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    Rant About Safety

    I was talking to someone else about mermaid safety and something they said upset me. When I expressed concerns like many others, that a death of a mermaid would cause issues for the entire community, they basically belittled it that since scuba divers die all the time it wouldn't make that big a difference. It inspired this rant :d interested to hear your thoughts below.


    Merfolk, as much as we all know the media can overblow things, hype them up, and create hysteria... we can't pretend that swimming in a mermaid tail and related activities such as breath holding etc aren't without risks. We are a tiny community compared to others, and if you think one death wont effect us all... you're wrong. One person found dead in their mermaid tail, drowned, would be absolutely devastating for that person and their family, but would also ruin the potential our community has. We'd be under a microscope, people would lose business, insurance costs would sky rocket, and it would affect other areas as well.


    Please, look at this for yourself as an adult the same way we look at safety for kids in tails. Don't swim alone. Don't attempt things well outside your abilities without professional guidance and support. Get scuba certified if you can because it seems to really help. Have a plan for emergencies (do you know how you'd get out of a pool if you're doing a gig in your 50lb silicone tail and they evacuate the pool because of fire, potential for electric shock, or other harm?) and use common sense. Those effortless videos you see ofHannah Mermaid underwater with sharks? You're not seeing the dozens of safety divers, the people wrangling sharks, the people swimming over to her with air.


    You can dream big and take the necessary steps (or splashes) to get there. But with an unpredictable element such as water and other factors, there's no short cutting it. You gotta put the time in and learn the skills, and create for yourself a safe environment.


    Even something as simple as how many kids you have at a pool party per mermaid can make a difference. I've been working with different mentors on how to make our company safer and have various protocols so my mers know what to do in dangerous situations. I've been reaching out to other professionals to help us gain specialized safety training in areas such as underwater blackouts etc. Having access to an AED (at any public venue it's standard here in Canada), having access to people trained in CPR, knowing how to get a tail off someone else in emergency etc.


    ...and while we're on the subject, pools concerns about kids in tails are valid. I know, we know that issues are few and far between, but that doesn't mean they're over-reacting by being concerned. A ban? yes, an over reaction, but what leads to these over-reactions is people not being responsible, and the same will go for us as adults. If we don't take these responsibilities toward safety seriously we will limit ourselves. (there's other threads specifically about kids and bans etc)


    Instead of meeting safety concerns with an eye roll, try brainstorming and putting into place some solutions. This has been your rant for the day!


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    Honestly, if nothing else, value yourself enough to take safety precautions. They might seem annoying and tedious at first, but they become second-nature eventually.
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    Agreed.

    Mermaiding is drastically different than scuba diving in the way it is perceived by the general public.
    If someone dies while scuba diving, pretty much everyone knows that there are safety risks the divers are aware of. The activity is understood to be a recreative sport with accepted risks.
    Mermaiding on the other hand is not well know. People usually don't even understand the mechanics behind it unless it is thoroughly explained. And unfortunately, in our society today, people and the media have a tendency to blow things they don't understand out of proportion if there is even the slightest chance of danger.

    Raina you are totally right. If a mer was found dead or maybe even extremely injured in their tail it would blow a giant whole through all the effort the community has put into making our hobby more acceptable to the public. Pools are already strict in their rules, there's already a heap of drama from misinformed parents concerned for their kids' safety, and as always social media and news networks like to take people's concerns and blow them up right back at them.
    I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but we are just not accepted as common practice. Being the scary unknown thing is the biggest risk for this community.
    If someone gets severely injured because of being a mer, we can pretty much kiss our pretty fins goodbye.

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    I'm pissed hat to write this 3 fkn times ....
    I almost died once while swimming at sea.....

