B!TC# IT OUT!

[-Annwyn-]

I work in a call centre and take calls all day, every shift from vicious and angry people (with a fucking smile plastered on my face.). Yesterday I got the first call of the room this year from someone who blames me for ruining their childrens Christmas because they got a fine.

[Morticia Mermaid]

Ok, it was suggested to me that I should post the video to help provide more proof. So... Here it is.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...nch_main_video

I REALLY hate being the person naming names. Really makes me feel bad, but can't be helped here as its said in the video.

[Adalira]

I am so upset I could just scream! Why do people try to scam me out of my artwork!?!

I received an email last night from a previous client that commissioned me a YEAR ago claiming that she never received her commission that she paid for.... Here's the thing...I HAND DELIVERED IT TO HER!!! I know she has it. I personally handed it to her at a show in front of witnesses a YEAR ago!

ARGHHH!!!

Omg! Seriously??? The nerve some people have! How did that end? Did you tell her you gave it to her personally?

[Adalira]

Ok, it was suggested to me that I should post the video to help provide more proof. So... Here it is.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...nch_main_video

I REALLY hate being the person naming names. Really makes me feel bad, but can't be helped here as its said in the video.

It may vary per country what it "art theft" and what not.
For instance, we know a man who is a performance artist and who always steals the acts of others.
The orginal artists can't do anything about it though.
The moment he changes the music, wears a different costume and just changes it around a little it is not theft anymore (or so he told us) and there is nothing the original artist can do about it.
Off course i don't know if the same goes for the art theft of the handmade art.
I know how much this much suck for you.
The nerve that some people have never seems to end!
I have given up on selling on art markets and such since there are always people wanting to steal your ideas.....and some of them even simply talk about taking my idea and saying it right in front of me, they will take out a camera, make photos or simply discuss with the person with them how to re-make it. Or they simply ask me what materials i use exactly and how i make it.
It is absolutly rediculous and very upsetting. So in order for me to prevent this kind of stress and hurt i simply do not attent art markets anymore.

In your case, i am not sure what you can do about it.
In the end she can claim whatever she wants to get out anything.
And the option of taking her to court is not worth it in the end....all the stress, negative energy, costs of going to court.....
Do not feel bad for name calling....you were asked for the information and you provided it. You have done nothing wrong here.

[Adalira]

So last Thursday i reached the point where i have been sick for 4 weeks already.
My friends and family told me to see a doctor since 4 weeks is way too long.
I decided to wait 1 more day to see what happened.
After another night of barely any sleep i was at a breaking point and decided to call the doctor.
I spoke to the assistant, told her that i had had a cold for over 4 weeks, barely slept, felt like crap and i did not know what to do anymore (i was desperate).
Her reply was:" Did you try nasal spray yet?"
Ok....i know she was trying to help, but i was sorta kinda hoping for her to say:' Ok, i will make an appointment for you and we will see what is going on."
Anyway my reply was:" No i have not, there are so many types of nasal spray, i would not even know which one to buy" i did not tell her that i am not a fan of nasal spray to begin with.
Then she replied:" Ok, well you need to buy a nasal spray with this in it.... (out came a very difficult name that she had to spell for me lol) and you need to use that for a week. If you're not better by then you can call us back and we will make an appointment."
Seriously??? I have been sick for over 4 weeks and call you in desperation and you tell me to try out something for another week and see what happens????
Anyway...being the good little girl i am lol i went out and bought the damn nasal spray and am using it since Friday.
Sure it helps and opens up the stuffed nose....but every 5 to 6 hours i need to use it again because my nose gets stuffed again....
You can only use the spray for a week and i fear that on Friday my nose will be just as stuffed again.....i will feel like crap again and it all starts from the beginning yet again!
I will most likely call the doctor on Friday who will then most likely schedule me in for the next week....meaning another couple of days of feeling like crap.
GRRRRRRRR

[Rivertee]

I think there should be a button somewhere in every house than when you press it you get a free delivery of bubble wrap to pop pop pop to make your days better.

