(( The Drama Bubble Thread ))

[Ciriun]

I may not have seen it much since I'm still pretty new here, but everyone I've talked to has been helpful, supportive, and friendly even before I had any specific plans for a tail. I've also been getting tons of help with making my first fabric tail, which is super great since I've never sewn a garment of any sort before. Sure the silicone tails get the most attention and do seem to be the main focus of this forum, but I have never encountered someone on here who treated me any differently for my lack of owning one.

And to Jaffa and everyone else who has done fabric tail making threads, thank you! I almost didn't try making a tail, but all the helpful threads on here showing how it is done gave me hope that I would be able to pull it off as well. To someone like me, you guys are the experts and I am lucky to be able to learn from your experience.:hail:

[Princess Kae-Leah]

Dang it I had a whole post but my phone just deleted it. :(
Main point: more people read posts than actually respond, but that doesn't mean they're ignoring you. (Just look at the "views" to see that.) Being new and finding your niche in a forum is a sucky, uncomfortable feeling (I still feel it too). Just keep interacting and posting and you'll find your place.

Oh, and woohoo for versatile fabric tails! Yeah, there's a lot of excitement when someone gets a silicone tail, but remember what that represents-- often years of scrimping and saving, months of effort and overcoming setbacks if they're making their own, months on a waitlist if not. Let's be honest here: a silicone tail is a luxury item. So of course theyll get lots of attention, where a mer getting a Fin Fun tail won't get as much. That doesn't mean we don't recognize the excitement of any mer getting a new beautiful tail! (I'm a huge fan of Fin Fun, they do great work!) And I'd say the fabric tail making threads get nearly as much attention and appreciation as the silicone and sequin tail threads. I guess I'm saying don't mistake total post count for forum approval/disapproval?

ETA: yeah I think Galene and Pearlie said it better... ;)

Yeah definitely all good valid points to keep in mind :). It's an objective fact that silicone tails are MUCH more expensive and time-consuming to buy and make than fabric tails, which is mostly why they get more attention than inexpensive fabric tails. High-end silicone tails also tend to be one-of-a-kind, custom-made works of art, where companies like Fin Fun and MagicTail have set fabrics/designs to choose from, so since it's more of a mass-produced item, there's less excitement over "ooh what's it gonna look like!".
I also agree with your point that a lot more people read posts than actually respond. I've started threads myself that got more than fifty views and no responses. Sometimes people just aren't sure if they have anything relevant to say in response.

[MermaidBrynley]

So this isn't a rant, it's an apology. I posted the other day about feeling left out and ignored by other mers, and I think people got confused about what I was upset about. I wasn't upset about popularity, or the fact that I have a fabric tail (I LOVE my tail). It was more about wanting to build fun, loving, long lasting friendships with other mers and feeling frustrated when that want doesn't feel returned and sometimes it makes me wonder if it is because of the tail I have. And I think I got a little carried away with how I was feeling and I just posted about it. But the more I thought about it, and the more I thought about my insecurities and I saw the support I got from other mers, I completely changed perspective. And with that I wanted to say I am sorry to anyone I offended or if someone felt like what I said was directed at them, and most importantly for NOT being grateful for the mers who have helped me, conversed with me, offered help & guidance, and just been an awesome community member. So a super huge big thank you to everyone who has been kind to me and taken the time to be an awesome friend. Seriously, you guys are the best. I am sorry I didn't appreciate you all more. I plan to focus more on the positive than the negative. Thank you again for all the support. XoXo, Mermaid Brynley :mermaid kiss:

[Lotus the Mermaid]

Brynley, you have such a sweet heart! That's so mature of you to apologize for that and speak so humbly. Don't worry about it too much, though! We all have those days where we need to vent and that's exactly what this thread is for. I'm just glad you're feeling better and that you got the support and encouragement you needed!! :hug:

[Merman Arion]

Gotta love facebook groups and people asking dumb and uncomfortable questions such as "how do mermaids shit?"

Like, seriously?! Are we really going to have this conversation??

I can't.... :fallover:

[Mermaid Jaffa]

Gotta love facebook groups and people asking dumb and uncomfortable questions such as "how do mermaids shit?"

Like, seriously?! Are we really going to have this conversation??

I can't.... :fallover:

Behind a seaweed covered rock.

[Merman Dan]

Gotta love facebook groups and people asking dumb and uncomfortable questions such as "how do mermaids shit?"

Have them google "whale fecal plume". That ought to shut them up! ;)

[PearlieMae]

Have them google "whale fecal plume". That ought to shut them up! ;)

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We can always count on Dan! :yay:

[Mermaid Mystery]

http://nighttimenoodle.tumblr.com/post/124694996926/tchaikovskysgirlfriend-imgonnamakeachange I swear this made me so angry so I added my own comment

[Mermaid Lunette]

ooooh, what is even worse about that post is that the 6th picture from the top is not a mertailor, that is a merbella.

[Princess Kae-Leah]

Gotta love facebook groups and people asking dumb and uncomfortable questions such as "how do mermaids shit?"

Like, seriously?! Are we really going to have this conversation??

I can't.... :fallover:

The theory I came up with for a mermaid novel idea in the back of my head is that they secrete excess nutrients through their scales, sorta like sweating, which is kinda similar to what some reptiles do I think? It's pretty much invisible to the naked eye, but if you take a microscope to the water around them, you might see bacteria etc. I like this theory because it eliminates, no pun intended, the grossness and awkwardness of mers going to the bathroom like a fish or marine mammal or human without the total biological implausibility of not any kind of excretion. Plus I think I recall hearing some species of snake do something similar, so it's not entirely without biological precedence. In the Lost Voices trilogy of novels, mertails are described as looking like a cross between a fish's tail and a serpent, so it actually makes some sense that their body functions would be similar in some ways to reptiles

[Mer-Crazy]

ooooh, what is even worse about that post is that the 6th picture from the top is not a mertailor, that is a merbella.
They also used MerNation and MVD, the only one I didn't really see there was finfolk.

[Winged Mermaid]

So there's a chick on FB (in the mermaids are the best group) claiming to sell $100 silicone tails and of course people are all "I want one!". This is suuuuper sketchy.

(link if you're in the group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/184791848218253/permalink/989798657717564/))

For those that aren't here's a big screen cap of the whole post- http://i4.minus.com/ibouHqPm8O3KnL.jpg

[Celaeno]

So there's a chick on FB (in the mermaids are the best group) claiming to sell $100 silicone tails and of course people are all "I want one!". This is suuuuper sketchy.

(link if you're in the group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/184791848218253/permalink/989798657717564/))

For those that aren't here's a big screen cap of the whole post- http://i4.minus.com/ibouHqPm8O3KnL.jpg

Oy, this isn't going to end well...

[Winged Mermaid]

Nooope. Seems she has an answer to everything, like how she has gallons of silicone just laying around. And btw nothing in her profile or photos or anything even remotely suggests she's ever been involved in SPFX work, or even has a tail? Smells to high heaven of scam. I just hope people aren't idiots and fall for it. I mean yeah like I said in my post, would LOVE to be proved wrong but as it is I really doubt it.

[Celaeno]

Yeah, all of her posts and pics suggest she's a high schooler, no pics of tails or even just being around the water. Sadly, I can see a bunch of gullible teenagers throwing money at her believing they're going to get a Merbella-quality tail.

[Merman Arion]

I think humanity is doomed if people are that gullible to believe a silicone tail can be worth just as much as a fabric tail from Magictail and Finfun... :doh:

[Celaeno]

I can understand kids believing a "too good to be true" deal, but if she starts getting orders from adults...

[IllynReaver]

I just saw that post, ugh. It has scam written all over it.

[Merman Arion]

I think the fact that she is a scammer takes away the credibility of her post about people mocking her.

[PearlieMae]

You get what you pay for...and her profile says she worked for Mertailor, but she lives in Australia.

[AniaR]

I want to comment on the post so bad! lol. I sent it to mertailor I'm sure he'll set people straight whether she worked with him or not :p people usually sign clauses where they cant do that

[AniaR]

her comments are hilarious. the wait is 2 weeks folks! omg someone invite me to the damn group

[Theta]

$100 would almost be worth it just to see what she'd send you. Lordy.

[Yulia]

I played stupid in the thread to lure here into giving more info.

[Theobromine]

Why does her profile even say she lives in Australia? I looked at her profile and I think she pretty obviously doesn't...

[Mermaid Mystery]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/23/0ee32696629e0298ed442c6275a82858.jpg
I'm hoping she isn't serious

[Mermaid Freyja]

She's a pathological liar? :thinks:

[AniaR]

oh those are pretty much some of the worst tails on the market. yup pathological liar. COME ON SOMEONE LET ME IN THERE. lol

[PearlieMae]

Oh....I couldn't resist any longer...but y'all know me! :mermaid kiss:

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[Yulia]

I don't like calling out people making bad tails when they for example are new makers, or making better and better tails.

But they look like they're made of wax, and they never look better. I honestly don't get it.

[Winged Mermaid]

Raina I tried to add you, it says you're blocked from the group!

[Celaeno]

I'm picturing Raina bouncing around on her toes with her fists up like a boxer, ready to go. :D

[IllynReaver]

Oh....I couldn't resist any longer...but y'all know me! :mermaid kiss:

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oh my goodness that was you? haha. I'm just shaking my head at the whole post, cause that girl still won't produce a picture of her "tails".

[SeaGlass Siren]

CALL HER OUT! CALL HER OUT! CALL HER OUT!

[AniaR]

Bahaha I'm blocked from the group I've never been in. Fucking hilarious!!

[IllynReaver]

@SeaGlass, several people have called her out, but this girl has an answer for everything. She has an answer how she gets silicone so cheap, why she sells them so cheap etc. It's hilarious.

[SeaGlass Siren]

I repeat. call her out somemore la

[IllynReaver]

I think her post got deleted.

[AniaR]

I think this is the same group where a girl stole my photo and Mutiny went after them cuz I was blocked and couldnt lol


edit: if Stevi smith is a mod that's why, I have HIM blocked.

[Winged Mermaid]

Yup it looks like the post has been removed.

And yeah he is an admin.. twice. 11 admins and Steven Smith and Stevie Smith are 2 of them. I'm wanting to say he started the group, but I'm not sure.

