Merbellas Thread

[Starfrit]

Yeah, here's what I don't get.

It's one thing to make a negative review video detailing your experience-- but when you're laughing the whole time, blatantly stating that Raven "didn't care about my tail," that she "made it in a week", spend half the video insulting Raven herself and claiming that she doesn't care about anyone who isn't a "famous" mermaid, and then actively discourage your viewers from ever going to her at all because "It's not worth it, do your research, go to another tailmaker"... that kind of crosses a line. Especially when apparently you can't keep your own facts straight in your own damn video.

She claims in the video she waited three years. This hasn't been the case. She claims in the video that it cost four thousand dollars. This hasn't been the case. She acts like it's Raven's fault that her ankle fins started tearing when literally everybody bloody knows that ankle fins are among the most delicate and are ridiculously prone to tearing because of their placement. She points out all this wear and tear and then openly brags that her and her mermaids do frequent gigs that are "way longer than the average mermaid" and is shocked when her tail is showing more wear?

She tries to talk tech about how it was put together, about how the monofin is "obviously" used, and makes a lot of bullshit, downright nasty assumptions about Raven and her craftsmanship when it's really, really obvious in the video that she knows literally nothing (if not next to nothing) about how a silicone tail is made. She brushes off Raven at one point telling her that her tail was taking longer to make due to wet weather as a "weird excuse" and like it's bullshit when anybody who's done a scrap of research knows that silicone doesn't cure in wet weather.

That's where I stand after seeing the video. A third of it is bullshit, a third of it is her talking about shit she doesn't know about, and a third of it is her flopping between outright shitting all over Raven insulting her and then annoyingly spewing out "OH BUT I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER, THIS IS ~~*JUST MY OPINION*~~" as a bullshit afterthought.

And then blocked Raven and Raina from seeing it, closed the video off so only a handful of her followers (or yes-men, IMO) could see it, tore apart anybody who pointed out any discrepancies in her video. enabled her friends to THREATEN RAINA WITH PHYSICAL HARM AND ATTACK HER BUSINESS and then just quietly mention "oh yeah some of the things I said were mistakes" only after the damage had already been done.

But Raina showed someone an email in private and didn't name anybody so she's the bad guy. Sure. I guess we'll go with that since that seems to be the fallback whenever someone gets caught being a shit.

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[shimmygoddess]

Yeah, here's what I don't get.

It's one thing to make a negative review video detailing your experience-- but when you're laughing the whole time, blatantly stating that Raven "didn't care about my tail," that she "made it in a week", spend half the video insulting Raven herself and claiming that she doesn't care about anyone who isn't a "famous" mermaid, and then actively discourage your viewers from ever going to her at all because "It's not worth it, do your research, go to another tailmaker"... that kind of crosses a line. Especially when apparently you can't keep your own facts straight in your own damn video.

She claims in the video she waited three years. This hasn't been the case. She claims in the video that it cost four thousand dollars. This hasn't been the case. She acts like it's Raven's fault that her ankle fins started tearing when literally everybody bloody knows that ankle fins are among the most delicate and are ridiculously prone to tearing because of their placement. She points out all this wear and tear and then openly brags that her and her mermaids do frequent gigs that are "way longer than the average mermaid" and is shocked when her tail is showing more wear?

She tries to talk tech about how it was put together, about how the monofin is "obviously" used, and makes a lot of bullshit, downright nasty assumptions about Raven and her craftsmanship when it's really, really obvious in the video that she knows literally nothing (if not next to nothing) about how a silicone tail is made. She brushes off Raven at one point telling her that her tail was taking longer to make due to wet weather as a "weird excuse" and like it's bullshit when anybody who's done a scrap of research knows that silicone doesn't cure in wet weather.

That's where I stand after seeing the video. A third of it is bullshit, a third of it is her talking about shit she doesn't know about, and a third of it is her flopping between outright shitting all over Raven insulting her and then annoyingly spewing out "OH BUT I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER, THIS IS ~~*JUST MY OPINION*~~" as a bullshit afterthought.

And then blocked Raven and Raina from seeing it, closed the video off so only a handful of her followers (or yes-men, IMO) could see it, tore apart anybody who pointed out any discrepancies in her video. enabled her friends to THREATEN RAINA WITH PHYSICAL HARM AND ATTACK HER BUSINESS and then just quietly mention "oh yeah some of the things I said were mistakes" only after the damage had already been done.

