The Drama Thread (WARNING: DRAMA AHEAD)

[Winged Mermaid]

I didn't want to stir drama, but I agree that she should look into getting a drawing to use from a royalty-free or creative commons source. I recognized that from the How to Draw Manga books. It's better to get a more well-proportioned drawing anyway, IMO (manga = not proportioned like us). :) You can search "creative commons clip art" and there are sites with search bars for easy searching.

While I'm on the subject, for anyone who has ever dealt with YouTube music issues, there are whole sites dedicated to creative commons music you can download and use for free.

[AniaR]

Christopher Hart offers his images royalty free. You can buy them all on CDs or online, and even download clipart directly from his website. I used to sell them in a book store. Google it and his stuff comes from a variety of stock websites, for free use so long as you aren't seeling the image

[Blondie]

I was just about to say, the images could be royally free? That happens with music too.

[AniaR]

yeah correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't have one of his things right in front of me, but I seem to recall buying one of his books and CDRoms for my sister and it said right in it that you could use the images so long as you didn't sell them.

[Mermaid Melusinah]

ok... first let me state that i am NOT a tail maker. I never claimed to be. Actually my business was making toddler and infant hairbows. I know that doesnt fall on the same scale or degree, however everything that i made was just as custom as it takes to make a tail... I'm not saying that i would do this or that if i was stevi. I am simply stating how I myself ran my business. that is all. I'm not trying to attack or defend anyone. personally, i dont give a flying fish in space. I am not putting myself in the middle of drama, i have much better things to do with my time. It's the internet for cripes -_-' sake. that being said, i still offer the best wishes for everyone. i rarely ever do post, simply to avoid things like this. but that doesnt mean that i dont sit and observe. my post of "not buying" was more so to just say that i have been scammed before and i literally fear it EVERY time i make any sort of internet buy. thats all. I am NOT saying that is what stevi is doing. DONT take it that i am. she doesnt seem like that sort of cold hearted person.

I genuinely feel for stevi, i know things arent easy some times. everyone hits ruts. makes things very hard. but at the same rate, if you cant handle what you have, dont take on more. thats just the better route to take. *shrugs* I really really truly hope that she smoothes this out. i do.

[AniaR]

It's also not cool to register with multiple accounts or change usernames to make it look like more than 1 person has a criticism. Just saying. Mods see your IP addresses...

Melusinah, that's not directed at you, but rather members who are using alt accounts/names, and members who are dragging the drama into other parts of the site and on FB etc. I didn't mean for it to come off as a personal attack, and I apologize because re-reading it I can see it looks like that since I started with a quote. This was my rant observation of stuff I am seeing all over mernetwork and FB, not just in this thread, I should have made that clearer.

[Mermaid Melusinah]

Raina. Whisper is Lexia's mother. They naturally would opperate from the SAME IP. this i know for a fact. I dont stick my neck out for people. But i vouche for that.

And I know that now. Sorry, it felt a little attacking. Thank you.

[Whisper]

It's also not cool to register with multiple accounts or change usernames to make it look like more than 1 person has a criticism. Just saying. Mods see your IP addresses...

Melusinah, that's not directed at you, but rather members who are using alt accounts/names, and members who are dragging the drama into other parts of the site and on FB etc. I didn't mean for it to come off as a personal attack, and I apologize because re-reading it I can see it looks like that since I started with a quote. This was my rant observation of stuff I am seeing all over mernetwork and FB, not just in this thread, I should have made that clearer.

@ AniaR - Are you referring to me? I can guarantee you I have no other account with MerNetwork and never had. I have been watching and reading the threads for several months now and finally decided to join this morning. If you would like, I will gladly give you my personal phone # and you can verify this with me verbally.

If this is not in regards to me, then please, accept my apology.

Whisper

[AniaR]

Raina. Whisper is Lexia's mother. They naturally would opperate from the SAME IP. this i know for a fact. I dont stick my neck out for people. But i vouche for that.

Really? That's not what Lexia just told Iona. And "Whisper" has been used and posted from before when drama has popped up. I didn't even point out a user either, since this is not the first time I've seen people account hopping/changing names or only posting in drama.



I was just saying that if you promise a product and they give you money for it. You should do you absolute best to get them that product asap. The longer you draw it out (And I'm talking like 4 months) That just feels... Wrong to me. It's like holding someone's money hostage. I know Stevi would never ever EVER steal! I never in my right mind would think she would! I just was trying to make an example. It feels like stealing when people do not have the product they were promised, and the fact that it is months late. I feel like some people are like "Jeez if I knew it was going to take THAT long I wouldn't of bought a tail" you know? People like to get what they paid for....

I think you make a perfectly valid point. If my rant came across like you were suggesting she was stealing I didn't mean for it to. My rant is more directed to people who are reading this and taking it to other ends of the site and on FB etc. I think it's hard for those of us who have either ordered from Stevi or know her well. At the end of the day, we can't give excuses. What's happened is not okay. And we don't want to see Stevi run into the ground either. But we do want people to get their tails. I hope it just all works out :(

[Morticia Mermaid]

Really? That's not what Lexia just told Iona. And "Whisper" has been used and posted from before when drama has popped up. I didn't even point out a user either, since this is not the first time I've seen people account hopping/changing names or only posting in drama.

Raina, I have personal refrained from posting on this thread for specific reasons. Whisper is my mother, we work in the same office. I informed Iona that I worked in an office with another Woman, because I did not feel it was anyones personal business to know that I worked with my mother. Whisper is a name she has gone by since Highschool.

Think I am lying, Here is the picture of my office. My desk on the left, her and hers on the right. http://mernetwork.com/index/album.php?albumid=561&attachmentid=9217 (http://mernetwork.com/index/album.php?albumid=561&attachmentid=9217)

Edit- Here is a screen shot of the EXACT message I sent to Iona. I no where in this message said Whisper was or was not my mother.

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[Whisper]

@ AniaR - Please explain to me how I am not Lexia's mother. I was definitely there when she was born. If you look I created my account this morning. I will gladly send you the confirmation email I received.

I have been called Whisper by many of my friends since high school. As I have said before, I will gladly give my cell phone # to anyone here if they would like to call and verify who I am. I find you accusing me of this as rude and incompetent.

And if you look, I have posted on several of the threads. So please, explain to me how I am not who I say I am.

Whisper

[SeaGlass Siren]

Draaaaamaaa... Can we all get back to the original topic of refunds and non refunds?

[Whisper]

Draaaaamaaa... Can we all get back to the original topic of refunds and non refunds?

I believe that if the product is defective, as it seems her tail was, then the maker should either provide a refund, repair or replacement.

I know that the tail making business is different from other businesses, but it does come down to business is business.

Just my thought.

[AniaR]

I have been called Whisper by many of my friends since high school. As I have said before, I will gladly give my cell phone # to anyone here if they would like to call and verify who I am. I find you accusing me of this as rude and incompetent.

I actually didn't accuse you specifically. I said I knew people were doing it on the site, which they are. Iona intercepts people on a regular basis trying to post from multiple accounts, change their username, scramble their own IP etc. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. Everytime there is drama, people do it. In the past we've even had people do it to post both good and bad reviews. You, identified yourself. Which confused both Iona and I considering one person claimed you were her mother, and Lexi said you worked in the office. Since you identified yourself, and someone else publicly pointed you out, I pointed out the observation that the two pieces of information conflicted. In addition the username "Whisper" has appeared before- that wasn't a suggestion that it somehow wasn't your nickname.

It's really disappointing that a whole family that has not actually purchased from someone, feels the need to continually critique as if they've had, and find multiple ways to turn a thread into critique/criticism about that person. It's disappointing this "criticism" and people disagreeing on it has resulted in rude PMs to people on mernetwork,and lost friendships . It really feels to a huge amount of members whether they voice it publicly on the forum or not, it's being voiced in other places, that there is an over zealous attempt to continually discredit Stevi. Other tail makers are currently facing many of the same issues, and yet posts aren't always being turned into a way to critique them. Despite constant "I'm not trying to attack anyone" statements, it's certainly coming off that way. If your whole family is going to have a presence on the forum here, I sincerely hope the focus will be on promoting Shadowfancy, not putting down other tail makers (or members your family disagrees with) and reminding us how you'll crack the code to doing it better than them, before it's even done. People don't last long in the community here when they frequently put down others and elevate themselves above them. That may not be the intention with the frequent string of posts, but it certainly comes across that way when it happens again and again.


Draaaaamaaa... Can we all get back to the original topic of refunds and non refunds?

Iona can feel free to push it allllll into the drama section :D

[Whisper]

[QUOTE=AniaR;56373]I actually didn't accuse you specifically. I said I knew people were doing it on the site, which they are. Iona intercepts people on a regular basis trying to post from multiple accounts, change their username, scramble their own IP etc. It's not an accusation, it's a fact. Everytime there is drama, people do it. In the past we've even had people do it to post both good and bad reviews. You, identified yourself. Which confused both Iona and I considering one person claimed you were her mother, and Lexi said you worked in the office. Since you identified yourself, and someone else publicly pointed you out, I pointed out the observation that the two pieces of information conflicted. In addition the username "Whisper" has appeared before- that wasn't a suggestion that it somehow wasn't your nickname."

