highest level or even the only tail maker. People should at least know they have other choices

I wonder why? With all the other tail makers I would think that people would stumble upon others. I don't want to hijack this thread though so maybe in another thread we can discuss this.


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[Seatan]

Oh I think it's just because he does all the celebrity gigs is all.

[Mermaid Momo]

Oh I think it's just because he does all the celebrity gigs is all.

But why don't the celebrities never seem to know about other tail makers because I know a celebrity would jump at the chance to wear a tail that no other celebrity had worn before. Too look different you know.


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[Seatan]

From what I understand, Eric actively promotes Mertailor to celebs while other tailmakers are busy, well, making tails!

[drucilla]

Didn't someone famous wear an MVD?

[MerEmma]

Michael Phelps did, I believe. But wasn't that a Tom Shouse, not MVD?

[Merman Arion]

From what I understand, Eric actively promotes Mertailor to celebs while other tailmakers are busy, well, making tails!

Pffff............ Good luck for him.

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[Merman Arion]

Michael Phelps did, I believe. But wasn't that a Tom Shouse, not MVD?

You are right :)

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[MerEmma]

He has a great, goofy grin in that image :P

[AniaR]

From what I understand, Eric actively promotes Mertailor to celebs while other tailmakers are busy, well, making tails!

lol that's what I just said :p

Keep in mind Eric has been actively trying to get celebs to wear his tails for 7-8 years.

[Trident True]

Ok so from what i have seen and read it sounds to me that Eric needs to fix the problem. you don't just handle over a couple ok K and get a product such as this. this is really discusting. She hasn't received what she has paid for and that is against the law. he has created a tail that does not represent the product that she should of received. (false advertsing) by law she can go to a lawyer and fight this. its most likey she will win. what happened to the warranty? why wont he fix it? it seems to me that he takes money and once the item is sent to the customer he doesn;t give a fucking rats ass. if Eric does care about his customers why didnt he fix the problem. its very clear to me now on how he treats his customers and for that i will never purchase from him. (see words gets around) the net is a small place when it comes to these types of things, words gets around and then eventually now one will buy. so he is really kicking himself in the teeth if this was me i would get a lawyer involved. i hope she has some luck with the sell.

fucking discusting :(

[PearlieMae]

From his facebook page, I don't get the impression that he spends much time making tails very much at all. Too busy being an attention whore, really. But that's my opinion.

[AniaR]

I dont believe he offers warranty, but everytime I saw something on here he likes to prove me wrong, even if it means inventing something just so he can make me look like I'm wrong :o so now that Ive said it, he'll probably offer them.

No refunds, no warranty.

Here's his conditions of sale: https://www.themertailor.com/conditions-of-sale

18.3 DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS
Mertailor LLC is extremely cautious in ensuring that each Product strictly complies with our quality criteria and that it has passed all our controls, both technical and aesthetic.
If nevertheless you receive a Product that seems to be defective or damaged, you may contact us by email at (https://www.themertailor.com/%20%3Cscript%20type=%27text/javascript%27%3E%20%3C%21--%20var%20prefix%20=%20%27ma%27%20+%20%27il%27%20+% 20%27to%27;%20var%20path%20=%20%27hr%27%20+%20%27e f%27%20+%20%27=%27;%20var%20addy69864%20=%20%27inf o%27%20+%20%27@%27;%20addy69864%20=%20addy69864%20 +%20%27themertailor%27%20+%20%27.%27%20+%20%27com% 27;%20document.write%28%27%3Ca%20%27%20+%20path%20 +%20%27%5C%27%27%20+%20prefix%20+%20%27:%27%20+%20 addy69864%20+%20%27%5C%27%3E%27%29;%20document.wri te%28addy69864%29;%20document.write%28%27%3C%5C/a%3E%27%29;%20//--%3E%5Cn%20%3C/script%3E%3Cscript%20type=%27text/javascript%27%3E%20%3C%21--%20document.write%28%27%3Cspan%20style=%5C%27displ ay:%20none;%5C%27%3E%27%29;%20//--%3E%20%3C/script%3EThis%20email%20address%20is%20being%20pro tected%20from%20spambots.%20You%20need%20JavaScrip t%20enabled%20to%20view%20it.%20%3Cscript%20type=% 27text/javascript%27%3E%20%3C%21--%20document.write%28%27%3C/%27%29;%20document.write%28%27span%3E%27%29;%20//--%3E%20%3C/script%3E)info@themertailor.com with a detailed email of the damages within one business day upon receipt of the Product for further instructions. Mertailor LLC may classify the Product as a defective Product. Please note that items that are damaged as a result of wear and tear are not considered to be defective.
If Mertailor LLC declares your Product as defective, the following solutions will be proposed to the Customer, as applicable:
I) Mertailor LLC may send you the same Product in the exact same size, subject to availability,
II) Mertailor LLC may propose an exchange for another Mertailor LLC creation of equivalent or higher value, in which case the initial price will be deducted and you will be required to pay only the difference.
III) Mertailor LLC may propose to repair the original purchased product(s) and return back to the customer at the companies expense.
If Mertailor LLC is at fault for defective or damaged products, the product will be corrected or replaced along with reimbursement of any return shipping monies to Mertailor LLC.