But Raina showed someone an email in private and didn't name anybody so she's the bad guy. Sure. I guess we'll go with that since that seems to be the fallback whenever someone gets caught being a shit.

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So spot on! Those are all the things I questioned. I think some of the people posting on the video are ones that don't even get it. It is the mob mentality and people just getting worked in a tizzy and agreeing. I bought a top from Raven from one of her cave sales. It turned out to be way to big and posted it for sale. She saw I posted it for sale and told me to send it back and offered to make me a whole new top. Seriously that is something she didn't have to do, but she started from scratch and I had a brand new gorgeous scaled top. That is someone who cares, so for someone to accuse Raven of not caring is total crap!

[Sea Mamma]

Hello.
I would like to introduce myself. I am Raven's Mom and I have been quietly lurking on the forums for quite a while. I joined with the
intention of better understanding what my daughter is so passionate about and the community that she loves so much. I like reading
about your gigs, seeing the excitement of getting your dream tails (from her as well as other tailmakers) and living adventures that I
always dreamed about as a child. While I am her mother I have absolutely zero influence on how she runs her business. She will
occasionally bounce ideas off of me, show me her sketches and talk about how she gets excited when she takes a new order and is
challenged to create someones dreams. I also see all of the frustrations and stress involved in doing what she does. For those who
think that she makes a fortune doing what she loves I can assure you that is not a reality. She does it because of her passion to
create. But that same passion that makes her so driven is also the very thing that makes situations such as this so painful for her.


She may seem aloof or distant on the forums because she is never on here but that is done for exactly this reason. She has heard about
divisiveness in the community that this review has caused and the hurtful comments that have been made about her and she is absolutely
devastated. She has always taken great pride in her work and makes every effort to make a client happy and was completely blindsided
by this review and the hurtful comments that have been made regarding her ethics.
She was never made aware of any issues with the tail and the last thing that she knew this client was happy with her tail and posted a
glowing review of it. Raven would have made every effort to resolve the situation had she known about it prior to the review.Even her
desire to step away from the situation to re-evaluated her business practices, her desire to limit taking custom orders and limiting
further sales has been questioned as suspicious. She herself has not commented on any of this and yet she is being discredited by
speculation. And most painful for her is watching her friend Raina take the hits for in an effort to defend her. Please understand
when Raina says that she understands the business side of Merbella Studios she is telling the truth. She frequently has pitched in the
help Raven and Tyler when they are over run with e-mails, orders, questions etc. She is very well aware of things that I'm not even
privy too. It saddens me that the fact that she has been threatened and harassed for simply for trying help preserve Raven's best
interest. I have seen her do it for other people as well. So with that said I'm going to address some of the issues.


1. She claimed her tail cost 4k. (she has since redacted that to 3k) It was actually because
she was refunded a portion, a little less than 3k. She was charged 3k for a tail with all the fixings and
a top, but the top was refunded . Paypal invoice backs this up


2. She claimed she waited 2 years, then claim she waited 3 years in the comments. She did not. She paid,
and had her tail delivered a little over a year later. Again a Paypal invoice.


3. She claimed raven sent her photos to approve, and then after the fact, added spots. The photo
she approved (and shared on her fb and fan page and shared on merbellas fan page) has spots.


4. She made claims about a top and Raven not accepting it. She has a bigger chest so she "sent"
Raven a bra to make her top from. The bra never came, and raven has the email records of asking her about it, and where she admits it
somehow didn't get to her.


5. She complained she was charged 100$ for shipping, That is standard, but in fact she was refunded the difference from her top
and the shipping. She never accepted the refund (backed up by paypal screen shots and emails)


6. Claims in comments that Raven photoshopped her tail to hide flaws. Raven has multiple
photos of exactly what the tail looked like before it was sent out.


7. Claims she contacted them about all these issues, she did not.
She contacted them AFTER she posted the video review saying "I just wanted to contact you BEFORE I make a review" This is backed up
with E-mails.


8. Claims Raven did not send her any gifts. (first of all, she does't owe people gifts). She was sent a bracer, a scale heart
and a customized hair clip. Which she complained about and stated that it looked like a child made it (though somehow she's she didn't
receive any gifts.


