Baggy and wrinkled tails? Where have you seen them? Sizing issues I believe are typically on the customer's mis-measurements...I thought you were going to complain about declining customer service, which is a lot tougher to dispute.
Baggy and wrinkled tails? Where have you seen them? Sizing issues I believe are typically on the customer's mis-measurements...I thought you were going to complain about declining customer service, which is a lot tougher to dispute.
Also, there is naturally some bagginess/wrinkles to tails. If you're comparing them to the Splash tail, it was much heavier duty and Daryl Hannah's legs were shrink wrapped to get rid of outlines from knees/ankles and prevent wrinkles etc. That's dangerous unless you've got a safety crew. Also, Raven doesn't photoshop her tails- some tailmakers will touch up their tails (remove wrinkles etc) in their promo pics.
I think it is safe to say that anyone paying $3,000 for a tail would not want their tail to be baggy or wrinkly anywhere. I know there are natural wrinkles, but I have seen several pictures of tails that look far too big. I'm not complaining at all, simply stating an observation. I'm not comparing her tails to the Splash tail. I'm comparing them to every other tail on the market (FinFolk, MerNation, MerTailor, etc.)Originally Posted by Theta
I mean, you're seeing what you're seeing, and that's cool. (Not trying to argue.) I don't see it, personally (just looked through a bunch of her customer photos to check.) My tail wrinkles at the ankles when I'm bending them, but there has to be some slack in that area to be able to swim safely.
Do you have examples or the photos that you're seeing wrinkles in? It might be easier if we saw the same pictures.
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No Ariel still nothing....
Yeah, I can't think of any baggy Raven tails. MerTailor is whom I particularly see bagginess from but otherwise I feel that the other major tailmakers out there have gotten the sizing generally pretty well. *shrug*
I'm wondering if the situations Teeth4u is talking abkut is the rare occasion where you see someone in one of Raven's tails that wasn't originally made for them...like mermaid photo shoots or someone who bought or borrowed someone else's tail and so it doesn't fit the wearer perfectly but Raven cannot really be blamed for that.
Of course, here are a few examples.
I know Raina has said that she had wrinkle issues at merfest and figured it out but she has since posted more pictures where her tail has significantly more wrinkles than her previous one. I think it is safe to say these tails appear to be baggy in areas whether due to measurement errors or productions mistakes. However, they are just pictures. I would love to hear from these mermaids about how their tails actually fit.
No, I am talking about custom made tails for a specific individuals.
FYI, Raina ASKED Raven to make the ankle area bigger, so it would be easier to put on.
With the Koi tail, it really looks like the tail wasn't made for her, and then of course it wouldn't fit perfectly.
Actually, there is one tail I can think of.
It was the first gold tail of Catalina Mermaid from Sheroes Entertainment before the new one.
And here is her upgraded gold tail from Raven where the sizing issue had been totally solved
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FYI, I get wrinkles too with my tail from Finfolk Productions in spite of the perfect fit and I'm totally okay with it
Truth is that they are unavoidable.
You really can't include Raina's tails in this group because hers are specially made a little looser to accommodate a medical issue.
The koi looks baggy but the mer in question may have lost some weight between giving Raven the measurements and having her tail completed. Raven's production times are notoriously long, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are people whose bodies change during that period.
I've got nothing on the gold one, except that it's been fixed, and the earlier images are not terribly recent, considering.
The ankle wrinkles are what I was talking about upthread. You can see the same things on the finfolk and mertailor tails, too.
I don't even consider Raina's to be an example of this; she's explained the bagginess/wrinkles? She didn't get it pulled up high enough since it was her first time with the brand new tail. She's an exception out of those images. especially in the last of her images? There are some positions you will no matter what have wrinkles because of the way the body bends. Her tail fits excellently when pulled on appropriately and it's expected that it isn't perfect every time you wear it. I think it's a case of too-high expectations sometimes.
As for the koi...I've seen some shots before where her tail seemed VERY well-fitted. I don't know what's going on with that one and I won't speculate. Could've been the customer's measurements error, weight fluctuations or a mistake on Raven's position. I don't think she's on Mernetwork either so I doubt we'll find out why it's baggy.
NCmermaid is on the network though and she didn't leave an official review that I saw (may have scrolled past?). I feel like the image you posted was very soon after she received her tail; I remember it being one of the first few I saw of it although I'm probably incorrect haha!