[PearlieMae]

So last Thursday i reached the point where i have been sick for 4 weeks already.
My friends and family told me to see a doctor since 4 weeks is way too long.
I decided to wait 1 more day to see what happened.
After another night of barely any sleep i was at a breaking point and decided to call the doctor.
I spoke to the assistant, told her that i had had a cold for over 4 weeks, barely slept, felt like crap and i did not know what to do anymore (i was desperate).
Her reply was:" Did you try nasal spray yet?"
Ok....i know she was trying to help, but i was sorta kinda hoping for her to say:' Ok, i will make an appointment for you and we will see what is going on."
Anyway my reply was:" No i have not, there are so many types of nasal spray, i would not even know which one to buy" i did not tell her that i am not a fan of nasal spray to begin with.
Then she replied:" Ok, well you need to buy a nasal spray with this in it.... (out came a very difficult name that she had to spell for me lol) and you need to use that for a week. If you're not better by then you can call us back and we will make an appointment."
Seriously??? I have been sick for over 4 weeks and call you in desperation and you tell me to try out something for another week and see what happens????
Anyway...being the good little girl i am lol i went out and bought the damn nasal spray and am using it since Friday.
Sure it helps and opens up the stuffed nose....but every 5 to 6 hours i need to use it again because my nose gets stuffed again....
You can only use the spray for a week and i fear that on Friday my nose will be just as stuffed again.....i will feel like crap again and it all starts from the beginning yet again!
I will most likely call the doctor on Friday who will then most likely schedule me in for the next week....meaning another couple of days of feeling like crap.
GRRRRRRRR

Get to an emergency room or clinic! A cold does not last 4 weeks, you have a more serious issue!

Fell better soon!

[Rivertee]

I work in a call centre and take calls all day, every shift from vicious and angry people (with a fucking smile plastered on my face.). Yesterday I got the first call of the room this year from someone who blames me for ruining their childrens Christmas because they got a fine.

I know all too well what you mean. I work in retail and people like to tell you their whole life story just to get a discount. Honestly take the time to save money and be responsible and you won't have as many issues.

[Adalira]

Get to an emergency room or clinic! A cold does not last 4 weeks, you have a more serious issue!

Fell better soon!

They will laugh at me when i come in with a cold.
You have no idea how ridiculous the Dutch health system is.
We have emergency doctors you can call when your own doctors office is closed for the day.
You first have to call in and if you do not have an emergency that is needed to be treated that same day you will not be helped.
One of the first things doctors ask is:" Do you have a fever" if the answer is "no" that means nothing serious in their eyes.
My moth in law said i am most likely sick from the mold on our house.
It is a very very old house and i can not win the fight against mold. I clean it where i can whenever i can but i pops up everywhere.
My husband has no problems with it though.

[Adalira]

I work in a call centre and take calls all day, every shift from vicious and angry people (with a fucking smile plastered on my face.). Yesterday I got the first call of the room this year from someone who blames me for ruining their childrens Christmas because they got a fine.

Wow...that is a low thing to say of them!
Just shows how much they want to get their way and that they will use every means possible to get it :-(

[Rivertee]

Ive been in that situation before, im sorry The only thing I could keep telling myself was a relationship is a two was street. and if they arent willing to upkeep their half, its just not worth it. It still hurts, but is better in the long run then associating with someone who continuously screws you over.

Thanks, the way I look at it it's her loss not mine

[Echidna]

My moth in law said i am most likely sick from the mold on our house.
It is a very very old house and i can not win the fight against mold. I clean it where i can whenever i can but i pops up everywhere.
My husband has no problems with it though.

do not underestimate mold!
even if your relatives don't show obvious symptoms, mold can kill your health, especially if it's sitting in the wall, behind tapestries, under carpets and so on.

