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    Quote Originally Posted by Mermaid Lunette View Post
    (you should know that the forum considers it spamming to post several different threads with the same info in it. i donkt mean to be insinsitive to your plight but when you post a thread with the exact same post several times it clutters the forum greatly and is a very large hassle on the admins and other mers. )
    That.... IS good to know. Thanks. The interwebs at my home are messed up, so i didn't know until i looked today at the responses/suggestions on what to do that it was here three times. I hope it isn't in MORE places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AniaR View Post
    Sorry to hear about your experience.

    I know it is a moot point now but no one should book any kind of interview or event until they have their tail, because regardless of the maker... They get delayed. Even when shipped on time the mail or customs can keep them.

    The lack of drainage damaging fluke is also pretty standard. Too many mers don't drain through their waist and just lift their flukes around filled with water putting pressure on them. It'll split any fluke. It is important to note that's pretty standard with tails too . it isn't until recently that tail makers started adding reliable drainage


    Most tail makers also have no idea how to glue down a monofin
    This is also standard because the monofin inhibits the cure. I think only two commercial tail makers have figured it out and it is kept secret. E6000 is not the cure all people seem to think it is either.... Especially for heavy duty like that.

    The thing is you full knowingly bought from a child. She's 14 turning 15 now but she would of just turned 13 at that point. You can't expect the same level and it would of been one of her first tails. All factors in why you pay less for it.

    Your issues are standard for less expensive tails. Even mertailor tails do it. So it sounds like a combination of taking a chance on a child tail maker, perhaps not having accurate expectations, common drainage issues, and perhaps not knowing the proper methods of preventing fluke damage when you don't have drainage.

    I don't think it would be too hard for someone to add some drainage and patch it up... But photos would certainly help people determine.

    I think people reallllly need to keep certain things in perspective when buying from brand new tail makers. You can also at least feel good about the fact that part of the money she makes through tails goes to charity.
    I looked into delay times when i booked my interviews so they were 6 months out from when i paid in full. You are correct on the risk on a new tail-maker and i like to think the funds went to the cause. I guess I'm mostly wondering what to do, with everything happening, before I have to leave for basic. In Oregon, what really sucks about the whole thing is that I got it at the FAR end of the warm season, just as the chills were creeping back into every air particle and it needed severe help and was in pieces long befor this summer/warm season when i am missing swimming and meet-ups again. I can agree on the E-6000 though. I've also tried D-77(it's an industrial super glue that acts by melting two layers to eah other, but aparently doesn't work on silicons and plastics and Silpoxy after Mermaid Jessica said it may work. I'm lost.

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    I wasn't expecting the best quality, but I'd seen jazz's tails and hadn't expected it to fall apart in two uses. I'd also have to check with my parents on price, but it wasn't too much under what is a cheap silicon tail.

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    Nyssa I'm so sorry to hear about your terrible experience. I can relate to the frustration/anger/sadness. You know that feeling when you want to smash a wall in? Lol.... *Cries*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mermaid Harmony View Post
    I still feel so terrible about this. She was doing great, and then left you with this. :-(
    And now is continuing to do great and produce tails that are(to my knowledge) not practically in pieces use two. Harmony, you know how i planned to pamper and baby my tail....

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    Cordelia, I can agree with the fabric tail. It was what i started with as a kid(after my dad's jeans with a set of flippers and mini-skirt) and when i built a business the first time, but at this point even 200, because of the Silpoxy, and the E6000(s) and the 77spray for business round #2 I am spent and don't have that much, reliably. (when i do it goes towards rent for the room at my parents home...)

    AinaR could have a point with the harrasment, but mum informs me they didn't start chiming in until 6 months after paying(after the first interview botch.) and into months 7 and 8.

    I was trying to give Jesse the benefit of the doubt. He ran his company several years and people were known to be(often enough) happy with their resulting product. It seems to me he was dealt some stink-sure solid blows and flundered while figuring out what to do to juggle them and their implications/affects on his life. We've all been there, with sisters pulling drama(in portland i believe) to loved ones dying or betraying. I myself was going through similar blows at that point in time until about a month ago, so i sympethized. Didn't know how bad it actually was until people got anry at me.

    Jazz doesn't=bad, because of this. It's the facts that i did let her know when holes first started appearing and she responed-ish a few times and then after that was completely un-responsive. I tried to ask questions over email, facebook message and post AND calls and texts, so it hurts to find she is communicating and producing just fine without things falling apart and without fixing the problems that my family most certainly did not pay for.

    As much hope that i have that Jesse hasn't obsconded permenantly with everyone's fortunes I have to agree with Arion on what Pearlie said.

    To Momo, firstly i love your user. Secondly, I sometimes look back on my neoprene days. Charish them, they come with far less problems when something goes wrong and before then. Third, I'd never man-handle or stand in a silicon tail(unlike weeki-wachi with Jazz's rentals, which i did get to use and were sturdy tails)I know and believed she's capable of quality and it hurts that not only did we pay for it and not get it, but she also won't communicate to fix it.(and boy have i tried)

    malinghi, thank you. my system was glitchy and i kept having to post because everything was on the fritz. I apologize for the plethora of copies.