    Well last summer I when down to the south coast to swim in the Caribbean Sea for the first time when we got there there was also a national recerve a dry forest wich I had to go explore and feel wild I got back like 3 hours later when I decided to go in the water it was about 5 pm so it was a bit late for a deep dive but I still wanted to go out it was the reason we crossed the island the beach was dorounded by a (moon ) shaped reef about 4 feet deep filled with jagged rock's coral and hedgehogs lots of them I whent out through the corner of the moon shape in order to reach deep open waters quickly, I found a beautiful garden and the flowers were all the colorful fish in that one spot the reef was about 25 feet deep but very far away from the shore as the sun started to get pretty low I decided to head back but the current had gone up the tides were much stronger once I reached the edge of the initial moon shaped reef surrounding the beach I realiced that crossing it would be almost impossible and would not happen without a price. From there on my only two options for getting back to shore were a deep canal or trench a very big one wich lead to a (comercial) bay that canal was used by huge crouses and ships also sharks have been spotted there, and the other option was going through the violent reef and I made my way through that violent reef because I had a little paranoia about the sharks and their hunting hours that begin at Sun set or dusk so I risked going through the violent reef, as I began to make my way through the shallow water I realised that I had to hold on at some point and that it was not safe for my hands so I decided to use my tail to hold on. As the waves came the water was shallower and there was less space between the jagged edge rock's and my skin, at one point I was holding on (imagine a flags movement in strong wind) wile the water wiped my body like cloth and in the process slamming me into the rock's, in the process I had to breathe so as soon as I looked back another wave was on top of me but this time the rock I was so desperately trying to hold onto broke as a result I cut my chest, abdomen and legs, I breathe again a wave comes but this time ki did not hold on as I didn't have time, I saw a rock in front of me and I was about to crash face first into it so instinctively I extended my hands to receive the impact, but in return fractured my hand and dislocated my pinky (ouch) when I finally got out of the shallow reef I came in to a somewhat deep area free of rock's just sand , and there I was thinking I fkng survived this! My body stings all over cause of the salt water in my wounds, at this point I did not notice my broken arm or the out of place finger all I did was keep swimming towards shore once I finally got out of the water and I examined my self found my pinky out of place so in my underwear and bleeding I walked over to were my mother was and when she saw me she almost died two but luckily for me she is a nurse and when she saw my finger she calmly asked to take a look and put it back in place believe me I almost punched her. Once I got treated the doctor removed 15 hedgehog needles from my thighs and chest and 4 from my arm and a few hours later I had my cast.

    People my ask why I was alone. I'm a certified open water scuba diver so I know the risk of being alone at sea. But last time I swam with some one who was experienced at surfing and snorkeling he ended up having a asmma (breathing problems) and I ended up saving him and dragging him back to shore so from that day forward I always only trust my ability to survive and alone I can handle my self without having to concern my self with someone else's safety.
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    Raina is 100% right. safety is key and a death in the community would not bode well for us at all.
    I'll be honest. I can barely swim. I can't float at all and i would never dream of even trying to dive and do mermaid stunts without first practicing, practicing and practicing again AND EVEN THEN. I love this community and i would hate to see it torn apart by something so tragic and easily avoidable. Yeah there will always be accidents and things out of our control but if we take the necessary steps to insure our safety and the safety of those around us we can at least not be on the negative end of an accident. aobve all else as mermaids we need to advocate safety among ourselves, and newer and younger mermaids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AniaR View Post
    I was talking to someone else about mermaid safety and something they said upset me. When I expressed concerns like many others, that a death of a mermaid would cause issues for the entire community, they basically belittled it that since scuba divers die all the time it wouldn't make that big a difference. It inspired this rant :d interested to hear your thoughts below.
    If anyone were to be found dead wearing a mer costume, I'm pretty sure that A) the press would be all over it and there would be major coverage and B) tabloids would distort the issue to the point that the deceased would be made out to be insane (as in unable to separate fantasy from reality). I can just imagine the headlines: "Thought she was a mermaid, got herself killed" or "Drowned believing she could breathe under water". And then the general public would give the rest of us a ton of flack cause we'd all seem like we're ready for the asylum or just a reckless bunch taking part in a reckless activity. It would probably takes years to win back the same level of respect that the community enjoys at the moment.
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    I agree there would be a huge backlash for mers and we'd never hear the end of it first from the press, then from everyone else who doesn't know any better.

    There are double standards for well-known activities, such as Scuba (or driving, or flying, or paragliding- everyone knows it can be deadly, but it's a-ok, just as smoking is- tsssss), and less well-known activities.
    Freediving?
    Just read the press's many sensational articles about the few freediving deaths that occur. No one blinks an eye with scuba, but apnoe is much less common.
    Now imagine something as exotic, unknown, and niche as mermaiding.

