Just went looking for it and.... Wow this is scary!Quote:
Originally Posted by AniaR
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Just went looking for it and.... Wow this is scary!Quote:
Originally Posted by AniaR
https://instagram.com/p/BBhmDCXuSA8/
It's so sad to see others just copy from her. I understand that they are inspired by her, but inspiration should not be direct copying. (*Wink* And before you get on me about my mermaid fluke ATC I made from her tails, I made them for my own collection and then Raven gave me permission to trade or even sell them / copies if I wished.)
As a creative, I understand that it can be difficult to come up with ideas and there is a temptation to just 'steal' from others, but I feel that only reflects poorly on the creative person themselves. There are so many fish in the sea (if you pretend to ignore overfishing) as well as other sea life that there are a ton of tails that you can create! It takes a little bit of brain power and perhaps a hundred sketches, but that is part of the job. What would a mermaid tail look like if it was based on a sea pig? A gulper eel? A sea star? So many interesting and weird things you can come up with and each person's interpretation is going to be different! That is the beauty of it! A sea star tail may have little lumps on it, like small pearls, based on a pacific sea star or maybe they have webbing like a bat star. It just takes some brain power.
I was just thinking about your trading cards the other day. I still love those. I still wanna own a set haha. I know Raven loves those. I remember she told me she wanted to use them for examples of the fluke options at one point.
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See, this doesn't even anger me anymore-- it just breaks my heart more than anything. This person is clearly very creative, and does amazing work with prosthetics, props and costume design. What the hell is she doing wasting all of that just blatantly ripping off other peoples' designs? It's a waste of time and talent, and I wish more copycats would see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariel Starfish
I still have to figure out how to get copies of them that are true to their colors. My scanner is horrible and taking photos is difficult; even when touching them up in photoshop the colors are not always spot on. I did get a new camera recently and I will have to give that a shot to see if it works. If I does, I will be sure to let you all know. :)
General ugh
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I would offer to let you use my scanner if I were close enough :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Little_Orca
Oh look! Images from her sketch book! Is it just me or so they look familiar? :/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBhpYSjO...=evartfxstudio
Things like this is why I don't share my tail design sketches under the thread on this forum. I considered it, but then I thought that something like this would happen. I know, though, it wont stop anyone who is determined; they will sketch from live tails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mer-Crazy
she has me blocked haha so none of these links work for me
Let me see if I can screen shot them. I was about to block her because she's been mass liking a bunch of my mermaid stuff like my top and my tail sketchQuote:
Originally Posted by AniaR
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Is this girl for real? This is just so wrong.
Yeah shes been doing it for a while. And it sucks not only because shes stealing, but because its clear she has actual talent.
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This looks familiar too
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Raven has always set the standard with tails, tops, accessories, and performing TBH. People wonder why she's not involved in the community and this is why. Anytime she's tries to collaborate people have stabbed her in the back too. I admit it's why I get so defensive of her. I know so many terrible things but she doesn't want me to say them all she'd rather just focus on the future and keep innovating but boy it makes me mad!!!
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I think this picture makes me crazy the most. Since it's exactly like raven's design down to the color and size of hip find and all. It sucks about stealing designs and all but on the plus size it could be flattering that they liked it so much. That Doesn't make it right though :( poor Raven I'm glad she still keeps her head up high. She's great!
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Ug, I feel for her. (Raven that is)
That's really so sad...Quote:
Originally Posted by AniaR
Agreed...Every time I see things like this happen I lose a little bit more faith in humanity :sad eyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mermaid Leina
Or mermanity..... Sorry I saw it and had too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kait
Whale, whale, whale... I sea what you did there. Couldn't kelp it, huh? Dolphinately couldn't kelp yourself. We all just betta get used to the aquapuns. <3
seriously just turned my day from "fuck all of this shit" to you just made my day lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Little_Orca
Haha! I got more, I just need the right times to use them.
