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Winged Mermaid
10-30-2013, 07:07 AM
★The Accessory Making FAQ★



Here's a little FAQ for accessory making to answer some commonly asked questions.


•I need to save some money on this stuff.. any pointers?
The chain stores Hobby Lobby, JoAnn Fabrics, and Michaels all put out regular coupons. They even have apps for mobile devices and can scan them right from your phone screen. Michaels releases them weekly and almost always they have a 40% off any regular priced item. Michaels only allows one coupon per customer per transaction. JoAnns releases 40% off coupons on a regular basis and 50-60% around holidays. Most locations allow no limit of coupons per transaction, as long as they're all different an valid coupons (tip- for more coupons, sign up with multiple email accounts or for each person in your household for in-mail coupons). Hobby Lobby has a weekly 40% off coupon. JoAnns and Michaels will take competitor coupons if both stores have the same item.


•Where do you get lion paw shells?
You can find lion paw shells at craft stores and shell shops. The chain stores Hobby Lobby, JoAnn Fabrics, and Michaels all carry lion paw shells, though certain locations may not have them. If you have a shell shop locally there's a strong chance they will carry them as well. If you don't have anywhere local, there are plenty of shell shops online as well as shops on eBay and Etsy that sell them. I recommend that you contact the seller and ask if you order 2 if they can hand pick 2 shells that are about the same size and have roughly the same look to them. Most sellers will be happy to comply.


•Where do you find netting?
Netting is sold as decor at chain stores. Hobby Lobby, JoAnn Fabrics, and Michaels all carry netting. Some in black as well as regular. Some shell shops sell it. Hobby Lobby caries it in store and online (http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/fish-net-600155/).
Other than that you can just find it online at random stores. It's usually called fishing net or fish net with descriptors like decor, decorative, authentic, nautical. If you use google you can also put in "-stockings" "-tights" "-leggings" to get rid of those from search results to make sure it's looking for fishing net not fish net that you wear. If your'e looking for large quantities, some military surplus stores carry large bunches of it.

Aussie mere may be able to find some at The Party People (http://www.thepartypeople.com.au/products/19369/fish-netting-small-brown).

This stuff IS actual recycled fishing net, so it can smell bad or be quite stiff. Just wash it in the washing machine with detergent and vinegar to help kill the smell, and hang to dry.

If all else fails, you can make your own! Great tip from deepblue, "I made mine. I didn't like the colors and/or materials I was finding in stores or online. Once you get the hang, hand-netting is easy and fast. http://www.nightshaderose.com/netting/intro.php Also, I didn't have the tools, I improvised, and it all came out lovely."


•Where do you find fake seaweed?
At any store that has a faux plant section! Most people purchase theirs from Hobby Lobby, JoAnn Fabrics, and Michaels. Just keep in mind that it's not actually labeled "seaweed" or anything like that. Just go into the greenery section and pick out what you think would look good!

I advise to stick to the plastic plants if possible. The cloth/silk types tend to color fade, fray, separate from their veined backings, and generally lose shape when repeatedly exposed to the water. Keep in mind that the "tea leaves" from Michaels has an issue of the paint chipping off over time. It's possible this issue may be over come by a good sealer.

Here's a photo of seaweed picked up from craft stores if you're not sure what to look for.

http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=31462&stc=1


•Where can I find shells to make accessories with?
You can find them sold in bags or sets at Hobby Lobby, JoAnn Fabrics, and Michaels. Dollar stores sometimes carry them. There are also lots of shell stores online, and lots of listings for beautiful shells on eBay and Etsy.


•Where can I find large polished abalone shells?
You can find large polished abalone either at some shell shops (Florida has lots of these), or online. eBay and Etsy are the two best sites for finding these. Keep in mind that they tend to be $20+ for each shell. Make sure they are large enough for what you want to use them for- for instance I wouldn't recommend shells below 5 inches in width for a shell bra. Use Google search operators (https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/136861?hl=en) help you. Like to search for shells between 5 and 8 inches, "5..8 inches" or "127..203 mm". Use search terms like "large polished abalone" "polished haliotis fulgens" "polished paua shell" ect.

If you want to attempt to polish abalone yourself, remember that it's a hazardous and very laberous process. Abalone shell dust is TOXIC AND the particles are barbed and will damage your lungs. ALWAYS use a P100 particle respirator (can be found at hardware stores like Home Depot and Lowes) and/or do all work underwater so the water catches the dust. The dust can cause lung disease, so don't skip safety. (In professional shops a vacuum inside of a sealed box is used, where the gloves are attached to the box and sealed so the shell can be held while grinding.) This is a good site (http://www.essortment.com/abalone-paua-shell-jewellery-make-it-11185.html) that gives details on how to do it yourself.


•My abalone shells are dull when dry and/or fragile. How can I fix this?
The best way to give abalone shells permanent shine and to make them stronger is to coat them in resin. Epoxy resin or "craft resin" as some call it, is the best option, as some casting resins do not cure if they are exposed to air. The brand Casin' Craft EasyCast resin is what is recommended. Be sure to read the instructions, as if you do not follow them your resin will not cure correctly or perhaps not even at all. And as always follow safety instructions. Gloves and protection for your working area are musts. You can simply brush the resin on the shells with a paintbrush- just be aware that all mixing containers and paintbrushes you use will be one-time-use and will have to be discarded after. You may want to cover your shells with an overturned bowl, dish, or box to keep dust and/or pet fur from settling on them while they cure.


•What can I use to tie things when making my accessories?
You can use fishing line to secure things nearly invisibly, or you can use hemp cord. I don't recommend string or ribbon as they tend to fray in the water, though wax coated cored can be useful for some things.


•My knots come undone when I use fishing line. How do I get them to stay put?
You need to tighten each knot with two pairs of pliers, one for each end of the line. If you tie multiple knots, which I would recommend, tighten each single knot with the pliers as you go. For extra security, you can put a little dab of super glue on the knot. 2-3 simple cross-under-pull knots should do it.


•What paint do I use to paint shells?
For shells, acrylic paint works great. Usually a few layers are needed to get a good solid color, especially for lighter colors. For pearlized paint that's translucent you need a lot more than normal paint as well, so keep that in mind when picking colors. Hand brushing is the paint is fine. If you really wanna seal that paint on there for good, a layer of craft epoxy resin will do that, but it's not necessary.


•What hair clips do I use?
You can use whatever style of hair clips you like! There are many to chose from, available in craft stores. However the most often used is spring loaded barrettes.

http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=31463&stc=1

They will stay securely in your hair if you follow the tip in this tutorial by Raven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOruTJHibo

They're useful because they have a wider base in which you can glue things on. You can also create a base and attach it onto the clip, allowing for even more room.


•What findings can I use to attach seaweed and other things that don't have holes?
What you need is a finding called crimp ends. They look like these-

http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=31464&stc=1

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You put what you need to in to the end then crimp them closed with pliers. You can then attach it with a jump ring.


•Can I use real starfish for my accessories? Can I seal it?
You can, but they're not good for water wear. When they get wet they'll either crumble, disintegrate, or start to rot (and smell as such). You can attempt to seal it to keep this from happening, but there's no guarantee it will work. If you want to try and seal starfish, my best suggestion would be to use craft epoxy resin. It's best to use faux starfish if possible.
If you want waterproof starfish, you can get real starfish and make a mold from it, then cast it in resin. Or if it's small enough, use the mold as a push-mold for polymer clay. That way you have realistic looking starfish that are completely waterproof!


•How do I drill holes in shells?
You need a power tool- either a power drill, or a dremel. You need to take caution when drilling seashells. Seashell dust should not be inhaled, as the particles are very sharp and can do damage to your lungs. Abalone shell dust is toxic. Both can cause lung disease. You need to either use a respirator capable of filtering out these tiny particles, such as a P100 or n95 respirator, or drill the shell while it's underwater so the water will catch all the dust. I actually recommend both, if possible. Remember to wear protective gear for your eyes as well!

To drill the shell underwater, make sure the shell is completely submerged, but ONLY submerge the tip of the bit. I recommend a plastic dish, so if you drill into the bowl you won't drill through the bowl and break (glass) or put a hole (wood) into it. Be sure to rinse the shell after you've drilled it, before using.


•I don't have the tools to drill holes in shells.. is the another way to attach them to jewelry?
With certain findings, you can glue the shell to the finding then have a way to attach it to your jewelry. You want a Glue-on Flat Pad finding or a Aanraku Bail finding. They look like this, but come in all shapes an sizes.
http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=31466&stc=1
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You can also use bail glue fold-over findings such as this:
http://mernetwork.com/index/attachment.php?attachmentid=31469&stc=1

Be sure to use clamps when gluing to make sure the bails glue strong in the proper place.


•I broke a shell and I want to fix it. What glue works?
Two part epoxy is the only glue I've found to work for this (and I've tried lots).


•What glue do I use?
That depends on what you're gluing!
E6000 is advised for a general all purpose waterproof glue. It's industrial strength, has flexibility when cured, and can be used on a variety of materials. Be SURE to READ THE WARNINGS AND INSTRUCTIONS as some of these glues are very toxic when they're not cured, or under certain conditions. For glues like E6000 that are hazardous when not cured, I highly and strongly recommend you always use gloves when working with it. Popsicle sticks are great for spreading it around, as it's very sticky and goopy when wet.YOU CAN GET POISONING FROM E6000 EXPOSURE (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?11962-E6000-poisoning) ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES AND WORK IN A WELL VENTILATED SPACE, WEAR A RESPIRATOR IF POSSIBLE.

For heavy duty stuff like gluing shells to a bra or shells to hair clips, I advise Gorilla Glue. However, since it dries yellow it can't always be used, but it's on the back side it's no issue. Superglue for small things- like putting pearls or gem embellishments on shells, or securing a knot. As it's handy but is brittle, and can be unreliable if you use more than a tiny amount. Epoxy is great for shell on shell or shell on glass. JB Weld for metal on metal-it can be used to secure jump links or other such on jewelry.

Hot glue is easy and dries fast, but it's not recommended for things that are submerged underwater repeatedly. It peels of and breaks down. I would advise to avoid using it if you can. You can use it for minimal stuff, or stuff that you absolutely have to have a large glob of glue that will dry in a minute or so. The best use I have for it is to glue several pieces of faux seaweed together before using another glue to secure it to something else.

I've used all the glues mentioned in my entire post on 1 hair clip before. My best tip for gluing is use the glue that's best for the job. If that means multi glued accessories, then do it! It will be worth it to have a quality accessory that will last a long time.


•How do I glue something so it bonds properly?
1) Read the instructions! Seriously, there's stuff you need to know on there. Like did you know gorilla glue's cure is water activated? If you glue without water it won't do much good! So read the instructions :)
2) Clean the surface well and get rid of any oils. I use rubbing alcohol, but others suggest acetone as rubbing alcohol can leave a residue that can cause issues with some glues.
3) Rough up the sides of what you're gluing together if you can- simple sandpaper is good for this. If you have an x acto knife or something similar you can score the surfaces with a cross hatch pattern.
4) CLAMP IT. #4 is the most overlooked, but by far the thing that will help your glue bonds be the strongest that they can. Little clamps are $0.67 each at Home Depot- seriously worth it. Using the right glue and clamping means sometimes you have to wait a day or night before you can continue to making your piece. To me the piece lasting a long time is worth it, VS using hot glue or some such and having it come apart a few months down the line.


