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Thread: New Guillermo del Toro movie: The Shape of Water

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    I started another thread for the film Del-Toro claims was the inspiration It's called The World Between Us

    I can't wait to see this but isn't out where I live yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mermaid Momo View Post
    The r-rating comes from the sex scene, where the fish man and the woman who rescued him are finally together without any glass between them so it is a rather large plot advancement piece.
    Agreed, lots of movies have totally gratuitous sex and nudity but it can be done in a way that's important to the plot or themes. Just as well, it's really not as intense as reviews have made it out to be.

    Anyway, I liked the movie. I just wish the romance was a bit more developed. Like, we see why Eliza falls in love with the Asset, but we don't see much of why he falls in love with her, ya know? The effects and acting were good, of course. Strickland was terrifying! I know a lot of people thought he was too much of a caricature of evil but I thought it worked out, especially for the time period it's set in. The underwater scenes were so beautiful, obviously I have a bias towards that, ha ha.

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    Thought some folks might like this article on how the special effects work was done

    https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...g-effects.html

    On thing about Guillermo del Toro, he always goes first class in the production of his films, he's become important enough that the studio suits let him produce films his way, instead of trying to force cheap shortcuts on him. It was the same with Pacific Rim, which he also produced in Toronto.

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    [QUOTE=Mermaid Delphinidae;291463]Agreed, lots of movies have totally gratuitous sex and nudity but it can be done in a way that's important to the plot or themes. Just as well, it's really not as intense as reviews have made it out to be.

    Just to clarify, that is just my opinion, and I'm not trying to force it on anyone. Agree to disagree?
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    I just saw Shape of Water and oh man it was so good. I loved it! The acting was amazing from all involved, the Fishman looked -gorgeous-, and the filmography was stunning.

    I also really liked seeing a main cast that was a lot more diverse than I'm used to.

    Yes, there was a lot of nudity, gore, and general violence. But I think I'm going to go see it again!

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    I loved loved loved loved ALL of it so much but I had to close my eyes at every broken finger scene hahha

    If anyone is interested, this short film inspired the look/story quite a bit according to del-toro


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    Quote Originally Posted by AniaR View Post
    I loved loved loved loved ALL of it so much but I had to close my eyes at every broken finger scene hahha

    If anyone is interested, this short film inspired the look/story quite a bit according to del-toro
    The Space Between Us is lovely! Do you have any links where Del Toro cites it as inspiration though? I know it came out 2015 but TSOW began taking form around 2011 and is greatly influence by Del Toro's love for The Creature of The Black Lagoon (an infatuation that began when Del Tor was 6 who the asset clearly pays homage to). I ask because I can't find Del Toro talking about The Space Between Us, but I've seen other critics (youtube commenters, tumblr, other smaller sites) calling TSOW a rip off of it which I think it unwarranted. I figured it's more coincidental and what happens when two people develop narratives from a similar source of concept (because it's an amazing concept that I need more stories about). They're both beautiful films in their own right.
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    Hi @TheMerthropologist,

    The Space Between Us was made in 2015 by students at the Netherlands Film Academy as a graduation project.

    Guillermo del Toro has tweeted that he came up with the concept for The Shape of Water in 2011, and a person who discussed it with him has confirmed that fact:

    https://twitter.com/realgdt/status/900160721769684993

    He also asked Sally Hawkins to star in the movie in January of 2014.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/gui...201899009/amp/

    There's no way del Toro plagiarized the NFA students' project, and I think it's very unlikely they plagiarized his.

    I see 2 possibilities:


    1. Great minds think alike (especially since Creature from the Black Lagoon is one of the great classics, studies by film students all over the world).
    2. The movie industry is a surprisingly small world, and leaks and rumours and ideas float around and get repeated, like the telephone game, and can end up triggering a spark in the mind of someone that turns into a project that they see all as their own.


    At any rate, The Shape of Water was not plagiarized from The Space Between Us, so I would say just enjoy the ride with both the film and the short.

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    Thanks @AptaMer

    I knew that much and I figured it was coincidental. I'm just kinda confused by what Raina said and what doc she saw where Guillermo mentions The Space Between Us.
    I know I shouldn't worry too much but it's a bit disappointing to see other people bash on the film for plagiarism despite the evidence to the contrary.
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