[Merman Dylan]

Where can I go to complain about the weather keeping me from swimming in my tail? *Scratches head while smiling a bit embarrassed*

Sorry, the other thread is non mer related, and this issue is small, but I'm losing my mind. Since it involves me swimming in my tail, I think this is the right place for it. Me and my misguided nature. I hope I'm posting this in the right spot.

Oh, I read some of these post, and I want to say that some of you guys sound like the Extended Day Staff in Elementary After School care. Me and a close friend had a bit of a fight, and we said we wouldn't be friends anymore. The staff worked really hard to help us patch up the friendship because us being friends was just such a positive thing they had a hard time watching it fall apart. I have to admit. I almost gave up on believing in this community until I saw that someone was hoping for old friends to stop fighting and get along. I have no idea what the specifics are, but in my misguided opinion, friends need to stop fighting and act like the friends they are suppose to be.

Anyways, *scratches head and smiles* Is this a good thread to complain about the weather keeping me from swimming in my tail?

*Smiles real big and nervously waits for an answer*

[Mermaid Mystery]

I am absolutely DISGUSTED at the community's attitude towards Miley Cyrus. you don't have to like her but seriously? I have screenshots of some of the awful things I've seen but I can't find a way to blur out their names even though I'm so angry I want to expose them for their nasty behavior!

[Mermaid Riia]

I am absolutely DISGUSTED at the community's attitude towards Miley Cyrus. you don't have to like her but seriously? I have screenshots of some of the awful things I've seen but I can't find a way to blur out their names even though I'm so angry I want to expose them for their nasty behavior!

I SO agree with you! What is it with this public pool bitch stuff anyway? I agree stealing pictures, concepts and pure original ideas etc. being wrong, that is a whole different story and not looked upon nicely in any community or group.
But I thought we all were in the "mermaiding is for everyone and we are all equal" train? What the hell happened... We have all started as a "public pool bitches". Who are we to judge..

[mermaids-and-anchors]

If people are really being mean about Miley getting a tail, they need to step away from the mermaid community and go outside for a bit. Just because she's famous and the way the media portrays her doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a tail. Like what the fuck? Because I'm 100% extremely sure that every single person that has ever received a mermaid tail or borrow one to wear was probably super excited about it, just like she was.

[JuliaMermaid]

Its a finfun tail! :)

[Mer-Crazy]

Miley Cyrus got a mermaid tail?! I gotta go check this out :D Side note: I was born the exact same day as Miley, year and everything.

[Celaeno]

I am all for someone as high-profile as Miley to be publicly excited about mermaiding. If it becomes more mainstream, even temporarily, maybe more pools will allow fins and tails. Exclusivity is not what attracted me to the mer community.

[MermaidMichelle]

LEAVE MILEY ALONE!
(Sorry, someone had to say it!) :jester::fallover:

[SeaGlass Siren]

Not a huge fan of Miley but I dont hate her either.

Super love that she supports LGBT youth and promotes all kinds of love, super don't love how she makes kids kiss each other at her concerts and how she feels herself up on stage (maybe I am becoming a prude... .__. )
Loves that she embraces her "weirdness" and encourages others to do the same... don't love how she might be a hot mess...


This is complicated. ;__;

[SeaGlass Siren]

As for Miley getting a tail.. why NOT?

[IllynReaver]

I am all for someone as high-profile as Miley to be publicly excited about mermaiding. If it becomes more mainstream, even temporarily, maybe more pools will allow fins and tails. Exclusivity is not what attracted me to the mer community.

I'm hoping that with someone who's high profile can bring awareness to how fun mermaiding is, but also advocate how to stay safe in them like I've seen Raina and others talk to their local news to try and spread the word.


Not a huge fan of Miley but I dont hate her either.

Super love that she supports LGBT youth and promotes all kinds of love, super don't love how she makes kids kiss each other at her concerts and how she feels herself up on stage (maybe I am becoming a prude... .__. )
Loves that she embraces her "weirdness" and encourages others to do the same... don't love how she might be a hot mess...


This is complicated. ;__;
I agree, it doesn't matter how I personally feel about Miley everyone deserves a tail if they want one.

[Merman Dan]

Just because she's famous and the way the media portrays her doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a tail.

Though now I kinda want to see Billy Ray in a tail (with his mullet, of course). ;)

[Mermaid Mystery]

absolutely, Dan!

[Merman Dylan]

I say let her enjoy a tail if that's what she wants. Far be it for me to judge. I personally don't like how she's a total mess, but what can you?:confused:

P.S. I have to check this out. I remember when my sister watched her on the Disney Channel.

[Fun123joker]

eh i dont mind her that much.

tbh if you think about it. miley mermaid makes SO MUCH SENSE (when i was younger i use to love her disney show)

-lived and hanged out at the beach
- singer
- lives a double life
- keeps secret about identity
- rides skateboards (walking long distances is just so hard to get use too ya know)

[Princess Kae-Leah]

I'm not a big Miley fan either, but if she wants a tail, let her have one!! It's elitist to act like someone isn't worthy of a tail. I hope she enjoys it

[Merman Dylan]

I want everyone to have a chance to see this because this is a very important part of my personality that will probably take years for someone to figure out unless I just tell everyone. I'm also sharing this because a part of me still hasn't moved on from the drama between me and the groups. The rant isn't totally about merfolk, but I feel it concerns a very important part of me that I want everyone to understand in case something happens in the future. I'm sharing it area because I think this pertains to mer to mer related issues. I really want to let go of this whole mess as quickly as I can, and the only way I can think to help myself be a part of any groups is if I share this piece of me with everyone.

In middle school I was terribly bullied by a rumor that made me a social outcast, it caused the first girl I liked to turn her back to me, and I had awful nights where what everyone said about me triggered bipolar mood swings. A stupid rumor that first started in 4th grade because pollen or something made my nose run and/or I picked my nose. By sixth grade, the rumor transformed into a terrible monster that was more focused on how I looked and behaved. I couldn't even grab a tissue without getting a reaction from any of my classes when my nose began to run. You know what happened to the kid that started it all during the summer between 5th and 6th grade. His dad came home from the middle east, had a PTSD meltdown, took a machete to his wife and son, and he never made it to sixth grade. Can you imagine how that can make a kid feel the following year. He was the only person I ever truly felt anything negative toward. The only wish I would ever want to make is a chance to tell him I'm sorry I felt the way I did about him. This is 100% true, and I didn't make anything up. This is why 6th grade was such an important year to me. I want everyone to know that even when I get nasty I don't mean it. 6th grade was the school year I learned to accept people, and it's the year I stopped feeling malice towards others in my heart. That boy was the first and last person that I felt negativity towards in my heart. My Guinea Pig Shadow also died either the year after or during that year. She was the one that showed me how to accept others and love. She was the first to help me overcome my bipolar. She showed me that small acts of kindness can really help others. To this day, small acts of kindness can break through my bipolar. The only time I express any hatred toward anyone is when I'm in a mood swing, and I'm not thinking straight. Even then, I can feel out with gut instinct that I'm doing something wrong and try to fix things. I'm sharing this because some part of me is still having a hard time with the the way things went in the groups. I feel like it could be an issue with not knowing me very well or something. I also hope it helps you guys help me when I stop thinking clearly.

Rant finished.

I really do hope this helps you guys see a piece of me that might have been clouded over by my bipolar. I also hope this helps with my ability to start talking to other mers. I still feel like it would be easier if I knew a few mers forgave me for what I did, but I honestly don't believe those mers have it in them to take the time to work things out with someone they had a rough time with. It's clear to me based on how things were handled, and what's done is done. I want to offer a second chance to those who I never mended things with to mend the heart ache. I'm sure everyone has moved on, but a part of me hasn't. It hurts feeling this way. I hope you all understand. I really would like it to be sincere if at all. I don't see much point in forgiveness if it isn't sincere. I don't think pretty words will help me move forward.

[Merman Dylan]

I have many of these kinds of experiences that are easy for me to remember. I can share more in case anyone wants to listen or needs help understanding some more.

[MermaidMichelle]

Wow; it is very courageous of you to share this with us! I don't know much about the drama you may have had in the past, so I'm not sure what else to comment, save that I suspect that there is a connection between the kid starting that nasty rumour against you (a very similar one was directed against me in the 2nd Grade) and his (possibly; I don't know quite what he saw in the Mid-East) somewhat mentally-unstable father. To me you're another handsome merman whom I'm happy to have on the boards! :mermaid kiss:

[Mer-Crazy]

Okay, need to vent and I'm probably not gonna make any friends here, and I'm not usually one to start drama/ bitch and you're all probably going to realise who it's about but I'm not going to use any names, but here it goes:
IF I see one more god (excuse me) damn thread that is non-mermaid related seems to be created for the sole damn purpose of making me feel like I am an awful human being because I do the shit that 90% of the world does I am gonna scream! If I see one more vegetarian post telling me I should go vegetarian, I'm gonna shove a cheeseburger in their face because I do not insult a vegetarian's lifestyle by suggesting they should eat meat, so I expect the same courtesy in return. I get it, you don't eat meat, you're into this whole hippy lifestyle but I come here to get away from the real world and I am SICK of seeing how I should change my life style so that I can be a 'better person' on here and even though it may not be the intention of the thread it always makes me feel like I am a horrible person or something because of the way I am choosing to live my lifestyle.

*Deep breath*

Okay. I think I'm done now. I've added this person to my ignore list, because I just don't wanna see what they have to say anymore and I really hope that no one takes offence to anything I've said. I have no problem with the way anyone chooses to live their life, I try to support everyone's beliefs and choices and I was just sick of constantly seeing how wrong mine are. I get that this probably wasn't the intent, but when I see stuff all over the forum like 'eating meat is bad' 'wearing animal products is bad' 'eating animal products is bad' 'the fact that I use f#@king deodorant is bad!' I can't help but get really offended.

I hope everyone has a lovely rest of their day <3

[Princess Kae-Leah]

I feel I have become much less militant than I have in the past, thanks to the influence of my best friend Lisa. I've tried very hard to be polite, reasonable, and willing to compromise. I've never said anyone was a horrible person for not being a vegetarian. I've been supportive and fair to those like Raina for example who cannot become 100% vegetarian or vegan for health reasons. I've promoted easy compromise lifestyle changes like Meatless Mondays and sustainable seafood options, but even so, if someone posts "I'm sorry, but that's too hard for me to do" I'll be respectful and not put a gun to their head and force them to do it. If you don't like some threads I've started, I can't force anyone to read them. That's how I do my activism, I'll share facts by starting a thread if I feel like it or posting it on my mer-page but I know I can't force anyone to read it or follow it. My best friend Lisa, who is the world to me, is not vegetarian and doesn't care much about the environment and I've never forced my views on her. I know now how to take "no" for an answer.

