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Thread: *VIDEO* The mercommunity and it's approach to mers of color and cultures.

  1. #101
    I don't believe telling someone they have privilege is racist. And yes I do realize that some people have privilege. People in the United States and other First and Second world countries have privilege. For instance whining about if this person should participate in THEIR own culture because they are "white skinned" while people in Third world countries worry about whether they will be able to feed their children that night, is privilege.
    "Would you like to know what racism is? Racism is the when the system and the society is set up so you are on the bottom based solely on your race. Racism is when because of your race you loose out on opportunities other races have or are given freely. Racism is being victimized no matter where you go because people will ALWAYS view you a certain way because of your race, and usually not a good way. Racism is having to fight your whole life and be 3x better than the white people to get HALF of what they do solely because your skin color holds you back. THAT is racism. Racism is NOT: getting your feelings hurt, facing prejudice, or being told you have privilege whether it is white, white passing or light skin privilege."
    How would you like to know what racism really is? Racism is 1. abeliefordoctrinethatinherentdifferencesamongthevarioushumanracialgroupsdetermineculturalorindividualachievement,usuallyinvolvingtheideathatone'sownraceissuperiorandhastherighttodominateothersorthataparticularracialgroupisinferiortotheothers.
    2. apolicy,systemofgovernment,etc.,baseduponorfosteringsuchadoctrine;discrimination.
    3. hatredorintoleranceofanotherraceorotherraces. (Which is what your post shows by the way)
    Or do you want a personal definition?
    Okay, racism is when you get bullied everyday because of your race or because you don't look 100% your race. It's when you can't fit in anywhere on the spectrum because people of both races tell you, you're nothing because you don't look 100% like either. It's when groups of people attack you every day after school with weapons because your name doesn't match your skin color. It's being afraid your children will have to go through the same things you did or worse because their skin color doesn't match their ethnicity.
    Its being dehumanized and told you don't matter because of your race or skin color. It's being told you have to eat outside with the dog and not at the "family table" because of your skin color, it's being told you can't sit on the furniture because of your skin color. It's being forced to clean the whole house on your hands and knees while the children of a different race get to gout outside and play everyday. It's being locked in your room with bars on the Windows because the "family" doesn't want to see your "white" face. It's being told you are ugly because of your race and you will amount to nothing.
    Its being dragged into a church full of one race and being glared at because you don't belong and having people talk about you because you don't belong their. It's being told that everything that happened means nothing and doesn't count because of your race. All the name calling all the abuse all of the beatings it doesn't matter because you look white so it's your fault for looking that way.

    THAT IS RACISM. That is only some of my experience with racism. So don't you tell me that I know nothing of racism.
    Last edited by drucilla; 07-19-2016 at 09:30 PM.

  2. #102
    Basically what you said:

  3. #103
    And you still didn't learn the difference between racism and prejudice. STILL.

  4. #104
    Yea just what I thought you would say. *eyeroll*
    It doesn't matter because it wasn't you or someone you knew. Just showing off your intolerance for other races and people's experiences.

  5. #105
    Prejudice against someone for their race is racism! How do you not understand that?

  6. #106
    Going to be civil and avoid responding to the blatant ignorant trolls in here (why do we still humor Echidna in these discussions, again...?), but I just wanted to come in here after reading Momo's amazing post and say:


  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by drucilla View Post
    Prejudice against someone for their race is racism! How do you not understand that?
    I haven't posted on MerNetwork in forever. Came back from the dead literally to just say NOPE to this specific post right here.

    NOPE.
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  8. #108
    Sigh..... Why do I even bother.
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  9. #109
    The biggest thing I honestly can't understand is how someone ALWAYS has to come onto a post specifically talking about race and somehow make it about them, like they get uncomfortable because the topic isn't focusing on them and the "racism" they faced (btw, just clicking on ONE of the links above would explain to you the difference between racism and prejudice, but because you won't click on it here's the break down, which I also stated above but fell on deaf ears: racism is systematic and INGRAINED IN SOCIETY. Prejudice is someone being mean to you. )

    Literally the only thing you did Drucilla was attempt to turn a subject about mers of color and the theft of cultures into a subject about you and why you have it worst than mers of color. basically you did this:


    Like, okay, people were mean to you because you were white in a community that wasn't, but that is not racism and you won't ever grasp racism until you accept that. You can go ANYWHERE else and not experience ANYTHING close to racism. If you read the first sentence in the quote from the article up above you would have noticed this line:
    but I could see that theirs was an experience I simply could not know.