•My Velcro isn't holding up underwater. What can I do?
Truth is, run-of-the-mill velcro isn't known to hold up in water very well. I personally haven't seen it really work on any mer accessories I've seen it used on. However, there's hope! The trick is that you need to use Industrial Strength Velcro! They sell this at hardware stores in long strips or spools. It looks like this (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nxe6WA1hyqE/UKfyf8Cbz3I/AAAAAAAAKmM/6JnkqEU6OLA/s640/IMG_0597.JPG), with the two sides velcro'd together and the sticky adhesive facing outwards. I've seen this stuff hold up a flat screen TV on the wall of a sea-going boat. It stays put!


•What do I use for a base to make a top?
Anything you want, really! The best are a bra or a swim top. Some use strapless bras, some buy regular bras and either decorate the straps. or cut them off and sew on netting or fabric in their place. If you use a regular bra, it's highly recommended that you get a bra that is mostly or all nylon and spandex. Otherwise you may run into the issue of the fabric over-stretching when it becomes wet, or sagging.
No-strap self adhesive bras are also popular- just be aware that the adhesive will eventually lose it's stickiness and you will either have to add straps or discard the top. However if you buy one that's of decent quality (not from Target or Walmart, go for NuBra brand if you can afford it) and follow the care instructions and it can last for quite a while.


•How do I sew netting on something?
You can sew by hand or by machine. I recommend a strong upholstery or nylon thread. If you use a machine, you can either use the button hole function to sew a loop around on of the crossings of the netting, or you can sew straight across. If you do sew straight across, you will need a heavy duty needle on your sewing machine. Take it easy, go slow. If it gets caught sometimes you can lower the needle and raise it and it will unstick, other times you have to take it out manually. You can still break the needle, so be aware. Don't forget to lock the thread by backstitching at the beginning and end.


•I want to sew embellishments onto something, but I don't want the thread to be seen!
If you want to sew on something, but fishing line or closely matching thread isn't enough of an aesthetically pleasing option, use Transparent Nylon thread. It's essentially a small, strong, clear plastic thread. Just be aware that it can be a little harder to work with since it can snag on things like seaweed and netting while you're working, and it's harder to see.


•How do I get earrings with hook findings to stay on while swimming?
You can keep hook earrings on with no problem with some simple rubber earring backings! They come in packs with a large amount, and are cheap! They're also clear, so they're not noticeable when you're wearing them. If you want it to be extra secure, you can wear two backings for each earring. You can find them at craft stores like Michaels and JoAnns, or online.

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•Where can I find the pretty shell shaped sequins?
Those tiny sequins that you see everywhere are sequins made by a company called Cartwright. You can find them on Carwright's website (http://www.ccartwright.com/shells.html) in different sizes and many different colors. For the large 48mm sequins, please see the thread on Vector Enterprise's shell sequins (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?4242-Large-Shell-Sequins-48mm-Order-Thread-%28Vector-Enterprises%29). Keep in mind that you can sew sequins on with a sewing machine. You can use the button hole function to make quick work of them. For the large 48mm sequins, you can sew a straight stitch right across the top with no damage to the sequin.


•Where can I find the pretty pearl strands with pearls that seem to hang in the air?
Those strands come from Pearl Garlands that have been detangled and/or cut. These are sold at some craft stores and online. Michaels use to sell them in their wedding section, but may be discontinued- you will have to check your local store for availability since not all Michaels carry all the same items. Hobby Lobby also carries them in white and black, and sometimes other colors. These can also be found in some online craft supply stores.
Be aware that some pearl garlands are not as high-quality as others, and can shed pearls when they become wet due to low quality glue. This is not environmentally friendly, so be sure to do testing before you attach them to any accessories!


•I'm not near a craft store, but I want netting/shells/plants. What can I do?
Shop online! Hobby Lobby actually sells nearly all of their stock online. Etsy also has a whole search function just for crafting supplies, and eBay carries a lot of great items including a lot of shell suppliers that sell there!

AniaR
10-30-2013, 07:42 AM
Amazing job!

Winged Mermaid
01-10-2014, 11:41 PM
If you guys have other questions feel free to post :) I'd love to add to this so it will be more helpful to people!

MerEmma
01-10-2014, 11:53 PM
I don't mean to hijack your thread or anything, but I do have some pictures I took at Michael's about a year ago of the stuff they have to offer (at all the ones around here in central Florida their little ocean section looks exactly the same, but it probably looks different all around the country?).
Mostly it's good reference for pricing I think. :)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p49fLD3OF74/UQ2RFruQubI/AAAAAAAAFHA/uGDArlPyiVs/w791-h593-no/DSCN0638.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0C0y8zJr18k/UQ2RSOnlfnI/AAAAAAAAFHQ/Sbi6pnrs8Gs/w791-h593-no/DSCN0639.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8PLRBrnom6o/UQ2RXFvptfI/AAAAAAAAFHY/as-2KjjsyGM/w791-h593-no/DSCN0640.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FX6kJ0lQoAM/UQ2RYDGpYyI/AAAAAAAAFHg/tGN4q87LP9I/w791-h593-no/DSCN0641.JPG (you can see on the bottoms of each of these bags are the lion's paws most people use for tops)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CI2dnfikoiQ/UQ2RjNhBsaI/AAAAAAAAFHo/iSRDc_w77xM/w791-h593-no/DSCN0642.JPG

Miyu
01-11-2014, 04:21 AM
I hear a lot of people who are unable to buy fishing net, or who maybe want it in a different colour/gauge. I myself have the supplies I need to make it myself, and would rather spend what little mer-funds I have on something else.

So, I found these two videos to be very helpful. You can make different knots (I think the most common is a square knot, but I've also seen an overhand knot used), make the space between strings smaller or bigger, and you can use all sorts of things like yarn, cord, etc. to make them. I plan to make my own net for a top and possibly a belt as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDTK5erYuE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJLAac86hg

Ariel-Starfish
01-11-2014, 04:44 AM
Love this tread!!! Can it be a sticky please? :D

Winged Mermaid
01-11-2014, 05:04 PM
It already is a sticky :)

SeaNymph
01-12-2014, 03:42 PM
How can I make a headdress or what can I use as base for it?

Seatan
01-12-2014, 04:06 PM
What kind of headdress? One with embellishments just on the side, one with major weight on the top of the head, etc? There are a ton of different headresses and they all have different support requirements. Paper wrapped floral tape is great for floral headresses and headresses embellished only near the ears. Heavier bases such as headbands are needed for larger headresses. Can you be more specific?

AniaR
01-12-2014, 05:01 PM
I always use headbands as a base, and just go from there :D pretty easy way for making your first ones.

Winged Mermaid
01-17-2014, 08:03 PM
I just want to start off saying that Raven is the original designer of that particular style of mermaid head dress, and I respect her for that. So when I wanted to make one for myself I did ask for her permission :) She said it was fine for me to make them for myself for my personal use, but she wasn't okay with anyone selling that design. I hope others will respect that as well! I see some people sell them and honestly it gets under my skin, but maybe that's just me.
(I asked her if it was okay before I made my first shell top too, since she was the first one to use netting as straps and faux sea weed between the shells and bra. She's an innovator for a lot of our type of fashion that's for sure! ^_^)

Anyhow, that being said, that type of head dress is made by having two hair clips on either side that hold the main bulk of it, and the things that go over the head are attached to the hairclips.

I did make one, and it turned out very well! I want to make more, I just have to hold myself back from going crazy since I can't sell them if I go overboard, haha! This is the one I'm wearing in my current avatar :)

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Edit: If you use Raven's tutorial listed in the FAQ for keeping hair clips in place it WILL stay put! :thumbs-up:

Winged Mermaid
01-17-2014, 08:05 PM
Also I hope if you make one you'll post photos Nixe Daniela! Your work is always beautiful!

Winged Mermaid
01-19-2014, 09:09 PM
Added information on where to find large abalone shells, how to make abalone shells strong and shiny, where to find shell sequins, how to get hook earrings to stay on while swimming, where to find the pearl strands that I use, what kind of velcro holds up in the water, and where to find invisible thread. :phew:

SeaNymph
01-20-2014, 06:21 AM
Thank you very much for your information, Iona!!! I have decided to discribe better what I want to create: a headdress with things hanging down at both sides at the head (like the merbella mermaids) but with complete own design and style. I am an artist myself and I do want to get credit for my own designs and ideas, I always have and I do not have any intention / wish / need to go into selling. I´m sorry to read that people really sell things they have copied from others, in my opinion this has nothing to do with real art. Aquatic performance is all that concerns me and use my creativity only for myself. :p I just wanted to look for some information about accessoire-stability at the head, because I am a "keen" underwater performer and I would like all things that I hopefully want to create to stay put at my head / hair. The problem with normal hairclips is that I have to re-do it five times per show (because my hair is very smooth) and that really was frustrating.
Thank you for your nice words about my work, since I don´t have much time at the moment, my future "headdress" will take a little while, but in the meantime I could send you a picture of a mermaid crown I made one year ago (as soon as I have found out how to post pictures :confused: )

SeaNymph
01-21-2014, 06:21 AM
Okay, got it. Here´s my selfmade mermaid crown which I used to wear at my "Atlantis" themed photoshooting:

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AniaR
01-21-2014, 07:23 AM
Wow

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Naufra
02-13-2014, 02:29 PM
Does anyone know if tiger tail holds up well in water? I would think it would considering its' construction, but has anyone tried it?

MermaidBrandie
03-29-2014, 12:50 PM
Has anyone taken a push up bra that's made to make your girls look bigger to make a top out of? I have an old one I'd like to use but I'm worried about how swimming in it will be because of the extra foam it has.

Naufra
03-29-2014, 05:05 PM
I can all but guarantee you that it would take forever to dry, Coyote. I used one for a dry-wear costume, but I don't think it would be practical for swimming. Have you considered picking up some non-foam push-up padding and building it into a swimsuit top?

Winged Mermaid
03-30-2014, 12:19 AM
I've used push up bras for my tops and they were fine. It's mostly about picking material that will do well in the water and dry fast out of - which is why I've only found one brand that is strapless, nude, right fabric, and other stuff. They were regular ones though, not the "Bombshell" ones that make you 1-2 cup sizes bigger.

Mermaid Jaffa
03-30-2014, 03:14 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but you can buy NEW netting from fishing and tackle shops. Or any place that sells fishing stuff.

Here are some names for them, Prawn Net Replacement, Landing Net Replacement, Boat Net Replacement, Keeper Net.

Prawn Netting is quite fine, almost like a thin thread. The rest are made with slightly thicker cords.