[Princess Kae-Leah]

Ugh, my first drama since I started posting here again, and it was going so well too :(

[deepblue]

Don't worry hun, your posts are in the environmental area of the forum and on topic. Most of what is in there isn't directly related to mermaiding. You're not doing anything wrong, and just like anyone can ignore posts about things they're not into, people can ignore your threads if they don't want to think about what you're covering. If anyone feels bad based on what someone else says, they need to think about why. No one's forcing anyone to feel anything.

Really it's not a big deal and not at all your drama, kae-Leah. Not your aquatic circus, not your sea monkeys. ;)

And now I will swim away from this thread, because it's never been one of my favorites. I end up here out of curiosity and end up wondering why I just HAD to look, but this time I'm glad I did.

[Lotus the Mermaid]

Princess Kae-Leah, doing well doesn't mean never making a mistake! But even if it did, you're doing pretty well so far, in my opinion! Because I don't see that being drama. You have a big heart, and sometimes it's frustrating when people don't share that passion, I know, and personally experience that, too. It's actually really difficult for me to wrap my mind around. I sometimes think, "How can you not care about this thing that I care about? It's obviously important!" But even still, you have a lot of patience and it sounds to me like you're responding in all the right ways! Being frustrated is normal, though. Don't beat yourself up! :)

[Princess Kae-Leah]

I hate offending people. I try so hard to respect and accomodate everyone

[Mer-Crazy]

Like I said, it's nothing against anyone personally, I agree she's not doing anything wrong at all, I just try to escape reality a little when I come here and I'm quite happy with the way my life is at the moment, and it's easier for me to just ignore these threads, since I really only come here for the mermaids and nothing else. Kae-Leah I promise I don't harbor any negative feelings towards you personally, I'm sorry if my post may have upset you or anything and it's great to know you don't think I'm a horrible person because of my choices. I just needed a little vent because it was just one of those days where everywhere I turned people seemed to be trying to tell me to change <3

[Ciriun]

Kae-Leah, if I may offer some hopefully constructive criticism? I think part of the problem might be as simple as starting a lot of very similar threads in a short amount of time. I was also getting a little tired of checking for new posts and seeing 3-5 threads all about ways to be environmentally friendly or eat more vegetarian foods. Right now the first 8 threads in the Environmentalism and Conservation section are yours, and most of them were posted the same day. You have some helpful information, it's just getting a little spammy is all.

[AniaR]

Mer crazy did the right thing by self regulating and adding to ignore list. Kl is a mermaid who puts her posting where her mouth is which is Eco content. Many mers claim to be about Eco awareness but few practice it like kl.

No one is forced to read any threads, and kl put a lot of work into hers so people might find them helpful. Same way I do with my resources. I've enjoyed them and I actually like seeing them because I do think they're relevant more so than a lot of stuff on here. I think more than half ofmernetwork for at least a year has been non mermaid posts. So I just don't read what doesn't interest me.

I also know kl has worked hard to self regulate and find her place in the community. I see her make great efforts to NOT make people feel bad. In fact I think other members are intentionally being very black and white and guilt inducing, while kl makes an effort to empathise ( which is a challenge for someone on the autism spectrum but she manages anyway)

[AniaR]

I tend to post a flood in a day too but no one complains lol

[TritonsGuard]

Your doing fine. You always have been respectful with me, even though I may have been blunt sometimes. There are others that have yet to learn that, and they are everywhere and in for every cause (including the ones I'm for). The fact that you are willing to engage in polite conversation (and in my opinion, you have proven that), shows you are reasonable.

[Princess Kae-Leah]

Thank you Raina!!! :thumbs-up::hug:

MerCrazy did show more class and decency in the end than some folks I've disagreed with in the past, as she saw that I was hurt by her post and assured me it's not personal, which is WAY more than some have done in the past.

[Ciriun]

Raina, it's more the redundancy that I was trying to point out. It could be that I'm still getting used to the culture of this forum, but what I'm used to seeing is people updating existing threads with new content if they have something to add on the same subject. And it isn't personal, I'll admit there are a couple of other people on here that I've wanted to squish their heads with my fingers because they have posted things that fit perfectly with threads they already started on new ones repeatedly.

Also, out of curiosity, is there any way to tell if someone has blocked you on this forum?

[Madison MerFaerie]

Kae Leah, I hope that I'm not the reason for your post, but if so, I'm sorry! I didn't mean to upset you at all. You clearly put your money where your mouth is on environmental issues, and you always engage in polite discussion. I've seen some rudeness from other members who share a lot of your same beliefs, so I definitely take note of your kindness and understanding that people can make slow gradual changes. I've even incorporated some of your ideas into my routine this week!

If you're upset over my post, I was simply discussing a quiz format (which can be perceived as judgmental by some when the answers ranked in a "great" "ok" and "poor" fashion), and harkening it back to your other post regarding changing the image of animal rights activists. I wasn't offended at all, but just wanted to point out that the perception of being judged can be alienating and contribute to a negative image of activists in general. I meant it constructively only.

[Princess Kae-Leah]

No, you've been fine, Madison. :) It was someone else who posted in here, so I was just posting in response to them

[Madison MerFaerie]

*Sigh of relief* I would hate to think that I've upset you!

I am still sorry that you are feeling upset over something/someone, though. I hope you can find comfort in the fact that many of the recent posters to this thread (myself included) think that you are awesome, and a great contributor to group discussion.

[Ashe]

I tend to post a flood in a day too but no one complains lol
That's true, but it's likely because the majority of your posts actually have to do with the mer community. People bring up KL's posts because the majority of her environmental posts don't have anything to do with the community or even the ocean itself.

Kae-Leah I'm going to be honest here in saying that when I logged on last night and saw all of your conservation posts, I thought that a robot got through and started spamming environmental ads.

A little bit of a side rant kinda related to this; I'm kinda getting frustrated because of the over abundance of off-topic threads on here. Yes, we have a category for these threads but today there was an area on the feed where there were more off topic threads than mermaid threads. I've seen new threads posted with information that would have fit appropriately in existing threads and I've seen tons of threads discussing topics that have already been covered in other threads within the past week or two.

I dunno, it's just getting frustrating when I want to come on here to talk about the mer community but all I see is random stuff about religious communities or environmental communities or anything like that (I'm not saying I'm some saint cause I've posted things like this in the past but not anymore). I mean, there are other forums you can go on to if you want to talk about religion or video games or political views. A little thread in the correct location can be posted if need be, but we don't need multiple off topic threads for the same subject.

[Echidna]

Kalani, I see where you are coming from, but:

Kae-leah was absent from MN for a long time, and I guess now that she's back, she is full of posting enthusiasm ;)
I made loads of topics all at once when I joined.

Besides, environment has its very own sub-section.
No one forces you to read the topics in it if they hold no interest for you.

So cut her some slack.
Environmental issues are important and deserve attention.
No need to call someone with a passion a spamming bot.

[Ashe]

Aye I never called her a bot. That's putting words into my mouth. When I first saw the posts I thought that they were bot posts.

Also, my post wasn't just about her. There have just been an abundance of off-topic threads that aren't necessarily needed. I've seen people create new threads to bitch about random things when we have a whole mega thread to do that. Same with personal victories that aren't related to the mer community. I just feel that it is clogging up the forum and good posts are getting lost.

Yes, environmental issues are very important. I truly do believe so. I have made a few threads concerning ocean safety and tips in the past. But for environmental posts that are not about the ocean and marine conservation, maybe they could have their own mega thread.

Anyways, that is just my opinion. I'm not a fan of having to scroll though heaps of posts to try and find something mer related.

[Ashe]

Aright, reading through my last two posts I can see how to some I may have come off as offensive or bitter.
It wasn't directed towards Kae Leah, and I don't hate her or what she posts. I was actually very excited to see Kae Leah back and swimming around again and welcomed her.

My rant was about the over abundance of off topic threads in general, not any specific mer.
In any case, I won't share any more on the subject. Hugs to all :)

[Echidna]

Sorry. Maybe I phrased that a bit awkwardly.

While there are loads of off-topic threads, they all seem to be in the off-topic section, so I don't have a hard time to avoid them.

[Ciriun]

Basically what Kalani said. I wasn't trying to be mean or stifle Kae-Leah, I only intended to offer a suggestion that might help prevent future friction between her and others who don't share her passion.

[Princess Kae-Leah]

Not sure if it's true that most of the threads I started are unrelated to the ocean. The sustainable seafood thread certainly is. Many of reasons for The 7 Things That Make A Big Difference For The Environment are related to the ocean.

[Mermaid Momo]

Kae-Leah, I don't have any problem with your threads, I even participated in one (but I haven't been online in a while so I haven't seen much else you've posted) and if I don't have any interest in changing my diet or anything I tend to avoid those topics and only go to ones I can actually put some input into (like where you were asking what can be done to make activists less aggressive)

Though you aren't the problem with shoving your ideas down someone's throat and telling them they're horrible people for eating meat, killing animals for food or other resources, etc, there is another member here who could learn a few things from you. (I believe I even remember you telling said member that they were being a bit aggressive when talking to other members about their diets, their choice to hunt, etc. which I really admire because while the two of you share the same thoughts on animals, you don't force it down someone's throats or make them feel like horrible people for not choosing the same lifestyle you have and you told this other member that too.) so I can see where she's coming from when she says she's tired of the posts (I'm mostly tired of going into your posts where there are nice discussions then suddenly a member says "if you hunt, you're evil, x culture is evil because they hunt, etc,etc". your posts are amazing, just some of the people they bring out aren't so amazing)

[Merman Dylan]

Kae-Leah, keep doing what you are doing. I think I can learn something from you. I've never felt like I handle myself wrong on internet social media like some have said I do. I also don't feel like I need to learn how to handle myself better very much. People will say or do things that are upsetting, and that's just a part of life. Living with Bipolar and ADHD, I know that I'm going to make mistakes that will come across as really bad. To a greater extent, that's out of my control, and I don't think words like chill out, shut up, go to your room, or any other action that isolates me is the answer. It has never worked in the past and it will never work in the future. I was able to regain control of myself because I woke up one morning snapped out of the Bipolar. My problem has been that when I needed help or tried for forgiveness. I got banned, blocked, and shoved to the corner instead of someone taking the time to help me. I feel like if I spoke my mind and gave people more time to know me before that things would be different.