    I bet all pools would forbid tails (and probably fins) outright everywhere, just not to have to deal with liability.
    The only reason why we haven't had an accident yet is probably because most mers are very recreational- many stick to pools or shallow waters, where they can show their tails and frolic with children.
    Few go on real dives with their tail- and those who do, usually know what they're doing because they are freedivers anyway and have safety divers, etc.

    It cannot hurt though to educate even the recreational mer about freediving and its risks, even if tailswimming is not strictly freediving.
    Like, I encountered open scepticism and doubt when I mentioned in some goggle thread that one shouldn't dive down deeper than 2 metres with swimming goggles (was met with "I regularly dive down to 20 metres with them and have no problems!!").

    There also were quite a few peeps in an ocean-swimming thread who seemed to be a bit reckless regarding currents etc.
    I'm a very experienced ocean swimmer and float like a cork, but I wouldn't even think of taking my tail into the ocean unless it was a quiet, secluded cove and I had a crew of helpers.

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    I'm curious to know if you guys think it's OK or not OK to swim by yourself in a public pool. Ie when there are lots of other people around but no one specifically looking out for you (well besides the life guards of course!) Also ditto with a beach where there are others around and maybe a life guard watching that particular stretch of beach. Of course I'd always prefer to go mer swimming with a friend but it's not always practical.

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    People WILL blow it out of proportion. People will distort the facts. People won't try to understand just what actually happened.

    Years ago, the University I attended had a scuba class. I'm not even aware of all the facts (number of students, awareness of the teacher, etc), but one student died and the class was cancelled.

    I was swimming in a monofin in the school's diving well while others were lap swimming. I came up from the bottom and an elder swimmer told me it was dangerous and to be careful because a student died doing that. They weren't talking about my monofin, they were talking about the student who had ascended too quickly while scuba diving. They didn't know the difference.

    But this shows, even with something where the risks are well known, that one incident can have a huge effect on others. One incident and the class was removed from the school's curriculum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leomar View Post
    I'm curious to know if you guys think it's OK or not OK to swim by yourself in a public pool. Ie when there are lots of other people around but no one specifically looking out for you (well besides the life guards of course!) Also ditto with a beach where there are others around and maybe a life guard watching that particular stretch of beach. Of course I'd always prefer to go mer swimming with a friend but it's not always practical.

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    I agree with what everyone else has said, and I would say no. You said it yourself, no one is specifically looking out for you. For me, I've done a lot of research into dangers such as shallow water blackouts from hyperventilating, etc... and I'm not willing to chance it. My bf acts as our spotter whenever we practice and perform. He's CPR certified, an outstanding swimmer and he's large and strong enough to pull out even a panicked mermaid in full tail. He also paces the side of the pool, looking in and making sure we are moving and surfacing when underwater. He is never not looking. I honestly don't feel safe with anything less than a trained, vigilant spotter. I might be a little over the top about this, but I feel better safe than sorry for myself at least

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    The first rule of freediving is to never dive alone. If you are just going for a few basic laps and splashes in a public pool, I think you're fine on your own since there is a lifeguard. But if you are doing any extended breath holding in any water, never do it alone, for risk of shallow water blackout. And any swimming in the ocean or a lake should be with a buddy or spotter, even if a lifeguard is present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leomar View Post
    I'm curious to know if you guys think it's OK or not OK to swim by yourself in a public pool. Ie when there are lots of other people around but no one specifically looking out for you (well besides the life guards of course!) Also ditto with a beach where there are others around and maybe a life guard watching that particular stretch of beach. Of course I'd always prefer to go mer swimming with a friend but it's not always practical.

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    Personally I would feel comfortable doing this myself, but only because I trust my skills as a swimmer and feel like I have a long enough breath hold where if something were to happen (say something crazy like getting a fin stuck in the pool filter) I think I would be okay. Never for a full performance or breath hold practice though, I am only talking about a quick swim (20-30 mins or less) to cool off or have fun for a minute. If someone isn't a very strong swimmer and cannot hold their breath long, I would not advise even a quick dip without a spotter. Safety first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leomar View Post
    I'm curious to know if you guys think it's OK or not OK to swim by yourself in a public pool. Ie when there are lots of other people around but no one specifically looking out for you (well besides the life guards of course!) Also ditto with a beach where there are others around and maybe a life guard watching that particular stretch of beach. Of course I'd always prefer to go mer swimming with a friend but it's not always practical.