Naufra
03-30-2014, 02:55 PM
I've used push up bras for my tops and they were fine. It's mostly about picking material that will do well in the water and dry fast out of - which is why I've only found one brand that is strapless, nude, right fabric, and other stuff. They were regular ones though, not the "Bombshell" ones that make you 1-2 cup sizes bigger. What brand did you find that worked well for you, Iona? What materials would you recommend? ^_^

Winged Mermaid
03-30-2014, 03:25 PM
Bras made of nylon/spandex are best. Same material as we use to make tails and that bathing suits are made of. It holds up and doesn't sag in water, plus it dries faster. I like Warner's "this is not a bra" strapless. It's nylon, push up, strapless, underwire isn't visible (smooth front and smooth cups), silicone grip straps inside the band, AND they carry my size (34D). http://m.kohls.com/kohlsopenapi/productmobile.html?productID=689293/warners-bra-this-is-not-a-bra-satin-comfort-strapless-1693.jsp

MermaidBrandie
03-30-2014, 05:33 PM
Hmm, thanks winged mermaid! I might have to get me one. I have netting, seashell, and seaweed. lol Looks like I just need a bra.

Mermaid Jaffa
03-30-2014, 08:10 PM
I wear underwire padded sports bras, the kind for running, as it dries fast and the fabric keeps you cool.

It doesn't feel itchy when its wet, so that's another plus there.

And I prefer bras with thick wide straps cos I'm super paranoid about exposing myself even if it was an accident!

Winged Mermaid
03-31-2014, 03:36 PM
Also, I just remembered- I've known some mermaids that made a top out of TWO self adhesive tops made into one, for more size in the chest area. They took one of the silicone bras that add a cup size and they sewed and/or glued it into a regular non-filled adhesive top that was the next cup size up from what they were. I suspect the same thing could be done with inserts and regular bras as well! Also you cold probably layer these to make the finished top multiple cup sizes larger, instead of just one. I know cosplayers do that kind of stuff all the time! The silicone ones are best becuase they're solid and neutrally buoyant. With too much foam, you could end up with it sagging down with water weight- not good!

Mermaid Wesley
03-31-2014, 04:08 PM
Good idea!


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Aziara
04-28-2014, 11:22 AM
As for keeping earrings from falling off underwater, I use leverback ear wires instead of normal fishhook-style. These things will not fall off! http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/nickel-free-silver-plated-lever-back-ear-wires-449736/ http://shop.hobbylobby.com/assets/1/14/DimRegular/449736.jpg http://shop.hobbylobby.com/cms/images/layout/icon_enlarge.png

Mermaid Harmony
04-29-2014, 03:48 AM
Munich Mermaid that's amazing. Like super amazing. Did you create a backing besides the headband to keep it vertical?

Naufra
04-29-2014, 05:46 PM
Leverbacks are an excellent idea, Aziara! When I made earrings for my niece I used leverbacks so they would be harder to lose.

Mermaid Harmony
04-30-2014, 03:19 AM
Question, trying to make some hair clips, what do you guys use as a strong base? I've been using foam but it's more flimsy then I'd like. Thanks!

Morticia Mermaid
04-30-2014, 03:25 AM
I've been using felt. It comes in zillions of colors and with the right glue it becomes a pretty sturdy base

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BayouMermaid
04-30-2014, 01:34 PM
And back on topic.... if anyone is looking for plastic sea shells in the USA, select Dollar Tree stores have them for $1. It's what I used to make my shell top and they are much lighter and easier to work with than real shells.

Mermaid Wesley
04-30-2014, 01:39 PM
I'll have to check out our local dollar tree :)


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AniaR
04-30-2014, 04:26 PM
I've been using felt. It comes in zillions of colors and with the right glue it becomes a pretty sturdy base

I use felt too!!!

I upcycled scales that are used locally in window hangings and glue them on the felt and the clip. Then add all my embellishments and make hair extensions that are affixed as well. They're a HUGE hit at my parties, and we sell them at a local store.

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10255928_743670865664372_1167956404693606573_n.jpg

Mermaid Isabel(:
04-30-2014, 06:12 PM
Oh and btw those plastic shells from dollar tree are pretty great :) I painted them with a matt paint to make them look more realistic and they look pretty good so definitely go to your dollar tree stores and see if they have them!

Mermaid Wesley
04-30-2014, 06:21 PM
How big are they, out of curiosity? or do you have a picture of the top?

Mermaid Isabel(:
04-30-2014, 07:05 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/01/dy2ara4a.jpg
I haven't finished mine yet I got distracted by other projects but this is what they look like. This is with paint on them, before they were pure white. I wear a C cup and they cover me alright but I'm putting them on a nude swim top for more support and coverage.

Mermaid Wesley
04-30-2014, 07:15 PM
oooh thanks :D they look great!!i might have to pick some up even if i just use them as accessories or for a belt or something :)

Naufra
04-30-2014, 08:18 PM
I should see if there's a Dollar Tree in my area so I can look for them, those do look easier to work with than real shells and I probably could have saved some money considering how rarely I actually swim. What colors do they come in?

Mermaid Isabel(:
04-30-2014, 08:36 PM
No problem MerHopefully :) and I'm not sure about other dollar trees but the one I went to only had white. They also had coconut tops when I went but I didn't buy any so I can't show you :-/

BayouMermaid
04-30-2014, 08:55 PM
No problem MerHopefully :) and I'm not sure about other dollar trees but the one I went to only had white. They also had coconut tops when I went but I didn't buy any so I can't show you :-/

*sings* I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts...

Yeah, they've just got white shells. Since they are plastic, Krylon fusion spray paint would probably work well on them.

Winged Mermaid
05-07-2014, 03:31 AM
I've been using felt. It comes in zillions of colors and with the right glue it becomes a pretty sturdy base

Sent by star fish

You know, I never would have thought of using felt! I've been using basically plastic sheeting to craft my bases. I went back and watched Raven's tutorial on how to get hair clips to stay in (I'm always sending that video to people cause it works so well!) and I realized she uses felt too! Wow... feel kind of like an idiot for never thinking of that XP Would probably make making them a whoooole lot easier! How do they hold up over time though I wonder? Seeing as felt can absorb and hold water, does it mess with the glue? What have you guys found?

Morticia Mermaid
05-07-2014, 04:14 AM
I've not had any issues with my stuff, and I use all my personal stuff just about Egbert time I'm in the water.

I know I did a lot of testing when I started using it. Including letting it soak a couple days then trying to pull it apart (it being felt just glued to a shell). It suck well enough that I made it into a clip cause it wouldn't pull apart, lol

Sent by star fish

Morticia Mermaid
05-07-2014, 04:15 AM
Wow. Epic typo is epic. Meant every, not Egbert. Goes to show I shouldn't post while half asleep

Sent by star fish

AniaR
05-07-2014, 07:53 AM
Baha Egbert. I love it

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Naufra
05-07-2014, 10:23 PM
Egbert time? Do I detect a Homestuck fan? Yay for half-asleep typos! I'm glad the felt works so well for you, Morticia, I may use it myself when I make my swimmable gear. I haven't exactly been in a hurry to do it since I haven't gotten to swim in well over a year. :cry:

Winged Mermaid
05-07-2014, 10:35 PM
I've not had any issues with my stuff, and I use all my personal stuff just about Egbert time I'm in the water.

I know I did a lot of testing when I started using it. Including letting it soak a couple days then trying to pull it apart (it being felt just glued to a shell). It suck well enough that I made it into a clip cause it wouldn't pull apart, lol

Sent by star fish

Thanks for letting me know about the testing :) I'll give it a try, do some quality testing of my own as well. I used clips using my bases for like a year and a half before I sold any, just to be sure they were really durable. For the felt, anything I sell before quality testing is completed.. well I'll just smother in e6000 :P Cause some of the styles I want to try I just won't be able to do with my regular bases. Thanks again!

Princess Pearl
07-23-2014, 10:52 AM
Is there anything you can use to glue something TO silicone? I want to put some pearls on some of Atlantis Mermaid's silicone shells.

PearlieMae
07-23-2014, 12:29 PM
Mermaid Jessica (among others) use SilPoxy from Smooth-On.

PearlieMae
07-23-2014, 12:32 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the testing :) I'll give it a try, do some quality testing of my own as well. I used clips using my bases for like a year and a half before I sold any, just to be sure they were really durable. For the felt, anything I sell before quality testing is completed.. well I'll just smother in e6000 :P Cause some of the styles I want to try I just won't be able to do with my regular bases. Thanks again!

Basic craft felt is plastic, not wool, and while it will hold some water, it's easily blotted out. Actually, you can coat the felt with silicone and work it in, to repel water, too!

Mermaid Kate Silverfin
08-10-2014, 01:02 AM
Can anyone suggest a good place to get nice realistic fake seaweed online? I live in Australia, and none of the craft stores or pet shops have nice selections. Thanks!

Mermaid Romy
08-10-2014, 01:06 AM
IKEA has fake plants that work really well! I found them by accident and they look really lovely. You just have to pull them from the foam bade

Mermaid Romy
08-10-2014, 01:07 AM
Base*

Mermaid Kate Silverfin
08-10-2014, 01:27 AM
Awesome, I'm not too far from one, thanks Romy! :)

Mermaid Romy
08-10-2014, 01:28 AM
You're very welcome C:

Winged Mermaid
08-10-2014, 04:19 AM
There are also a lot of sites for faux floral supplies. Try searching terms like "artificial greenery foliage" :)

Ilyena
08-10-2014, 06:43 AM
Cheap as chips I have found has nice ones :)

Mermaid Kate Silverfin
08-10-2014, 08:42 AM
Thanks Iona, I tried searching things like "fake aquarium plants" and didn't have much luck finding anything nice!
Ilyena: I'm not sure I have seen one of those stores, I'll keep an eye out! Thanks!

Kishiko
08-10-2014, 10:19 AM
Thanks Raina, I tried searching things like "fake aquarium plants" and didn't have much luck finding anything nice!
Ilyena: I'm not sure I have seen one of those stores, I'll keep an eye out! Thanks!

Lol I think you meant Iona. Since, you know, raina didn't post anything... :lol:

Mermaid Kate Silverfin
08-10-2014, 10:25 AM
Oopsies yep T_____T how embarrassing! I'll edit that now, *blush*

Chrissy
08-30-2014, 09:28 AM
I just went to Michaels this week to see what was on sale and I found a ton of fake plants on sale for 80% off!!!

Mermaid Galene
08-30-2014, 10:57 AM
Wow, good tip! Thanks!

Joy&RaptorsUnrestrained!
09-12-2014, 12:21 PM
Hey guys, I need some advice for my living trident project. I have this plastic trident that I got at party city, but I want to attach a whole bunch of toy sea life, real shells, and so forth onto it. Obviously I'll need to coat the shells in resin (thanks for the tip) and now thanks to this thread, I have some idea of what glue to use (though the listed types DO work on plastic, right?), but since the hilt of the trident is a boring old black, I kinda wanted to coat it in something that would harden and look like coral (in pinks, turquoise, blue, green, purple, peach, etc, with that coral-like texture). I could also see highlighting the gold-looking part of the prongs with something to look like coral or algae. But I haven't the foggiest idea what might suit that purpose. Ideally, it'd be something that could double as glue, so I could immediately apply the shells and sea life, but I'm less picky about that... just need some ideas of where to look and what to look for. Any advice?

Mermaid Jaffa
09-13-2014, 12:34 AM
Don't use so much glue so that when you press the object onto the surface it blobs out the sides. With E6000, you only need to use very little. Its industrial strength so even that little bit will stick whatever, for a very very long time. Once dry, E6000 can be quite difficult to paint as it does not absorb paints very well and you'd have to experiment what works and what doesn't. That is another reason why you only need a tiny dab of it, then you can paint your surface(s) or in your case, your trident staff without worrying about how you'll cover the gluey bits.