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Originally Posted by Little_Orca
Lol this is perfect!! Yes yes my mistake [emoji23]
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Think of any top designer in fashion and they all have rip offs! H&M is even a fully legal business that regularly copies runway designs to and sells them for way less. It's just part of the industry, so at this point she can just take it as a compliment. I'm sure some artists (not tail makers, but the ones making jewelry like pictured) just google "real mermaid" and they see all the best tail makers's photos and so they use those images when designing their work. I don't think everyone realizes that these tails are such unique works of art that are so closely linked to the original artist, and that certain fluke designs are "signature." I know I didn't really think about it much before I really started learning about mermaiding and Tailmaking.
What Raven should do is take a hint from this artist and start selling her own miniatures and jewelry. I'm sure for every customer who orders one of her tails, there are hundreds of customers who can't afford a tail but who would pay for something small that makes them think of their dream tail. People want to support her art but only so many people can buy tails. PearlieMae sells her key chain tails and Theobromine sells her mini sea creatures. Even in crowd funding, the majority of money pledged to successful campaigns is from small items under $20.
She does do that. Lol. * has a miniature*
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Yes, but she only makes them as gifts. I got one with my Ariel top. 💜Quote:
Originally Posted by AniaR
When I placed my order on my current tail, I asked for a tail necklace in the same design as my tail, but Raven told me it was only an *extra* as gift.
yeah same with the head dresses and jewelry usually. Raven just doesnt have time to do much else other than tails. If people want more items, it means longer waits for tails. However several times a year she does sell a bunch of premade items.
There simply isn't enough time in the day to make all the things!!! Especially with commissions waiting to be made. I feel for Raven, she's so talented and absolutely the paramount of tailmakers! Unfortunately, tails are technically seen as 'articles of clothing' (there's been this discussion elsewhere, before) and are subject to copyright laws pertaining to fashion. Not a lot you can do about people making other things based on your creations, either, like the tail necklaces that are obvious copies. If the tails were considered 'characters', you might have a better chance of stopping the rip-offs (i.e. Disney issues licenses for toy manufacturers to design and market their characters for production, in return for a share of the profits, and will come after you hard with an army of lawyers to stop you if you aren't properly licensed. You can't even legally perform as a Disney character without possibly incurring the wrath of the Disney legal department, so all you red-headed, green-tailed Ariels keep an eye out for Cease and Desist notices!).
It's really annoying when this happens to anyone, not just Raven. Especially when it's paraded in front of everyone like 'Look what I made!' when everyone knows it 'Look what I copied!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Winged Mermaid
It's definitely a sad but true fact tail makers (even artists in general) put up with. :(
Everything original gets copied if it has any worth.
I guess one helpful thing would be if the copycat jewelry artist would at least put Raven/Finfolk's name/link (and a not officially endorsed by disclaimer) with the items inspired by them. Then at least it's funneling some traffic to the original artist.
But in the end it seems that demand for Raven's art is so high, that little knick knack knock offs, and even knock off tails, have hardly any effect on business. It sounds like she's taking it very well, and has learned it's not worth it to stress about and go after these people. All the better for her! Who wants to constantly be entangled in copyright lawsuits?! That stuff suuuucks and it's a total creativity buzz kill for artists. Artists need to keep their heads in the clouds with the rainbows!
And lawyers/litigation are very expensive and time consuming.Quote:
Originally Posted by HamptonsMermaid
It's been my experience that most artists keep their heads in dark, scary places...hardly any rainbows at all, unless they are ironic. :rollover:
*swims to the shore* 'I hit the 500 days mark! ;)" *does a backflip and dissapears in the water* :shark:
WHAT HAPPENED? WHERE IS THE TAIL?!
Oh... sorry... I saw Ariel post and I got excited.
*Rubs the back of her neck sheepishly.*
I'm sure that doesn't happen to anyone else at all.
Haha. I know. I get the same and then it's like nup and its just aww :(
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Right?
WHAT DO WE WANT?!
TAILS!!!
WHEN DO WE WANT THEM?!
NOW! (But we can wait because we love Raven and respect her creative process and the time it takes to form the tails, we will just squawk like little hen-fish in the mean time.)