I am her mother and we do work in the same office. Please see the picture Lexia has already posted. So neither statement was false. As for 'scrambling' an IP address. I am so techno illiterate that I don't know how to find out what my IP address is or if I even have one. :)



"It's really disappointing that a whole family that has not actually purchased from someone, feels the need to continually critique as if they've had, and find multiple ways to turn a thread into critique/criticism about that person. It's disappointing this "criticism" and people disagreeing on it has resulted in rude PMs to people on mernetwork,and lost friendships . It really feels to a huge amount of members whether they voice it publicly on the forum or not, it's being voiced in other places, that there is an over zealous attempt to continually discredit Stevi. Other tail makers are currently facing many of the same issues, and yet posts aren't always being turned into a way to critique them. Despite constant "I'm not trying to attack anyone" statements, it's certainly coming off that way. If your whole family is going to have a presence on the forum here, I sincerely hope the focus will be on promoting Shadowfancy, not putting down other tail makers (or members your family disagrees with) and reminding us how you'll crack the code to doing it better than them, before it's even done. People don't last long in the community here when they frequently put down others and elevate themselves above them. That may not be the intention with the frequent string of posts, but it certainly comes across that way when it happens again and again."


After reading thru my posts regarding this so far, I do not see where I have attacked anyone. Being a business owner myself, I know first hand how hard it can be.

So far, you have come across as extremely defensive regarding me and I have done nothing to you at all. I decided to join this forum, so that I could interact with people and ask questions regarding tails and such. IF you check some of the other threads you will see that this is what I am doing.


May your day be most blessed.

[Winged Mermaid]

Iona can feel free to push it allllll into the drama section :D

Yup, it's going. :bulldozer:

[SeaGlass Siren]

Internet misunderstandings.. Ugh...

[AniaR]

So neither statement was false. As for 'scrambling' an IP address. I am so techno illiterate that I don't know how to find out what my IP address is or if I even have one
I think you're confused by my comment. I was giving context to my original comments. Not suggesting you were scrambling an IP address. I made an observation that something was happening frequently on the site, you took it specifically, and I clarified that it was a general observation, based upon evidence (quoting what Iona is frequently dealing with as a mod).

If I have come off defensive with you, it's because it's hard to see you independent of your daughter when you join the site and jump right into fishbutts drama. Your first posts on the site were about other members, and when someone is brand new and hasn't established themselves, I think that's a move that makes a lot of people uncomfortable and defensive. That being said. I think your daughter is a passionate individual, with a lot of potential. I believe, as do many others, the fishbutts issue has simply gone too far. Since this is a forum, people want to know they're able to make their comments and disagree with each other, without worrying that person's mother and sister will jump in to gang up to make the point. Many people join the forum for that purpose alone, to simply take a side in an argument. When in reality, this is a community rich with knowledge, friendship, and support. it may not be your intention at all, but that's what's happened with other people in the past, and that's how it can look to people.

If you'll be participating in the forum as a regular, then welcome to you. The usual way people join is by introducing themselves in the introduction thread. I think doing that would also show members that you're here to be a part of the community, as opposed to joining in on drama. Again, not an accusation, just an observation with a suggestion. Welcome to the forum.

[Ashe]

If you'll be participating in the forum as a regular, then welcome to you. The usual way people join is by introducing themselves in the introduction thread. I think doing that would also show members that you're here to be a part of the community, as opposed to joining in on drama. Again, not an accusation, just an observation with a suggestion. Welcome to the forum.
She did :) Hello all! (http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?4190-Hello-all!&p=56350#post56350) With all these drama threads filling up the What's New? box, It was easily lost :P

[Whisper]

If you look, you will see, I did introduce myself at 8:52am in the "Introduce Yourself" thread. If there was somewhere else that i should of done that, then please let me know. I have been talking to a couple people there.

As for "jump right into the fishbutts drama" some one made a post and I responded. My response was in no way out of line. I am not my daughter, nor is she me. We have different opinions and go head to head more often then people realize.

We very often have a difference of opinion.

As I have said, I have been thru the threads for several months now and decided to join this morning. If there was a better time for me to do it, please let me know.

If you care to take a look, you will see that I have made several posts in different threads regarding multiple things.

Blessings
Whisper

[Ashe]

If you look, you will see, I did introduce myself at 8:52am in the "Introduce Yourself" thread. If there was somewhere else that i should of done that, then please let me know. I have been talking to a couple people there.

Oh, you did everything right hun :) It was just hard to see cause we get so many posts here and things get lost easily ;) Honestly, you couldn't have joined at a worse time, I think we are all having different opinions at the moment, but everything works out in the long run and after we all come to conclusions, Mernetwork is a seriously great place! And even after arguing with members on here, the next week they are on my friends list and were discussing ways to sew sequins onto neoprene :lol: So i hope that your first day doesn't have a negative effect on how you see the site later :) And again, welcome!

[SeaGlass Siren]

So Ididn't know where else to put this, but in light of what happened today and on the topic of bulldozers...

I doth present unto the world...
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:bulldozer::bulldozer::bulldozer::bulldozer::bulld ozer:
He and his sons shalt take them forth swords and will cleft drama in twain!!!

[Ashe]

:clap: Amazing.

[Blondie]

Sometimes I open a coke and bag of chocolates when I read this thread....
#GuiltyPleasures

[Ashe]

^ hehe I've done that with popcorn!

[AniaR]

I think we all do from time to time :D :eyebrows:

[Ayla of Duluth]

sir bulldozer the second? what happened to sir bulldozer? was the drama too heavy for him? :(

[Winged Mermaid]

I like how when everything is said and done being all intense, we all start giggling about the new smilies! How much you guys love the drama bulldozer friggin cracks me up! Earlier I was all :headdesk: now I'm :lol ^:

[Ashe]

Agreed! I love this community so much and how easily we can all forgive :) In some cases, I can argue (in a civilized way) with someone nonstop and then the next day, they're on my friends list and we're exchanging tips on sewing sequins!

[SeaGlass Siren]

He died in a tragic drowning accident. So to continue his legacy the golden one shall reign.

[Whisper]

I know that I am new and that there have been 'issues' in the past - but in regards to Facebook - people should really be careful what they accuse people of, without solid evidence.

Just saying..

Whisper

[AnnaAbyss]

I would have posted some perfectly suiting gifs, but it keeps saying the files are too large. -_-
~Gets popcorn anyway~.

[Alice]

Another Mer has been picking fights with me for the last year in what ever fandom that im apart of no matter what it is
The only reason She is attacking me is because I took away her only form of money and transportation
by just dating my boyfriend who she had been using since high school for money and transportation
He payed for almost all of her cosplays and her first tail


Cosplaying- I'm a horrible cosplayer according to her
I'm not allowed to cosplay my favorite characters (Harley Quinn,Tinkerbell,ect.)


Ren Faires- I'm not accurate to time period blady blah di dah


And now mermaiding
She attacked me on Facebook using a fake facebook account on my public facebook page


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MER: Have you seen many deep sea fish, then? Because you've got a tad too much color. Also: The fin choice in the other picture? Please tell me you're joking. Please do proper research into what will actually help you move at a decent pace. Third: Please change your mind about the contacts. You will not be able to swim in them. And while it may be entertaining to watch you crash into a wall, I'm not so sure you'll have fun doing it. But I do have to congratulate you on no longer being a clown fish. They are neither deep sea nor predatory.

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Deep Sea Mermaid Ginger (https://www.facebook.com/DeepSeaMermaidGinger) first dont be rude .... second: the base is deep sea while the fin colors come from the predatory coral snake third: The contacts are for out of water only

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Deep Sea Mermaid Ginger (https://www.facebook.com/DeepSeaMermaidGinger) Fourth:the fins in the fin choice in the other picture were the first draft if you remember in 1st grade when you had to write a rough draft then the final

4 hours ago ·
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Deep Sea Mermaid Ginger (https://www.facebook.com/DeepSeaMermaidGinger) Lastly Nemo was a cosplay >..>

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MER: 1. I'm being oddly pleasant for being rude. 2. http://www.amersol.edu.pe/ms/7th/7block/jungle_research/new_cards/06/card06.html Coral snakes do not live in the ocean. 3. I just wanted to make sure. 4. You don't have to be rude about a comment. I was politely reminding you that research is a recommended step before posting concept art that can be easily stolen. 5. I understand what "costume play" is, however I would like you to please understand that I was complementing you on choosing to no longer be a clown fish. Under the premise, of course, that clowns are seen as fools, and that you had chosen to no longer be one. Was I wrong?https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBglcNjUF0qkKlJ&w=90&h=90&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amersol.edu.pe%2Fms%2F7th%2F7 block%2Fjungle_research%2Fnew_cards%2F06%2Fcoral-snake.jpg (http://www.amersol.edu.pe/ms/7th/7block/jungle_research/new_cards/06/card06.html)template.html (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amersol.edu.pe%2Fms%2F7th %2F7block%2Fjungle_research%2Fnew_cards%2F06%2Fcar d06.html&h=6AQHfuiDjAQEbH1MDtFCtWICCi1hmQfGCN0klpvcLuKN-Jw&s=1)
www.amersol.edu.pe (http://www.amersol.edu.pe/)The venom is neuron toxic, causing respiratory paralysis in the victim, who succumbs to suffocation. It's very poisonous and powerful.