For painting plastic or rubber, enamel paints work very well. Its the type in spray cans and some hobby shops you can find them in little jars. As for skin safe, you'll need a skin safe and waterproof glaze or resin to go over the paint.

Krylon has spray paints that work on plastic too. I think that is skin safe, but not 100% sure, you'd have to look it up yourself.

mermaidopal
11-09-2014, 08:25 PM
When you all attach sea shells to bras/belts, do they come pre-drilled? Do you drill them yourself? Or do you glue them on somehow?
I want to make myself some accessories but I don't have access to any power tools.

Miyu
11-09-2014, 10:00 PM
Most folks tend to glue the shells down with E-6000 - I personally sew mine down. Glue and I don't really get along well together, and everything I have that has glue (whether I made it or bought it) tends to fall apart >.< My mertender has a Dremel, and he drills the holes for me.

mermaidopal
11-10-2014, 01:43 AM
Thanks for the advice, Miyu. Specifically I'm thinking of attaching shells to netting. My first instinct would be to sew (i would think glue wouldn't work since there wouldn't be enough surface area) but in that case I would have to buy shells with holes drilled in them already.

Miyu
11-10-2014, 03:37 AM
Hmm, I don't think I've seen any large shells with pre-drilled holes... Do let me know if you find any - I'd be interested in seeing them!

If you can't find any with pre-drilled holes, maybe you could purchase some shells and have them shipped to someone who can drill them for you, then have them shipped to you?

BayouMermaid
11-10-2014, 05:23 AM
I have a number of shells with predrilled holes, including some 5 inch lion paws. Also have smaller mixed shells. Let me know if you are interested and I can send pics.

PearlieMae
11-10-2014, 11:49 AM
I just made molds of some pretty big shells, 1 large scallop baking shell, shallow and flat; and 1 good sized Lion's Paw. I cast them in white resin (lightweight and durable!) and I rotocast them so there is space inside for boobage! Ready to paint, and I can drill them before I send them out. I'll take a photo of them tonight, if you like...they are going to be available in my Etsy shop!

Miyu
11-10-2014, 02:58 PM
Ooh, PearlieMae, I'm going to have to check those out :D

mermaidopal
11-11-2014, 02:59 AM
PearlieMae and BayouMermaid, pics would be great! ;D
Also to those interested, I found some pre-drilled shells on Etsy:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/158787549/drilled-sea-shell-drop-mix-half-pound?ref=hp_mod_rf
https://www.etsy.com/listing/181971100/green-limpet-seashell-beads-shell-beads?ref=favs_view_5
https://www.etsy.com/listing/128978511/18-shell-beads-with-pre-drilled-hole?ref=favs_view_6
https://www.etsy.com/listing/154833015/drilled-shell-mix-10-pcs?ref=favs_view_7
https://www.etsy.com/listing/95697479/shell-beadabalone-shellpaua-shell-flat?ref=favs_view_12

While we're on the topic of shells, I love abalone but I've heard that it's endangered. Does anyone know of shells that we mers should stay clear of? (It would be awkward if I was teaching kids about how to save the environment and then I had an endangered animal on my chest haha)

Miyu
11-11-2014, 03:57 AM
I personally try to only buy from sources that I know sell mainly shells from food-fishing and such - not critters that were caught and killed just for their shells! I'm trying to put together a list of ecological-minded shell/supplies vendors for my post in the environmentalism and conservation section of the forum :)

mermaidopal
11-11-2014, 05:55 PM
Miyu, that sounds like a great contribution!

BayouMermaid
11-11-2014, 11:34 PM
Here's NOAA's list of endangered invertebrates
SpeciesStatus

Acropora globiceps coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora globiceps)



Acropora jacquelineae (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora jacquelineae)



Acropora lokani (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora lokani)



Acropora pharaonis (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora pharaonis)



Acropora retusa (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora retusa)
Acropora rudis (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora rudis)



Acropora speciosa (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora speciosa)



Acropora tenella (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora tenella)



Acropora spinosa (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Acropora spinosa)



black abalone (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/blackabalone.htm)
(Haliotis cracherodii



boulder star coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Orbicella franksi)



Cantharellus noumeae coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/coral_cantharellus_noumeae.htm)



elkhorn coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/elkhorncoral.htm)
(Acropora palmata)



Euphyllia paradivisa (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Euphyllia paradivisa)



Floreana coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/floreanacoral.htm)
(Tubastraea floreana)



green abalone (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/greenabalone.htm)
(Haliotis fulgens)



Hawaiian reef coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/hawaiianreefcoral.htm)
(Montipora dilatata)



inarticulated brachiopod (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/inarticulatedbrachiopod.htm)
(Lingula reevii)



Isopora crateriformis (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Isopora crateriformis)



ivory tree coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/ivorytreecoral.htm)
(Oculina varicosa)
S



Johnson's seagrass (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/plants/johnsonsseagrass.htm)
(Halophila johnsonii)



lobed star coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Orbicella annularis)



Montipora australiensis (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Montipora australiensis)
mountainous star coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Orbicella faveolata)



Pavona diffluens (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Pavona diffluens)



pillar coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Dendrogyra cylindrus)



pink abalone (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/pinkabalone.htm)
(Haliotis corrugata)



pinto abalone (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/pintoabalone.htm)
(Haliotis kamtschatkana)



Porites napopora (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Porites napopora)



queen conch (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/queenconch.htm)
(Strombus gigas)



rough cactus coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Mycetophyllia ferox)
Seriatopora aculeata (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm) coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/corals.htm)
(Seriatopora aculeata)



Siderastrea glynni coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/coral_siderastrea_glynni.htm)
C



staghorn coral (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/staghorncoral.htm)
(Acropora cervicornis)



white abalone (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/whiteabalone.htm)
(Haliotis sorenseni)






http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/invertebrates/#mollusca

Aziara
02-19-2015, 03:58 PM
Is there any reason I rarely (if ever) see polished lion's paws used for tops? I'm thinking of using it for my next one, but I was wondering if there was some reason no one uses them. https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-48699173286383/polished-lion-s-paw-seashells-5-to-6-1.jpg

Winged Mermaid
02-19-2015, 04:33 PM
People use them for tops, they're just not common because finding them in person can be rare, and ordering online they tend to be overpriced. Also they can be a bit more on the fragile side (when compared to non polished) and chip easier. But yeah, people use them :) I've had 3 pairs sitting in my craft shells waiting to be used for a few years haha- I am horrid when it comes to procrastinating making tops :P So if you like them, yeah use them! They're very pretty :)

Aziara
02-19-2015, 04:58 PM
People use them for tops, they're just not common because finding them in person can be rare, and ordering online they tend to be overpriced. Also they can be a bit more on the fragile side (when compared to non polished) and chip easier. But yeah, people use them :) I've had 3 pairs sitting in my craft shells waiting to be used for a few years haha- I am horrid when it comes to procrastinating making tops :P So if you like them, yeah use them! They're very pretty :)
Huzzah! I did find some for quite cheap at this site:
http://www.seashellco.com/lions-pawnatural-polished-57-p-1233.html

Mary Marine
02-19-2015, 07:26 PM
So I have everything I need to make my shell bra, but I've put off working on it because the next step is attaching the fake seaweed. I really REALLY don't like sewing and dread the thought of hand stitching all that (I need to use a lot since the lion's paws leave a lot of the bra uncovered).

My question is has anyone ever glued the plastic seaweed directly to the bra fabric? The glued down bits would later be covered by the shells so what it looks like is not an issue, but I worry about the glue not adhering to the plastic stems very well. I have both gorilla glue and E6000. I can still stitch down seaweed in some places, I just don't want to do it for dozens of pieces.

mermaidopal
02-19-2015, 08:31 PM
Mary, my top from Etsy has the seaweed glued down. Not sure what kind of glue the seller used, but it's definitely better than hand sewing the whole thing because that would take forever. I would advise hand sewing the high-impact areas (the spot in between the shells in the front has already had a couple pieces fall off) and if you figure out a good way to clamp it while it is gluing that would probably help the adhesion. Also, be careful to glue it while the fabric is stretched. If you don't, the glue will prevent it from stretching once it's dried and you won't be able to put it on!

Winged Mermaid
02-19-2015, 09:46 PM
I used E6000 for adhering my plastic plants to my bra cups, and I have yet to have any come off! I use gorilla glue to adhere the shells to the top as I find it's heavier weight. I also either find a way to clamp the shells while drying or apply glue as directed put on the bra, put the shells where I want them then lay stomach down so my weight acts as clamps till it starts to harden (about an hour).

Another tip I'd give you, is that you can bunch a few pieces of fax plants together with hot glue, then use E6000 to glue them to the bra. Works like a charm for me :) For the straps though, you have to either stretch the band while you glue/while the glue dries OR sew stuff on. I prefer to sew stuff when it comes to the bra strap because it keeping it's elasticity is important, and with all the stretching the glue is more likely to come off over time.

Naufra
02-25-2015, 01:51 AM
Has anyone worked with this kind of shell before? Is it strong enough for a top?

http://www.deltonaseashells.com/inc/sdetail/130/180305

Mermaid Wesley
02-26-2015, 05:41 PM
I've never seen one but it might be too narrow for a top


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Mermaid Momo
02-26-2015, 06:15 PM
Is the 8-9 inches, in width or length? I think at 8-9 inches in length it might be a bit large for a top (unless you have a large top are that can fit 2 without looking awkward)

Mermaid Pickles
02-26-2015, 07:48 PM
I had a shell like that. It's not really a good shape for a top unless you have multiples on each side of the top, and that might be a bit uncomfortable.

Naufra
02-27-2015, 03:40 PM
8-9" is what it would take to cover my boobs decently, Momo, I'm a very big lady even if my chest is proportionally small. I took measurements. I'm having a hard time finding big enough shells, regular lions paws are just too small. :( It seems to be the consensus that they're a bad shape, though, so I guess I'll have to keep looking.

mermaidopal
02-27-2015, 05:10 PM
Naufra, I'm not sure if this would be helpful but "Myth and Magic" on Etsy does silicone shells that are 6.5 x 6 " (https://www.etsy.com/listing/165286472/xl-soft-mermaid-seashells?ref=shop_home_active_17) which is the largest I've found tbh. Pearlie Mae also sells cast shells on her Etsy which are smaller (5" I believe.https://www.etsy.com/listing/211016974/resin-lions-paw-shells-for-mermaid-tops?ref=related-5) but she may be able to cast larger ones for you for a custom price? any shell that large unfortunately will probably be pretty expensive. Maybe you can get one of those and then put it on a bra and fill it in with smaller shells or greenery?

Mermaid Pickles
02-27-2015, 06:05 PM
Naufra, I know how you feel in the boobage department. You could also get sequins to fill in extra space too.

