...ALEX? MARTY? IS THAT YOU?
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...ALEX? MARTY? IS THAT YOU?
On a happier note...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2tZMhoq0nI
And there's one giant pacific octopus they'll never get, as I wear it proudly on my arm:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6097/6...ee412ce758.jpg
In memory of Aurora .
Just heard that the local DNR is proposing a measure to prohibit taking any game at that site and a few others!
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Yeah... I'm gonna give up on this one. Going from 0 to freaked out, and why are you accusing me and twisting my words, to maybe I should just leave this site just doesn't make sense. If you want a viewpoint to have some kind of validity, avoid letting it get personal. If you did that at a meeting with a policy making group or even with a couple researchers they would take you up on your offer to give up on the subject and leave. I am not a fan of being told I'm accusing people and twisting their words, it's a board. Anyone can see what was and was not said. This topic was derailed as soon as it was taken personally and I don't want to be villainized.
-.- ok, seriously. I'm done.
I don't understand @_@ missing posts?
I think it would be nice if humans could stay out of the ocean entirely for a few years to let it bounce back >.> I recently got to preview a documentary coming out on Earth Day called "Revolution". In the documentary they cited a study done at one of my local universities well known for it's marine science department. Quoted from the book I am currently reading by the director/producer of the film Save the Humans [...]"a UN report based on a study from Dalhousie University in Halifax [that] predicted the collapse of every fishery on the planet by 2048 [if we continue business as usual]"... Essentially, without drastic drastic change we are heading for total collapse. One of the points the author/director made when we finished the screening of his documentary that produced some staggering statistics and information was that every fight is now important. Little things that we wouldn't normally think would make a difference, are infact creating huge domino effects. He urged us to fight for every form of conservation as much as we could. Realistically we can't stop/save it all, but we can save some and it's worth trying for especially with 2048 hanging over our head. There's another great part in his book where he explains if people were devastating the forests to the point we are the oceans, because everyone could actually see what was happening, we'd stop it right away. And I agree with that.
Coradion, I see your points, and I think they're valid. My Dad's a hunter and people in this community are constantly pressuring me to be a vegetarian and that's just not something I can do for health reasons, but I also don't think a person has to be a good person by being a vegetarian either. My dad taught me to respect nature and what it gives us, to not be wasteful, and to take only what you need. I think the very reason I am an activist at all has a lot to do with him. So yeah, if the guy was legally hunting an octopus in a legal area, on paper, I'm cool with that. However, personally, after being so awakened to the status of our oceans, I'm starting to lean more toward we need to get out of the way all together. An octopus is a top predator in it's food chain, a clear marker of biodiversity, and a good indicator of ocean acidification levels as well. So on paper, I see your point, the guy didn't do anything wrong. In reality though, I think hunting for sport of any creature just needs to be done away with. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Now, even if he hunted it to eat it, I'm fairly certain there's lots of other things he could eat with a hell of a lot less effort and impact...
edit: it's also a waste I think if she was killed before her eggs hatched, because then it's not just killing the one octopus, you're preventing the others from being born too. Even though she'd die after anyway
Any scientist who has done actual research will tell you a film where a director/producer is doing the talking is usually one we avoid. Like even videos our University has produced that we've watched in classes we found a lot of problems with. A lot of fisheries are really well regulated like the Hawai'i pelagic/deep sea fleet. Most fisheries won't collapse, if you check out Hawai'i Seafood they all say pretty much the same thing. Capture fisheries over the last decade have remained at something like 95 million tons a year while aquaculture has been skyrocketing to match those values. Until there's an actual study done we can't assume anything about the state of GPOs. Even if you have a lot of observation based evidence until it's published it's hard to convince anyone something is happening. Even with hard evidence it can be next to impossible to sway legislators. It sucks, but that's the nature of the game :( if you hunt or fish responsibly at what is believed to be the L50 marks and follow the rules and regulations a lot of the time the work has already been done in determining just how much is an acceptable amount to take and at what sizes. The issue is rarely subsistence fisheries, individuals and communities don't usually have much of an impact that natural balances can't correct, trouble happens when commercial industries come in.
You have nothing to support that, you should actually look up the study from Dalhousie I mentioned. I think the biggest lie we tell ourselves is that nature can correct the mess we've made. :/ I just linked a Ted Talk on this actually in another thread.Quote:
Most fisheries won't collapse, if you check out Hawai'i Seafood they all say pretty much the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-sfUHJaXI
I see your points about the octopus, but years of studying these topics and actual experience have me disagreeing with you on that latest post. Keep in mind the study I linked was not done for the sake of a documentary or book, they simply referenced it.
I have worked for Hawai'i Seafood, NOAA, and JIMAR, I have plenty to support my statement. If I posted a graph though showing things like L50 Repro rates, MSY, CPU Effort or Efficiency, or some kind of pertinent life history data I don't think anyone here would be able to interpret the information, not that I doubt anyone's intelligence, you just have to be trained to do it. Same way I can't curl hair or do anything with mechanics. I worked in Alan Friedlander's fisheries Lab. If you have experience in the fisheries field you'll know the name without needing to search it since he's one of the top experts in the world. Clearly though, you have much more experience in the marine science field than I do. It's not like I've helped produce the primary literature that you and many others around the world are so happy to cite and reference.