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Deep Sea Mermaid Ginger (https://www.facebook.com/DeepSeaMermaidGinger) I'm sorry for being defensive.I understand that they don't live in the ocean >..> Predatory COLORS are scary on a spiny Mermaid. Clown fish are beautiful creatures and i need to rebuild nemo as a cosplay .If you read the top part of the original list Gremlin Specialty FX teeth are on the list .

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MER: I did notice the mention of fangs, though not the name brand. The reason I did not comment on them was because I saw no issue with them. My only intention for anything I have said is that you seem authentic. The mermaid community is meant to be a family, and it breaks their hearts to see people try to become part of it without truly understanding what it means to be a mermaid. The understanding of culture does require a bit of research, but it shouldn't be so much that it deters you. Go to the forums. Look at what other people do, and see how much thought and passion they have. Let it also become yours. A true deep sea mermaid isn't about being flashy with color. Leave that to the Great Reefs. You should be proud about the darkness you exude. You are quick and silent. Moving through the waters, unseen by those you consider to be prey. Your greatest strength is your stealth. With bright colors, you would only drive away your food source.

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Deep Sea Mermaid Ginger (https://www.facebook.com/DeepSeaMermaidGinger) Thing is I am on the forums http://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?3634-basing-my-tail-off-of-the-idea-that-merpeople-are-carnivorous-hunters-of-the-deep I consulted the Mermaid community they approved I asked them what colors i should go with and recommended what i have colored.


She made me question my Tail design and made me cry.


That made me feel better.

[Mermaid Miel]

What a self-righteous Bitca!

"the mermaiding community is a family and it breaks their hearts" to read some snotty hipster try to dictate how another Mermaid should design Their tail. Alice Is a member of the mermaid community already, and a more than welcome member.

Alice, ignore her. De-friend, ban, block... whatever. Also Report her and her Real account for harrasment. Facebook can track ISPs and if she's using the same computer then she'll get booted from her account.

Take nothing she said to heart, your Tail Design looks Awesome! Plus it's Always the teeth that mark a true predator, not their colouring.

[SeaGlass Siren]

I hate self righteous and preachy people. as if they're f--king perfect and a "mother Teresa" :|

[AniaR]

I just posted on your page some love and support. This girl just doesn't like you and has a hate on for you. I suggest never bothering replying to her to begin with and banning her from her page. YOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT AGAINST CRAZY. It's been a lesson I've had to learn the hard way. Crazy isn't interested in your perspective or your side. Crazy is Crazy.

[AniaR]

PEOPLE WHO AREN'T IN THE COMMUNITY NEED TO STOP PRETENDING THEY ARE THE VOICE FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. :\

[Spindrift]

My advice would be to just not even give her the satisfaction of answering. She's probably been waiting at the computer, checking eagerly to see what reply you send so that she can just attack you again. Just stop replying, even if she tries to goad you into it. If she posts any of this publicly, it'll just look horrible on her. And if it's private, she won't be hurting you anymore.

[AniaR]

she's the perfect example of the earlier post I made on this thread about FB: it's very easy to track alt accounts -_-

[Ashe]

Wow. I think it is just sad, those people. She isn't even in the community, is she? Anyways, when she said "The mermaid community is meant to be a family and it breaks their heart to see people trying to become a part of it without truly understanding what it means to be a mermaid'' it totally sickens me and literally made me walk out of my room for a minute 'cause I was *this* to exploding. No, you are perfect in this community, Alice and never feel like you have to prove something to any of us, ok? I happen to love your tail very much and I love clown fish! Why, she should see Merbella's new Clown Fish Tail and then start talking sh*t about yours :)

[drucilla]

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Star that is so beautiful I actually cried, though I know it was not meant for me I thank you for posting it. :)

[Alice]

Wow. I think it is just sad, those people. She isn't even in the community, is she? Anyways, when she said "The mermaid community is meant to be a family and it breaks their heart to see people trying to become a part of it without truly understanding what it means to be a mermaid'' it totally sickens me and literally made me walk out of my room for a minute 'cause I was *this* to exploding. No, you are perfect in this community, Alice and never feel like you have to prove something to any of us, ok? I happen to love your tail very much and I love clown fish! Why, she should see Merbella's new Clown Fish Tail and then start talking sh*t about yours :)



She is part of the community..... :/
i dont want to publicly out her

[AniaR]

She is part of the community..... :/
i dont want to publicly out her

Doesn't surprise me then, we've had a few people in the community pulling this sort of behaviour recently. It's just sad.

[Thalassa]

Some mers are very uptight about tails being realistic and the technicalities of freshwater vs salt and deep vs shallows...and others realize that mermaids are mythical creatures, nobody's seen one so who knows if they follow the same patterns? Most of the community agrees that you should go with your unique interpretation and do what makes you feel beautiful.

[Ashe]

I may be sounding like a total beotch here... but she may be part of the mermaid community, but I wouldn't consider her part of the mermaid family if what she is saying is raw and true. A community is a group of people, family is something different :) But that is just my honest opinion as a mer and as a person.

And as Thalassa stated: I doubt anyone has ever seen a mermaid, whether they are real or not, so who's to say what they look like? And I don't mean to come off negative or anything, internet context can be very deceiving...

[Mermaid Isabela]

I'm sorry that this has happened to you, Alice. People need to stop projecting their opinions with the community. What she did was incredibly petty, and childish. There was no reason for her to voice out her opinions in such an immature manner. ( It's like the bossy kid at playing pretend that wants everything to go her way. ) I hope you're feeling better, and don't let the haters bring you down. <3 You're a wonderful mermaid, and I got extremely happy when I saw your pictures pop up on my facebook feed! I'm friends with one of the cosplayers you took pictures with at ALA.

[Sammi Ray]

She must be jealous to want to send you messages, take that as a good thing and ignore. She obviously has too much time on her hands. Some people are just too idiotic to understand other people have perceptions of what mermaids look like, as we have no real evidence of what they look like anyways! If your having fun, feeling beautiful then don't let her knock what makes you happy. Your tail unique and that's what she's jealous about!

[-Annwyn-]

I told Iona that I didn't want to be involved with this place any-more, but I must digress, here I am. Now I am known for speaking my mind, and this post will be no different.


There are a few issues I would like to address regarding Fish Butts:


Out of all the tails I have witnessed reviews for, every one of them was sent out faulty in some way. From orders not being filled out the way the customer requested, to latex peeling off, to silicone being patchy and even hairs (both of animal and human origin) inlaid into them. But that's okay, Stevi's learning, right?


The constant excuses Fish Butts customers have received to not make up for the absolute anguish they have had to face in waiting for a tail to arrive, only to have had something wrong with them. But Stevi's learning, right? Stevi had to move? It's Christmas , maybe they just ordered at a bad time...


And while people are openly complaining about their orders not being processed, Stevi has the audacity to continue to take orders!


How anyone can fork over hundreds' of their hard-earned dollars to this scam artist needs to have their head checked. And to then act like Stevi is your friend? She'staking people's money, delivering empty promises, posting anticipating status updates and then making more excuses about why she cannot deliver. Fish Butts carries itself as though it is a business,, so it's customers should stop acting like Stevi is a friend. She simply 'experiments' with people's cash, slow to learn that it would actually take thousands of dollars of her own cash simply in trial and error. Her customers have paid her to commission tails for them, and she churns out something half-arsed after taking far too long. It shouldn't cost the customer money because Stevi wants to 'experiment'. Does nobody see the red flags waving? There is no grey area here, Stevi is screwing her customers financially. The emperor looks naked, because the emperor IS naked.


Now I am really disappointed when Raina advised everyone that she has had her hand in this, advising “"I actually suggested they turn the wall off and redirect people to email so they can keep track of who is who and put stuff in folders etc. Plus FB will automatically hide some wall posts and you don't always get notifications. Also a certain person was making fake accounts to feed off the drama and make it LOOK like there were more angrier customers than there actually are. Which was really disappointing because it only took 2 clicks to see who they actually were." Only spreading more rumours and drama. And what right, exactly, does Raina have telling Fish Butts customers to be patient and wait, when she has never purchased anything from Fish Butts herself? The nerve she and Iona have to tell Fish Butts customers to calm down and essentially playing down their worries is disgusting. If it was Eric, these two would be tearing strips off of him like they always do. What Raina has for Eric is nothing but pure hatred thinly disguised behind a cloy smile and a fake “I only want him to do a good job” excuse.


And what does Eric have to do with all of this? NOTHING. He is not involved in this in the least, and yet he has been unwillingly dragged in as a scapegoat. He apologised for any of his wrongdoings years ago and he has kept his side of the deal by keeping to himself. He has been nothing but kind and generous with his MerNetwork discount offer, and still you choose to crucify him. Stevi has scores more complaints, and yet you pander to her and give her an excuse for being lazy and taking people's money.


But I will note the post on Facebook she made recently advising that she is (finally) willing to give a refund to those whose old orders were never processed. Meaning,while some customer's anticipated orders were sitting and waiting to be processed, Stevi was trialling silicone tails. I am curious as to where the money has gone if she cannot automatically give refunds back to her customers? Is she taking all the new orders to refund the old ones?