Kae-Leah seems to be very good at expressing herself in a way that involves less friction. The other day at Shark-Con. I couldn't even approach the other mers there because alone I was too shy. I keep too much to myself, and it takes along time for people to get to know me. Maybe if I can be more confident like Kl and share my experiences. People might get know me better faster. I've only been a part of this community since late April of this year. The funny thing is, most of the time of been apart of this community, my bipolar was acting up. Let's see, end of April, May, June, and July I've been a full merman. For the entire month of June and the beginning of July, I was under a great deal of stress in all corners of my life, and bipolar was in control. During half the time people have had the chance to get to know me, I was my worst possible self. I just keep thinking that I could've done things differently, maybe I wouldn't be upset with anyone. Maybe this drama would never have happened. What if I was more open to others? Would things turn out differently? Kea-Leah, I'm going to try and work hard like you did to grow from this instead of letting it drag me down. Some might never forgive me for how I acted. I'm sure it would be easier for them to simply shut me out, but I've forgiven them. I just don't want to socialize with someone that can offer forgiveness in return. I can't be friends with someone that thinks banning and blocking right after someone asks for forgiveness after forgiving is right. I just have a hard time wanting to socialize without this memory surfacing. What can you do, right?

I don't know? Maybe I'm just ranting some more. Maybe I'm not worth the time.

[AniaR]

but it's likely because the majority of your posts actually have to do with the mer community.

A lot of us think conservationism actually has to do with the community. I mean, that's what my mermaid job does. There's a reason why we created that section after all. That's what hannah frasrer does

Honestly (and mer crazy I mean no disrespect to you because I love you this is something that has been bugging me for a really long time in the community as a whole so please believe when I say it's not personal) I am just finding our community SUPER COMPLAINY AND I WANT THINGS THIS WAY ONLY right now. I don't know what it is but I've noticed our forum goes through phases. And that is the latest trend and I am actually kinda annoyed that people are being so hard on KL because I've been here since the start and I don't see her doing anything wrong currently. If it annoys you, don't pay attention. 75% of the posts on here annoy me. Make me roll my eyes. Make me not want to post. and make me feel bad. And a lot of people feel that way, it's why they dont use mernetwork. If you arent interested, don't read it. Don't reply. self regulate. dont make someone feel shitty cuz you dont get their interest.

I've seen KL since she started here and when you guys say this stuff to her she takes it seriously and it makes her feel excluded sometimes. She wants a community like all of us. How can so many of you complain the community feel soo clique and not inclusive when someone is trying to contribute something valuable and we sit here in the drama thread and pick it apart? I know for a fact KL takes it seriously and works very hard on herself which is something not many can say. She wants to be balanced and participate but she's not a professional mer, she doesn't swim, she doesn't make tails. This is where KL fits in.

Honestly, I am glad to see that part of the site getting utilized. With so many claiming to care about the environment how nice is it to have someone come up with tangible ways we can make small changes in our lives that will make a big change in the long run? People complain about this stuff and KL is sitting here doing all this work and giving ya'll an answer. She's also trying to contribute to the community. And she's being flexible and meeting people where we are.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE PRAISING THIS STUFF it's not drama!

[AniaR]

and ps momo I just wanna follow you around and like every comment you make lol

[Ciriun]

To both Raina and Kae-Leah, I'm genuinely sorry if my suggestion was out of line. It was an attempt at a compromise by someone who is new and still getting used to how things work here. I really did not mean to offend or upset, I thought I was offering a way to help defuse the tension that would keep everyone happy.

[AniaR]

it's fine. I think it's pretty clear people are just getting annoyed lately with off topic posting. I just disagree that it's off topic is all ;) I mean hell I am very annoyed lol

[Ashe]

And I'll say once more that my post wasn't directed towards Kae Leah. I think she's wonderful!
I think that the main reason why I included 'environmentalism' in my list of off topic things was simply because I'm still fired up from the militant activists shoving things down my throat.

When I saw all of her informative posts, I began to feel extremely guilty that I'm not all gung-ho about animal activism. I let it get the best of me, I admit.
Cause of this, I just got a little ticked. At first I was mad at myself but then took it out on the thread.

Other than that, people wondered why Kae Leah is sometimes excluded or picked on. Well, I decided maybe this was the issue and it could be addressed if she wanted it to. I've seen a lot of people complain about these environmental posts.

Personally, I don't mind her environmental posts much. I like reading through some. That's just not the case with others. No one did anything wrong but myself.

I apologize for offending anyone.

Kae Leah, I think you are a doll and I was one of the first to welcome you back and congratulate you on finding such an amazing friend in Lisa. Over text, no one can really understand the tone of voice and exactly what message one is trying to get across. I never meant to offend you and in my eyes was trying to offer constructive help. Of course, it didn't work out quite well ;)

That covers the Kae Leah miscommunication, but I still do agree that there has been a lot of off topic threads that can easily be added into an existing thread :P

[AniaR]

good job everyone!

[Lotus the Mermaid]

I sometimes am afraid of speaking out on these issues because of how heated it gets. :'>

[Mermaid Kelda]

Do mods have the ability to merge threads? Is that something we do here? I've never been sure. But I always feel like that would make things a lot less cluttered and less confusing when trying to find posts on one topic.

[SeaGlass Siren]

Mods can merge threads yes.


also, I would've said KUMBAYA and added two cents but it looks like this all got resolved!

[AniaR]

You can report redundant threads and ask a mod to merge them.

[Merman Dylan]

How do I unsubscribe from this thread? I'm done trying to vent anything, and even though I would normally want to offer support to those who need it, these kinds of topics aren't for me. I can't swim around and have fun telling and playing a few jokes like I would want bto. Can someone help me?

[Celaeno]

In the upper right corner of the page, click "Settings", then on the left side of the page about halfway down the sidebar you should see "Subscriptions", click on that and it'll give you a list of everything you're subscribed to and you can delete/manage notifications for them all.

[Mermaid Mystery]

okay, I JUST saw this but has Mertailor SERIOUSLY raised the price of the basic silicone tails from $530 to $595????? it's been less than 2 years since I bought mine, did he think that the new scales were worth $60? what the hell

[Yulia]

Probably more timeconsuming.

[Mermaid Lilium]

okay, I JUST saw this but has Mertailor SERIOUSLY raised the price of the basic silicone tails from $530 to $595????? it's been less than 2 years since I bought mine, did he think that the new scales were worth $60? what the hell
Not that I want to jump to defend Eric but might be suppliers raised prices. Plus: Inflation.

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[Inkling]

okay, I JUST saw this but has Mertailor SERIOUSLY raised the price of the basic silicone tails from $530 to $595????? it's been less than 2 years since I bought mine, did he think that the new scales were worth $60? what the hell

Even then, $530-$595 is not that much of a jump. Prices are affected by many things.

[PearlieMae]

A $65 price raise from two years ago is a modest increase. Silicone has gone up, not to mention the cost casting materials, and shipping costs remain high because shippers buy their fuel in bulk at set prices, so even if the cost of gas has dropped recently for consumers, jet fuel and diesel for shipping companies were probably brokered at a rate higher than what they are now.

So a what, 12% increase over two years? That's not much at all, whatever the reason.

[AniaR]

I come to the drama thread but then all I do is end up watching pearlie's gif over and over...

[Merman Arion]

I agree with everyone else above. It seems like a normal increase on the price to me.

[PearlieMae]

I come to the drama thread but then all I do is end up watching pearlie's gif over and over...

Hahaha! It's that flash of light through the fluke, isn't it?

When are you adding an avatar/signature gif??? Heaven knows you have enough stellar material now!

[AniaR]

I took all my stuff off for reasons that will be revealed in the upcoming months and make total sense :D

[Mermaid Mystery]

in that case it's totally understandable. I don't pay much attention to the cost of materials. you all have valuable points that I didn't think of.

[Mermaid Mystery]

didn't know where to post this but I don't think that's how you're supposed to wear it lolhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/bf8404c70de812f69f3cf8179a108c7d.jpg

[Mermaid Jaffa]

didn't know where to post this but I don't think that's how you're supposed to wear it lolhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/bf8404c70de812f69f3cf8179a108c7d.jpg
Well at least we know he uses quality materials for those tails.

[Princess Pearl]

didn't know where to post this but I don't think that's how you're supposed to wear it lolhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/bf8404c70de812f69f3cf8179a108c7d.jpg
Why not? Looks like she got it made extra long, because the scales aren't stretched out of shape.

[Seraphina Suds]

What's wrong with wearing it like that? It looks completely fine and the person is probably more comfortable that way. Pearlie has a connected/long tail too and it looks fab.

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[PearlieMae]

didn't know where to post this but I don't think that's how you're supposed to wear it lolhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/bf8404c70de812f69f3cf8179a108c7d.jpg

Some of us aren't comfortable showing our middles, for lots of reasons. Even the new Chicken of the Sea mermaid has a full suit!

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PS: Thank you, Seraphina!

[Echidna]

I prefer long pieces too, and photographers used to reverse-photoshop me :lol:

One, long pieces look more snakey;
two, you don't have to worry about wardrobe malfunctions when doing tricks.

Number one synchro rule: wear a one-piece!

[SeaGlass Siren]

HEYHEY lets not be a public pool bitch and hate on one pieces :p those fly too.

[PearlieMae]

My one piece rocks! And I never worry about gapping, or tops slipping off...I don't even need shells, nets or other embellishments if I don't want them! :D

[Mermaid Mystery]

oh trust me I just thought she was stretching it out a bit because I didn't think Eric would extend a piece like that! I love one piece tails haha. it just made me giggle the first time I saw it, it's a cool idea to make longer fabric tails like that and I've seen some ideas that I love. I totally understand not wanting to show your middle. it just seemed silly to me because Eric makes tops for the Eco tails (I don't know much about these tails sorry haha) and it looks like it would be more practical with straps.

[AniaR]

IT'S A MERMAID ONESIE!!! hehe I love it

[PearlieMae]

Wearing a mermaid onsie does NOT make one fishier than thou.