    I pass for white, easily.
    Which you seem to also chosen to ignore because you wanted to start a "I'm more oppressed than you" war (Which by the way, I'm not even going to humor because it is very clear that you have no desire to even learn because you have avoided every single piece of literature I have posted to try and help you)

  10. #110
    Fuck this shit. I'll read this whole thread after my 2 year anniversary trip is over.
    The SeaGlass Siren

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by SeaGlass Siren View Post
    Fuck this shit. I'll read this whole thread after my 2 year anniversary trip is over.
    Don't stress yourself out, It honestly isn't even worth it, I'm not even sure why I keep trying tbh. Enjoy your trip away from all the mer-drama!

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    Pretty much impossible to teach people who are unwilling to learn

  13. #113
    Delusions are not equal to being an ass.

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    As night draws ever closer, there's a choice to be made--
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by AniaR View Post



    Pretty much impossible to teach people who are unwilling to learn


    Quote Originally Posted by drucilla View Post
    Yea just what I thought you would say. *eyeroll*
    It doesn't matter because it wasn't you or someone you knew. Just showing off your intolerance for other races and people's experiences.
    Quote Originally Posted by drucilla View Post
    Prejudice against someone for their race is racism! How do you not understand that?






  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Mermaid View Post
    Cultural Appropriation is a huge issue, I completely agree. And I completely agree that they shouldn't have cast a white person to play a black goddess. It's Old Hollywood all over again.

    What I am about to say is in no way lessening the fact that these decisions were wrong and should never have been made. I just feel there are some issues with calling certain situations out as cultural appropriation should be done so very carefully, which I know from personal experiences, so please, hear me out here:

    Where the line falls fuzzy for me is when you actually, genuinely come from a cultural background that is anything but what you look. Personally, my great Grandmother was, what people here know as, a half cast. She was half Indigenous Australian, half European Australian. Personally, I am as white as they get. My skin is pale. I burn easy, I don't tan, my hair is naturally blonde, and I have blue eyes. I use the palest of any make up brand you can find, because that's the colour I am. So many times I have been called out for cultural appropriation of Indigenous Australians, but it is in my blood. Just because I am freaking pale (seriously, I almost glow in the dark), should I not respect my cultural heritage in case people think it is cultural appropriation? Indigenous Australian hair styles included dreadlocks, but if I do that, I am called appropriator. If I paint my face in traditional ways, I am called appropriator. If I use traditional smoke ceremonies, I am called appropriator. But I am of that culture.
    My great grandfather was Irish, and my grandfather was too, but I don't have the accent because my mum didn't, so should I stop enjoying my family's history and showing my respect to them with Celtic knots and symbols, even though I was raised with a Grandfather that took pride in his family history and identity? Should I not have learned Irish Dancing, worn traditional dance dresses, and shared it with the world, simply because I am not labelled as Irish because of where I was born?

    I was raised with pride in my heritage, and I was raised with acceptance of other cultures, purely because I am from so many. If I share something from any of my cultures with someone, and they go away with an understanding and can use it in their every day life to help them get through this world, I don't mind. Again, when things are done ignorantly like they were with Hannah in this case, I think it is all sorts of wrong. Use another name. Use a different mer icon. They all could have applied in this situation. Pick any of the hundreds of white mermaid legends to go with. Better yet, use a black mer to portray a black goddess! Give someone else a go at the spotlight for a damn minute.

    All I want anyone who has read this to take from what I have written is that not everyone you think is culturally appropriating, actually is. You don't know their family history, you don't know their identity. Please just be kind and ask nicely before you scream appropriation at them. It has happened to me, and it is hurtful. I am an open book. If you want to ask, just ask. Most people would want the same before they are called ignorant.

    This is the only relevant response I have to this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf9QBnPK6Yg

    If you look white, you still have the privileges of being/looking white, whether you are of another culture or not. Just like white people who claim they are a minority because they are 16% Cherokee.
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  16. #116
    You try because you give a shit about inclusion. And you damn well give so many shits about it because black people have been fighting for rights for the longest time and will always fight for people who deserve rights too.