I have no tolerance at all for Stevi or Fish Butts and you, the reader, are brainwashed and foolish if you think these shenanigans are legitimate. If you are a customer, you are being taken for a ride because Fish Butts on not a registered business anyway, in Colorado OR Tennessee.

[-Annwyn-]

Lasserine, she is refunding those who no longer want a tail, if you still want a tail, you will not get any money back, you just need to wait a little longer. :-)

And when, exactly, are they going to get their money back? I'm skeptical, and for good reason.

[Blondie]

Aela,

As much as I don't want to think you're right, you are. I love Stevi, I truly do. I love my Fish Butt, but like you said. It wasn't made exactly like I wanted it to be. But, it is in fact fully functional. I think we invest in Stevi because she was being the crusader in the tail making business. She offered custom painted tails cheap. They were pretty and over all again, CHEAP. People believe she that she is a saint for doing this for the community. Which, back last year, she was. $200 for a functional tail that YOU designed. YOU got to pick the monofin. Plus (at the time) it only took a month or so to make it. Summer came and she was pushing tails out like crazy. They got prettier, more elaborate, ect. People were invested.

And I'll agree, the excuses have become far too common. Shit happens. Shit happens a lot... But there has to be a point in which you have to tell yourself, "People are depending on me. People have paid me. I have a product to deliver." If she can't work, she needs to hire people to help her work. Running a one woman show doesn't really work. And I hate to be rude and mean but, I know her break up and move have been hard but, it's really time to get over it and focus on the now.

And I agree even more with Raina's attempt to help Stevi's costumers. No offense but, this isn't her battle. You really can't tell people to not worry and to stick up for Stevi. Like you said Aela, she hasn't purchased from Fish Butts. It's not her business, and she shouldn't be trying to Shepard the sheep. Although, Raina has experienced the wait for her tails too. But they were all different people. Not Stevi. Apples and oranges.

Eric and Stevi are different though. Eric took a long time with making his tails and used cheaper materials. This has changed, and so has Stevi's business. But originally, Stevi listed exactly what she used in her tails. And for a time, Stevi was making her tails and meeting deadlines. But you are right. If this was Eric people would be like, "Yep. That's what's expected of him. Blahblahblah why do people order from him? Blahblahblah You should have known." But with Stevi it's like, "Oh don't worry she'll come around. She works hard! She'll get you what you want sooner or later!"

I am glad she is offering a refund. I hope and have optimistic thoughts that they will be processed as quickly as possible. And I hope whatever tails are being made currently are finished ASAP. But that's all I can do for those mers. Is hope and pray.

I think we can all learn something from Aela's post. Think on your sins. I feel like shit now because I am very invested in Stevi. I think she is a lovely woman. But again, she needs to get her head on straight. I feel worse because we do criticize Eric for everything and with Stevi we blow it off. I think there's a lesson we can all learn here...

[Kanti]

Yea, people are too harsh on Eric.
Maybe he used to be just like Stevi when he started out and just ended up the way he did overtime.
Even if he didn't Aela is right. Everyone always tears Eric a new butthole whenever he makes ANY mistakes.
Whenever there's a forum about Eric not meeting his claimed deadline everyone goes 'oh well duh that's Eric
for you, all he ever does is lie about stuff! What a bad tailmaker'
For Stevi everyone gives her a second chance. There's definitely a double standard and it's really f**ked up.

[AnnaAbyss]

I agree. The double standards are unbelievable. I've never bought anything from FishButts (and don't plan to), but from what I've seen is just shameful. I do think people criticise Eric too much, but he does make extremely beautiful work when he does it right. I was obsessed with his stuff when I found out about him, then I started hearing things. I'm kind of a fence-sitter with the drama around him. Gotta say it but I'm sorry, but I saw it coming with Stevi and I didn't want to say anything because I thought I'd get crucified at the stake. Now I'm not saying I was the only one that ever saw it coming but it was pretty clear from the start...She could at least put aside her personal problems from her work. And just because something's cheap doesn't mean it's good quality and/or functional. I personally do not like FishButts. I feel I'm going to get a lot of hate from this...

Just my two cents.

[Winged Mermaid]

Whenever anyone came to me with concerns about over due tails from Fish Butts, I said that I would tell them to do the same thing if someone came to me from any other tail maker. That is, if said tail maker will not communicate and fail to deliver a product after the production time is overdue, give them a warning email and if they don't respond/ship out the product then report them to the BBB If they find it necessary, take action with your credit card company, paypal, ect to get a refund or take legal action. As far as I know the people who came to me about this issue did not do as I suggested, and that is their choice. I at times let people know if there are hold ups with tailmakers (like in the Merbellas thread) becuase not everyone has Facebook so they can't see the updates posted there, but I don't make excuses for anyone. People have their rights, and I encourage them to use them if a tail is overdue or faulty (after attempting to communicate and fix it with the tailmaker first). I also encourage people to write honest reviews, even if that means posting a negative experience. If they chose to do so or not is up to them. (Aela, what part of that is "disgusting" to you?)

I think FishButts deserves props for a few things. Firstly, they were honest about their materials from the get go. This included them specifically stating they were using ALEX and not latex. Secondly, when fault was found with a design it was changed quickly. This happened many times to improve their product. Thirdly, so far anyone who said that they reported their tail having a huge fault in the design causing it to lose functionality was given a replacement tail for FREE. Many tailmakers sell tails at a price above cost enough that theoretically if they had to replace a tail they could do so without actually having to pay out of pocket for the materials. A lot of times with sales I don't believe this was the case with FishButts, but they did it anyway. Thirdly, obviously when she realized she was in over her head and people were very upset from waiting.. the company offered a REFUND. No one has ever done that, even when there were people waiting over a year for tails from other tailmakers in the past. Yes, FishButts made mistakes, but they have admitted that they are over stretched and are giving money back to customers who want to take it elsewhere. What more could you want?

As for being skeptical on refunds, why stir up drama about a as of now non existent issue? To be blunt, currently it's not your problem or your business. If or when there is an issue people can report it an it will be dealt with at that time.

I didn't want to have to go there, but if we're going to go there, well here it is..
I know someone who got a refund from the Mertailor for a (allegedly) very shoddy made full silicone tail. He did not claim responsibility for a myriad of things wrong with this tail, and said he could fix them, but at full repair cost, so pretty much enough to buy a full new tail. The refund was only given after this person got a lawyer and had said lawyer meet him in person to get it from him. Thus far that is the only refund I have personally heard of. He only ever replaced 2 tails when many got bad tails from him- he replaced one for me and one for Bonnie and then listed on his site that no faults were his responsibility and never gave a replacement again as far as I know. He threatened people, bullied people, made fake accounts and reviews, had reviews (and threads to do with tailmaking) removed from our previous site, and tried to have our site shut down. All while still sending out late, badly or incorrectly made tails while lying about his materials. Sorry, but I don't really see how people are so horrible for not supporting that kind of behavior. He did apologize for attacking our site, which I thanked him for. As a community member, I can forgive and move on as I believe he is trying hard to better his business and perhaps even himself- and life is too short to live with grudges and hate. As an admin I have extended several compromises to him in private (and his boyfriend as well- at times to the level it became unfair to the rest of the users on the forum for overlooking issues in effort to try and make it work) to try and rebuild relations because I think it's important. Thus I believe some of Aela's statements made are unfair.


As a community member I support Stevi as a fellow community member because her hear is in the right place, and it shows through her business. But that is my personal standing. If people want to look at what she has and hasn't done and not support her or her business then we'll agree to disagree and that's fine.

As an admin, if people have a problem with her or any other tail maker then exercise your rights. Try and work it out with the tailmaker first, but if need be take action. It doesn't matter who it's from- very overdue and/or badly made tails aren't acceptable. Contact the BBB, get a refund from your bank/credit card company/paypal, ect or take legal action. Whatever you feel is necessary as it is your money and your purchase, it's your decision. When your wait or your fight, is over and you either have a tail or not.. share your experience in the review section. If you post in the review system there are no comments allowed, and is drama/argument free.

[SeaGlass Siren]

:bulldozer:
:Cue drama bulldozer:

[Whisper]

Why does this thread need to go to the drama thread? Just curious.

[Kanti]

It always seems that whenever someone has something sny to say about the mertailor or he is brought up
in a case that doesn't call for it, it isn't moved into the drama thread.

I don't think anyone is being unfair in this thread for talking about their feelings about Stevi because as far
as I've seen it all relates to her line of work or her actions throughout the process. It's the "OH YOU THINK
THAT'S BAD, WELL CHECK OUT WHAT THE MERTAILOR'S BEEN DOING" that's uncalled for, dramatic, and off-
topic. It never gets the same treatment. Imagine if we had a mertailor thread and someone brought up
Stevi all of a sudden. "Oh yea, your tail hasn't arrived for 5 months but GUESS WHAT, Stevi's been posting
mean stuff on her wall lately!" People would definitely call that out more and be confused. It'd also probably
get moved to the drama thread.

Also no one is passing an unfair judgement on Stevi, they're just being honest. I am really glad she's offering
refunds, I hope she pulls through with it, but in the end she seems to just need more organization if she wants
to keep being a tailmaker. It's a lot of work.

Also, Iona did you get any of my private messages? I'm curious at this point because I asked you for help and
I wasn't given a response, twice.