I saw the personal communication (Trina has it documented on her blog) and she was told she could pay even more for them to fix or replace it. In her own screen shots of her texts with them and her blog reflections Trina wonders if she gained/lost weight, but it would have been quite the drastic up/down to lose so many inches so quickly, and it seems to me from reading all the conversation that it was her attempt to try and take some responsibility because she considered them friends and wasn't trying to cause trouble. But even if she had made an error with measuring (which I am not suggesting she did, I am just using it as an example) that doesn't really account for a tail so thick it can't be used (Oceana was able to get a refund for her tail which was also too thick to be used- she got a lawyer) and a fluke that is so clearly defected.

Now, I can appreciate that eric made the tail thicker because Trina is hard on her tails, but exactly how thick should have been discussed. I can tell you from personal experience, thickness can make you not able to swim. I can not swim in the mermaid creations tail that Naida wears because it is so thick I can't move. The only reason Naida can is because she's thinner than I am and the tail is baggy on her, she can bend inside it. But too thick makes it impossible to bend, to move your ankles, and to turn.


Honestly, Eric should have replaced it, but he didn't. He doesn't usually. I get so many emails like this weekly, I've started telling people don' bother emailing me unless you want me to post it all publicly because I'm tired of being the middle person trying to encourage people to stand up for their rights. Trina didn't join the forum. Trina didn't write a review. Trina doesn't want drama. And as much as I'd like to fight a battle for her, I just want to respect what she's going through, the stress it has put her under, and accept that she doesn't want to pursue getting a refund or exchange from Eric. (as much as we all think she should)

The best thing you can do for Trina right now is help her find someone who will buy the tail, who'd like it and maybe not mind cutting the fin down.

[drucilla]

Do any tailmakers offer refunds or warranties?

[Mermaid Lorelei]

I know for a fact that Merbellas offers a warranty. Mernation and Finfolk might as well... I'm not sure though.

[Theobromine]

Finfolk offers a lifetime warranty. The paint on my tail got a big scraped and banged up (stupid concrete pool) and a couple of the fins got a little damaged so they are currently fixing it up for me at no extra cost. I think they and other tailmakers look at Eric and learn from his mistakes...

Anyway, I feel really bad for Trina and what she's going through. I hope she gets it resolved soon.

[MerEmma]

Just curious Raina, what kind of hard do you mean Trina is on her tails? :b

[Merman Arion]

From his facebook page, I don't get the impression that he spends much time making tails very much at all. Too busy being an attention whore, really. But that's my opinion.

We share the same opinion. Couldn't agree more...

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[AniaR]

I don't think tailmakers should do it all the time I have seen the stress it puts Raven under to have people send tails back for stuff no one else would notice but them. Stuff I'd never send my tail back for. And there ARE people who abuse those that take refunds or exchange. Like I said, serial tail buyers/sellers for sure. I just think Eric needs to be a bit more flexible. He could have avoided a whole issue by switching her tail and reselling that one himself. With his fanbase it's not like it would be hard. I've seen him sell tails that were actual crap before (like the old wine coloured one used for the original Ripley's ad,) for a descent price, so I'm sure he could have resold that one himself and saved the headache and not lost any money.

[Merman Arion]

I just think Eric needs to be a bit more flexible. He could have avoided a whole issue by switching her tail and reselling that one himself. With his fanbase it's not like it would be hard. I've seen him sell tails that were actual crap before (like the old wine coloured one used for the original Ripley's ad,) for a descent price, so I'm sure he could have resold that one himself and saved the headache and not lost any money.

Obviously. Unfortunately, he's not smart enough to do just that.