;)

[Madison MerFaerie]

I have a couple of the Mertailor eco tails and they are long! Not quite to the extent of the photo that was posted, but much longer than I originally expected. Since it's not custom work they have to do their best with the sizes that they offer. They want to be able to fit a huge variety of body types and there are only like 4 sizes to choose from; imagine the difficulty in doing so! I'm short, but I have wide hips and a big booty, so I had to get a size that fits the tushie and that meant getting a size that was made for a wider AND taller person. Mine comes up to my high waist, which I actually love! It's retro and fabulous in my opinion.

[PhaylennMurúch]

I can pull my finfun tail up above my breasts. I'm not gonna because those things have minds of their own so if I tried swimming like that I'd get smacked in the face.

I'm personally a fan of the longer line rather than the tail to the hips and random scales on the chest look. As into fantasy and mayhem as I am, I just can't bring myself to be into it.

[Yulia]

So... When I first joined Mernetwork two years ago I joined a competition by an upandcoming tailmaker for her first silicone tail.
I applied and won.

There was a whole lot a drama and my tail was never completed, and 60$~ were never seen again that I payed for a monofin.
The tailmaker disappeared and never answered my emails for a long long time, but then I got a PM a month ago that said this:


"http://mernetwork.com/index/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by YuliaI can see that you have been online.
Care to explain what happened last year?



I was very depressed by Raina saying mean things to me online and had to take anti depressant medicine. I am very sorry about the tail situation. I honestly believe that Raina promotes only Merbellas and did not want to see me succeed. I worked very hard on your tail and Chris' tail and she said only mean things about all my work so I gave up."

[Mermaid Mystery]

pic is broken :/

[Yulia]

Fixed it.

[Echidna]

Yea, that's pretty much what I thought.

Still, would have been nice if she had been able to reimburse Yulia (or sent her something in return), seeing as the drama wasn't Yulia's fault.

Also, being an active member of MN isn't a requirement to succeed as a mer, a tailmaker or anything.
Magictail makes quite a business, and I don't think they even have an account here.

[Yulia]

Yeah, I understand being depressed and having a hard time as a new tailmaker, but it sounds like she's blaming everything on Raina. :P

[PearlieMae]

:eye twitch:

She could at least send you back your sixty bucks.

[Celaeno]

Yeah, she's taking zero personal responsibility. That's a very immature response. "So-and-so picked on me, so I took my toys and went home." I say this as someone who has been on anti-depressants for years. I understand what it's like when depression has a hold of you, it is really hard to be motivated to finish things. However, it's been a year. She has a moral obligation to refund you the money you sent her.

[AniaR]

So I thought this was about another member who did the same thing and made a rant about that.

In regards to this post: I first person watched the tail fall apart and someone get bloodied by pins in the tail. When she accused people of lying about that, I spoke up in support of the people involved because I witnessed it and apparently people couldn't take the word of people involved and their photos.

Take responsibility for your own actions. Done being people scapegoat

[Mermaid Jaffa]

Here I am!!! Chicken of the Sea!

Fyi, there's nothing wrong with a full fish suit from shoulders to tail. Its my take on the classical two piece swimsuit...

[PearlieMae]

So I thought this was about another member who did the same thing and made a rant about that.

In regards to this post: I first person watched the tail fall apart and someone get bloodied by pins in the tail. When she accused people of lying about that, I spoke up in support of the people involved because I witnessed it and apparently people couldn't take the word of people involved and their photos.

Take responsibility for your own actions. Done being people scapegoat

But EVERYTHING is your fault, Raina! ;)

You know what? I am happy to leave all this behind. I'm glad it was only $60 and not $600 or $6000.

You know what they say, if you loan a friend twenty bucks and never see them or the money again, it was probably worth it.

[SeaGlass Siren]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a1/dd/1a/a1dd1a8aae7fc6fe441980a844ac55fe.jpg

:P

[MermaidMichelle]

Hello Jaffa! You came out of the (deep) blue but I am happy to have you brighten up this thread! :mermaid kiss: :rainbow:

That goes for Pearlie (lol at your comment) and SeaGlass Siren (lol at your Bug's Life​ gif) too!

[Merman Arion]

After a recente debate about someone who needed help and advices for her new tail : http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?11757-Questions-on-my-Mertailor-tail

Eric aka Mertailor just released this post a few minutes ago on Facebook :

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If some hoped that hospitalization could change him or give him a bit of perspective, guess not..

[AniaR]

actually. I really feel like the community is over Eric. lol no one cares that much bro, we just don't want you scamming people

[PearlieMae]

Is the irony of having a Gatsby gif evident to everyone?

Just sayin'

:eye twitch:

[Mermaid Kate Silverfin]

Gah, I really wish America had the same consumer protection as Australia... Even if we buy from overseas, if the product is faulty, not as described etc, you are entitled to a refund or replacement, regardless of the individual company policy. If they ship the product to Aus, you have to follow these laws. It makes me so mad seeing people get scammed :(

[Merenneito Nerissa]

That's just so irritating what Eric does!! He sends a bad product, customer asks for a refund or even something, he blames the customer, customer gets angry and goes public and then Eric does this, complains to his huge amount of fans how his customers are unfair and he is just an innocent small boy who just wants to make everyone happy, almost charity-like, or sends out some smart-ass memes... :headwall:

So frustrating!!

[Echidna]

Is the irony of having a Gatsby gif evident to everyone?

yep. Cringeworthy.

[PearlieMae]

yep. Cringeworthy.

I am so glad you got that!

[AniaR]

he loves when we talk about him here though, lol. He really honestly loves the attention good or bad.

[PhaylennMurúch]

I personally love that Matty is doing a tail urgent care clinic and the pic is of him laying on top of 5 mertailor tails

[SeaMansa]

Mertailor is a real mer-prick isn't he. Glad I decided to have Mernation do my tail.
Once I am all saved up and stable, of course. Seriously, what the hell is stuck up his gills.

[Mermaid Lilium]

he loves when we talk about him here though, lol. He really honestly loves the attention good or bad.
Just shows how pathetic he is if I'm honest

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[Mermaid Mystery]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/8943128ff51ecb6a21ff723afaeed2f5.jpg these look familiar....

[Mermaid Mystery]

just to clarify, I love the idea, the scales just remind me too much of the finfolk scaleshttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/e7d1c53691f4492551169555530c7def.jpg scales don't seem like a big deal but i'd just like to point this out

[Mermaid Momo]

tbh, the quality of those scales aren't even there. I've seen members on this forum making silicone tails for the first time sculpt better scales (and what I mean by better is that the sculpts are more detailed, clearer and neater when cast, the detail in his cast just melts away imo)

[Mermaid Kate Silverfin]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/8943128ff51ecb6a21ff723afaeed2f5.jpg these look familiar....
What on earth is he doing to his silicone? There should not be that many bubbles, that's insane!

[Keiris]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/8943128ff51ecb6a21ff723afaeed2f5.jpg these look familiar....

THAT'S his "new" idea???!!! Finfolk scales?????

[Mermaid Wesley]

I get that they are after his original design but now that finfolk does them.. these just dont stack up!

[Starfrit]

Overall, I don't mind the look of the sculpts themselves too much; I like the rugged, beat-up look that the edges have.

But the details just don't seem to show through once the silicone is cast, which is something I've noticed a lot of in Eric's tails— the details he puts into the sculpts just don't translate well to the silicone, somehow. That mixed with the fact that even more details are gonna be lost once it's slathered in shoddy paintwork...

Ugh. :/ I'm too tired to even start with the FinFolk thing, but I just gotta say... Eric's business has managed to go even further downhill so much since Matty left (Side note: kinda loving that shade Matt's throwing with that picture of all the MerTailor tails he's repairing) that I'm actually pretty disappointed. I've tried to be cautiously optimistic about him, but then he does things like sic his mom on his customers to blame them for his screwups, and apparently forget to put a monofin in a tail??? Like what is even going on, Eric.

I've been wary/apathetic of him for ages now but I still have moments of clinging on to this weird sense of optimism that he could do so much awesome stuff if he'd just get over himself and pull his head out of his blowhole once in a while. But it's like he doesn't even care once he's got the money in his bank account. Not that I'm that shocked, mind...

[Merenneito Nerissa]

Tieri, I so agree with everything u said :clap:

[AniaR]

"should we" and "will we" is basically the same thing LOL. No Eric, the question is, will customers actually get the same quality tail as whatever you make for yourself to debut the scales lol

[PearlieMae]

I think maybe he's coming to the realization that his fifteen minutes in the spotlight are up. He hasn't done enough, or has been diligent enough with his customer service, to remain top of the heap of tailmakers. Oh sure, he knows how to spin his image and build a following, but his downfall is that he's all puffery and no substance. When Matt was collaborating, the tails and fluke sculpts were starting to really blow me away, but now...well, he just seems to be scrambling. Shoddy work on expensive tails and cranking out piles of 'eco-tails'. (That's 'eco' as in economy, not ecology.) I am not surprised. And nowadays, there are many incredible artists with established followings and lots of talented newcomers with different ideas to shake things up. He's no longer the big fish in a little pond.

You know that feeling when you catch a great wave body surfing, and the water zooms you along? And then there's that feeling that the wave has rushed along without you because you couldn't stay in the curl? I think I know where he is and no amount of paddling is going to get him back into that wave.

My advice? Time to swim back out and see if you can catch another and do the best you can to stay in the sweet spot...but there's a bunch of us out there surfing, too, so mind your manners!

:shark:

[Mermaid Mystery]

Tieri and Pearlie, you guys are so spot on.

[stellar lee]

It will be very interesting to see if Matt can ride the niche market of dissatisfied customers inadvertently created by Eric. It certainly is an interesting way of creating a client base. If I decide to go the silicone route in the future, Merrow Fins may be exactly where I take my business. :)

[PearlieMae]

Matt is talented enough to make it on his own, even without cleaning up after Eric...but I'll bet you dollars to donuts he's going to be one of the priciest tailmakers out there.

Plus, he's not doing this alone, Eden Sirene is his business partner.

[PhaylennMurúch]

Pricey yes, but at this level of customization? completely understandable

I don't think I've seen them do a "standard" tail sculpt yet, every one has been original. We all know how much new sculpts cost, hell in my chats with Mernation we figured out a way to get the fluke that I desperately want without the bajillion dollars extra for a custom fluke mold.