[SeaGlass Siren]

i dont know the whole fishbutts and mertailor deal. i havent been in the community long enough to know the details, therefore i dont think i am in a position to know about it. and it's none of my business. but the whole name throwing, kanti i agree with you! it's unnecessary.

[AniaR]

Hey everyone, I see the conversation has moved on, but since I was publicly called out I feel I have the right to defend myself, for which the mods can use their own judgement if it needs to be moved. You can scroll past this to the ---------- if you feel like not reading it.


Now I am really disappointed when Raina advised everyone that she has had her hand in this, advising “"I actually suggested they turn the wall off and redirect people to email so they can keep track of who is who and put stuff in folders etc. Plus FB will automatically hide some wall posts and you don't always get notifications. Also a certain person was making fake accounts to feed off the drama and make it LOOK like there were more angrier customers than there actually are. Which was really disappointing because it only took 2 clicks to see who they actually were." Only spreading more rumours and drama. And what right, exactly, does Raina have telling Fish Butts customers to be patient and wait, when she has never purchased anything from Fish Butts herself? The nerve she and Iona have to tell Fish Butts customers to calm down and essentially playing down their worries is disgusting. If it was Eric, these two would be tearing strips off of him like they always do. What Raina has for Eric is nothing but pure hatred thinly disguised behind a cloy smile and a fake “I only want him to do a good job” excuse.

Hi Aela, thought you left the side for good -again- when someone disagreed with you? It's frustrating when people frequently leave the site and then come back to post drama and then leave again.

You've got a few things wrong here. #1. I have not said to anyone to be patient, and wait and their tail will come through. Never. I've done nothing but express sympathy. Also, your post here? Identical to an email they received from someone else, who is apparently not you? That's confusing. I'm also confused why you'd be upset that I point out an actual Fact about the situation (people making fake accounts to post on fishbutts wall, it's not a rumour and I know you KNOW that, but you can go on as much as you like. Just because things weren't posted here doesn't mean a huge amount of community members didn't watch it unfold on FB) since I've never purchased a tail, when you yourself and the other people who are making fake accounts and fb pages ALSO have never purchased a tail. It's a community happening, I have every right to add to the conversation the things I have observed. If you'd *like* me to take it that extra step of drama forward and perhaps post a video showing the tracking of the fake accounts and who is actually responsible for them- sure. But you seem to frown upon that sort of behaviour.

#2 Eric and I have been on excellent terms since December. Ask him yourself. We email regularly, and have been working together on a project for Tail Flip. I actually haven't said anything negative toward mertailor in a very long time, the last time there was even the slightest hint of drama came from his materials thread- for which he and I emailed directly and privately to discuss, and then I made a statement on his behalf for the community. It's been a LONG time since people have melted into a big hate on when a bad review happens. And bad reviews for Eric have been few and far between in the past year.

So really? I'm getting tired of the BS hate on you have for me, when I go out of my way to be respectful to you. Whenever you don't like something I do, you always try to present it in this very black or white all good or all bad way and It's getting annoying. You seem to have a personal issue with me, that I WISH you'd take up with me. Because I constantly feel like you pull this kind of stuff on me and then I go out of my way to show you I am capable of disagreeing with you on something but still being civil in other posts and online.
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In terms of the whole Fishbutts thing:

I have Stevi as a friend on FB. I don't know her any better than I know most of you. I know from having her on FB the stuff she was going through, and I understood. However, I like many of you, was worried this exact thing would happen. I did not stand there and give her fake support or hope that she could pull it all off. I expressed my concern- the same concerns all of you have to her. She insisted she wanted to try anyway. So after many conversations, I realized she'd have to figure this out on her own as many tail makers do. My tail from Raven did not come in the time frame I expected because of all sorts of similar stuff Raven went through. I hoped Stevi could pull this all off, but she couldn't. I'm sad. Sad for her, Sad for others. I have talked with many other mers who have had concerns, and even helped them when they wanted to post about them without causing drama. I validated their concerns and gave them suggestions, and checked in with Stevi. I never ONCE told people it'll work out in the end or they would get their tails etc. I DO NOT DEFEND the situation or Stevi. I have done nothing but validate that people have every right to be upset, and that I hope for everyone's sake it all gets resolved. When Lexia came to me with concerns about Stevi's materials, I knew it would start drama for Stevi, but I couldn't ignore Lexia's points- they were valid. SO Lexia and I talked about it, and Stevi and I talked about it. Lexia made her post, I supported her, but when I felt like all my concerns were addressed I bowed out.

I actually tried to stop coming onto the site this week after a conversation with several upset customers and after talking to Rose because I felt like I was being put in the middle between a friend who was in over her head, and community members I care very much about. I can't defend Stevi for not being able to follow through with everything. But you know what? I most CERTAINLY will call out people making FAKE FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS in order to pretend they are angry customers to make it look like there are more than what there are- especially when some of those same people have been doing it to me (though I don't post about it often) and sometimes don't even bother to go the fake name route. Stevi doesn't post about it publicly, but certain people in the community harass her frequently. I'm not talking constructive criticism or even annoyance. I'm talking out-right threats, extreme hate, and cyberstalking. The police have been involved before, and they don't exactly hop in because someone online is being stupid. And you know what? I do that for everyone. I'm a bit tired of this mentality kicking around with the odd members who aren't active with this end of the community, that I play favourites or have a hate on for certain people etc, when I go out of my way to express my own experiences and opinions, and respond appropriately to others and be balanced. I work my butt off at it, and I honestly think people see that, and the people who have an issue with me simply use it to press a button and get a rise out. In fact, people who have harassed me, I still stick up for when I think it's appropriate. I get PMs constantly about a certain person and I encourage people to make their own decisions based on their own experiences. This is a COMMUNITY and it is what we MAKE it. If we turn our heads to this "drama" simply because it's easier for us to be a bystander- sooner or later that drama will get turned on you and you'll wish you had a community to support you. I appreciate that not everyone wants to be involved or read all this stuff, I feel that only a small fraction of the mer-drama that happens actually winds up here and it's usually because people need to discuss it to move past it or resolve it. Not everyone may agree with my headstrong approach to calling this stuff out, and that's fine. But at the end of the day, this community will dissolve into cliques and "sides" if some people have their way. It's supposed to be an ocean, not a freaking small pond. I believe me bringing it up is relevant, because if you believe there's SO many unhappy customers, you should know a good portion of those unhappy customers are fabricated!

A few years ago, things were different. Mertailor learned a hard lesson- and that time has passed. The "Raina hates mertailor" excuse just isn't going to work anymore.

I sincerely hope fishbutts can resolve all of this, because I think that would be the best for all parties involved. I think it's huge they're offering a refund- because other tail makers never did that before and I know the state Stevi is in so I know that's not easy for her to do. But I think it's better to offer refunds and clear the slate and start over and try again. People know what's happening. There's been no attempt to hide it so people wouldn't know there's been issues and trouble. The page is updated frequently- they aren't trying to pretend like the business isn't suffering. There's transparency. If an individual knowing all that still decides to place an order- that's their prerogative.

Eric would have never climbed out of his own big explosion, if it hadn't been for people who despite all the bad press decided to take a chance on him anyway. I believe Claudio was one of the first people to get one of his silicone tails- and that was despite the fact that Claudio's first tail had loads of problems and there was a lot of drama. So if someone wants to be like Claudio and still go with fishbutts despite everything that's happening, well, I hope they end up happy like him too.

[Winged Mermaid]

Also, Iona did you get any of my private messages? I'm curious at this point because I asked you for help and
I wasn't given a response, twice.

I got one PM from you. It's not that I don't agree. However I've found that drama comes in waves, and in times like this I let the wave play itself out and pass. Then I come back and do cleanup in terms of moving things. Inevitably drama bombs of posts will be made, and everyone will want their say, and there will be back and forth. If I move things in the middle, people will still respond in topic and others will be left confused which can lead to more chaos than it's worth. Including more threads about the same thing. Better to let everyone have their say and get it out of their system. I've done this several times and it seems to work well.

As for not moving Mertailor related posts, that was before we developed the system that we have now. It's tricky trying to deal with drama, and what is drama and what is relevant. We don't edit or censor people unless it's absolutely necessary (hasn't happened yet) but we try and find a way to keep it relevant and edit out needless drama. Needless drama and relevant drama are complicated. And as it stands right now I'm doing this alone, while trying to gauge my actions by the user's thoughts/opinions and what my gut tells me as someone who struggles to remain neutral as possible as an admin. (Though as a community member I have the right to post my opinion as well, and I usually state that I am posting as such, or say when I am putting something out there speaking as admin.)

[SeaGlass Siren]

:bulldozer:

[Kanti]

.... Okay that last post seriously needs to be filtered to the drama thread. Raina you are LITERALLY singling people out
to start fights at this point. As I mentioned earlier there was NO reason for you to make claims that there was someone
making fake posts to Stevi's wall because, honestly, WHO CARES? NO ONE. Like I said we have REAL PEOPLE with REAL
PROBLEMS who couldn't give a sh*t whether or not someone was posting fake things. Incase you didn't read the title of
the thread, there are REAL people who have $200 or MORE at stake and couldn't care less to hear about drama. Another
thing, if those people were so obviously fake, Stevi could have just deleted their posts individually. Problem solved, no drama.