Naufra
02-27-2015, 10:28 PM
Thank you for bringing those up, Opal. I have seen them before, and I just might ask Pearlie if she can help since neither of those would be big enough. The dry-wear top I currently have is actually studded with many small seashells. I will definitely need to add extra decorations no matter what shells I use, but I don't want it to look like seashell pasties on a bush. I've seen some that look like that, and it's not something I want for myself. Perhaps sequins are the way to go on this one, I'll look into that.

Pickles, the sad thing about this is that I'm actually a B-cup. 44-B.

mermaidopal
02-27-2015, 10:47 PM
"seashell pasties on a bush"
LOL that's what I was worried about too. Sequins could be a good alternative! Or if you were able to save up, I think some of the silicone tops like the Merbellas seaweed ones would look awesome!

Mermaid Pickles
02-27-2015, 11:07 PM
Oooh, that's not a size often seen. Opal, that's true too. Thing is, I'd have to pay a bunch extra for someone else to make a top for me because I'm a 34E and uh...bras are about eighty dollars apiece for me. XD

Little_Orca
02-28-2015, 12:47 AM
Is there any reason I rarely (if ever) see polished lion's paws used for tops? I'm thinking of using it for my next one, but I was wondering if there was some reason no one uses them. https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-48699173286383/polished-lion-s-paw-seashells-5-to-6-1.jpg

*Paws at.... no pun intended.*

BayouMermaid
02-28-2015, 08:54 AM
I've never seen them before. I can't imagine a reason why they couldn't be used though.

Naufra
02-28-2015, 04:31 PM
I believe someone responded earlier in the thread that the polished lion's paws aren't as strong as the regular ones and are more prone to chipping. Too bad, they're so pretty!

Aziara
02-28-2015, 08:36 PM
Well, I just got in a pair from an ebay seller (If anybody is wondering, shrumer2000 is an awesome seller), and to say that they are 'weaker' than normal lion's paws is kinda misleading. You can say someone is weaker than the current heavy-weight wrestling champ, and they still could be pretty strong, lol. I'd say that polished lion's paws would be the same. The unpolished ones are pretty much unbreakable, so the polished ones are still somewhat tough. I wouldn't go banging them around, but I don't really think that tops get that much abuse. Unfortunately my camera is having trouble picking up the gorgeous shine and shimmer they have...http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o554/Aziara86/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150228_193344.jpg (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/Aziara86/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150228_193344.jpg.html)

Naufra
02-28-2015, 08:58 PM
I look forward to seeing what you make with them, Aziara! ^_^

mermaidopal
02-28-2015, 09:58 PM
Good to know. I assumed they were a little thinner from pics, but it looks like they will make a great top!

Keiris
06-17-2015, 01:34 AM
[QUOTE=Merman Dylan;198372]Can someone help me with this? I want to make merman bracers, but I'm not sure about all the materials I need to do a good job. I have lots of wire to use. This the sculpting aluminum kind. I was wondering if you could offer any advice for making the Bracers and what kind of materials I need to use.[/QUOTE

Hi Dylan! Are you wanting bracers with fins and scales or more metal cuffs? You could create beautiful silicone bracers which would stretch to fit your arms with a small investment in the smallest shipment the Dragonskin comes in. It can be painted any color combination you wish as long as you mix the paint with the silicone.

Have you worked with it before?

Mermaid Jaffa
06-17-2015, 01:53 AM
You need stainless steel wires. Any other type of wire and it will rust and tarnish. May also cause allergic reactions on the skin.

PearlieMae
06-17-2015, 11:55 AM
Make your master out of your armature wire, clay, and whatever else you want...then make a mold using a urethane resin, or silicone mold rubber, and then use platinum cure (Dragonskin) silicone to cast the brace. Pigment the silicone so you don't have to paint it. Make sure you sculpt an overlap so you can 'glue' the bracer together with more silicone. Voila!

PearlieMae
06-17-2015, 12:57 PM
Basic sculpting and casting info. Hope you like videos!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfaq-2udXbx8BNbuzRvc5sg

Keiris
06-17-2015, 01:57 PM
I just got an idea. My local Joann's sells a material that is water resistant that I tried making a belt out of, and they sell all kinds of spandex, polyester, and other water resistant swimwear fabrics. They also sell a variety of hemp and aquatic plant based rope. I could try making a fabric bracer. I'm pretty good with needle and thread sewing by hand. I like sculpting wire because it's like weaving with a tougher material. i'd love to learn about silicone products, but this is the idea I just got.

Dylan, you can buy all kinds of textured vinyl and synthetic leathers at Joanns. These would be simple to cut into a large cuff like shape. You can then paint on scales add fins out of the same stuff or switch to some of the shimmery diaphanous fabric for the fins and reinforce them with your wire. Use a silicone glue safe for aquariums to anchor and coat the wire in place. You can also coat the whole thing with a very thin layer of this same glue to waterproof it. It comes in tubes at Lowes or Home Depot.

Another way to create the bracers and is MUCH simpler than sculpting everything first using the Dragonskin silicone. Smooth-On sells it in different sizes and you can order it directly. Cured silicone will peel off any slick surface such as a counter or floor. It is a 2- part process. When you order it comes in equal parts of A and B and have to be mixed in exact ratios to cure correctly. I just use a cake mixer. If you want to color the silicone all the way through add a LITTLE paint or powdered pigment to part B first and achieve the color you want as a base then mix in part A.

If you had created a mold, now is when you would pour the silicone in to cure. However, if you want a simple sheet of silicone that you can cut into any variety of shapes including scales and thin translucent fins, pour some into a cookie sheet, let it cure and peel it out. I use a release agent, Mann Ease Release 200 spray, also available from Smooth-On. Spray the cookie sheet first.

Once you peel out the silicone sheet you can cut it into the scale shape of your choice. Mix up a little silicone to use as glue since silicone ONLY sticks to silicone. Overlap your circles/scales and add a little silicone where they touch to glue them in place. You can create a whole scaled bracer this way. Then cast another cookie sheet for your fins. peel and cut them into the shape you want. They will be very floppy and fin-like. Glue them in place with more silicone running down the length of the bracer. You will want to use straight pins to pin them in place while the silicone cures. Once everything is cured and the way you want it, you can now add more paint to highlight the scales, add veins to the fins, etc. Just remember the pigment MUST be mixed with silicone to stick. You can use a little Naptha to thin it sown to make it a little more fluid. Et Voila!

You can PM me if you have any questions. Good Luck!

Keiris
06-17-2015, 10:18 PM
I used that same trim for the Hem of a Neptune costume! :)

Mermaid Jaffa
06-18-2015, 12:03 AM
Wrap it around your upper arm like a snake!

MermaidCelesteFL
06-18-2015, 06:42 PM
Make sure it's super tight, I noticed even my silicone bracers moved around in the water, and fabric is bound to be more flowy.

mermaidopal
08-22-2015, 12:31 AM
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a circlet base? I recently chopped my hair to a pixie and would like to make a circlet. I love the look of some of the wire circlets out there, but I would like to make something that goes a little bit more with the shell/fake plant look I have going on with my top. (I have an adorable hairclip from etsy, but unfortunately my hair is too short to use clips now.) I see that some people use metal chains but i'm not super familiar with jewelry making and what is water proof, so I'm wondering if maybe i can do some sort of netting base? Let me know your thoughts. Here's along the lines of what I was looking for:
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Naufra
08-22-2015, 09:36 PM
I haven't worked with actual fishing net yet, but most fibrous materials, like cloth or rope, stretch when they get wet. With this in mind, I would recommend finding a base material that doesn't absorb water. You'll notice in the second picture you posted that they've used chain as the base and attached the netting to it with jump rings, this way is the net does stretch when wet it won't affect the fit of the circlet. If you do go with the netting as the base, you'll want to keep it lightweight so it won't slip down as readily or maybe add a cross-piece that goes over the top of your head to help keep it up. For swimming in it, you would need to secure it to your hair somehow. If the netting is thin enough, you could use bobby pins to hold it in place, though they would be visible with your hair so short.

As for water-safe metals, most jewelry metals do not react much to water, especially precious metals. Craft store jewelry chain is normally just fine with water, but if you're super-worried about it then I would recommend looking for jewelry parts that say that they're plated in a precious metal. This is a more expensive way to go, but peace-of-mind has value. I don't recommend using copper or bronze so much because they're more likely to oxidize in water and copper alloys are more easily eroded by human sweat and skin oils, but if that's the color scheme you want I suggest coating the metal to protect it. Rustoleum is perfect for this, and nail polish top coat (the clear kind) can work, too, if you take the time to do it carefully. Nail polish will have to be reapplied every so often if you sweat on it a lot.

I'm a trained goldsmith with a college degree in jewelry and I'm pretty handy with other areas of costuming, too, so you're welcome to PM me with any questions, Opal. ^_^

Merman Dylan
08-25-2015, 12:07 AM
I'm not a jewelry expert, but I know a little bit about sculpting. There's a sculpting material called sculpting wire. It's thin and malleable. Depending on how you bend it, you can create all kinds of shapes. When you twist them into a pattern, the wire can become very strong and unique. The metal doesn't rust or erode if you get the right kind, but I learned from working with it that it does seem to rub something onto your hands. I think the body heat heats up the wire and it leaves a gray or silver mark on your hands that rubs off onto your hands.

This is an example of what you can create with sculpting wire. It comes in all kinds of thickness, and you can create something more hollow or solid depending on how much of the different kinds of wire you use.

http://www.wirelady.com/eaglefishcropd.jpg

PearlieMae
08-25-2015, 12:31 AM
It's aluminum wire and very soft. It can be distorted very easily...that's why it's used as an armature, so it can be repositioned while you're sculpting over the top of it. The aluminum will rub off onto your skin.

mermaidopal
08-26-2015, 12:35 AM
Great, thanks for the info everyone!

Rennara
10-11-2015, 05:24 PM
I know this is an older thread, but does anyone have experience with making swimmable accessories out of polymer clay?

Winged Mermaid
10-11-2015, 10:24 PM
Myself and many other use polymer clay to make swimmable accessories and decorations, they're fine for water wear :)

Mermaid Wesley
10-13-2015, 08:47 PM
Myself and many other use polymer clay to make swimmable accessories and decorations, they're fine for water wear :)

I know you say this but gosh I am too afraid to wear the lovely earrings you made me in the water lol


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PetLoverSpy
12-18-2015, 03:21 PM
The suggestion of acrylic paint to paint shells with — does it stay underwater? I want to make a headdress primarily for dry events, but if I could take it underwater every now and then for special shoots ... that'd be cool.

Same question for superglue, really. Can it withstand water?

Winged Mermaid
12-18-2015, 07:57 PM
The suggestion of acrylic paint to paint shells with — does it stay underwater? I want to make a headdress primarily for dry events, but if I could take it underwater every now and then for special shoots ... that'd be cool.

Same question for superglue, really. Can it withstand water?

Both of those questions are answered in the original post :)

PetLoverSpy
12-18-2015, 08:12 PM
I did see both substances mentioned but wasn't sure if it was in the context of dry events or underwater wear. I take it everything's meant to work underwater, then?

Winged Mermaid
12-18-2015, 09:52 PM
I did see both substances mentioned but wasn't sure if it was in the context of dry events or underwater wear. I take it everything's meant to work underwater, then?

