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    Its sad what we've done to the planet. I'm sure many (if not all) alien species (if they actually exist, although I believe they do) ran into the same problem. It may be the impossible ''Wall'' of the Fermi paradox that nothing can get past. Species may just corrupt their planet beyond repair before they have the science to understand the issue and stomp the brakes, and then don't leave the planet fast enough or unsuccessfully colonize other planets. It may already be too late.



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    I prefer to think most alien species don't match humans in stupidity.
    I mean, come on.
    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that resources are limited, yet the populace all over the planet (with very few exceptions) is rapidly growing.
    While this problem has been known for decades, no government in the world has actually tackled it (China tried for a while, but the results are still lacking somewhat), on the contrary, many countries even openly SUPPORT rampant procreation.

    If you look back into human prehistory, it is pretty much a proven fact that the entire pleistocene megafauna (from cave lions/bears to mammoths and everything else larger than a rabbit) was wiped out by humans through completely idiotic "hunting" methods (i.e. killing an entire herd each time).

    While there were here and there some tribes about who knew how to exist in a subsistent way, they were always a minority (and usually deplaced or killed by the...unwise human species).
    Majority of humans can only be likened to parasites multiplying on a host til it collapses and dies.
    This is a thing, ticks and other parasites (also viruses) behave this way, but there is a difference:
    those parasites can actually find a new host after they kill their current one.
    Humans will die WITH their host , but they are still too dumb to change their behaviour.

    I have kind of given up on it tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Broussard View Post
    yes, I've watched it. Once when the video came out, and then again when you posted it. Infact my first sentence is a direct quote from the video. as far as reading what you posted...not much to respond to. So I responded with my own debate.
    Ah, I misunderstood your intentions with your last post. When you said "It's not a problem so why mention it?" I thought that you were responding to me since you quoted me and all. Now I get that you were just adding to my response rather than trying to rebut me with my own point. My mistake!

    Quote Originally Posted by Echidna View Post
    I prefer to think most alien species don't match humans in stupidity.
    I mean, come on.
    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that resources are limited, yet the populace all over the planet (with very few exceptions) is rapidly growing.
    While this problem has been known for decades, no government in the world has actually tackled it (China tried for a while, but the results are still lacking somewhat), on the contrary, many countries even openly SUPPORT rampant procreation.

    If you look back into human prehistory, it is pretty much a proven fact that the entire pleistocene megafauna (from cave lions/bears to mammoths and everything else larger than a rabbit) was wiped out by humans through completely idiotic "hunting" methods (i.e. killing an entire herd each time).

    While there were here and there some tribes about who knew how to exist in a subsistent way, they were always a minority (and usually deplaced or killed by the...unwise human species).
    Majority of humans can only be likened to parasites multiplying on a host til it collapses and dies.
    This is a thing, ticks and other parasites (also viruses) behave this way, but there is a difference:
    those parasites can actually find a new host after they kill their current one.
    Humans will die WITH their host , but they are still too dumb to change their behaviour.

    I have kind of given up on it tbh.
    I understand where you're coming from, but I feel I should point out that we are not killing the planet. We are killing ourselves. We have yet to do anything to the ocean or the land where life cannot regrow from it, though it may be uninhabitable to us and the creatures that we're used to living with. Yes, we're going to kill off a lot of different species if we keep going the way we are, but life always finds a way. When we are dying of cancer from the smog and the radiation, new life that is immune to our poison is going to evolve and thrive. It's already happening, in the areas aroundChernobyl that are too radioactive for us, wildlife flourishes.

    Environmentalism isn't truly about saving the planet, it is strong enough to withstand our bullshit and it's not within our power to destroy. It's about saving ourselves and life as we've come to understand it. Most of us just haven't realized it yet.
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    We've actually killed spots in the ocean. They're called dead spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echidna View Post
    I prefer to think most alien species don't match humans in stupidity.
    I mean, come on.
    The Fermi Paradox is summarized by one question; Where is everyone? The universe is massive, with billions of planets in the habitable zone. Many have existed for billions or millions of years longer. So, where are the aliens? Either they are visiting, and the general populace doesn't get to know, we are under protection until we are advanced enough, or there is a Great Wall in evolution that nothing, or very little, gets past.

    It may be planetary destruction.

    What makes you think a sentient species on a different planet would develop a sense of nature faster then us? There is no reason to think they would be smarter then us just because we seem ''stupid''. They would likely have their own religions and inaccurate ideas about their world, i.e. flat earth, just like us. Nothing can instantly become nature conscious. Animals don't understand the world, and if they start t rise, they would likely make similar mistakes.

    Anyways, I agree. We're dead ass meat.