    Echidna i see your response. When I get back from vacation I swear I'm going to respond to that insensitive comment as calmly as I fucking cannnnnnn
    The SeaGlass Siren

  17. #117
    Oh Hashem, I came into this convo so late.

    So, my two cents: Because I am physically white, I don't know anything about the struggles of being any other race. I want to know all I can about how to be respectful towards others, but I will never truly understand their struggle.

    In saying that: Rusalka said that tribal tattoos are considered cultural appropriation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sea_Angel_Rusalka View Post
    Tribal: It's a phrase that makes me want to cringe. It happened back that a certain fandom created "Tribalstuck." the outcry was great. It falls into the warpaint, head dress, marking type of things. If people are invited into it and to take a part of it, then there's a difference, but using "Tribal" as some weird marked aesthetic to just look "cool." It has a cultural meaning that very few are invited into.

    I think that in many cases, this is true. I might even be guilty of this. The tribal tattoo on my tail has no actual cultural significance to me, because I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY ANCESTRAL BACKGROUND. But for posterity's sake, I might as well put yellow Jewish stars on my tail, because that's how my family was identified from other "races". Or should I be tattooing numbers on my tail instead?

    Next tail design- I'm going to have tattoos of white bread all over my tail. At least that's not offensive.


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  19. #119
    It's sad to see this conversation digress this way I know how deeply personal this is, and how horrific the consequences of the misunderstandings in society, that lead to fear, that lead to anger, that lead to hate, that lead to deaths.
    Or what is most often the case, simply devalued.
    The only thing is that when the discussion gets so charged, people stop listening. Learning stops. Change stops. And while I generally tend to recoil from conversations that get this way, not this kind. This is probably one of the most important conversations on this forum or in this nation right now.
    Really- half of this argument is about semantics.
    Drucilla- are you hearing the difference in what you are talking about and the definition of racism? I want to step in and help, because the back and forth is so unnecessary. It's a definition thing. What they are talking about in terms of racism can't be confined to what's going on in a household, or in a specific school, etc. It's a massive, systematic, institutionalized system that holds a race in power generally speaking. What you suffered is horrible and traumatic and ugly and tragic abuse, and I am so, so sorry that happened to you. I can completely see why that would leave you very emotionally raw in this kind of conversation. I hope that as human beings we can look at each others suffering and unite against the hate that causes that kind of pain, instead of people who are hurting turning against each other.
    The reason they are saying that isn't racism is that while it is racially driven maltreatment, racism is what grooms an entire nation of people, like a whole constant brainwashing, a media promoting a Eurocentric beauty standard, an entire political system, people hiring and firing and arresting people, to believe is a hierarchy of worth. And even though abuse destroys a part of you at your core, the thing they are talking about here is that, if you walk down the street, while you carry that pain, the rest of the world sees you a certain way, and treats you accordingly.
    So the conversation at hand has GOT to focus on the things contributing to that piece. What is happening in this world and in the mermaid community that are perpetuating that system, and how we can actively dismantle it
    So- I am about to do what everyone is going to want to punch me in the face for, and...start a dreads thread.
    But it is because I think locks are their own conversation, and also because I think this thread needs to be relieved of that focus.
    Please send my hate mail to my personal messages, and refrain from it in comments lol


  20. #120
    With all due respect, that is a $3,400 *mistake* that nobody told me I was making.

    Secondly, there is decent difference between Native American Tribal and Celtic Tribal. Hell if I know if I'm either or nothing. My grandparents on both sides have been dead for a while, and the Nazis did a good job destroying all family records (at least on my mom's side). My dad's family disowned my family when I was little, so all I know is where my parents were born, where my mom's parents were born, and where I was born. That's it.

    Oppression comes in many different forms, and happens to TONS of different people of all shapes, sizes, colors, ethnicities, and yes, even religions. One person's pain can't really be compared to another's. It's not fair. None of this is.

    What we can agree on is this: Mers of color, mermen of all shapes and size, mers of varying cultures and religions, and mers of varying body types need to be represented in a respectful, tasteful manner.

    There is something special in everyone that deserves to be seen. No two mers are exactly the same, and from the public's standpoint, there seems to be an overwhelming amount of popularity amongst skinny, white, blonde merfolk- and nothing else. The world needs to know that there is so much diversity out there that needs to be seen, not just what the media thinks the general public wants.


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