Nonetheless, though. I think it's just not pulling it up high enough or the way she is laying. Look how well it fits in other pictures of her tail (although photoshop could often be at play in any mermaid's photos):
SAME photoshoot. Wrinkles happen, and I'm not saying that none of Raven's tails are ever baggy (there is evidence supporting that they are sometimes) but Shimmy's I think is a case of a VERY well fitted tail. Most of her images on her Facebook (credit! https://www.facebook.com/MermaidAmara/ ) are wrinkle-free and beautiful.
(Also, despite wanting to NOT be speculative...I feel like I was. If this post has stepped out of line in some way, I apologize.)
EDIT: Also! Wow. That gold tail, the updated one, is beautiful. Gahhh. The first one was a partial with neoprene lining I think, that may have influenced it some. Who knows, though.
In my opinion, unless you are there for the tailmaker to actually use your legs, there will be wrinkles. And even still. The koi tail, I remember we all notice sizing issues. The reason the merbella tails seem to wrinkle more than other tailmakers imho is that they are a bit thinner. This is good for range of motion, drag, weight, and getting tails on, but it does cause wrinkles when you twist.
The mertailors are really thick, so when they wrinkle, it's more like a ~ shape than a MW shape. Finfolk too. Their tails are thicker.
After seeing a ton of these tails in person though, the thicker ones still wrinkle, and the most I'll-fitting tail can be made to look good with camera angles, certain sitting positions, and even stuffing- yes I've seen mers stuff their tails lol.
I mean do you have a pair of jeans that don't wrinkle when you bend your knee? I don't mean to like ruin the magic but no tail looks 100% real in person. Even Pearlie Mae's form fitted perfect tail wrinkles when she twists or bends her knees and ankles. That's not a bash to pearlie at all, because it's so beautiful in person let me tell you, but that's how it is. I do see some sizing issues with the gold tail and the koi tail, which I don't know anything about but you can see in the pic of mermaid ginger in her finfolk, she has ankle wrinkles too.
Those are usually caused because the mer didn't spend too long trying to get the tail pulled up all the way. (It takes flippin forever ugh lol)
so basically, what I'm saying is: the only tails I have ever seen without wrinkles would be one of the following: h2o, cgi, most fabric tails, and the mertailor lobster and whale tails. Those are constructed differently than other tails, and are 2-part molds. Maybe moo's tails too. I totally get what you're saying but it's really sortof a universal mermaid problem. I know at merfest, Raina was struggling a bit with adjusting to the new waist and getting the tail on, then she cut her hand, and then she tore it so now is being really careful getting in and out, so hers is sortof an isolated case anyways.
So yeah. In my personal opinion, the way merbella tails wrinkle is sortof typical, but as they're thinner, they wrinkle in smaller folds that are more noticeable on camera, but I would say the thicker wrinkles are more noticeable in person.
What am I even talking about. Sorry for the wall of text I got into it lol
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Lol I love it when a brand 'new' member jumps in to critique... Lol
Not sure where you see wrinkles in my photos lol
My tail is skin tight. It couldn't get any tighter. I think you're confusing seams with wrinkles and bent knees and bent ankles with wrinkles. I think you're a case of never used a tail or maybe even seen one in person
Raina, I really don't appreciate you jumping to assumptions about me and who I am. I was unaware that you asked for a tail that would be somewhat baggy due to your health issues. I'm a new member but that doesn't mean I'm a new mermaid.
I think everyone here has very valid points. No tail will Be 100% perfect and it is nearly impossible to avoid wrinkles. However, a tail like the koi one or gold one should not be acceptable in my opinion. All tail makers have probably messed up at some point and made a baggy tail or two. I'm glad those who have recently purchased a merbella tail feel they got their money's worth.
Not to mention you keep blaming the tail maker for the wrinkles when it's all about the measurements they're given. A tail can only fit as well as it's measured and Raven is implementing new techniques for clients to measure tails with to make sure they fit better. But most mermaids report weight loss after recieving a tail and swimming in it for a while, even Raina whom I consider to be very slender lost weight on her first tail, which leads to baggage. You can't really blame us for getting defensive when you came in here with a comment that seemed to only be for the purpose of conflict and seemingly very little knowledge about how things like this works.
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