[Patches]

Why does the mermaid community have more drama than anyone else?
I hate this. >_>

Additionally, I really do like Matt. He's been nothing but good to me and I think he has a good head on his shoulders.
He took my tail for me and fixed almost all the holes (also the monofin was poking out on one side and that was fixed too)
and then it was repainted for me because the tail was in bad shape when
I got it and he wanted to make it look better. (I dropped it off and picked
it up so I didn't have to pay shipping) I am very very very thankful that he did that for me for free
and it really did improve the quality of my tail.


Seriously, does that sound like two happy mermaids here with a dream tail?
http://mernetwork.com/index/images/smilies/17433.gif

THIS IS NOT NORMAL. Girls have to stand up against him or else, there is going to be in the future a new Trina, a new Rayblonde, a new Mahina, a new Raina etc...
OKAY I do have to say that my tail was bought used
and it was kind of destroyed when I got it. MY TAIL WAS NOT MADE FOR ME
FIRST so the fact it doesn't fit and has holes is not Eric's fault. Its just really shitty
of the person to have put that the tail was made to a 36 inch waist
when it was in fact definitely not meant for that and meant for someone who wears
a size 0-3 jeans. Also shitty of them for not mentioning that it came with holes
from some dumb model with a manicure probably pulling at the poor thing with her nails.
(I got it from someone that had used it for photoshoots so Im sure thats what happened)
**face-palm** People are dumb.

I think Mertailor has fucked up in the past. A lot.
But remember guys, he isn't the only one.
"I'm just so fed up with all these tail horror stories. Not even just Eric. Theres pleeeennntyyyy about Merberry and Fishbutts doing shoddy things to people too. I personally would probably never buy from them either because of the things I've heard. And I don't want to waste my money or my time when it comes to something this important to me. Eric might be kind of alienated but hes not alone. At all. There's numerous tail makers who have done very evil menacing things to people..."

I'm sick of people's dreams being destroyed and people being DICKS.
COUGH KRYSTAL COUGH.
Really though, every time I hear about another dream being destroyed
it pisses me off so badly.

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS?
fuck o.o

[AniaR]

Why does the mermaid community have more drama than anyone else?
I hate this. >_>

It really doesn't. By far. It's just a small community, and many tail makers always label their criticism as "drama" in order to take an validity away from it. Because calling something drama is the best way to shut down the conversation. There isn't really anything dramatic about the conversation. I think people just attach drama to any conversations surrounding Eric. If this post was 100% about fishbutts for instance, I don't think a single person would call it drama. But because Eric has *mixed* reviews, anything about him ends up "drama". He has personally already labelled anyone who says anything in the slightest that is critical a "hater". When in fact, it's likely he has very few people who actually hate him. (I don't even hate him. I'm just annoyed, lol)


OKAY I do have to say that my tail was bought used
and it was kind of destroyed when I got it. MY TAIL WAS NOT MADE FOR ME
FIRST so the fact it doesn't fit and has holes is not Eric's fault. Its just really shitty
of the person to have put that the tail was made to a 36 inch waist
when it was in fact definitely not meant for that and meant for someone who wears
a size 0-3 jeans. Also shitty of them for not mentioning that it came with holes
from some dumb model with a manicure probably pulling at the poor thing with her nails.
(I got it from someone that had used it for photoshoots so Im sure thats what happened)
**face-palm** People are dumb.

You didn't give any of this context, so you can't blame someone for jumping to a conclusion the first time :p And yeah I'm fairly sure you got it from someone who just used it for a photoshoot. I saw the pics online, and I think that was a perfect example of someone exploiting a return policy right there. Bought the tail for one shoot and then returned it.


I think Mertailor has fucked up in the past. A lot.
But remember guys, he isn't the only one.
"I'm just so fed up with all these tail horror stories. Not even just Eric. Theres pleeeennntyyyy about Merberry and Fishbutts doing shoddy things to people too. I personally would probably never buy from them either because of the things I've heard. And I don't want to waste my money or my time when it comes to something this important to me. Eric might be kind of alienated but hes not alone. At all. There's numerous tail makers who have done very evil menacing things to people..."

No one is saying he's the only one. This thread just happens to be about him. There's currently a thread going about fishbutts, and a thread going about mermaids r us too. But no one is calling those two drama ;) Just people rightfully outraged at how customers have been treated.


WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS?
fuck o.o

Well, we don't all have to be friends ;) but I've been around here for a long time, and I think those of us who have been around the longest will agree that in most cases, it's not the customers deciding we can't all be friends, it's the tail makers. People don't usually post bad reviews to the forum until they've done everything to fix it on their own, have contacted the tail maker, and usually get a not-so-nice result. A lot of people get harassed to stay quiet- and not just mertailor's customers. (I mean really, that's the dramatic thing, and that's the drawing lines to keep people from being friends thing in my opinion). I was contacted by two different people who feel harassed into silence by 1 other super realistic tail making company. And I have been trying to encourage them to post to the forum.

Honestly, I think we do a lot of victim blaming in the community. Instead of supporting people who are brave enough to come forward, and listening to their stories, and pushing for change in the community, we sit on the fence, we hush them back into silence, we label it drama etc all bad things to do for someone who has been wronged. And people it for loads of reasons. They don't want to hurt their own chances with a particular tail makers. They don't want to be harassed. THey don't want to be contacted specifically by that tail maker because they've posted something (raise your hand if Eric has emailed you because you've agreed with something I've said about him, lol he does it constantly to people).

But on the other hand, we all just can't jump on a boat either. We have to be critical, ask for proof (which most people do supply in the form of pictures etc. If you go check the official reviews you'll see a lot of that) and think for ourselves too. No one says you can't get a tail maker a chance if they screw up. It's just better if you're making an educated decision. Because there will *always* be people like Krystal who take advantage, or others like the serial tail buyers/returners I mentioned. And they distort everything. My issue is that mertailor (and a few other tail makers) try to make it come off like anyone who is unhappy must all be a Krystal. And that's what upset me the most with the Trina thing. Trying to suggest to his fans that she is a scammer, taking advantage of him etc. THat's pretty fucking low. But then again, the guy has said loads of weird things about me to try and undermine a review I wrote what- almost 5 years ago now? lol.

Anyway, obviously this isn't all directed at you Rayeblonde. Just using the opportunity to bring a few points up. :)

[deepblue]

Because the big D word was brought up, I think it's worth pointing out that referencing real life information and evidence, because it's relevant to the discussion at hand, isn't drama. Disliking a particular tail maker based on their tail making isn't, either.

[Seatan]

Why does the mermaid community have more drama than anyone else?

This is actually the longest I've ever stuck around on a forum simply because in every other forum I've ever joined you can't let out a breath without someone starting serious drama. I once got attacked for posting on a pet snake forum suggesting (in a friendly, helpful to newbies sort of way) that you would be better off buying housing made for snakes than using a glass terrarium because I, personally, spent so much money and effort on my glass terrarium that it would have been cheaper to buy a cage made for snakes in the end. Literally, people attacked me: 'You can say this, but to some people a hundred dollar difference is a lot of money, okay?????!!!!' and 'You don't have any right to make that claim, I do just fine with glass!!!' and stuff of that sort. It's horrifying how you have to tip toe around so many forums because having a single opinion will get you ripped to shreds.

The fanfic Livejournal community is just as bad, and fellow writers will hate you if you get "famous" for stuff you write. I was banned from being able to join a bunch of public White Collar groups by one big name person in the fandom for NO APPARENT REASON. I had never even spoken to her or done anything but post fanfic on my page and she wrote me an email about how my fic disgusted her (mind you, she also wrote adult slash) and then blocked me so I couldn't respond and banned me from everything she was in charge of. Most likely reason? She didn't like the fact that my fanfic was popular.

Honestly, this forum is like a peaceful breeze compared to most of the net. I have been cyberbullied into tears over so many innocuous things over the years that it is unbelievable. I am one of those people who malingers over things if I can't resolve them, so the instance where I was hated on then blocked for reasons unknown bothered me so much I quit the fandom and stopped writing my VERY popular fanfic.

Mers don't seem to be like that. This thread, for example, has some negative opinions about Mertailor, but it hasn't turned hateful to any individuals in the thread and it's really more bitter than hateful toward Eric. I really appreciate the way that the mermaid community keeps its cool compared to most other internet communities.

[Winged Mermaid]

Honestly, this forum is like a peaceful breeze compared to most of the net. I have been cyberbullied into tears over so many innocuous things over the years that it is unbelievable. ... Mers don't seem to be like that. ... I really appreciate the way that the mermaid community keeps its cool compared to most other internet communities.