Yes, that's correct! Sorry I guess I didn't state that very clearly :P If there's issue with something not working for underwater wear or it's better for dry wear I mention that specifically. (Like how I noted that hot glue is not good for for continuous underwater wear.)

PetLoverSpy
12-18-2015, 11:40 PM
No I just wanted to be absolutely sure, I often miss the subtleties of human language xP Thank you!

Spindrift
12-20-2015, 07:59 AM
Was thinking of using a roll of burlap (like those ribbons) to use as backing for hair accessories. Can anyone confirm that this will hold up? The alternative is felt, which I have seen used before. I'm worried about mold. Thanks! :)

MermaidSabrina
12-23-2015, 10:33 PM
I'm just curious because I'm not gonna take any risks and have a disgusting top,would 84% spandex be okay? (Sorry for awkwardly entering the thread,I'd just rather be safe than sorry :) )

Winged Mermaid
12-24-2015, 12:18 AM
I don't see why not! I can't tell you the exact fabrics to go for percentage wise, you just kind of have to feel the fabric. If it helps the bras I use are 80% Nylon/20% Spandex

Spindrift
12-24-2015, 05:27 AM
No love for my question :( :( :(

AmbrGlows
12-24-2015, 05:34 AM
Was thinking of using a roll of burlap (like those ribbons) to use as backing for hair accessories. Can anyone confirm that this will hold up? The alternative is felt, which I have seen used before. I'm worried about mold. Thanks! :)
Will the burlap be visible? Any backing will show wear and tear over time.

I hope that helps.

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Spindrift
12-24-2015, 06:46 AM
Will the burlap be visible? Any backing will show wear and tear over time.

I hope that helps.

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It would only be visible for the parts directly up against someone's hair. I was more worried about mold rather than wear and tear

AmbrGlows
12-24-2015, 07:13 AM
It would only be visible for the parts directly up against someone's hair. I was more worried about mold rather than wear and tear
Hmm, I would think so long as the piece was rinsed thoroughly after use...especially after salt and fresh water swims...and allowed to fully air dry before being put away they would be okay.

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Spindrift
12-24-2015, 08:14 AM
Hmm, I would think so long as the piece was rinsed thoroughly after use...especially after salt and fresh water swims...and allowed to fully air dry before being put away they would be okay.

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Thank you! I guess we'll just see how this goes :3

AmbrGlows
12-24-2015, 08:14 AM
Thank you! I guess we'll just see how this goes :3
Best of luck to you.

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Winged Mermaid
12-24-2015, 09:10 AM
No love for my question :( :( :(

Sorry Spindrift! Slipped through the cracks :P I haven't used any burlap, but craft felt I haven't had any mold issues with at all. It's "acrylic felt" so it's mostly plastic anyways. Also, I find that the glue permeates the felt and makes it even more non absorbent. Just go for the cheap rough/plasticy feeling felt and not the more fabricy felt (the kind that comes in pre cut squares in case you're unaware). It doesn't tend to hold water and seems to dry quickly.
I always rinse my accessories after, pat them dry, and let them air dry completely before storing them anywhere. That helps too :)

AmbrGlows
12-24-2015, 09:31 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on head accessories for a mermaid with little to no hair?

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Spindrift
12-24-2015, 09:50 AM
Sorry Spindrift! Slipped through the cracks :P I haven't used any burlap, but craft felt I haven't had any mold issues with at all. It's "acrylic felt" so it's mostly plastic anyways. Also, I find that the glue permeates the felt and makes it even more non absorbent. Just go for the cheap rough/plasticy feeling felt and not the more fabricy felt (the kind that comes in pre cut squares in case you're unaware). It doesn't tend to hold water and seems to dry quickly.
I always rinse my accessories after, pat them dry, and let them air dry completely before storing them anywhere. That helps too :)

Sounds good! Thank you! :)

Spindrift
12-24-2015, 10:03 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on head accessories for a mermaid with little to no hair?

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Maybe a crown! :D
Have you looked into wigs? If not, and I love the crown idea. Or a headdress!

AmbrGlows
12-24-2015, 10:07 AM
Maybe a crown! :D
Have you looked into wigs? If not, and I love the crown idea. Or a headdress!
I have a hard time wearing wigs for extended periods of time. When I think about wearing one in water I can't see it going well.

I hadn't thought of a headdress at all.

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Naufra
12-26-2015, 07:09 PM
Ambrglows, I don't know if you're into this idea, but I just had a visualization while reading your question of a wig made entirely of sequins built on a swim cap. Just a sequin-covered swim cap with many strands of sequins streaming behind. This is probably an out-there idea, but I think it would look cool underwater, like your hair was made of shimmering scales. It would take a lot less maintenance than a regular wig and might be easier to wear.

AmbrGlows
12-26-2015, 07:13 PM
Ambrglows, I don't know if you're into this idea, but I just had a visualization while reading your question of a wig made entirely of sequins built on a swim cap. Just a sequin-covered swim cap with many strands of sequins streaming behind. This is probably an out-there idea, but I think it would look cool underwater, like your hair was made of shimmering scales. It would take a lot less maintenance than a regular wig and might be easier to wear.
Hmm, that is an interesting idea.

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Spindrift
12-26-2015, 09:07 PM
Hmm, that is an interesting idea.

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The movie Empires of the Deep did this:

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Mermaid Julianne
12-26-2015, 10:37 PM
The movie Empires of the Deep did this:

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Wow! What gorgeous tops!

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Mermaid Lilium
12-27-2015, 08:12 AM
So just to throw my two cents in on shell top making... I followed some previous advice and used gorilla glue.

Never using it for shells again. It was too temperamental, and a pain to clean up any excess. My £60 abalone shells are now on slightly wonky due to it. And I discovered two things... It doesn't cure well to plastic plants. And I'm fairly certain it's the cause for why all the resin on the front of the shells suddenly peeled off, luckily it's not done it to the back of the shells yet though.

Going back to my trusty e6000 next time!

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Spindrift
12-27-2015, 12:04 PM
So just to throw my two cents in on shell top making... I followed some previous advice and used gorilla glue.

Never using it for shells again. It was too temperamental, and a pain to clean up any excess. My £60 abalone shells are now on slightly wonky due to it. And I discovered two things... It doesn't cure well to plastic plants. And I'm fairly certain it's the cause for why all the resin on the front of the shells suddenly peeled off, luckily it's not done it to the back of the shells yet though.

Going back to my trusty e6000 next time!

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Am curious, did you also use clamps? My gorilla glue bottle also says that the surface you're gluing it to needs to be damp, but am not sure if that is required for all gorilla glue variations for application.

Mermaid Lilium
12-27-2015, 12:36 PM
Used clamps and followed directions.

Dampened bra and plants and applied a thin layer of glue to the shell and clamped it in place.

The peeling resin worked to my advantage though as it allowed me to peel off the wonky shell and use e6000 instead.

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Adalira
12-27-2015, 12:47 PM
I have a question about making hair clips.
About 2 years ago i started making hair clips, but now i am not sure i am using the correct kind of hair clip.
I would like to make all kinds of hair clips, also with big decorations on them like feathers and flowers.
What would be the best kind the use?
I will include photos of the options i think are out there, maybe i am forgetting an even better option, please let me know if so.
This is the kind i was using:
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Then there are also these options i believe:
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And these are the kind of hair clips i made:
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Which kind of hair clip would make the piece stay on best?

Mermaid Wesley
12-27-2015, 05:04 PM
I did gorilla glue on my shell top and one popped of while swimming haha oops


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Mermaid Lilium
12-27-2015, 05:45 PM
Well I decided to rip the other shell off and re-glue it with e6000 too just in case lol

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Spindrift
12-27-2015, 07:05 PM
I have a question about making hair clips.
About 2 years ago i started making hair clips, but now i am not sure i am using the correct kind of hair clip.
I would like to make all kinds of hair clips, also with big decorations on them like feathers and flowers.
What would be the best kind the use?
I will include photos of the options i think are out there, maybe i am forgetting an even better option, please let me know if so.
This is the kind i was using:
34833

Then there are also these options i believe:
34834

34835

And these are the kind of hair clips i made:
34836

34837

Which kind of hair clip would make the piece stay on best?

I've been using barrettes and the Bobby pins and crown clips as extra to hold things in place. I've seen some people also use crocodile clips but the barrettes seem to be the most common. It also depends on the type of hair you have. My hair is thick and a bit dry so barrettes work well. My friend's is super silky so crocodile clips are better with more grip.

Spindrift
12-27-2015, 07:08 PM
Used clamps and followed directions.

Dampened bra and plants and applied a thin layer of glue to the shell and clamped it in place.

The peeling resin worked to my advantage though as it allowed me to peel off the wonky shell and use e6000 instead.

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At least it worked out! My gorilla glue bottle is the construction kind from home depot. Maybe that makes the difference?

Mermaid Lilium
12-27-2015, 07:15 PM
I'll take a photo of the bottle in a bit for you. I tried to be clever and buy a huge bottle expecting that I'd end up using it on tops for others... Yeahhhh regretting that choice now lol

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Adalira
12-28-2015, 03:21 AM
Thank you Spindrift, that was very helpful, it's great to learnn more about hairclips and other options :-)

Spindrift
12-28-2015, 06:14 AM
Thank you Spindrift, that was very helpful, it's great to learnn more about hairclips and other options :-)

No problem :)

Vrindavana Starfish
12-28-2015, 11:09 AM
I have a question about making hair clips.
About 2 years ago i started making hair clips, but now i am not sure i am using the correct kind of hair clip.
I would like to make all kinds of hair clips, also with big decorations on them like feathers and flowers.
What would be the best kind the use?
I will include photos of the options i think are out there, maybe i am forgetting an even better option, please let me know if so.
This is the kind i was using:
34833

Then there are also these options i believe:
34834

34835

And these are the kind of hair clips i made:
34836

34837

Which kind of hair clip would make the piece stay on best?

I hate the barrettes. My fine hair gets all tangled in the hinges and rips out. But the little alligator, or snap clips and bobbies work great. Those are beautiful hair clips, btw.

Adalira
12-28-2015, 03:59 PM
Thank you so much for both the compliment and the information. I really appreciate it :)

tessie
01-24-2016, 04:49 PM
Any tips to keep a headpiece in place? I just made this thing --> 35331
It sits on my head really nicely when its dry, but I feel like it's just going to fall off as soon as I start swimming... I've thought of using a metal headband, but it makes the headpiece look too bulky. Have people had any luck using an elastic band to keep headpieces on?

Mermaid Cataleya
01-24-2016, 06:45 PM
what do u use for on the pack of your shells ontop of the clip what kind miteral is that??? and u said to use E600 for the glue to hold on stuff will hotglue not work well?

tessie
01-24-2016, 07:29 PM
I bought some really cheap aquarium plants from amazon. I've heard that e6000 is overall better, but I think hot glue would work just as well

Mermaid Cataleya
01-24-2016, 10:41 PM
Thought I'd share mine .this is my first time ever making anything like this I am kind of proud of myself because it did turn out really well I plan on venturing out and using some of the coins that I got from Jamaica on my next price http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/2c13cb3dca8c7749cacc947540a1409a.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/1cf4f79152f382aa123a01b782ab66bf.jpg


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Spindrift
01-25-2016, 05:35 AM
Any tips to keep a headpiece in place? I just made this thing --> 35331
It sits on my head really nicely when its dry, but I feel like it's just going to fall off as soon as I start swimming... I've thought of using a metal headband, but it makes the headpiece look too bulky. Have people had any luck using an elastic band to keep headpieces on?