Aela was not even being dramatic, she was angry that you WERE starting rumors at that point. I don't honestly know
how you even figured out how or who was making fake accounts and I honestly don't care how you figured it out either.
We don't need some video because all that does is make DRAMA that can be completely avoided by you telling Stevi "hey
look, that guy is a fake guy, you should delete his post" if you did have the evidence to prove they were fake.
Another thing is now you're calling Aela out for HER making fake accounts? How is that "defending yourself" as you claimed
in the beginning of your post? How is that even relevant? How does that excuse you from going off-topic and trying to pin
unrelated blame on the mertailor, or Aela or whoever you were even referring to in your original post?
It isn't. You're only escalating the drama further and further and you are the only one who started it.

If you take away Aela's comment about you, her post was completely relevant. She was disappointed that people
were being asked to wait so long without ANY contact from Stevi and that their money was being held ransom.
While I think she was a little more than harsh in her evaluation, it was at LEAST relevant.

Christ this is RIDICULOUS. It is honestly enough.
If you want to call people out for fake facebook accounts go for it. But do it in the DRAMA THREAD that's what it's
for. Not normal threads where people are trying to solve REAL PROBLEMS, not these pseudo-problems that you'd have
to go outof your way to find and make.

[Kanti]

@Iona - then I would have at LEAST appreciated a response rather than to have just been ignored.
I don't mind or care if you disagree with me and I asked for the post to be moved or for the poster to be
warned. When you see drama starting up, you need to squash it at the roots so it doesn't evolve into
what you see above.
With all due respect, you are an admin. Admins need to be able to see drama and either redirect it to
the thread specifically made for drama or they need to warn the person that if they continue talking about
the dramatic subject their posts will be moved.
It's not even censoring, I don't mind drama, I just want it in the drama thread. They can continue talking
about it as much as they want, just get it out of here. This is where we're TRYING to talk about real things.

Also to prevent confusion it's very simple:
You simply move it and say something along the lines of:
"Hey guys sorry, this was getting dramatic, if you want to continue talking about point B, go to [link to drama
thread here]. If you want to continue talking about point A, stay right here."
Having drama in the thread is always a bad thing. As you can see everything has pretty much gone off-topic
Ive always seen response posts like "okay this is getting dramatic" (AKA, the drama bulldoser andrea keeps
posting lol)
Also, moving it AFTER the fact pretty much defeats the entire purpose of moving them anyways. The drama
has already effected the thread and made it go off topic so that people who actually wanted to make relevant
topics sort of don't even want to post.
If you move it, you're not only inviting the people who need to get something off their chests to go and continue
the conversation for as long as they want, but you're also allowing the people in the original thread to be able
to talk about the topic at hand without being put off and not even wanting to participate.

[SeaGlass Siren]

i put two too many : bulldozers : :bulldozer:

[Mermaid Celissa]

Will everyone please just accept this cheesecake and get along?

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/cheesecake-cheesecake-296643_600_478.jpg

[Ayla of Duluth]

I think it's about time for a commercial break. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5gP6lLpCms)

[MermaidBrittany]

Geez, this is the worst part about this site. People turn CONFLICT into DRAMA. Yes it does exist so people need to acknowledge that fact and stop treating it like a disease. Just because people are conflicted does not necessarily mean that they hate each other, it means that they have different opinions! Which is just being human! Not talking about something will just fester and grow into something even worse so not talking about it does absolutely nothing. People need to learn how to debate politely and stop fricking calling people out. YES there will be conflict YES you might be mad at someone. SO TALK ABOUT IT PRIVATELY. Conflict is fine, its just going to happen! Being bitchy and nasty to one another is not.

[Mermaid Celissa]

Interior crocodile alligator... yup, not sleeping.

[Kanti]

Geez, this is the worst part about this site. People turn CONFLICT into DRAMA. Yes it does exist so people need to acknowledge that fact and stop treating it like a disease. Just because people are conflicted does not necessarily mean that they hate each other, it means that they have different opinions! Which is just being human! Not talking about something will just fester and grow into something even worse so not talking about it does absolutely nothing. People need to learn how to debate politely and stop fricking calling people out. YES there will be conflict YES you might be mad at someone. SO TALK ABOUT IT PRIVATELY. Conflict is fine, its just going to happen! Being bitchy and nasty to one another is not.


Wait.. What?
There was no conflict or disagreement. The problem was literally people talking about
their Fishbutt's order delays and Raina literally mentioned that someone was making fake
accounts just to post mean things on Stevi's wall.

That's not a disagreement, it's an irrelevant and drama-inducing thing to say. Aela then took the
bait, called her out, and now Raina is "defending herself" by saying Aela has fake facebook accounts and
that the mertailor was bad at stuff compared to Stevi and whatever else is completely off-topic.

This is pure, 100% drama. A fight. Not a "hey I like blue" "I like green" "WHAT DIFFERENT COLOR!?" fight.
It's not a disagreement or a difference in opinion, it is an outright baited post with a rumor to which
someone got angry at and now it's a big dramatic nonsense when we were originally just trying to talk about
Fishbutts.

[lasserine]

How come, to me, it seemed like Raina was trying to stir up some drama?

[Kanti]

Because it probably was.
It was irrelevant and targeted towards someone. It was baited.

A passive-aggressive way to get someone to react and call them out so that the person who
instigated doesn't seem guilty. Hence how the response was opened with "Oh well since I
was called out, I may as well defend myself".

[lasserine]

Like always, it seems....

[Kanti]

Haha well not ALL the time, but too often for it to be excused and left in the regular threads.
I think it should just be moved to the drama thread, that way if you feel like responding you won't
interrupt the original thread that is probably about something more productive.

[Elle]

Will everyone please just accept this cheesecake and get along?

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/cheesecake-cheesecake-296643_600_478.jpg


OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!!
<3 cheesecake!!!

Let's just look at it like this
A mistake was made, orders probably shouldn't have been taken if you're falling behind.
also probably shouldn't be taken if you choosing to move. Moving takes a lot of time and if your full time job is making tails you are gonna fins you aren't gonna have enough hours in the day.

Amends are trying to be made. This is a nice thing! How about we all focus on the niceness of it all rather than drama from here there and everywhere.
Yes some people don't like Stevi, and some people don't like Eric. and some people don't like......(I think this could go on for a while.....)

Someone stirred up drama, someone used this as a hate post, and someone did something else
and I'm just really confused as to why it has to be like this ALL the time and wishing it would end already.

WHO'S WITH ME!!!

[Kanti]

We're waiting for the dramatic posts to be moved to the drama thread.
Until then, sorry.

[Elle]

We're waiting for the dramatic posts to be moved to the drama thread.
Until then, sorry.



Ah well, such is life.....
I will just tread carefully and try to avoid these threads. There is already waaaaaay too much drama (and crazy) happening in my life

[Kanti]

Yea I agree, that's why we want the stuff moved out of this thread, so you guys can get on with
talking about the relevant stuff xD

[Mermaid Melusinah]

ok... I wasnt going to say anything. because quite frankly i simply just dont give a shit. i really dont. but i have seriously been thinking about it all day. I have had ENOUGH of this. YES I am affiliated with SHadow Fancy. YES I stick by Morticia whole heartedly. I support her and her work. I help with things on the web side of things. That doesnt mean that I am "out to do any other tail maker harm" for fucks sake. i am sick and tired of the two faced bullshit within this community. DONE.
My question on Fish Butts sale post was entirely legitiment. I REALLY was interested in possibly buying a tail. But no. I was met with cold harsh distain simply because i am a shadow fancy affiliate. It's like i said in posts that followed (now deleted and i was promptly banned so sorry, you wont get to see those) but i wasnt aware of this unwritten law that a mermaid HAD to be dedicated and shoved so far up a tail makers ass that they couldnt buy from another maker... Seriously its some bullshit. I am a mother of a toddler and therefore on a TIGHT budget. I NEVER have had an ill wish for stevi or what she does. NEVER. I have my own opinions and keep to myself for the most part. why? to avoid two faced unneeded drama like this. It;s because of the fact that i am on such a tight budget that i even considered getting a fish butt in the fist place. because honestly, i dont think i would ever be able to get a silicone tail any other way. I seriously dont have the funds to just drop $3K on a tail. I just dont. My daughter comes first. and honestly i would feel guilty most likely even spending that kind of money on myself.... but i deserve some thing nice too damnit.
Shadow fancy doesnt do silicone. that is a well known fact. its a dream to have a silicone tail for me. but like i said, budget.
Now, when i posted that question, i was seriously asking it and meaning it. I dont do drama i dont stir drama. Raina i am calling you out. the way you treated me on STEVI'S page was some serious HORSE SHIT. I am sick of seeing you do this to other mers. I sit back and see it ALL day here on MN. some one can go post some thing and you have to come BARGING in out of place like you have all the answers. I WASNT ASKING YOU! YOU ARE A DRAMA STARTER AND A SERIOUS PROBLEM. what you did to me was uncalled for. and the posts that follow yours got deleted and i got banned. i should have been smarter and gotten a screen shot, because now THANKS TO YOU, i looked like a total bitch. and guess what, i was actually conisdering buying. So you can rest easy knowing not only did you COST stevi another customer, but you are nothing more then a drama causing, two faced fan girl in my mind now. I am a VERY easy going person. it takes a LOT to get me upset. it really does. but when i try my best to stay neutral and supportive of everyone and getting treated like THAT, yea... thats a time that i get heated. I have NEVER seen such behavior from "grown and mature professionals" like you ever. you really need to learn to back the FUCK off and keep your nose where it belongs. the question wasnt for you. so please, for the future, before you decide to do this to another mermaid in the community that is supposed to be so united and supportive? go and read back on this post and remember YOU ARE A DRAMA STARTER. and just ask yourself, is this my place?