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    You are sure on a roll with replying to every single thread that has to do with safety. (At least this one is *somewhat* recent? :P )

    This seems to be something you're very invested in - which is good- but I feel like all we're doing at this point is giving you the same responses in all these threads. And I feel some of the assumptions you're presenting in some of these posts are incorrect and I'm curious where you're getting your info from or what you're basing it on. For instance in this 4 year old thread you think people can't drown their first time in a silicone tail. (I'm replying here because I dont think there's a need too spread these issues out across so many threads, and at least here people are active and can reply whereas that thread is mostly people who aren't here anymore) and that's just a poor assumption. I haven't seen you say anywhere htat you've swam in a silicone tail, and even if you had, your one experience couldn't be applied to everyone. Many people express struggling their first time in a silicone tail and feeling panicked and the potential for drowning is real. So many factors can play into it. Where I float in my She creature tail, one of my smaller mermaids who the tail is a bit big on (so it fills up with more water) sunk like a stone and because the fluke had no kick, couldnt get to the surface. Another one of my girls had a similar experience and found herself panicking underwater. The only reason these situations didn't escalate was because we have a safety protocol and intervened.

    At this point, does it really have to be asked- can we swim alone?

    Really what it comes down to is mermaids can do whatever they want (barring any bans) but whether or not they should is another question. The actions have ripple effects through the whole community.

    Now my point with THIS thread (5 months ago) was that the person I spoke to (well respected in the community) felt it was OK to take risks (such as breathing from an air hose without training) because if a mermaid died, it would't really effect the community, because by their logic scuba divers die all the time.

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    It can't be said enough. Safety and common sense are a must, or we will all be effected. What most people don't think about is that the media does not look for what happens often and the norm. They get more by showing the rare and bazar. In the minds of the public if a scuba diver dies, they think "that has happened before, so what?" However, if a person in a tail dies, that is media gold. Think about it. If you turned on the TV or logged on to a news site and there was a story that said something along the line of "Mermaid Dead," or "Girl Wearing Mermaid Costume Drowns," would you not stay tuned? Who would not, and could you blame them? It is a very juicy story that will get them a lot of viewers.
    For many of these people, this will be their first time hearing of mermaiding as a hobby and possibly even swimming using the dolphin kick. A lot of people, as you probably see from comments on the tail ban stuff, believe that wearing a tail is a handicap. They believe that a person in a tail cannot honestly swim as good as someone without. Even though we all know better and will try to explain that is far from fact, they are emotionally driven. Logic will not convince a great many of them because they still "feel" it is unsafe. Since mermaiding is not something they do, they don't give a (insert word you want here) if it is out lawed. In the 1980's, there was a score of martial art and ninja movies came out. Many Americans and Europeans saw nunchacku and ninja stars for the time, and many got the idea that they were not something that should be legal, despite the fact that these weapons had been available in the west for some time and had never been used in any crime. Most people didn't practice martial arts, let alone with these weapons, so they didn't care if they were banned. To this day they are restricted in many areas.

    Don't doubt that the same thing can happen to mermaiding.

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    ah yes, nunchaku and shuriken.
    Banned and illegal in Germany to this day, and the movies which feature them (some of the best around, btw) are CENSORED and the scenes where they are masterfully used are cut out.

    But you can buy spearguns, which regularly cause accidents where their owners shoot their friends or themselves in the 4$$ lol.

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    I beg your pardon, but were you making a point with that last text, or, were you mocking me? Not trying to be rude here. I'm asking in ernest.

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    I beg your pardon, but were you making a point with that last text, or, were you mocking me? Not trying to be rude here. I'm asking in ernest.
    I'm pretty sure they were making a point.

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    I meant exactly what I said.

    Nunchakus and shuriken are banned in Germany, spearguns (possession and buying/selling them) are not.
    Considering you cannot really harm someone accidentally with the former, but very easily with the latter, that's pretty silly.

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    Forgive me for being suspicious then. I sometimes find it difficult to know if someone is being facetious. As for whether or not someone can accidentally hurt themselves with a nunchacu or shuriken, never underestimate idiots. They can hurt themselves with anything.

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    Also, I believe they should be legal.

    I've strayed off topic a bit. Getting back to what we were discussing, we need to be cautious while mermaiding because the public would not be rational if something tragic happened.

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