If you use a metal headband, can you use your hair to cover the "bulkiness"?

Spindrift
01-25-2016, 05:36 AM
Thought I'd share mine .this is my first time ever making anything like this I am kind of proud of myself because it did turn out really well I plan on venturing out and using some of the coins that I got from Jamaica on my next price http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/2c13cb3dca8c7749cacc947540a1409a.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/1cf4f79152f382aa123a01b782ab66bf.jpg


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Lovely!

Mermaid Cataleya
01-25-2016, 11:12 AM
aww thank you spindrift, in your opp tho did i make the seeweed part to long?? I Am trying to make it look as natural as possiable

Adalira
01-25-2016, 11:43 AM
Thought I'd share mine .this is my first time ever making anything like this I am kind of proud of myself because it did turn out really well I plan on venturing out and using some of the coins that I got from Jamaica on my next price http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/2c13cb3dca8c7749cacc947540a1409a.jpg http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160125/1cf4f79152f382aa123a01b782ab66bf.jpg


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That looks very cute!

Mermaid Cataleya
01-25-2016, 10:37 PM
That looks very cute!

thank you very much. I am going to make a full head peice soon the one that clips on both sides with letting around the back with Jamaican coins on it.

Adalira
01-26-2016, 05:02 AM
oooh, that sounds awesome!

tessie
01-29-2016, 01:52 AM
If you use a metal headband, can you use your hair to cover the "bulkiness"?

The main thing is that the headband looks out of place and doesn't hold well to the headpiece :(

Mermaid Lilium
01-29-2016, 11:36 AM
Only other thing I can suggest is using stretch plastic jewellery cord to create a headband that will hold it on but hide easily in your hair

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Ashton
02-02-2016, 02:51 PM
Any tips to keep a headpiece in place? I just made this thing --> 35331
It sits on my head really nicely when its dry, but I feel like it's just going to fall off as soon as I start swimming... I've thought of using a metal headband, but it makes the headpiece look too bulky. Have people had any luck using an elastic band to keep headpieces on?


The only way I have found to keep stuff like that on your head is to bobby pin and hair clip it to the gods and back (loooots of fasteners).

MermaidCrystall
02-16-2016, 05:11 PM
Quick question. .. I'm making my own shelled top. For under water swimming should I apply a sealant or would I be fine without? �� My husband bought Mod Podge Dishwasher - safe gloss. A water base sealer, glue and finish. I'm hoping this would work..

Calizaire
02-16-2016, 05:30 PM
Quick question. .. I'm making my own shelled top. For under water swimming should I apply a sealant or would I be fine without? 🐠

If I paint the shells I like to add a sealent just for durability; to prevent scratches or scuffs. But it's not necessary.

Mermaid Momo
02-16-2016, 07:33 PM
Quick question. .. I'm making my own shelled top. For under water swimming should I apply a sealant or would I be fine without? �� My husband bought Mod Podge Dishwasher - safe gloss. A water base sealer, glue and finish. I'm hoping this would work..

I sealed mine to keep the color from fading or coming off and because my top has a lot of glitter on it and I didn't want to glitter any poor soul that was in the water with me.

MermaidCrystall
02-16-2016, 09:52 PM
Thanks merfolks. I appreciate your help.

Merenneito Nerissa
04-04-2016, 06:38 AM
Ok, I'm done using epoxy, it says it's waterproof but obviously it's not chlorine proof :D It formed this very strange, stretchy thingy when used in pool, and one shell dropped off. E6000 has been quite ok but still not the best, the shells I've glued has started to come off when used for a while. I've decided I'd give gorilla glue a try, but I'm a bit unsure where and how to wet and what :D (language barrier is present too, all directions in the bottle are in english) So when you have used gorilla glue, did you wet only the other surface? When gluing a shell to the bra base, which surface you prefer to wet? Would it strengthen the bond if I'd wet both? How much water, do you just wipe the surface with a wet cloth?

Winged Mermaid
04-04-2016, 07:18 AM
Ok, I'm done using epoxy, it says it's waterproof but obviously it's not chlorine proof :D It formed this very strange, stretchy thingy when used in pool, and one shell dropped off. E6000 has been quite ok but still not the best, the shells I've glued has started to come off when used for a while. I've decided I'd give gorilla glue a try, but I'm a bit unsure where and how to wet and what :D (language barrier is present too, all directions in the bottle are in english) So when you have used gorilla glue, did you wet only the other surface? When gluing a shell to the bra base, which surface you prefer to wet? Would it strengthen the bond if I'd wet both? How much water, do you just wipe the surface with a wet cloth?

With gorilla glue you wet one surfaces slightly, to make it damp. I just use a wet cloth or paper towel. With a bra I'll usually wet both the shell and the bra though.

Sounds like you're having a lot of issues that you shouldn't be though... are you cleaning sanding smooth surfaces to give the glue more grip, wiping the oils from the things you're gluing beforehand (rubbing alcohol or acetone), and clamping the pieces you're gluing while they cure? Great glue is great, but it's really those important steps that make all the difference in the strength of the bond.

For example, I glued shells that didn't even touch the bra on most of the surface area, and it held up for 2 years before the shell started coming lose, and I felt I needed to reglue. I mean my experience isn't going to reflect everyone elses for sure! But, I've seen lot of people skip most, if not all, of those steps to get a good bond. Then wonder why the glue doesn't hold. Not saying you are in particular, just trying to stress (for you and anyone else reading this) that yes, they really DO make a difference :)

Merenneito Nerissa
04-04-2016, 08:14 AM
With gorilla glue you wet one surfaces slightly, to make it damp. I just use a wet cloth or paper towel. With a bra I'll usually wet both the shell and the bra though.

Sounds like you're having a lot of issues that you shouldn't be though... are you cleaning sanding smooth surfaces to give the glue more grip, wiping the oils from the things you're gluing beforehand (rubbing alcohol or acetone), and clamping the pieces you're gluing while they cure? Great glue is great, but it's really those important steps that make all the difference in the strength of the bond.




Thank you so much for quick response :)

I actually have done all that, I even use dremel first to make the surface of the shell really rough so that it'd attach even stronger. I also use acetone as a cleaner. I haven't specificly clamped the things (mostly cause I don't own clamps) but I use scuba weights on top of the things to make the bond stronger ( Bra is on top of the plastic torso which I then put laying on the floor, then I use some cloths to protect the shells surfaces when I put those weights on top of them to press them down). Should I order clamps or would it make much of a difference? Maybe I used wrong kind of an epoxy also... :/ I used Loctite epoxy since it was the most expensive one from the shop but of course more money doesn't always guarantee the quality. Clearly there's something I have done wrong but I just can't figure out what it is.

Winged Mermaid
04-05-2016, 05:28 AM
You've done everything right, but the type of glue- I'm pretty certian that's your problem. My brain somehow glossed over that you used epoxy! It's true that you need the right glue for the right job or it won't go over so well. But it can be an easy mistake to make :)
Epoxy is only really good for gluing rigid things, not things that need flexibility. For mermaid accessories, I'd only really recommend it for gluing a broken shell or gluing shells together, or shells to glass, things like that. (At least in my experience and opinion.) Epoxy is like superglue in that it can be very strong if used on the right materials and in the right way. But if it's not, it can be brittle. It's mainly used for common fixes like gluing things like glass, ceramic, china, tile, stone, things like that that don't need to bend to function.

Especially for a top, you need something that can be flexible, or at least be strong enough to handle the flexibility that happens with a top. E6000 can handle flex very well - if you've ever played with a dried strip of it, it's really stretchy.

Gorilla glue can flex to an extent because it's slightly bendy and expands (so it's full of air), which is typically fine for shells on cups of bras, in my experience. With gorilla glue it helps that it expands to get more surface area on odd shaped shells that don't touch much of the surface area of the bra (like abalone shell bras). Plus since it expands, it expands a bit into the material as well, locking it in. But I've learned over time (usually a year or two) as it gets older it can become more brittle, which means it can start to give out on tops. For me that just means I reglue it every few years, no big deal. Just FYI :)

Weights can help, but clamping applies a lot more force, and more concentrated force. Usually different kinds of clamps can be found at hardware stores for cheap. I've also applied glue, put the shells in place, then laid on my stomach putting the weight on the shells for like an hour or two. I did that becuase I couldn't clamp the shells on, since the placing was too awkward for that. (Just be aware that sometimes the glue can seep down.. I accidentally glued netting to my skin putting a top together like that, once :P) That applies a lot more weight, and concentrated weight, than putting weights on it while it dries. But if you can make clamps work, I'd recommend that.

Hope that helps! :)

Merenneito Nerissa
04-05-2016, 08:17 AM
Thank you so much again, Iona, this is really helpful :)

I have also learned that epoxy should only be used for places which don't have movement since it shouldn't be so flexible. However this epoxy I used just somehow reacted with chlorine and it transformed to this flexible, non-sticky formula, so it wasn't even hard anymore(which I have understand is the reason it shouldn't be used in the areas with a lots of movement stress, since it could break). It was like plastic chewing gum, very weird. I have used hot glue at beginning and for me it has so far worked the best. I only started to find solutions because I read from here that it isn't good for tops or especially attaching shells, even though I haven't yet had problems with it. I started to test attachments by combining hot glue and E6000 but it still started to come off (I used directions from this thread, hot glue kept the plastic plants in place and then I glued shells with E6000 on top of it) . I also used E6000 alone but it did the same thing. I think I maybe didn't use it as big amounts as needed. For one bra I used like 2/3 of 2 oz tube. (it just is so expensive.. In Finland it costs like 20 euros per 59 ml, which is smthn like 25 usd for 2 oz. I maybe have to start to find out some online stores which sell it, I haven't even realised before how ridiculous the price difference is, just spotted a tube of 3,7 oz from Michael's for 4,99usd)

I also started to think that it might actually have similar affect if I just placed the mannequin doll on it's stomach after placing the shells with gorilla glue in place and put lots of weights on top. Or maybe I just go to the hardware store today and buy those clamps :D Only thing which has been puzzling me is if the force goes only to that small area which that clamp is pressing and not overall the shell, will it be weaker? Or is that a good thing that the glueing is only in small area? I have tried to get the shell to stick as large area as possible, but of course the bond might be stronger if it is attached strongly only from one place. Also I've been a bit worried if the glueing somehow attaches in a weird position (this is hard to explain in English...), like when you clamp it it somehow crushes the bra to stick to the shell like, uhm, wrinkly? :D

PearlieMae
04-05-2016, 09:06 AM
www.thistothat.com is a very helpful site on the best adhesives for different uses. For shells, use 'ceramic' in the drop-down menu.

( :mermaid kiss: Props to Jazz for the heads-up on the site!)