That being said, My posting on this forum will likely be no more. I am TRULY disgusted with the behavior that i have seen, and Raina YOU are the main issue. if you cant see that you're a constant issue with this sort of thing, well that sounds like a personal problem. IF i post anything within THIS community again, expect it to be brief/ nonexistent. As some one who has always been supportive of others and kept out of any drama, i cant believe that this is the way my genuine question and concern was handled.

I am also 100% disgusted with Fish Butts. Rather then maybe addressing my question and treating me as any other customer (as was the plan) i get my comments removed (except the original) and BANNED?!?!?! yea.... let it be known that i will NEVER recommend ANYONE to fish butts because of the way that i was treated just for asking a question.

To the friends that i have made, i hope that our paths cross in the future.
To the drama llamas and other clique fan girls? Fuck off.

[ShyMer]

It sounds to me like you're leaving because of one particular member, but you say you're fed up with the whole community. Please remember that we're a diverse group, and there's still plenty of people here who are great to talk to. Don't leave because of a few people who you can just avoid anyway.

[Whisper]

Well said. I am sorry that a professional business chose to allow someone outside of their company to treat you this way, on their business page. It is a sad example of what many people have had to deal with and face, when dealing with that business and that person.

For Fishbutt's sake I truly do hope that they can somehow manage to reign in Raina so that she does not run off any other potential business. She is not doing them any favors.

[ButterflyVision]

I'm really sorry for what has happened to u Melusinah even though im still trying to fully process it. I know I didn't have the time to get to know you but like you say I hope our path cross again. I'm truly sorry and wish you happiness.

[Kanti]

It sounds to me like you're leaving because of one particular member, but you say you're fed up with the whole community. Please remember that we're a diverse group, and there's still plenty of people here who are great to talk to. Don't leave because of a few people who you can just avoid anyway.

What she said!


I think MN is a great place with a lot of good people outweighing the bad!
But wow I had no idea you got told out or whatever on the Fishbutts page? I saw the whole "sale post" and I do admit I cringed a bit at the idea of Stevi selling more and possibly digging herself into a bigger hole, but I didn't really read the comments or anything, so I can't say I saw what happened. You're right in the case that Stevi should have taken your post seriously, and regardless of whether or not you're an affiliate of another tailmaker shouldn't matter, but again, if it's only one or two people who were harassing you, you should just block them, not discontinue the entire forum!

As for the situation as a whole, I guess Stevi doesn't want your business, whether that was a good or bad decision on her part, I guess she'll have to decide later on. Raina was probably just defending her and probably jumped to conclusions, but Whisper is right, having an avid fan that calls out potential customers isn't a good thing. Again, that's Stevi's business.

[Mermaid Stark]

Well said, Kanti! I agree! I think Raina does need to back down a little and not speak for others. I know how she feels about Fish Butts and Stevi, but it's not her tail business. I'm sorry this happened to you, Melusinah, but I also agree with ShyMer. You shouldn't leave the community just because of a problem with one member! I hope you change your mind and stay! You will be missed!

[Mermaid Melusinah]

What she said!


I think MN is a great place with a lot of good people outweighing the bad!
But wow I had no idea you got told out or whatever on the Fishbutts page? I saw the whole "sale post" and I do admit I cringed a bit at the idea of Stevi selling more and possibly digging herself into a bigger hole, but I didn't really read the comments or anything, so I can't say I saw what happened. You're right in the case that Stevi should have taken your post seriously, and regardless of whether or not you're an affiliate of another tailmaker shouldn't matter, but again, if it's only one or two people who were harassing you, you should just block them, not discontinue the entire forum!

As for the situation as a whole, I guess Stevi doesn't want your business, whether that was a good or bad decision on her part, I guess she'll have to decide later on. Raina was probably just defending her and probably jumped to conclusions, but Whisper is right, having an avid fan that calls out potential customers isn't a good thing. Again, that's Stevi's business.


I have issues with a few members here.... nothing openly because as i said i DONT like drama and dont start it. so therefore i keep my opinions to myself and just observe. but that doesnt mean that watching them doesnt affect my attitude/respect level towards them..... but there are several mers that I have watched and observed and heard how they have treated others as well... my opinions are entirely my own from my own watchings and things i hear about/read.
my nail in the coffin was the way Raina treated me. Thats what was the deciding factor in my choice to depart... But yes i have issues with other mers, but since they werent the issue THIS time i left them out. but i mean i can call them out as well... i just dont care...

[Winged Mermaid]

If you're going to make a thread that you KNOW will be bulldozed and know is drama related and still want to vent, just post in the drama thread. It still shows up in the feed like any other post, so it's not like it won't get attention for those who want to read. Venting is good, please do it in the right place!

Also just FYI, Raina is on a break from the forum. Just in case you were wanting a reply from any of this. (You can even see in her profile she hasn't even logged in in over a month.)

From a community member perspective, I think the though process of -A tailmaker can't buy from another tailmaker unless they're "up to something" like copying or whatnot- is pretty stupid. Ever since expansion of the mermaid tail market people have gotten nasty with competition. It's a niche market, they're competing for customers, I get that. But all this bs about having to support one person or another is just stupid as well. Artists can respect other artists and their works, and even want on of said works for themselves, and people shouldn't judge one way or another.

However I did see your original comment (though missed the ones after), and honestly it looked like a really backhanded question. It came off to me as "I might be interested, but with how far you're backed up should I even bother with something I couldn't count on a deadline and may ever see my money again" I do remember the "Need to know before I spent $500 that I may never see again" part distinctly. With all the drama Fish Butts has had lately I can't blame them for wanting to shoot down drama before it starts, and honestly it really did look that way. Like drama, I mean- even if you sincerely didn't mean it that way. I didn't see the rest (and it's been removed looks like) so I can't judge how other people reacted to it though, one way or another :/

There are a lot of people who have people in the community who they don't like or even can't stand. We're a group of people who all share something that is very different, so we get all kinds. People not getting along will happen, even if we would rather it not. I tell you what I tell others- use the privacy tools given to you by websites. Block them, put them on your ignore list, ect. If you still want to leave after that it's your choice, but in anything I'd say don't let one fish ruin the sea for you.

[Kanti]

If you're going to make a thread that you KNOW will be bulldozed and know is drama related and still want to vent, just post in the drama thread. It still shows up in the feed like any other post, so it's not like it won't get attention for those who want to read. Venting is good, please do it in the right place!

Also just FYI, Raina is on a break from the forum. Just in case you were wanting a reply from any of this. (You can even see in her profile she hasn't even logged in in over a month.)

From a community member perspective, I think the though process of -A tailmaker can't buy from another tailmaker unless they're "up to something" like copying or whatnot- is pretty stupid. Ever since expansion of the mermaid tail market people have gotten nasty with competition. It's a niche market, they're competing for customers, I get that. But all this bs about having to support one person or another is just stupid as well. Artists can respect other artists and their works, and even want on of said works for themselves, and people shouldn't judge one way or another.

However I did see your original comment (though missed the ones after), and honestly it looked like a really backhanded question. It came off to me as "I might be interested, but with how far you're backed up should I even bother with something I couldn't count on a deadline and may ever see my money again" I do remember the "Need to know before I spent $500 that I may never see again" part distinctly. With all the drama Fish Butts has had lately I can't blame them for wanting to shoot down drama before it starts, and honestly it really did look that way. Like drama, I mean- even if you sincerely didn't mean it that way. I didn't see the rest (and it's been removed looks like) so I can't judge how other people reacted to it though, one way or another :/

There are a lot of people who have people in the community who they don't like or even can't stand. We're a group of people who all share something that is very different, so we get all kinds. People not getting along will happen, even if we would rather it not. I tell you what I tell others- use the privacy tools given to you by websites. Block them, put them on your ignore list, ect. If you still want to leave after that it's your choice, but in anything I'd say don't let one fish ruin the sea for you.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i14/marchtrpt4bhs/GIFs/tumblr_lk7xheTz4m1qashe0.gif

I agree so hard Iona.
Except for the comment part, really, I didn't get to see what went down, but it sounds real bad o_o

[Coradion]

Everything Melusinah has said about Raina I've personally experienced from her as well in different threads... She's even gone as far as to speak for companies and individuals and make accusations that are 100% fabricated. Like she was telling me that the aquarium I worked for contacted her about mermaid information when it definitely did not... I even checked with our director on the off chance I was wrong and I was not. She immediately jumped to speak for groups that she does not represent in any way.