    Anna Abyss, "Don't give up."? I'm not very convincing, even to myself, but maybe it will help you to see it written?

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    The reference pictures i sent to the experienced Mers with silicons and tail-making will be up when my non-computer brain is on enough to figure out getting them into a different file format so they'll upload.

    And just in case she IS still around Mernetwork: JAZZ, I love ya', but i couldn't keep not getting responses. Something has to happen, because i can't look at the husk of my dreams every day when i wake up knowing i can't afford to fix or replace it.

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    Maybe someone else experienced will be able to repair it for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
    Maybe someone else experienced will be able to repair it for you?



    It depends on what kind of repairs you need to do: If it's just fixing something broken or patch up/replace little things you can but not cured silicone is a pain!





    It depends on what you need to fix that's all maybe from the pictures someone can help and give little advice to handle this thing.



    I'm so sorry to hear what happened both as a tailmaker and as a mermaid and member of this community also because I followed Jazz in her journey and I feel affectionate to her (more I thought she was doing good with tails after seeing that last year for the Weeky's calendar they used one of her tails).
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    I'm really sorry that this happened to your tail. I'm still learning and making mistakes and I probably wasn't ready to sell tails right away, but that's why they were priced so low. I'm glad to say that recently after these posts, we did communicate and I gave you a $400 refund. I hope you are doing well with that money to hopefully have a sustainable and beautiful tail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssaf1sh56 View Post

    To Momo, firstly i love your user. Secondly, I sometimes look back on my neoprene days. Charish them, they come with far less problems when something goes wrong and before then. Third, I'd never man-handle or stand in a silicon tail(unlike weeki-wachi with Jazz's rentals, which i did get to use and were sturdy tails)I know and believed she's capable of quality and it hurts that not only did we pay for it and not get it, but she also won't communicate to fix it.(and boy have i tried)
    thanks! by man handling, I didn't mean standing up in it, but lots of swimming and water log in a tail that without drainage holes, will put pressure on the sealed edges and stuff hope that clears it up a bit, I know that if someone would spend so much on a tail of their dreams, that they would never intentionally man handle a tail

    Have you fixed your images yet because I would love to still see them too. If you haven't converted them, you can send them to me if you'd like and I'll convert and post them for you.

    Also nice to know you two finally worked it out! are you planning on getting another tail? or will you try to repair this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazz2453 View Post
    I'm really sorry that this happened to your tail. I'm still learning and making mistakes and I probably wasn't ready to sell tails right away, but that's why they were priced so low. I'm glad to say that recently after these posts, we did communicate and I gave you a $400 refund. I hope you are doing well with that money to hopefully have a sustainable and beautiful tail!
    well done Jazz good luck. It was great seeing you on TV with your tail

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazz2453 View Post
    I'm really sorry that this happened to your tail. I'm still learning and making mistakes and I probably wasn't ready to sell tails right away, but that's why they were priced so low. I'm glad to say that recently after these posts, we did communicate and I gave you a $400 refund. I hope you are doing well with that money to hopefully have a sustainable and beautiful tail!
    Jazz, I'm not sure if you're on here much anymore, but I thought you should know two things: Things did not get better. The $400 went towards paying my parents back for the tail, my best friend of almost 5 years turned out to have "actually hated you and pretended the whole time" on me, I went to the AirForce and was accused of lying to them about a med i didn't know could also be classified as an anxiety med, put in a holding dormatory until my body attrophied on my "dead-man's waiver" (don't do anything but sleep or eat or sit), sent home looking like a liar, on paper, in the federal database(s) for jobs like the forest service, or teaching and finally, My best friend from Pre-school and my Best friend of almost 9 years have completely iced me out. In sum-up: I've lost my four greatest friends, been federally marked as a fraudulent person(like my ex best friend) and been so swamped in medical bills from recovering from attrophy that I haven't been able to work towards anything, when I can physically work, but paying debt(which is still compiling) and being healthy.


    HOWEVER: In all that, I learned that the Mer Community was one I could depend on. I learned more about making tails, recycling materials, avant gaurde/mixed media outlooks, guiding guppies, essentials of company reform, recuperating persona, sewing silicon and gumption. The first thing I did when I got home and was healthy enough to start work was spend my entire savings on a new tail. I'm happy to report that I DID figure out how to fix the tail to be usable, unfortunately after I left for the AF and gave it to one of my Guppies so i fixed it for her, but it did get fixed. I screwed holes into the monofin and bought a yarn needle set and some ("GIMP" string-stuff...) and simply sewed the thing. Water flows openly through the fluke and out the whip-stitch at the bottom, the Dorsal had to be cut the rest of the way out and whip-stitched shut at the butt, but it's almost invisible, especially in the water AND I made my first REALLY happy guppy as SIF.


    Without you, I wouldn't have been on the journey I have(mer-wise) and I never would have found the Mersona that is SIF. It's odd, but I can't really thank you enough. Keep up your work for the LGBTQ community and try not to lose your Mersona along the way. Being popular can be tough.
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