[stellar lee]

Oh Pearlie, there's no question on both counts. He can make it on his own. The fact that he's started by courting Mertailor customers is interesting. I wonder about the motives. and truthfully... I'm not sure I'll ever go the silicone route. Darlexx is really fun to play with (and it takes pigment)!

[PearlieMae]

Oh Pearlie, there's no question on both counts. He can make it on his own. The fact that he's started by courting Mertailor customers is interesting. I wonder about the motives. and truthfully... I'm not sure I'll ever go the silicone route. Darlexx is really fun to play with (and it takes pigment)!

I am so anxious to see your experiments! Are you going to start a thread?

[stellar lee]

well, it is odd... my dabbling thus far is weird materials and odd moments of experimentation... like some colored pencil and tilex at 6:00 while brushing my teeth. FYI, the red colored pencil stayed, despite the tilex being applied directly after :)

[Mermaid Momo]

What is Matty's tail repair business?

[Yulia]

I shouldn't care any longer, but HECK I care for the other mers in the world too, this just
I'm flabbergasted to put it nicely

Mrs French Mertailor has made a full silicone "pro" tail (with what silicone? Who knows might as well be dog poop)

Pearlie confronted her:


http://utterberg.net/upload/img/201509090250-Skärmavbild_2015-09-09_kl._02.50.44.png




If you can't see the picture it basically went like this:

Pearlie: Hi are your still making crap tails?

Aurore:Yes I do, still same ol' crappy plastic, I haven't learnt anything from the experiences this year :)

I didn't know we lived in opposite-land, cus never in never has 2mm plexiglass been stronger than a "normal" monofin

[Sabrina the Selkie]

Whaaaaa?!?!?!
Aurore!!!! *angry Sabrina glare of death reserved for shoddy tailmakers*

Go Pearlie!

[SeaGlass Siren]

Some public pool bitch needs a fish slap in the face cuz she banking money on shoddy tails.

[Sabrina the Selkie]

Riiiiight?!

[Lotus the Mermaid]

I'm a little nervous, because I've had three mermaids contact me about my name being "Lotus" and the fact that I'm selling tails. If anyone has advice, please let me know. I feel like she's not going to be satisfied unless I change my name, and it's really feeling like harassment. :(

[Removed the screenshots since I didn't edit out names and felt it was inappropriate. Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion on the matter. <3]

[Lotus the Mermaid]

She also just recently re-introduced herself, I imagine it's just to keep her claim on the name Lotus. :<

http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?11818-hi-I-m-Lotus-I-m-back

[Edited out the screenshot here, too, just because you can see the post in the link.]

[Mermaid Jaffa]

Sounds like she's trying to monopolize on tail making. I'd say do what you feel is right. Its not like you are on a her doorstep, hawking your tails in her front yard.

[Lotus the Mermaid]

So far, I've just told her, "I'm sorry you feel that way," and have ignored her since. If there's anything else that I should do, though, please let me know! I feel I just got established in the community, and I don't want a scandal. :(

[Lotus the Mermaid]

Sounds like she's trying to monopolize on tail making. I'd say do what you feel is right. Its not like you are on a her doorstep, hawking your tails in her front yard.

Thank you so much! I think that's true. I saw that she's been inactive for a long time. I think she's trying to scare me, but my husband said she legally can't do anything anyway, so it's just her issue. I'm gonna take his advice and ignore her unless she threatens legal action, at which case I'm pretty sure there's still nothing she can do. It's just frustrating. :(

[Mermaid Jaffa]

Thank you so much! I think that's true. I saw that she's been inactive for a long time. I think she's trying to scare me, but my husband said she legally can't do anything anyway, so it's just her issue. I'm gonna take his advice and ignore her unless she threatens legal action, at which case I'm pretty sure there's still nothing she can do. It's just frustrating. :(

I was replying to... Either way, lots of mers have the same or similar sounding names. And you're both in different states, I don't see the problem unless you both have the exact tail colors and designs. None of you are carbon copies, each have their own style and ideas. Unless you own the name "Lotus", I can't see why it would be a huge deal.

I don't see where it says, Lotus Blooming will press charges or even go to court over it, so I don't know what you're trying to start.

[Mermaid Jaffa]

Thank you so much! I think that's true. I saw that she's been inactive for a long time. I think she's trying to scare me, but my husband said she legally can't do anything anyway, so it's just her issue. I'm gonna take his advice and ignore her unless she threatens legal action, at which case I'm pretty sure there's still nothing she can do. It's just frustrating. :(

I was replying to... Either way, lots of mers have the same or similar sounding names. And you're both in different states, I don't see the problem unless you both have the exact tail colors and designs. None of you are carbon copies, each have their own style and ideas. Unless you own the name "Lotus", I can't see why it would be a huge deal.

[Lotus the Mermaid]

I was replying to... Either way, lots of mers have the same or similar sounding names. And you're both in different states, I don't see the problem unless you both have the exact tail colors and designs. None of you are carbon copies, each have their own style and ideas. Unless you own the name "Lotus", I can't see why it would be a huge deal.

I don't see where it says, Lotus Blooming will press charges or even go to court over it, so I don't know what you're trying to start.

Oh! Haha, I was so nervous, I didn't look at the previous replies. xD I guess it is a really common problem.

That's what I figure, too. I just don't like dealing with bullies... I seriously appreciate it. Thank you so much, Jaffa! <3

[MermaidShannon]

I think she just really identifies with the name and is trying to find a way to work it out. Was this really necessary to plaster this all over mer network ? It was a private matter and being handled politely.


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[Lotus the Mermaid]

I think she just really identifies with the name and is trying to find a way to work it out. Was this really necessary to plaster this all over mer network ? It was a private matter and being handled politely.


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You were very polite about it when you messaged me, and I appreciated that. :)

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Clearly you are new here. I don't think anyone's approach to you was "bullying." Do NOT throw that term around loosely. The fact is, we are a VERY small community, and many of us look out for each other. Shannon and I are very good friends with Nicole and she is very upset about her name being taken. So we thought we would approach you nicely about it. No, she probably can't do anything about it legally. Yes, some mers have similar names. But I would think that, if not out of respect for another mermaid, that at LEAST for your own individuality, you would consider a name change. Ultimately it is on you. But please don't accuse anyone of bullying when they are speaking up for themselves in a respectful manner.

[MermaidShannon]

I don't know how these things work I just know she's very sad and I hope you all can work it out without too much back and forth. [emoji226]


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[Mermaid Momo]

I think she just really identifies with the name and is trying to find a way to work it out. Was this really necessary to plaster this all over mer network ? It was a private matter and being handled politely.


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tbh, her messages in the screenshot were not polite at all. just saying "it's really not, i've been the only one for x long, you have to change your name" is not polite. It's like a little kid demanding you give them something. A polite way to have gone about it would have been

" Hi! I am also called Lotus! Small world huh? I'm sorry if I sound rude or demanding, but I'm wondering if there is anyway we can work out a way to make sure there is no confusion between the two of us? I understand if you don't want to change your name, as I'm very attached to mine as well, maybe we could add just one word (to either mine or your stage name) in order to make it easier for customers to differentiate between the two of us? Again sorry for intruding! waiting to hear from you soon."

now read that, does that sound as aggressive, as demanding as what's in the screenshot? (sorry If I'm making things worse Lotus but I just really really really don't like when people request things, but in really rude and aggressive ways, especially for the first interaction or when replied to in a really nice way. It just makes my scales stand on edge to see such rudeness! Like I'm 19 and I can manage to be polite to so why can't an adult?)

[Lotus the Mermaid]

Clearly you are new here. I don't think anyone's approach to you was "bullying." Do NOT throw that term around loosely. The fact is, we are a VERY small community, and many of us look out for each other. Shannon and I are very good friends with Nicole and she is very upset about her name being taken. So we thought we would approach you nicely about it. No, she probably can't do anything about it legally. Yes, some mers have similar names. But I would think that, if not out of respect for another mermaid, that at LEAST for your own individuality, you would consider a name change. Ultimately it is on you. But please don't accuse anyone of bullying when they are speaking up for themselves in a respectful manner.

I promise you, I'm not throwing the term around loosely. A mermaid who is supposedly "well-established" messaged me about having a "serious problem" with the fact that we both have the same name. That was right after Shannon messaged me, and you posted on my wall about it. I felt ganged up on, and came here for advice on how to deal with it. She finally stopped messaging me just a few minutes ago, and I'm very sorry that she's sad about it. I told her that. I saw that she's also been inactive for quite a while. I don't know what else to do, in all honesty. I can't change my name, so that's it. :(

[Mermaid Lunette]

no, she is NOT new here. also, it became harrassment when she said she wouldn't change her name after the first time, and 2 more people contacted her. her answer is lotus, she is not changing her name, trying to convince her otherwise when she has made her stance clear elevates the issue into harrassment. she is lotus, and the other mer is lotus. she identifies with the name just as much as the other mer.

if it is trully not harrasment or an issue then there is no need to bother the mermaid lotus about it anymore. they are both gonna keep their names. end of story, let it go.

[MermaidShannon]

no, she is NOT new here. also, it became harrassment when she said she wouldn't change her name after the first time, and 2 more people contacted her. her answer is lotus, she is not changing her name, trying to convince her otherwise when she has made her stance clear elevates the issue into harrassment. she is lotus, and the other mer is lotus. she identifies with the name just as much as the other mer.

if it is trully not harrasment or an issue then there is no need to bother the mermaid lotus about it anymore. they are both gonna keep their names. end of story, let it go.


Actually Venessa and I reached out first because our friend was upset. Then other lotus said she hadn't even heard from her yet so she THEN contacted her. We weren't bullying at all.


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[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

no, she is NOT new here. also, it became harrassment when she said she wouldn't change her name after the first time, and 2 more people contacted her. her answer is lotus, she is not changing her name, trying to convince her otherwise when she has made her stance clear elevates the issue into harrassment. she is lotus, and the other mer is lotus. she identifies with the name just as much as the other mer.

if it is trully not harrasment or an issue then there is no need to bother the mermaid lotus about it anymore. they are both gonna keep their names. end of story, let it go.


For the record, Shannon and I contacted her first because she was upset about it. And then we told her that maybe it would be best for Nicole to approach her personally. I do agree it could have been handled better, but we don't always control our emotions perfectly when upset. So indeed that is that....and good luck selling your tails in this community.