It can begin with a stuffed nose, then move on to affect your lungs, brain (headaches!) and general well-being.
I know it's hard if the house is built in a way that generates mold, it's the same in my parents house.

My mother has an ever worsening cough which started out with a stuffed nose.
If you're not sure how high the spore contamination is, you can test it out with a mold kit.

Don't get me started about doctors.
Even if they see you, more often than not, they don't help you at all.
I had a slight fever and a cold that lasted 6 weeks a year ago.
When I went to see the doctor, she looked a bit at me, told me I had a fever (orly), and that it couldn't be helped because my immune system was probably crap.
Then she sent me home.

I used home remedies and stuff, battled the mold in the house for a few weeks, and finally got rid of it.

[Morticia Mermaid]

It may vary per country what it "art theft" and what not.
For instance, we know a man who is a performance artist and who always steals the acts of others.
The orginal artists can't do anything about it though.
The moment he changes the music, wears a different costume and just changes it around a little it is not theft anymore (or so he told us) and there is nothing the original artist can do about it.
Off course i don't know if the same goes for the art theft of the handmade art.
I know how much this much suck for you.
The nerve that some people have never seems to end!
I have given up on selling on art markets and such since there are always people wanting to steal your ideas.....and some of them even simply talk about taking my idea and saying it right in front of me, they will take out a camera, make photos or simply discuss with the person with them how to re-make it. Or they simply ask me what materials i use exactly and how i make it.
It is absolutly rediculous and very upsetting. So in order for me to prevent this kind of stress and hurt i simply do not attent art markets anymore.

In your case, i am not sure what you can do about it.
In the end she can claim whatever she wants to get out anything.
And the option of taking her to court is not worth it in the end....all the stress, negative energy, costs of going to court.....
Do not feel bad for name calling....you were asked for the information and you provided it. You have done nothing wrong here.

Thanks. I'm not planning on going to court with it. But, I am doing a bit of research to provide her with the information as a just in case, because if she did it to me she might do it to someone else (which is why I made the post), and who knows the next person might not be so kind. I don't have any problems with people upcycling things I make or people deciding to change things up after they've bought it. It's just very upsetting that she is claiming the entire thing as 100% her work Makes me feel a bit disrespected as she's always asking me if I an make things for her, but as of right now she is on my no sell list (and I hate having to do that). If she had been honest to begin with and said she built on top of a headdress she purchased from me then I'd be ok with that. If she decides to do so now I will still be upset about it because it took making a public post about it for her to say that, AFTER having lied directly to me about it.

I just wanted to let people know what happened so they could know a potential possibility of selling to her, and to see if I'm right in feeling the way I do about it.

[Adalira]

do not underestimate mold!
even if your relatives don't show obvious symptoms, mold can kill your health, especially if it's sitting in the wall, behind tapestries, under carpets and so on.

It can begin with a stuffed nose, then move on to affect your lungs, brain (headaches!) and general well-being.
I know it's hard if the house is built in a way that generates mold, it's the same in my parents house.

My mother has an ever worsening cough which started out with a stuffed nose.
If you're not sure how high the spore contamination is, you can test it out with a mold kit.

Don't get me started about doctors.
Even if they see you, more often than not, they don't help you at all.
I had a slight fever and a cold that lasted 6 weeks a year ago.
When I went to see the doctor, she looked a bit at me, told me I had a fever (orly), and that it couldn't be helped because my immune system was probably crap.
Then she sent me home.

I used home remedies and stuff, battled the mold in the house for a few weeks, and finally got rid of it.