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    The Drake Equation

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    Quote Originally Posted by AniaR View Post
    The Drake Equation
    Very familiar with this theory, its quite interesting. However, it is a SWAG theory, and is not entirely reliable.

    And, of course, I am not saying there isn't a interstellar species out there. I'm just saying planetary destruction may be a wall a species must jump over, and it may be incredibly hard.



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    Watching blue planet 2 last night... I cried.

    In the episode Deep Seas. They show coral that has lived and grown for 4,000 years. each year growing less than a hairs width. Beautiful structures housing more life than our shallow reefs.

    Then they show the effects of deeps sea trawlers. Which drag across the sea floor absolutely destroying coral that has stood longer than the pyramids.

    If you eat fish you are contributing to this destruction. It's that simple... you can't love the ocean and kill it at the same time. That is an abusive relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Broussard View Post
    Watching blue planet 2 last night... I cried.

    In the episode Deep Seas. They show coral that has lived and grown for 4,000 years. each year growing less than a hairs width. Beautiful structures housing more life than our shallow reefs.

    Then they show the effects of deeps sea trawlers. Which drag across the sea floor absolutely destroying coral that has stood longer than the pyramids.

    If you eat fish you are contributing to this destruction. It's that simple... you can't love the ocean and kill it at the same time. That is an abusive relationship.
    Blue Planet 2 does a great job captivating its viewers before showing them the affect of what we've done. And yes, trawling and fishing in general is extremely damaging. The likelihood of it stopping within our lifetime is null.



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    Yup. I don't eat anything from the ocean.

    My late friend Rob Stewart did a film called "Revolution". In it he pointed out that if we were devastating on land the way we do underwater, there'd be an uproar. But people are so disconnected and don't see what's happening.

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    Honestly the thing that irks me the most about most militant animal rights activist is how they all choose to ignore that a lot of culture and people eat certain meats (fish, whales, etc) as the only source of food and continuation of culture (such as seal hunts) and demonize the people who hunt for their own food as doing nothing but killing the planet. And also that most don't seem to understand that there is privilege in having the ability to go vegan or vegetarian and there is privilege in having the ability to willingly cut out certain foods from their diets.

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    We've actually killed spots in the ocean. They're called dead spots

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    Bacteria and algae typically flourish in them. They might not be animals or plants, but they're still life.

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    The Fermi Paradox is summarized by one question; Where is everyone? The universe is massive, with billions of planets in the habitable zone. Many have existed for billions or millions of years longer. So, where are the aliens? Either they are visiting, and the general populace doesn't get to know, we are under protection until we are advanced enough, or there is a Great Wall in evolution that nothing, or very little, gets past.

    It may be planetary destruction.

    What makes you think a sentient species on a different planet would develop a sense of nature faster then us? There is no reason to think they would be smarter then us just because we seem ''stupid''. They would likely have their own religions and inaccurate ideas about their world, i.e. flat earth, just like us. Nothing can instantly become nature conscious. Animals don't understand the world, and if they start t rise, they would likely make similar mistakes.

    Anyways, I agree. We're dead ass meat.

    The real reason is because of the vastness of the universe. Everything is too far away for us to properly observe, and it's impossible to observe it in real time. You have to remember that whenever you're looking into the sky, you're looking into the past, not as it is now. There could be life within a thousand lightyears from us, but it would take us hundreds of years before we could see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCorvidae View Post
    The real reason is because of the vastness of the universe. Everything is too far away for us to properly observe, and it's impossible to observe it in real time. You have to remember that whenever you're looking into the sky, you're looking into the past, not as it is now. There could be life within a thousand lightyears from us, but it would take us hundreds of years before we could see it.
    I am well versed in this kind of thing, no need to explain the speed of light and sound. I didn't say there aren't other sentient species roaming out there, but its likely that environmental destruction has claimed the lives of at least few alien races.



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    Oh, I don't doubt it. Extinction would exist wherever there is life. In some cases, it could be their own fault, like what will inevitably happen to us. In other cases, it could just be plain misfortune like what happened to the dinosaurs. Can you imagine a civilization being lost to a black hole? Or their star going red giant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCorvidae View Post
    Oh, I don't doubt it. Extinction would exist wherever there is life. In some cases, it could be their own fault, like what will inevitably happen to us. In other cases, it could just be plain misfortune like what happened to the dinosaurs. Can you imagine a civilization being lost to a black hole? Or their star going red giant?
    Well, if their star died and became a black hole, the cold would kill them, since the mass (and thus gravity) of the star-turned-black hole wouldn't change, and they'd stay in place.
    But, I have NO DOUBT species die from other things as well. There are so many variables! I love ET theory, so I often read about this stuff.



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