Thanks for that, Seavanna :) Most people who think this forum is dramatic haven't seen most of the other forums on the net :p And you know I'd like to take credit ;) (not really, haha) but it's due to the wonderful people that this great community is made up of! Yeah, we get all kinds, but luckily most of them are good apples and not bad or sour ones. EVERY community big and small, has drama. It's pretty much a inevitability, and fact of life. When people label conversations like this "drama" I just have to laugh, honestly. If only they knew what forum drama REALLY looked like :cool:

[AniaR]

yeah 99% of the stuff here that gets labelled drama isn't. It's, "I don't like that so and so said that". But, we do have a drama thread for when something crosses a line, and posts get moved there :)

[JamesGunnels]

yeah 99% of the stuff here that gets labelled drama isn't. It's, "I don't like that so and so said that". But, we do have a drama thread for when something crosses a line, and posts get moved there :)

it is the unfortunate thing about being a part of any kind of community, no matter what, someone will have a different view and that view will make someone angry and then drama starts. I wouldn't be surprised if my saying this would make someone a tad bit annoyed, but we all have the right to say what our personal views are, people just need to take it with a grain of salt. Otherwise will have wonderful experiences with certain tail makers and others will not. I personally feel that your tail is better looking now than when it was brand new :)

[blenny]

No matter what forums you go to, drama, hackers, spammers and banning members is always part of it. The internet brings out the rude and evil side of people because there are really no repercussions. So people will be tend to be 10 times more rude than in a real social situation. I have never met anyone not guilty of being extra jerky because it's just the internet. My mom is the nicest person when you sit next to her, but she'll let you have it online :)

[Winged Mermaid]

So the general consensus on this seems to be..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07So_lJQyqw

[Patches]

HAH OMG FTW ADVENTURE TIME. That just made my day.

[JamesGunnels]

I personally don't see this as drama. You had a good experience with the Mertailor and others had not so great experiences, however, I will agree...drama is a daily thing. And Adventure Time is fantastical....

[Winged Mermaid]

Any excuse to summon the wrath of Lemongrab :P If he was dissatisfied with any tailmaker he would give them...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbRffBCeYw


Okay, I'm done :p

[AnnaAbyss]

Haha yeah, the mer community does seem to have quite a bit of drama. But you should see the metal community.
Say something which someone slightly disagrees with and it's like conflict in the Middle East. -_-
Anyhoo, I do hope Trina finds someone to buy her tail and even better, fix it's flaws. Really sucks to hear people not getting what they paid for. I cringe every time e-e. Puts me off the idea of buying from Eric even more. I don't hate the guy, it just seems like Russian Roulette when people buy from him.

[Blondie]

I hear the cosplay and BJD community are rather fierce too. It's the artist setting I think.

[Mermaid Momo]

I hear the cosplay and BJD community are rather fierce too. It's the artist setting I think.

Oh yes. That they are. But it's also in fashion communities. Any community will have drama because people will always be butting heads about something. Lol


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[Seatan]

I was in the BJD community back when it was just a mailing list. After about a year on that forum I got the hell out of dodge.

[Mermaid Shayna]

Did someone say BJD?
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Just chillin' on your forum.


Anyway, back to the topic.
I think any topic that has a large following will have drama, because there just so many different opinions, personalities, etc. This is especially true on the internet. I think a reason people can get so worked up is we can't see the person's body language and hear their tone. All we have are words. 93% of communication is nonverbal, and it's hard to get that through someone's post.

[Blondie]

Yeah you're right. I have a friend in the BJD community. I hear there's a huge feud between recasting. She asked me if that happened in the mermaid community. I was like "I think maybe once or twice I've come across someone who recasted a fluke." Then I sat there for a few minutes thinking. Oh crap... What if recasting flukes was a fluent thing in the mer community? Things would be nuts!

[Mermaid Shayna]

Honestly, I'm not really active in the BJD community (although I do know about the recast wars). Most communities I'm in, I just kind of lurk around. Mermaiding is really the only one I show my face in.

[MerEmma]

What does recasting mean specifically? Google doesn't provide the most accurate definition I don't think, haha.

[Winged Mermaid]

I think that means that someone buys a creation of someone else and makes a mold of it, then starts casting it and selling it as their own work. Which is what I believe Mike did with the Thirteenth Year tail's fluke (he bought the original, then started selling replicas).

[MerEmma]

Right, yeah, that makes sense. I remember that about Mike...tailmaking would go pretty insane if that started being a major issue. Seems like that'd be sorta difficult with silicone but I guess the more thought I give it, not really.

[drucilla]

Isn't it illegal, like copyright? Or counterfit?