Mermaid Lilium
04-05-2016, 01:12 PM
I use e6000 plus clamps and have never had any issues, even with abalone shells. I had a nightmare with gorilla glue and have a giant bottle of it that I'm now never going to use lol

I've found fairly cheap listings for e6000 on amazon UK, and I kinda stockpile it when I'm over in the states lol

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HamptonsMermaid
04-05-2016, 09:25 PM
Personally I loooove hot glue! My tip for getting it to work for almost anything is hot glue + felt. Add a strip of felt in between any surfaces you are trying to glue (even teeny tiny shells) and it will give you a lot of grippy surface area to help the glue out. Holds great in water too (avoid hot water as this re melts the glue of course, though if you mess up and want to change something you can use hot water to detach).

I have E6000 but honestly I can't feel good about using something so incredibly toxic. Not just for my health but I'm sure it's also harming the environment and the water.

Merenneito Nerissa
04-06-2016, 03:57 AM
I have also used felt and hot glue combo a lot especially when making hair clips. It gives these wonderful strong structures when you use it inside shells as well as bases. :) I have also used it when glueing bigger scallop shells to bras, maybe that's why they have lasted so long.

SailorsGirl1207
04-06-2016, 10:20 AM
I'm making one of my friends a sash of fish net and I've sewn on shells and fake seaweed. The seaweed seems to stay on okay, but the shells keep falling off. Is there any way I could reinforce the shells so they don't fall off?

KaylinSilvermerr
05-22-2016, 06:09 PM
Question for you fine Merfolks!

I've been eyeballing different types of super glue of late, just to figure out where I can get ahold of things like the e6000 that people are talking about here.

As a Canadian, I was at Rona today, browsing through the glue section (I needed wood glue for a Worbla project). There are at least two brands now that market themselves as "Marine Glue". I know its meant for repair and sealing of boats and various other aquatic vessels, but I'm curious as to if anyone here has actually tried it out yet?

http://www.rona.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/RonaAjaxCatalogSearchView?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&resultCatEntryType=2&searchKey=RonaEN&content=&keywords=Marine+Adhasive

Those are the three that I ran across. The LePage lookalike its good for rigid items (so crowns might be a good choice), though I am unsure about the JB weld.

Mainly, I'm just curious about if anyone has tried the "marine" labelled glues and what their thoughts were.

Thanks!
~Kaylin

PearlieMae
05-22-2016, 07:17 PM
Personally, I'm curious about flexible marine epoxy.

Www.thistothat.com has been a pretty valuable resource (maybe a little limited, but a great jumping off place).

KaylinSilvermerr
05-22-2016, 08:01 PM
Hi PearlieMae!

I did happen to find that my local Walmart sells E6000 for relatively cheap, so I am happy about that. I'll be sure to browse through the link though and see what else comes up!

BTW, I -LOVE- your tails! I've also been scoping out the Pearl-Ex pigments and microfine glitter because of you. :P

~Kaylin

PearlieMae
05-22-2016, 08:25 PM
Thanks! But I can't take credit, Pearl Ex is pretty standard here! :)

In another note, coming soon to my Etsy shop:
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Kait
05-22-2016, 10:01 PM
Yay PearlieMae! As a DD this makes me very very happy! Shell tops are always too small :sad eyes:

Mermaid Jaffa
05-22-2016, 10:49 PM
Yay PearlieMae! As a DD this makes me very very happy! Shell tops are always too small :sad eyes:

I find its the opposite! Shell tops are always too big!

Mermaid Aria
05-22-2016, 11:01 PM
I find its the opposite! Shell tops are always too big!
I agree! I stuggle to find premade mer-tops to fit my 34A chest.

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PearlieMae
05-23-2016, 12:13 AM
I have smaller lion's paw shells and scallop shells (pretty shallow) for smaller busts, too. Haven't tried an ombre gradient on these yet, but will try that soon!

Vrindavana Starfish
05-23-2016, 01:02 PM
Having been both large-chested, and now small-chested, I feel all of your pain! Although, to be honest, overall it is WAY easier to find things to fit smaller boobies. Those shells are beautiful Pearlie!

PearlieMae
05-23-2016, 04:37 PM
Having been both large-chested, and now small-chested, I feel all of your pain! Although, to be honest, overall it is WAY easier to find things to fit smaller boobies. Those shells are beautiful Pearlie!

Thank you!

I hope to soon be able to get a cohesive breakdown of the various shells available online.

Mermaid Jaffa
05-24-2016, 03:41 AM
Thank you!

I hope to soon be able to get a cohesive breakdown of the various shells available online.

A dream top for me, is shells that fit exactly a 34C chest without too much cleavage overflow.

Because mine don't, move? Sag? Its like the rest of me have grown old but my teen boobs haven't!!!

Is one of the reasons why I wear one piece swimsuits... I got nothing to show!

Mermaid Tuwala
08-27-2016, 08:12 AM
Another possible glue option is water proof hot glue sticks. I'll have to find out the exact name/brand. But they work in a regular glue gun. I've never used this glue for accessories but we use it in the hatchery at my work for everything. (marine hatchery in Canada -so very cold sea water). The main thing we use it for is gluing mesh to plastic. It's never come off on its own before and we've been using it for years. Like it will be submerged in flowing sea water 24/7 for at least months at a time. If the mesh tears and needs replacing we have to scrape/tear the glue away and sometimes there is still some left.

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spyderskiss
10-05-2016, 09:02 PM
I go to Dollar Tree all the time but I have never seen these shells. What section do they keep them in at your store?

Winged Mermaid
10-05-2016, 09:41 PM
I go to Dollar Tree all the time but I have never seen these shells. What section do they keep them in at your store?

Dollar Tree and other Dollar Store store items come and go with supply availability, location, seasons, and whatnot. What one person may be able to find at their store may not be in another one. I just poke my head in every once in a while to see what they have.

Ashton
10-06-2016, 09:25 AM
sometimes they are in the floral section

HamptonsMermaid
10-07-2016, 08:39 PM
My Clamkinis are usually about 5" diameter. I usually recommend them for A-B but my girlfriend pictured here (in the pink & purple shells) is a size C and she was surprised at how well they fit her. I have made Clamkins with shells that are about an inch wider too. And I sold a version with sliding vertical shells to my size D friend for the mermaid parade (have to bug her for the pics).


$60 from Hamptonsmermaid.etsy.com

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HamptonsMermaid
10-07-2016, 09:04 PM
Another possible glue option is water proof hot glue sticks. I'll have to find out the exact name/brand. But they work in a regular glue gun.

Are these different from normal hot glue sticks? I use normal hot glue in my waterproof accessories. Even the Clamkinis (pictured above) don't come apart in chlorine, salt or fresh water and I have pairs that I've been wearing regularly for 3 years. I just don't wear them in hot tubs tho because of the hot glue haha.

BlueCorvidae
01-09-2018, 12:45 PM
So I'm having a terrible time of finding a tutorial on how to actually attach netting, plants, shells etc. to the top (besides just gluing, I'm sure there's more too it than that). Youtube is no help, showing a bunch of videos for halloween costumes and other things ill-suited for swimming in. I have a bra, e6000 glue, fifteen square feet of netting, two strands of pearls, two lion paw shells and some greenery and no idea where to start. Anyone know of any tutorials anywhere?

PearlieMae
01-09-2018, 02:14 PM
Try searching for costuming tutorials

BlueCorvidae
01-09-2018, 04:20 PM
Try searching for costuming tutorials

Not to be rude but I feel like that's a little more vague than what I've been searching already. :(

PearlieMae
01-09-2018, 04:38 PM
It's basic costuming. Sew the netting, glue the greenery.

Dogfish
01-10-2018, 10:42 AM
So I'm having a terrible time of finding a tutorial on how to actually attach netting, plants, shells etc. to the top (besides just gluing, I'm sure there's more too it than that). Youtube is no help, showing a bunch of videos for halloween costumes and other things ill-suited for swimming in. I have a bra, e6000 glue, fifteen square feet of netting, two strands of pearls, two lion paw shells and some greenery and no idea where to start. Anyone know of any tutorials anywhere?

This might sound daft but I just usually try stuff out and see what works. Perhaps do a practice or tester and see if it holds up using glue or other techniques you can think of. I'd reckon just glue would be fine :) then when you figure it out you can make tutorials to help other merfolk out ^^

BlueCorvidae
03-25-2018, 07:49 PM
This might sound daft but I just usually try stuff out and see what works. Perhaps do a practice or tester and see if it holds up using glue or other techniques you can think of. I'd reckon just glue would be fine :) then when you figure it out you can make tutorials to help other merfolk out ^^

Yep, I've been working on it slowly and just figuring it out for myself. Sewing the netting on made my bra tighter, and I wasn't anticipating that. It still fits, I just have to ask my fiance for help taking it off now. :$ Also, my boobies are huge, so it's taking a LOT of greenery to cover up the bra cup. The shells only cover half of it. >_>

I have a couple of seashells (real ones, sorry about that) that I was going to paint, but I recently saw that you can dye them like easter eggs. I'm going to go ahead and try that and see if it holds up to water. If not, I can always just paint them after.

secretsandswimming
03-25-2018, 08:24 PM
Does anyone have advice on how to make a swimmable net belt? I've never made one before, and all of the YouTube videos I've seen are too (I don't really know how to put it) harsh, ummm, sailor-y, basically not as girly as I would like mine. Any tips would be good!

BlueCorvidae
03-25-2018, 09:18 PM
Does anyone have advice on how to make a swimmable net belt? I've never made one before, and all of the YouTube videos I've seen are too (I don't really know how to put it) harsh, ummm, sailor-y, basically not as girly as I would like mine. Any tips would be good!

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for but the MagicCrafter has this one on her youtube channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlwhpg7-UhE&amp;

MermaidAuquita1998
03-30-2018, 05:43 PM
I have smaller lion's paw shells and scallop shells (pretty shallow) for smaller busts, too. Haven't tried an ombre gradient on these yet, but will try that soon!

I have bought my mermaid top on Amazon and my mermaid sister Alesha Amor made it into an amazing mermaid top she had to altered it a lot because the bust size is too big now it’s fits great


~~~Mermaid Auquita~~~

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Mermaid.Mikayla
11-27-2018, 01:04 PM
Okay, got it. Here´s my selfmade mermaid crown which I used to wear at my "Atlantis" themed photoshooting:

17605That's so beautiful!

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Satine
05-07-2019, 03:25 PM
I am loveing this thread so much information !!!!


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the.tattooed.mermaid78
05-07-2019, 05:25 PM
I just made molds of some pretty big shells, 1 large scallop baking shell, shallow and flat; and 1 good sized Lion's Paw. I cast them in white resin (lightweight and durable!) and I rotocast them so there is space inside for boobage! Ready to paint, and I can drill them before I send them out. I'll take a photo of them tonight, if you like...they are going to be available in my Etsy shop!Have you got a link to your Etsy ship please


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scout
08-25-2019, 10:07 PM
Is there any clays safe to use for underwater use or is it all about the sealer over it? I was thinking of using polymer clay and then sealing it

Mermaid Fenicia
08-26-2019, 03:29 AM
polymer clay, like Fimo, that you have to bake in an (normal) oven, will become a hard plastic and is waterproof then. I made my locket for Coco that way and already swam with it.
http://users.telenet.be/the-mermaid/fenicia/melody/coco02c.jpg

scout
08-26-2019, 02:57 PM
Thank you! Also that’s really pretty!