9. Claims her monofin is probably used and cracking. The monofin is brand new from finis (Merbellas is literally
listed as one of their suppliers and are sent boxes of monofins.
They don't "crack" they literally snap like an elastic. And
the finis foil and finis competitor are known for doing that.


10. Claims Raven threw her tail together with no personal thought in a week.
(raven has a thing where if you claim she screwed up your measurements, you can show her a photo of it with measuring tape. If it
matches the measurements you sent her, she'll fix it at your cost. if it doesn't, she'll fit it at her cost)


11. She claims the scales on her fluke "fell off."They aren't individual scales. They don't fall off. It's a scale
sheet.


The moderators have been supplied with all screen shots and e-mails so that an impartial third party could review it. I made Raven
aware that i was going to post this to take Raina out of the line of fire and she very reluctantly agreed. Those of you who are long
timers know that raven abhors drama and never responds publicly to bad reviews, gossip etc.but this time it was too much to stay
quiet, Right now she is lacking the ability to form a cohesive rebuttal and would like to end the speculation once and for all but feels this is a no win situation for her. Luckie has made no request for resolution. Only the review and the redacted post where she corrects some of her "mistakes" in the review.

[AniaR]

you know totally random thought, but she may not realize her drainage system can get clogged. Happens all the time when we're in the ocean with the sticky sand that gets everywhere. So few people actually have drainage systems so it's not something people talk about. I unwound a hanger and use it to dislodge debris that gets into my drainage system. it's pretty easy and has never harmed my tail.

An idea for anyone else with a drainage system XD

[lynsea]

I would just like to say, Raven's Mom, thank you for creating and fostering an incredible talent!

[Mermaid Margo]

As a lover of Merbella tails, I was obviously attracted to all of the hustle and bustle in this thread, but I have no interest in attacking anyone. I simply want to wish Raven and her family well during this stressful time. I think that she is an extremely talented artist who is clearly passionate about her work. I hope that by taking a break from custom orders, she is able to focus on her physical and emotional health; I can only imagine how taxing her craft is, especially when it comes with the potential for so much drama.

[Keiris]

Sea Mamma, I am incredibly impressed with you taking such an interest in your daughter's interests and well being. I love it that you joined on here years ago to find out for yourself about one of your daughter's passions and I vastly admire the love and support you so obviously bestow on her. She's one of the most talented, hard-working artists I have ever seen and would be such a natural in the special effects industry in Hollywood. I wish MORE parents were as supportive as you are. The world would be such a better place.

[PearlieMae]

Brava, Sea Mamma! I hope she's starting to feel better.

I saw the video and followed the comments and watched this whole debacle unfold, and it confounds me how quickly people turn into idiots talking out of their asses! It was surreal and asinine the way people jumped on the 'hate on Raven' bandwagon! Part of me wanted to jump into the fray, but I didn't have irrefutable proof either way, so I would have been just as culpable as those in the thread...and I would have been quickly blocked and unable to follow what was going on, and frankly, I had other stuff I needed to take care of. I have tail commissions of my own to worry about. I figured things would sort themselves out. I had no idea things would get this stupid and ugly. Makes me glad I'm a solitary mer!

I reached out to Raven, and it hurts my heart to see her absolutely gobsmacked over the idiotic way this "review"was delivered! But again, not knowing first-hand what all the details and what was happening, I felt I wasn't going to add anything constructive to the conversation...I'm not sure I am, now!

It was badly handled from the start, and the mer should have attempted to reach her tailmaker, something I understand never happened, thus Raven being blindsided. And then to get bullied and dumped on by a shit ton of people who had no dog in this race, had no business piping up, yammering on like THEY were expert tailmakers! What the fuck?

It was a disgusting display of mob mentality, and I know Raven to be a sensitive soul, and she couldn't have been more hurt if you stabbed her. It's no wonder that she wants to quit doing custom work! I would (do), too!

This entire thing should have been between the tailmaker and their client.

And the badly behaved commentators should have kept their big traps shut.

[shimmygoddess]

Makes me glad I'm a solitary mer!

Yep, this pretty much. I have a small circle that I trust and this is why. Its sad really

[AniaR]

And the escalation and attempts to discredit me so people wont believe the truth continues,

This was posted in a mermaid group of people who are mostly non community, by Eden, who has me blocked, so I can't reply to it. lol So I'll reply here.