I am starting to think more and more that it must be the mold since i have been feeling like this most of the year and was sick for over a month in April/May as well.
This house is complete crap. The window frames are completly rotten, you can literally poke your fingers right through them.
Most windows are sealed shut with wood so the glass does not fall out, this does mean that it is almost impossible for us to open windows in the house.
Only 2 or 3 windows can open on one side of the house, which is most likely the reason for the mold as well.
I have spent weeks and weeks cleaning mold instantly when i saw it pop up somewhere and still there is mold everywhere.
I cleaned up last week and found another spot covered in mold and i know there are spots behind big closets that are too big and heavy to move.
2 Weeks ago a family came to look at the house and land (my parents put it up for sale) so once this place is sold we will be moving out and building a house ourselves (small wooden house)
The fact that this house is very poorly insulated, barely any windows that can open to ventilate and is so humid and moldy is most likely the cause of my poor health.

I agree with you on doctors! These days they simply feel that if something is not life threatening (in their eyes) they simply do not help you or prescribe anything.
They act as if they do not get paid to help you lol!

[Adalira]

Thanks. I'm not planning on going to court with it. But, I am doing a bit of research to provide her with the information as a just in case, because if she did it to me she might do it to someone else (which is why I made the post), and who knows the next person might not be so kind. I don't have any problems with people upcycling things I make or people deciding to change things up after they've bought it. It's just very upsetting that she is claiming the entire thing as 100% her work Makes me feel a bit disrespected as she's always asking me if I an make things for her, but as of right now she is on my no sell list (and I hate having to do that). If she had been honest to begin with and said she built on top of a headdress she purchased from me then I'd be ok with that. If she decides to do so now I will still be upset about it because it took making a public post about it for her to say that, AFTER having lied directly to me about it.

I just wanted to let people know what happened so they could know a potential possibility of selling to her, and to see if I'm right in feeling the way I do about it.

I totally agree with you and would do the same thing if i were in your shoes.
It is very upsetting that it has to come to this just because she can not be honest about it.
Isn't it weird how some people have a hard time giving credit to the people who deserve it?
It is a sad thing to see.
But once again, i totally agree with you and the actions you have/are taking because of it.
This was your creation, your creativity and you should stand up for that.

[Morticia Mermaid]

Thanks Adalira. Its actually really validating hearing that its ok to feel the way I do. I work hard on and put a lot into everything I make. I am always super proud of everything I send out, and end up getting attached to it so I get really sad about sending it away. Its really heart breaking to have this happen.

[Adalira]

Thanks Adalira. Its actually really validating hearing that its ok to feel the way I do. I work hard on and put a lot into everything I make. I am always super proud of everything I send out, and end up getting attached to it so I get really sad about sending it away. Its really heart breaking to have this happen.

I completly understand where you are coming from, i really do. And it is totally ok to feel the way you do.
You put hard work and love into everything cause you love doing what you do.
When someone treats your work of art this way and does not even acknowledge that it was your hard work....that is heart breaking.
People can be very very insensitive to creative people and their work.
It would have been fine if she said that the new thing she made out of your was completly her own design, as long as she would have said that the original piece was made by you and that she re-made it. That she created something new out of a creations of you would have been fine, the way she did it is not fine at all and very rude and insensitive of her.

[AniaR]

That's lame. I have had gear fall apart over the years so I'll upcycle it into something new... but this is just plain old stealing!

[shimmygoddess]

Um, IMO that is art theft! But I don't really know the laws, but even so, that is just unethical! I can understand revamping stuff but she specifically said she made it? WTF!!! I am speechless! Glad you posted the video. If people are going to have the balls to be unethical, they need to deal w/ the consequences!!

Edit:
**If she claims it is a different one, I would ask her to photograph them both together b/c they look identical and that you are curious to see if their are any differences. I would also state, that you don't appreciate someone copying your art.

Thanks Adalira. Its actually really validating hearing that its ok to feel the way I do. I work hard on and put a lot into everything I make. I am always super proud of everything I send out, and end up getting attached to it so I get really sad about sending it away. Its really heart breaking to have this happen.

[-Annwyn-]

Is is low, but to these people I'm worth less than the moldy old gum on the sole of their shoe. It's mind boggling the lack of logic they have and the sheer disregard for other people around them.