[Winged Mermaid]

You can't copyright wearable things like tails or tail designs. (This has been discussed off and on for years and we've checked on the legalities.) There are a lot of things that can't be copyright protected. You can try and get it patented, but it's extremely expensive, takes time, and if someone makes something with the tiniest difference from what you had patented, it's not covered under patent protection.

[Blondie]

I think that means that someone buys a creation of someone else and makes a mold of it, then starts casting it and selling it as their own work. Which is what I believe Mike did with the Thirteenth Year tail's fluke (he bought the original, then started selling replicas).

That was the exact situation I was thinking of xD

Yeah there's not really a great way to control recasting. People just hope others will be true and honest and won't do it. Another issue with recasting is recasters often sell the stolen mold at a faaaar cheaper price than the original artist. So eventually, the thief gets all the profit out of it while the real artist gets nothing.

I know that some people who paint the dolls absolutely will refuse to paint your doll if it is a recast. I think it's a good way to prevent recasting.

[Mermaid Riia]

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The tail is sold and moving in with me! I have never been this stressed and excited, all this for piece of plastic :D
gaahh

[Theobromine]

Good luck, I hope it fits ok!

[Merman Arion]

Good luck, I hope it fits ok!

I hope so as well. I feel like second-hands tails from Eric have always bad karma because of their stories...
I would never buy Kristal's given the circumstances. But that's just me.

[Anahita]

I hope so as well. I feel like second-hands tails from Eric have always bad karma because of their stories...
I would never buy Kristal's given the circumstances. But that's just me.

Yeah, but at least Trina got her tail by honest means, you know? It just wasn't what she wanted, and it didn't fit to boot. So hopefully it goes to its new home and onto a mer that it fits.

[Merman Arion]

Yeah, but at least Trina got her tail by honest means, you know? It just wasn't what she wanted, and it didn't fit to boot. So hopefully it goes to its new home and onto a mer that it fits.

Amen Sister... I sure hope so that it fits. All these prayers make me sweating LOL :lol:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mq82BkDDa8s/UVZsna4S0XI/AAAAAAAAALI/ZPLiY4OkaWA/s1600/sweating+like+a+sinner+in+church+-+fans+self.gif

[Anahita]

Amen Sister... I sure hope so that it fits. All these prayers make me sweating LOL :lol:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mq82BkDDa8s/UVZsna4S0XI/AAAAAAAAALI/ZPLiY4OkaWA/s1600/sweating+like+a+sinner+in+church+-+fans+self.gif

HAHAHA Yes!

But on that note, I mean, no sense worrying over something out of our reach. Let the fates deal with it. :rollover:

[Blondie]

Yay!!! Glad it sold! You need to give a review when you get it! :)

[Mermaid Riia]

:D silly yous
I will do that. And post pics if I can. It's supposed to arrive next friday! But we'll see. I'm not being too optimistic with finnish custom

[MerEmma]

Have you received it yet? I'd love to hear how it is.

[Rogue Siren]

From what I've seen/read, I don't think people would do to well if they recasted flukes....The drama thing would really start then. Lol. If someone did that often, I'm sure people would start refusing to buy from them on principle....which is a great thing actually. But I'm sure there would be those few newbies and people caring more about money than anything else that would buy from them.

[AniaR]

Lol many high up tail makers have already experimented with tail recasting. With the amount of copying that goes on and lying about materials etc its safe to assume with some people all bets are off

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[PearlieMae]

... its safe to assume with some people all bets are off...

So are you back? ;) Hope you are well!

[AniaR]

So are you back? ;) Hope you are well!

I came to a forced stop because of my health, lol I have about 2 days before it all hits the fan again @_@ so I'll be spotty in my online attendance, lol

[Mermaid Riia]

Have you received it yet? I'd love to hear how it is.

Aaa! Forgot to do review about the tail! Been so busy with my job so never really had a chance to do it.
But anyway, the tail arrived in time across the sea, over 5000 miles, without any problems(?!) I thought it would get stuck in the customs because of the weight and value of the package, but no :D
It swims great! And the suction is great. There is few flaws like the seams. They are not so bad on the outside but inside the tail it's quite a mess. There is lumps of silicone in places where it shouldn't be. Combined with the huge suction it's very uncomfortable to swim in the tail. I gave it a thought and decided to cut it open and redo the seams and while I'm at it perfect the fit. I'm still waiting on my package from smooth-on. I'm kinda bummed that I have to do some tail surgery to a brand new tail, but the work was really sloppy so I have no choice. Can't wait to get over with the repair and get back in the pool! :)

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review finally done
http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?1227-Mertailor