1) Not sure how this involves Eden in the slightest

2) I don't need to attack anyone, I posted facts, that's what I stick to

3) I do not attack Eden or Shannon, I have them both blocked. IN fact, I think the last time I significantly dealt with either of them, was when they were fighting with each other, here on the forum.

4) "I Bring you no drama... I bring you the truth" let me do that by posting something super dramatic about a situation I am not involved in, calling it positive though it tears another person down, block that person from replying, and spam it in groups

5) Receiving phone calls from mers I have bullied calling fat. FAT. Really? I tell people they can't be mers because they're fat? HEY MERNETWORK even if you're someone on here who HATES me, you know I have NEVER done that. IN fact, I interviewed plus size mers for my book and gave them a venue to share their advice to new mers, I encourage them in blogs and videos and on here. How can she even think anyone would believe that one??


So let's see here...

I was threatened with violence before I even typed a word on this subject

I had fake reviews left on my business page

I now have Eden making crazy claims against me and sharing them all over the internet that aren't even close to being believable, she could of at least tried for ones believable

I have had people here hurl insults at me and call me names despite my not having done any of those things.


Gee... I wonder why people choose "not to get involved" when standing up for the truth, involves people dedicating their every waking hour to organizing the harassment of you? Great job mermaid community.

[AniaR]

I also want to ask a serious question for people to consider.

What exactly do you think I have to gain, by subjecting myself to all of this horrible stuff, if I am not being truthful? (aside from the fact everything I said was VERIFIFED true) If I am out to ruin someone... why? These people aren't even in my country. We are not business competitors. Writing on the forum doesn't magically make me money or get me business or prestige. It doesn't win me any fans lol. What would I have to gain by calling other mermaids fat and saying they can't be mermaids?

I have ALWAYS spoken out about the truth, whether it was from mertailor issues early on in the days which made people more aware and put pressure on him to improve his business practice by keeping him accountable, or going after commentors on news article that make fun of my fellow mermaids or belittle the work we do, to advocating for people who have had their money stolen (Fish Butts, Stevi, Adam Martyn) and more. Everyone is happy to come to me with those issues when it affects them and ask for my support. But I don't *gain* anything from it. if anything, I lose things. You think it's fun being on bad terms with mertailor? lol It got me directly harassed for years.

In this instance, obviously I personally don't want my friend being taregtted and lied about. BUT I HAVE STOOD UP AGAINST DISHONEST REVIEWS BEFORE. I pretty much stand up against anythig I think is dishonest that I can prove.

So really, why in the hell would I allow myself to be raked over the coals and pulled through the mud, slandered everywhere, sent hate mail, threatened, harassed IF WHAT I AM SAYING ISN'T TRUE. There is literlly nothing for me to gain but a lot of stress and heart ache.

[Mermaid Lily_Pad]

Okay Raina, so if the video is not true, speaking Only of the tail itself, how exactly do you explain the tail falling apart? Let's take out rough treatment, since it is assumed it was treated with kid gloves and no one can prove otherwise. Let's view it for what it is without the verbiage to discredit anyone. If this was a tail by Any other maker, if the video was on mute since it's the words that are coming into question, and the only thing known about the tail was that it was a month old, was bought for 3K and had beem waited for, for over a year. how would people react? I know exactly how, because it has happened time and again with other tail makers.

You are right in the fact that we don't know what went on between the designer and the customer. The only people who do know are the designer and customer. This is judging clearly from a non-bias stand point on the tail alone. If it were any other creator, and the customer posted a video just showing the flaws, people would be horrified. We can only judge the "truth" by what is actually seen. Not here say, but physical proof. The tail is falling apart. That is the truth of the matter. The ankle fins are peeling off, the tail tips are splitting apart, the scales at the top are splitting in half, (Not falling off because this is not a scale by scale). The paint is unfinished and peeling off, etc etc. The tail is rough. Waiting even a year for that tail is not worth it, paying 3K is not worth it, heck I wouldn't pay 2K for it. It is flawed. It's that simple. Whether it was rushed, or painstakingly made, it doesn't change the fact that it was unfinished and is falling apart. It doesn't change the fact that the Mer now needs to buy another tail after only a month of use.