[Mermaid Lunette]

it does not matter whom contacted her first. she showed that she had no interest in changing her name, and then 2 other people she does not know approached her with the same issuethe fact that you addmitted having a tactic and coming at her one by one just proves that your purpousley ganged up on her.

she is keeping her name and i am sure your friend will to. there is no ned to drag this out further. it should be left alone, there is nothing else to discuss.

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Clearly it matters to you since you brought it up and I am correcting the facts here. I'll tell you when there is nothing else to discuss. Until then, kindly pipe down.

[Mermaid Lunette]

no i will not until people stop harassing my friend. her name is mermaid lotus, it will not be changed.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

[MermaidShannon]

it does not matter whom contacted her first. she showed that she had no interest in changing her name, and then 2 other people she does not know approached her with the same issuethe fact that you addmitted having a tactic and coming at her one by one just proves that your purpousley ganged up on her.

she is keeping her name and i am sure your friend will to. there is no ned to drag this out further. it should be left alone, there is nothing else to discuss.


SHE HADNT SAID NO YET. Now it's all over mer network for the peanut gallery to comment on.


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[MermaidShannon]

no i will not until people stop harassing my friend. her name is mermaid lotus, it will not be changed.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/48c8446716d009518a075d5989e00b34.jpg


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[Mermaid Lunette]

fine then, i retract that now, however now she has said no.

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

no i will not until people stop harassing my friend. her name is mermaid lotus, it will not be changed.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

You go Glen Coco

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Damn that bear has been so handy today

[MermaidShannon]

It really has. It's like my spirit animal. I'm gonna send it to Iona if she bans us


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[Mermaid Lunette]

ooooh, now i see who i am dealing with.

my bad ^^ tipe to block and not waste my time. i suggest you do the same

they are both named lotus. that is just life.

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

I bet Iona misses us. WE ARE BAAACK IONA!!!! LOLOLOL

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Tell me more about this life you speak of little grasshopper.

[MermaidShannon]

Venessa stop Loonette is gonna block us


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[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Venessa stop Loonette is gonna block us


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Our work here is done. Carry on folks.

[Starfrit]

How dare two people have the same internet name based off of a really generic flower, let's all act like prissy jerks about it because there can be only one flowery-named mermaid ever

My two cents, not that anybody asked: Lotus A is overly-sensitive about her uncreative name no longer making her a Special Snowflake, Shannon and Venessa didn't both need to get on Lotus B's case because I'm sure Lotus A is a big girl who can handle her own conflicts (and Shannon and Venessa are notorious for coming off as enormous jerks over the dumbest shit lbr), y'all need to get over it and leave Lotus B alone

On a totally unrelated note, I am the only one on the planet allowed to be named Terri because I said so, all the other Terris need to change their names or else they're a threat to my uniqueness and are hurting my delicate feelings.

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

How dare two people have the same internet name based off of a really generic flower, let's all act like prissy jerks about it because there can be only one flowery-named mermaid ever

My two cents, not that anybody asked: Lotus A is overly-sensitive about her uncreative name no longer making her a Special Snowflake, Shannon and Venessa didn't both need to get on Lotus B's case because I'm sure Lotus A is a big girl who can handle her own conflicts (and are notorious for coming off as enormous jerks over the dumbest shit lbr), y'all need to get over it and leave Lotus B alone

On a totally unrelated note, I am the only one on the planet allowed to be named Terri because I said so, all the other Terris need to change their names or else they're a threat to my uniqueness and are hurting my delicate feelings.

Thanks for that recap....we were all lost until you came in and cleared things up!

[MermaidShannon]

Don't call Lotus A and Lotus B notorious jerks that's uncalled for


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[Starfrit]

Sorry, edited my post. Meant to specify you and Venessa.

Carry on.

[Mermaid Mystery]

I love all of you but name calling is seriously no way to go with this. also don't drag me into this I'm currently procrastinating and I need to stop

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Sorry, edited my post. Meant to specify you and Venessa.

Carry on.


Ohhhhh Shannon, you heard that? WE ARE LEGENDS!!!

[Lotus the Mermaid]

How dare two people have the same internet name based off of a really generic flower, let's all act like prissy jerks about it because there can be only one flowery-named mermaid ever

My two cents, not that anybody asked: Lotus A is overly-sensitive about her uncreative name no longer making her a Special Snowflake, Shannon and Venessa didn't both need to get on Lotus B's case because I'm sure Lotus A is a big girl who can handle her own conflicts (and Shannon and Venessa are notorious for coming off as enormous jerks over the dumbest shit lbr), y'all need to get over it and leave Lotus B alone

On a totally unrelated note, I am the only one on the planet allowed to be named Terri because I said so, all the other Terris need to change their names or else they're a threat to my uniqueness and are hurting my delicate feelings.

Thank you, Tieri. I seriously hope this whole thing is resolved now. :') <3

[MermaidShannon]

Omg
That wasn't very nice Tieri you took it personal and swore at me.

#alllivesmatter


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[Mermaid Mystery]

this is getting good http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/01755c0dcb12a44cff5628448ef1c256.jpg

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Omg
That wasn't very nice Tieri you took it personal and swore at me.

#alllivesmatter


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:lol::lol:

[MermaidShannon]

this is getting good http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/01755c0dcb12a44cff5628448ef1c256.jpg

That's the dollar store Kermit gurl.


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[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Thank you, Tieri. I seriously hope this whole thing is resolved now. :') <3

Your eyes are so pretty Lotus 2. They are mesmerizing me.

[MermaidShannon]

Your eyes are so pretty Lotus 2. They are mesmerizing me.

Omg I was gonna say the same thing. Twinsies.


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[Mermaid Mystery]

That's the dollar store Kermit gurl.


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tru tru

[Merman Dan]

On a totally unrelated note, I am the only one on the planet allowed to be named Terri because I said so, all the other Terris need to change their names or else they're a threat to my uniqueness and are hurting my delicate feelings.

It is my understanding there will be at least TWO if not THREE Merman Dans at Mer-Mania this January 1-3 in Greensboro, NC. I welcome the glorious chaos. ;)

[Mermaid Momo]

You know you two aren't really helping your friend by coming in and just being rude to everyone and throwing shit in the pot.

[Starfrit]

You know you two aren't really helping your friend by coming in and just being rude to everyone and throwing shit in the pot.

^This. I'm sure their friend is so thankful to be represented by people who think the best way a handle such a trivial issue is to gang up on and attempt to bait drama out of someone with gradeschool-quality trolling tactics.

[MermaidShannon]

^This. I'm sure their friend is so thankful to be represented by people who think the best way a handle such a trivial issue is to gang up on and attempt to bait drama out of someone with gradeschool-quality trolling tactics.

You should ask your doctor if Prozac is right for you. Surely you're not this cranky all the time.


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[ShyKaiju]

Wow, how old are we?...

I get the reason why you/your friend Lotus might be upset over this, but resorting to high school antics isn't really the way to resolve any of this.
As far as I'm concerned, 'Lotus the Mermaid' and 'Lotus' are two separate names, why is that not good enough for 'Lotus'? 'Lotus the Mermaid' has been rather active, and you can't just come out of the damn woodwork and suddenly start demanding changes because you were 'first'.

You're really just making yourselves look bad here

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[CheshireKat]

Ok guys, enough. If you want to continue this, please take it to the Drama Bubble thread, this isn't the place for it.

The comments are becoming increasingly antagonistic and rude, your point has been made. Please stop. I think it was quite clear from the original post that she was unsure of the course to take and wanted advice. She named no names (apart from the shared name of a flower) in any of her posts on this subject, and was concerned with the possible legal ramifications and consequential result on her flegling tailmaking business because of it.

Shannon, I really don't appreciate the particularly callous comment about Prozac and how someone needs to be on it because they're 'cranky'. That's not how it works, and I think you know that. As someone who has struggled with mental illness for most of her life, I don't appreciate you using me as a butt of a joke or inferring as if that makes someone's emotions less valid. It is rude and insensitive and I don't appreciate it.

Let's keep it respectful on both sides of the argument people.

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[Starfrit]

Shannon, I really don't appreciate the particularly callous comment about Prozac and how someone needs to be on it because they're 'cranky'. That's not how it works, and I think you know that. As someone who has struggled with mental illness for most of her life, I don't appreciate you using me as a butt of a joke or inferring as if that makes someone's emotions less valid. It is rude and insensitive and I don't appreciate it.

Unfortunately this isn't the first time she's resorted to "lol you need medication"-type jokes when trying to stir the drama-pot. They both generally re-use the same three tactics to try and get under people's skin every time they gang up on people like this. They've been warned by admins about this before, but they don't learn.

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

[Mermaid Lunette]

(small reminder to those whom can still see their comments. if they are offensives/rude you can report them to admins via the little exclamation points in the triangle and they can handle them.)

[Mermaid Wesley]

I'm a little late to the party but:
Some of these posts violate Mernetwork's rules. Continuation of such behavior will have consequences. Refresh yourselves on the rules here.
(http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?266-Rules-and-Disclaimers)
Just be respectful people. Don't make me have to be the bad guy.

[MermaidShannon]

@tieri you're right. But you know what keyboard warrior? You are and always do take it to a personal level which makes you a bully as well. Now how bout we ALL PIPE DOWN. K? K.


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[SeaGlass Siren]

Ladies and gentlemen,
allow me to reintroduce ourselves to our friend, KUMBAYA !
kumbaya you mers, kumbaya.

[Yulia]

What


What just happened

[SeaGlass Siren]

Lotus a wanted lotus b to change her name but lotus b doesn't want to because lotus a has been inactive and lotus b already made a name for herself. Friend a and friend b of lotus a tried to gt lotus b to change her name.

[Yulia]

Well that is a fight that need not to have happened.

[PearlieMae]

I'm a little nervous, because I've had three mermaids contact me about my name being "Lotus" and the fact that I'm selling tails. If anyone has advice, please let me know. I feel like she's not going to be satisfied unless I change my name, and it's really feeling like harassment. :(

[Removed the screenshots since I didn't edit out names and felt it was inappropriate. Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion on the matter. <3]

Well, you could change your name to some derivation of "Sirene" and see how many mers get their scales in a tangle ;)

Don't worry about it. Like in any pond, there's never just one lotus.

Also: Pearlie Bae contacted me to point out that our names were similar. She hoped no one would get the two of us confused.

[Echidna]

well, to be honest: I'm not very active atm, but I would be upset if someone new would name themselves "Echidna Rising" for example, and then later change their name to "The Echidna".

Not so much because I want to be a "special snowflake", but because it would generate confusion, especially for members who don't hang out on the forums all the time.
Take into account frequently changing avatars, and I would have no clue who is who.

[SeaGlass Siren]

im 100% certain there's another seaglass siren on here as well. not entirely shure what her status is but i told it it was alright with me and we could be seaglass sisters :P

[AniaR]

I think the difference is while shes not active on MerNetwork shes been active as a tail maker and a mermaid longer than ive been a mermaid too. I think concerns of people getting the two businesses confused are valid. I know it happens a lot for the two mermaid marlas and two Lorelei's. Id ask someone too if they decided to be a Raina, cuz hey i built mylife and career around the name. From what i saw the messages were pretty reasonable

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[Echidna]

im 100% certain there's another seaglass siren on here as well. not entirely shure what her status is but i told it it was alright with me and we could be seaglass sisters :P

I think she changed her name as soon as she learned there already was one.

And as Raina said, it's not about being possessive about a name.
It's plain confusing, and confusion is bad when you have built a business around that name including FB pages and social media profiles.

[SeaGlass Siren]

what did she change her name to?

[Echidna]

iirc, Mermaid Muir.
Before that, she was Allie Free.

Unless there was yet another person with the seaglass idea.

[Prairie Mermaid Jamie]

Momo: i second the laxatives. Effective and funny. Just like in dumb and dumber :) the movie Waiting also has some good ideas! ;)

As for this whole Lotus a and b thing, its seriously blown way out to left field. This wasnt an issue when "b" was known as lotus blooming. So "a" is upset. Understandably. But i seen those messages before the post was removed. They were in no way professional. And to send the vultures in here to cause crap is also unprofessional and in my own opinion, pathetic.

"A" has not been active for a while and honestly ive never heard of her as a tailmaker. So for them to come back just because of this is pretty damn petty and something i expect from the class of 9 year olds i supervise. Not from grown women. Pulling out phrases involving mental health and meds is beyond rude, uneducated, and bordering on hate speech.

Lotus the rocky mermaid : if you had come at it with even an ounce of decency and respect instead of snotty demands, things would have gone much differently. If i spoke to someone like that as the owner of my company, it would cost me reputation and business. Act more professional in all aspects. Yes you may be upset but its hard to have sympathy when you were snarky and rude. Do you think Raven or Abby and Bryn would have acted this way? And people have been blatently ripping them off for years. Thats what makes them professional. The ability to overcome obstacles with grace and tact. Or just not care because they know their work is far superior and have nothing to worry about.

Vanessa and Shannon. You two are the most vile mer people i have ever encountered. Your opinions and the fact that you set out to intentionally hurt and try to destroy people on the reg shows me how ugly you are inside. If you guys hustled as hard as you hate, youd be much better people.

Lotus (blooming): youve handled this much better than alot of others have. As long as the legal registered business names are not the same, there isnt an issue. When i got enough interest to make tails i looked into business names to make sure the one ive chosen was not similar to anyone elses. Its not a legal requirement so she cant fault you for that, but it is a respect thing. This isnt 100 because shes upset. She has points. There will be mistake between you two and from the nastiness so far, i doubt it will stop. No matter what you do, some people will always see it as piggybacking on what she already built.


It seems to me the issue is with the username, and not so much the companies themselves. Its a flower. A generic word that i dont even think could be copyrighted. Trademarked, maybe. But thats a long expensive process and i just dont either of the forking out hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so. Middle ground could have been reached but its too far gone now. Best let it be and both of you work to make your tails be the best for your consumers and let your work do the rest of the talking. If you make good tails, the name will become irrelevant.


My personal bitch to add : my cat is a jerk. She always needs to come sit on me after she has a big poop and tracks dirty litter everywhere and yesterday she sat on my lap, bit my hand cuz i wasnt petting her enough, farted, left a poop stain on my expensive acid washed jeans and ran away.

[SeaGlass Siren]

iirc, Mermaid Muir.
Before that, she was Allie Free.

Unless there was yet another person with the seaglass idea.
No the last seaglass siren had underscores in her username. She came on after mermaid miur... I think. I could be wrong.

[SeaGlass Siren]

Side note: Why can't one be called rocky lotus and the other blooming lotus? :0

[AniaR]

Can i just say just because people arent active on mernetwork doesnt mean they arent active in the community??? Nicole had one of the first ever tail making businesses and mermaid lessons and used that name for a decade. Lots of people dont know who halifax mermaids are despite us being active.to me it is not an issue of even being attached to a name. If it is your long running business then thats what it is. For the new lotus i can guarantee when people search for your stuff her stuff will come up. It isnt opinion or being mean i think youre great. But i dont use my mermaid name on mernetwork either

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[SeaGlass Siren]

Well...Technically its backwards :P :hides:

[Mermaid Wesley]

Waoh. Again. Stop with the name calling. Seriously guys. Discuss it sure but I already warned you. And I won't warn you again.



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[stellar lee]

It takes more to build a brand than just creating the brand, it takes maintenance. Raina, You know this, and yes, there are still people in the mermaid world who don't know your company. In 2 years, where Lotus Blooms' brand is will be decided by Lotus and her marketing strategy. Lotus the Mermaid/ Nicole has let her branding lapse throughout social media (I just did a search for multiple tags and found several accounts like Twitter that have been generally neglected). How she recovers from that remains to be seen.

I just have to chuckle a bit, because Lotus Blooms is also an up and coming adult novelty store that is also big into education and is opening up a new location in DC... Would this debate over names even be taking place if Lotus Blooms had been googled recently? ( I highly recommend NOT Googling LOTUS BLOOMS at work)

[shimmygoddess]

It takes more to build a brand than just creating the brand, it takes maintenance. Raina, You know this, and yes, there are still people in the mermaid world who don't know your company. In 2 years, where Lotus Blooms' brand is will be decided by Lotus and her marketing strategy. Lotus the Mermaid/ Nicole has let her branding lapse throughout social media (I just did a search for multiple tags and found several accounts like Twitter that have been generally neglected). How she recovers from that remains to be seen.

I just have to chuckle a bit, because Lotus Blooms is also an up and coming adult novelty store that is also big into education and is opening up a new location in DC... Would this debate over names even be taking place if Lotus Blooms had been googled recently? ( I highly recommend NOT Googling LOTUS BLOOMS at work)

when I chose a performance name (for bellydance) when I went pro in 2007, I did alot of research. I made sure there were no other professional bellydancers with that name locally or even in this state. There are others all over the world, but a name is a name. Anyone can pick it or be born with it and you have no control really. Just have to do research on names, branding ideas, and make sure it isn't to close to what someone else (doing the same thing) is. Lotus is popular though, so while I understand both sides of this, it is hard to be 'unique' with a popular word. Both will have to work on their own branding and setting them apart from others.

**edited to add, several years ago another well know dancer from NY moved here with the same performance name as mine, she tried to talk me into changing mine, but I wouldn't, since I live here first and I was already an established performer. People confuse us all the time, just had to learn to deal with it.

Good luck!!!

[Winged Mermaid]

No idea what's happening. All I know is I have tons of reported posts and PMs in my inbox, pages of apparent drama to read through, and enough signal to barely load one page. So I'm just going to lock this down until the other admin can get to it, or when I can get to it when I get home and have enough of a connection to sort this out properly.

[EdenSirene]

Hey mers our tails are very affordable in fact we want everyone to have a chance to swim
in custom tails! We have so many awesome upgrades just contact us at Merrow Fins! You will be pleasantly surprised💙🐬💙

[Merenneito Nerissa]

I actually sent a message to MerrowFins through FB, it's considering a mertailor tail I already own though, but maybe u could check it out..? :) (definitely atm saving for a new tail also ;) )

[Theobromine]

So...I normally try to stay way the heck away from this sort of thing, but I just have to comment on those new Mertailor scales. My first thought when I saw the picture was "Finfolk much?" Then I scrolled down and saw the next one about him being the first to make diamond-shaped scales...that really annoys the crap out of me because his original scales were basically what the old Alex Plus tails with the mesh-stamped scales looked like. Nothing new there. And Finfolk sure as hell didn't get that scale idea from him, I can tell you that for damn sure. I was the one who asked them to make those scales. I don't think a lot of people realize that, but I ordered my tail through their Kickstarter, and they let me have a LOT of creative input in the design process (luckily they loved all my ideas), essentially getting to design my tail from the ground up, and I was the one who asked them to make realistic, textured, non-rounded scales that gradually increased in size as you go up the body. So yeah...I really hope no one's fooled by Mertailor's latest dumbass bullshit. He can say that he's "updating" his "original idea", but it seems to me that he's just trying to capitalize on the popularity of Finfolk's scales. ASS.

[Mermaid Miel]

Nothing new there sweetie. Seems to be part of his business model.

[Theobromine]

Oh, I know. Not surprised at all, I just wanted to put that out there for everyone's general information in case shit starts flying :P

[Merman Arion]

I find unprofessional that a new tailmaker on the rise promote - in a way - her business in the post of the sale of my tail. :thumbdown:
People have a right to buy used tails even if the cost is similar.

rant/done.

[Prairie Mermaid Jamie]

I got a couple

Ended my almost 9 year relationship. Couldnt stay faithful.

Second. Being threatened by other mers on here. No you dont have the right to make other people feel bad. Or try to. You dont get to stalk them to find out more info to try to use against them. But if you bring it up, so no one else ends up threatened as well and its swept under the goddamn rug. Just because your "famous" doesnt make you better then anyone else.

[SeaGlass Siren]

And I think I know what it's about. I'm online if you wanna vent

[Prairie Mermaid Jamie]

I found today that theres really no point in trying to show others the ugly in the world. Ive seen today that some of the mers i respected most are nothing. Juku was totally right in his last rant. Seaglass, ill message you.

[AniaR]

*has screen shots of all the conversations and certainly didn't threaten anyone, but most certainly was threatened over someone else's misunderstanding*

I feel like there should be a RULE in the bitch it out thread that you can't use it to passive aggressively call out people. All it does is lead to more drama on the forum and isn't the point of the thread. Everytime there's some FB drama or drama in a thread, you can come here and find the people involved slinging poo at each other in hopes of getting away with it without being banned!