It's a shame that Raven has decided to step away. I don't think Anyone wanted to see that of her, not even the Mer who created the review, who praised Raven, in fact most of us, even those who have come here angry still praised Raven. She is a brilliant artist and that hasn't changed. I still greatly admire her work. Perhaps now that she is free to do her own thing some of the stress will ease up and she will be happier. I believe many people here are not angry with her at all, that most of their angst, as seen by Eden is with you. As I said earlier, you go on the attack, try to deflect by screaming about Lies! and people are going to defend.

As as for the Mer in question laughing in the video. I am really shocked that you don't recognize what the laughter is really about. It happens to me, and it even happens to Raven, when someone with anxiety is upset, angry, of hurt they have a tendency to laugh. Anyone who really watched the video would see that the laughter in it is not "funny haha" laughter. It's sadness, frustration, and stress, it's the laughter of someone who spent a lot of money for a dream but got handed a nightmare. You of all people should have recognized that.

Were there lies in the video, I don't think so. Not blatant lies at least. Did she wait long enough to get a reply from Raven about any fixes for her tail, considering how long it takes Raven to reply probably not. Did she get the bracer and the heart, not that I saw, but maybe it was supposed to be sent with the tops that never showed. Who knows. Certainly not us, only Raven and the Mer know that one. Lastly is ANYONE directly involved saying that Raven is a horrible person? Nope. In fact she was praised. This community has been one of the most frustrating communities I gave ever been a part of, but in a way it makes sense. When you are dealing with a Lot of money, time, and dreams you always want the absolute best, when you don't get what you were expecting, it can be devestating.

As for you getting threats and bad reviews, guess what? It goes both ways. The Mers on the other side of this fence were also getting threats, horrible emails, terrible private messages, etc. You were not the only one to get nailed to a wall over this. A whole lot if other Mers got the same treatment from your side of said fence. Just remember, the only Real Truth we have is that tail, and it's falling apart.

[TheSaltySiren]

It is such a shame this happened, I love Merbella's tails and wanted her to make me one in the future....Sucks when others ruin it for everyone.

[Sherielle]

So what needs to happen to resolve this? All I see now are people spinning their wheels on both sides.

[AniaR]

so if the video is not true, speaking Only of the tail itself, how exactly do you explain the tail falling apart? Let's take out rough treatment, since it is assumed it was treated with kid gloves and no one can prove otherwise

I actually haven't said anywhere anything about her tail condition. I can't know what was done to it, and neither can anyone else. I know I've seen photos of what it looked like being sent to her, and there's about a million reasons why it could be in the condition it is. My personal opinio is that if the person has been caught red handed lying about so many important details in their review, people shoudldn't just take them on face value that their tail fell apart, but that's my opinion. I think I've stated multiple times, that I have no interest in arguing over the SUBJECTIVE view of the state of her tail. I literally only stuck to facts and stuck to the things I KNEW to be lies.

Did she wait long enough to get a reply from Raven about any fixes for her tail, considering how long it takes Raven to reply probably not.

There was no contact to Raven at all. it wasn't about waiting. This was confirmed. No contact attempts were made, it's not a matter of not waiting long enough. First contact about the state of the tail happened AFTER the video, and the reviewer even confirmed "I wanted to talk about my concerns before making a review" even though at that point, they already made a review.

Lastly is ANYONE directly involved saying that Raven is a horrible person?

Actually, all those (now deleted) coments on the video that were screen shot (that Iona is in possession of) sure do. Maybe you didn't see them.

The Mers on the other side of this fence were also getting threats, horrible emails, terrible private messages, etc.

Actually, they didn't. I saw one mer did her usual (already proven) fake screen shots of texts etc (now deleted- but still documented) pretending there was harassment from an anon source. I mean, I know a lot of people questioned the validity of the claims even before I set my fingers to a keyboard, had their comments deleted, and were blocked (such as Amy Christine) and I guess that's considered harassment? It seems like anytime anyone even questions this reviewer, it's harassment!

Honestly, this is nothing but gas lighting and deflecting. I think you're a pretty smart person, and I think the more time you spend around these people, and the longer you look, the truth will come out.

And PS, literally everything I've said or done on this matter is posted here. I have no reason to privately harass anyone. What is that going to gain me? All people would do is screen shot and say OH LOOK AT WHAT RAINA DID and use it for ammo. Same with if I asked other people to do it. Or encouraged others to do it. It would literally be the biggest shot in my foot.

Holding people accountable, is not harassment, But all the stuff being done to me because people are mad about being held accountable? 100%. It's really really sad that you would even defend it that it goes both ways. And yet we're the ones called sheep! All this preaching about do your research, and when presented with FACTS so many people choose to ignore.

I personally feel this is just a group of people I have had issues with over the years, teaming up to use any excuse they can to go at me. And it's so funny because the only reason I even have "issues" with these group of people, is because I stopped being friends with 1 mermaid (who actually previously really did attack all of these mers as well documented on here)


You are literally grasping at every straw to justify this terrible treatment of me. it's sad.

[Mermaid Keena]

Soooòoo.... changing the subject because I dont know anyone involved = not my business 😊 I do hope it all turns around positive for everyone involved.

Is anyone else super excited to see what Raven is going to come up with now!? I know I am!! I hope I can squirrel away enough $$$ and THEN she posts a gorgeous pink creation that is my dream (and my size lol) AND I can grab it before anyone else sees hahaha!! 😆😆😆

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[Theta]

So what needs to happen to resolve this? All I see now are people spinning their wheels on both sides.

Give it a month. The kerfluffle involving the wider community will calm down and the two parties involved will handle it between themselves, or not. This is not the first time something like this has happened. And in the big scheme of things, this is nothing in comparison to some of the stuff that happened between client and tailmaker. (Remember the insanity of the Adam Martyn situation? Pepperidge Farm remembers.) I hope Raven and the client can sort it out. I hope that Raven takes some time off and recovers her equilibrium. Either way, the earth turns, we all move on.

[Blaze]

Is anyone else super excited to see what Raven is going to come up with now!? I know I am!! I hope I can squirrel away enough $$$ and THEN she posts a gorgeous pink creation that is my dream (and my size lol) AND I can grab it before anyone else sees hahaha!! 😆😆😆

I have long been wanting to get one of her gorgeous tops but I'm never fast enough if I am lucky enough for them to the the right colors and size.

[LouLouBelle]

Yikes...

I can honestly say I've never seen anything quite like this online before... Or when I was in high school... Or anywhere else, for that matter.

Having read through it all, I'm heartbroken for Raven. I get the impression she's had all the joy sucked right out of what was her dream job. Something like this has the ability to change how you feel about your work, with no way of repairing it. I'm not surprised she's quit doing custom work - I think I would have too. I just hope she's able to go back to enjoying tail making again now that she's not under so much pressure trying to please other people.

I haven't seen the video or any link to it, so I can't comment directly on the review itself. All I can go on is what everyone else has said so far.

I did see the unboxing video, though, and the mer in question seemed really happy with the tail, heart, bracer and hair clip. IF it's true that she claimed she didn't get them, then I know she's not being honest there because I've seen the video where she takes them out of the box...

If you have issues with something you've bought, then adding any amount of lies at all into a review isn't very bright, as it will discredit the whole thing.

If she didn't say that she didn't get them, then please someone correct me... I wouldn't mind a link to the video so I can see it for myself. As it stands, I'm looking at everyone that's posted here and feeling very wary of trusting what anyone says. All I know for sure is that every statement on here can't be true because there's so much contradiction.

And regardless of who said what and who's telling lies, it's NEVER ok to post threats or fake reviews to deliberately tarnish someone's reputation. Anyone responsible for that should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

This has definitely brought out the worst in a lot of people, and it's not pretty.


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[Sherielle]

Give it a month. The kerfluffle involving the wider community will calm down and the two parties involved will handle it between themselves, or not. This is not the first time something like this has happened. And in the big scheme of things, this is nothing in comparison to some of the stuff that happened between client and tailmaker. (Remember the insanity of the Adam Martyn situation? Pepperidge Farm remembers.) I hope Raven and the client can sort it out. I hope that Raven takes some time off and recovers her equilibrium. Either way, the earth turns, we all move on.

I hope Raven and the client sort it out too. I feel bad for Raven because I understand the tenuous balance that can happen when you create custom art. It's why I stopped doing it for a few years in my jewelry business. I also feel bad for the client. I think that she possibly went about this whole thing the wrong way. Whether she is lying or not, it's not our place to drag this on and on with speculation after speculation. I know there are facts presented. That's great. I just think we've reached the point here where we are beating a dead seahorse and let the business and the client resolve this privately.