My experience with this site is that there are some truly wonderful people and I've met a lot of creative and beautiful friends some of which I have met or get to swim with regularly and work on tails with like Mermaid Harmony and Ayesha, but I don't want to share a lot of what I've learned or know anymore because of Raina. There are only two individuals I've really had bad experiences with and they're enough to keep me from posting quite a few things. It really just took a couple bad interactions with her where in some cases we were even agreeing on subjects but she got aggressive anyways and refused to talk to me in pm's instead of on the open boards. If she wanted to actually resolve things or examine our differences and try and work together on getting along she would have worked together with me and talked it out. Instead she just continued to try and pick fights on all my posts and never messaged me privately. I get that she's friends with a lot of people and she does have a lot to offer the community as far as knowledge goes, but it's hard to see that when she's going after you.

I don't know all the details of Melusinah's interaction with Raina but my experiences have been eerily similar to what I've read from her posts and I can see her frustration, I've experienced it myself. Sometimes you just need a good vent session to other people in the community, rather than really discuss the topic further it might be more constructive to just see her point of view and remember it for the future, maybe address certain specific areas of posts and how they "could" be perceived so future posts from everyone are more eloquent and accurately reflect the poster's intent so there is no ambiguity. Ambiguity benefits the party which did not write it which is something that is often taken advantage of on the internet.

As a side note, the drama thread is like the biggest one on the site, if you post something here can everyone also try to post one or two art or creative posts. Those are more fun to read and I like my daily fix of inspiration which there has not been enough of lately.

[Mermaid Caspiana]

I mean, not to be mean... But if *this person* is being such a jerk to multiple people... Someone should bring his/her name out for public notice and embarrassment. Just in my opinion. It is deserved.

[Kanti]

I mean, not to be mean... But if *this person* is being such a jerk to multiple people... Someone should bring his/her name out for public notice and embarrassment. Just in my opinion. It is deserved.

I agree. It's not bullying or picking on if we can all decide that maybe that person comes on a bit strong, or is sometimes mean, etc etc.

Hell, I know I get worked up sometimes, it's the internet, you can't see the person you're talking to. Sometimes we assume things.

[Mermaid Caspiana]

I agree. It's not bullying or picking on if we can all decide that maybe that person comes on a bit strong, or is sometimes mean, etc etc.

Hell, I know I get worked up sometimes, it's the internet, you can't see the person you're talking to. Sometimes we assume things.


Ya. Someone should say so every mer out there, whether modeling, acting, tail making, etc., can know not to friend this person, and if it is the same person harrassing, to report it to whomever needed.

[MermaidBrittany]

I feel like the initial question asked on the post was completely justified. Backhanded or not, its very reasonable.
And how ridiculous to get banned??
I HATE it when people put words in the mouths of others, its really irritating! If everyone could speak for themselves however, much of this thread would not exist.

How pathetic is it that someone seriously spends a large amount of their time bullying people?? And on this site? Do people really have no other way to spend their time??

[Mermaid Caspiana]

I feel like the initial question asked on the post was completely justified. Backhanded or not, its very reasonable.
And how ridiculous to get banned??
I HATE it when people put words in the mouths of others, its really irritating! If everyone could speak for themselves however, much of this thread would not exist.

How pathetic is it that someone seriously spends a large amount of their time bullying people?? And on this site? Do people really have no other way to spend their time??

Ya. People disgust me these days. Having nothing better to do but hurt others so they feel better about them selves. I see it everyday. I try in my own way to stop it. But nothing can really change people. :( sadly.

[Mermaid Caspiana]

And I really don't want Raven to stop here amazing gift as a mermaid!

[Kanti]

Ya. Someone should say so every mer out there, whether modeling, acting, tail making, etc., can know not to friend this person, and if it is the same person harrassing, to report it to whomever needed.

Well I mean, telling people to not friend them and stuff seems a bit much xD
I think everyone should get a chance to redeem themselves and not feel like they have a giant wall inbetween them and any possibility of them making any friends, but that doesn't mean they should get off for being mean either.
I think what we're doing now, being open about things and talking about problematic people, is fine, because we bring it into the light, people don't feel scared or on the spot to share their experiences. This way when things repeat in the future, say the person starts being mean, people will be less scared or shy when it comes to bringing it up. Doesn't mean you have to SHAME the person for being mean, you just tell them "hey that sounded a little mean, don't jump to conclusions" or just a "don't be mean". You can keep someone in check without being confrontational, I think.

[Mermaid Caspiana]

Well I mean, telling people to not friend them and stuff seems a bit much xD
I think everyone should get a chance to redeem themselves and not feel like they have a giant wall inbetween them and any possibility of them making any friends, but that doesn't mean they should get off for being mean either.
I think what we're doing now, being open about things and talking about problematic people, is fine, because we bring it into the light, people don't feel scared or on the spot to share their experiences. This way when things repeat in the future, say the person starts being mean, people will be less scared or shy when it comes to bringing it up. Doesn't mean you have to SHAME the person for being mean, you just tell them "hey that sounded a little mean, don't jump to conclusions" or just a "don't be mean". You can keep someone in check without being confrontational, I think.


i agree. But I hope he/she doesn't hurt anyone so badly that they'd want to stop mermaiding. Especially Raven and Raina. It would be a terrible shame.

[Coradion]

I would not suggest public display of calling someone out. That is a pretty negative attack and can only make things worse. With the person in question it may be better to work on some official mernetwork rules. Like if you violate them you risk being banned. To just call them out on stuff is what they thrive on, drama is their life so to react that strongly would just fuel their self righteous nature. It would be better to make a new standard everyone agrees to abide by that way people will be forced to change a little or be removed from the site by their own actions. Perhaps moderated posting? Like before certain people's posts go up they must be approved by a mod.

[Moonflower]

I think everyone here should (and, for the most part, everyone does) follow Wheaton's Law (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wheatons-law). If you don't like people speaking on your behalf, then you shouldn't be speaking on anyone else's. The same goes for, if you wouldn't say it to someone's face, then DON'T say it on the internet. If you've had a bad experience with someone, yes, you can CONSTRUCTIVELY write out your issues, but don't cite any other instances unless they are your own, or unless they have already been posted somewhere credible by someone else.

This is a small community, and we need to SUPPORT one another, or we all run the risk of looking like fools and crazies to the general public! This is one of my biggest fears, actually...
I go to a lot of anime and scifi conventions, and while I'm not a "furry" myself, I have friends who are... but because there's a huge misunderstanding that "people in fur suits are all deviants who do it so they can have sex in those costumes", I have other friends who make fun of them and laugh behind their backs. The general public isn't going to take the time to understand, because they just don't care to. But, because one or two people put it out there that "that's what all furrys do", the whole community suffers from that stigma. One or two people can ruin it for the rest. One or two people can make the public think the wrong things. One or two people can, in fact, ruin it for everyone else. Let's NOT become the next big joke, please! Keep it professional, no matter what someone else might say. You'll only look like the better person when others see it, anyway.

[Ayla of Duluth]

Can someone do a tl;dr for me?

[Kanti]

I would not suggest public display of calling someone out. That is a pretty negative attack and can only make things worse. With the person in question it may be better to work on some official mernetwork rules. Like if you violate them you risk being banned. To just call them out on stuff is what they thrive on, drama is their life so to react that strongly would just fuel their self righteous nature. It would be better to make a new standard everyone agrees to abide by that way people will be forced to change a little or be removed from the site by their own actions. Perhaps moderated posting? Like before certain people's posts go up they must be approved by a mod.

What sort of rules could it be?
In the case of someone being aggressive it can be hard to really claim that they are being aggressive, as I think they could just turn around and say they weren't. I mean, some rules could work. We apparently had a few people banned before but I'm not sure what they did exactly. We have rules but there are no clear "this will get you banned if you do it" rule.
As for the approval posting stuff, that might be a bit tedious. Only Iona and Malinghi run the forum and sometimes they're not always on, so while that seems like a good idea on paper the person might feel excluded since their replies wont get to the forum while they're online. I guess if the person is really troublesome then that might just be what happens to them as punishment?

[Angel the Little Merman]

Could we all just get along already!? Just saying.... Lover here, not a fighter!

[Kanti]

Angel, this IS the drama thread haha
This is where people go to vent when they feel angry or confrontational about something.

[Angel the Little Merman]

I know, but still don't you feel all of this seems a wee bit rash?

[Mermaid Caspiana]

I would not suggest public display of calling someone out. That is a pretty negative attack and can only make things worse. With the person in question it may be better to work on some official mernetwork rules. Like if you violate them you risk being banned. To just call them out on stuff is what they thrive on, drama is their life so to react that strongly would just fuel their self righteous nature. It would be better to make a new standard everyone agrees to abide by that way people will be forced to change a little or be removed from the site by their own actions. Perhaps moderated posting? Like before certain people's posts go up they must be approved by a mod.

Now that you mention that... That would be a really good idea. It would save feelings being hurt and possibally careers being ruined. Good job on that idea. ;) :)

[Kanti]

I know, but still don't you feel all of this seems a wee bit rash?
I don't really think so, but why do you think that?
I mean, we're not calling anyone names or being immature, we're discussing things pretty normally.
I think it's worse that people cause drama in regular threads under the guise that they're not.

[Kanti]

Everything Melusinah has said about Raina I've personally experienced from her as well in different threads... She's even gone as far as to speak for companies and individuals and make accusations that are 100% fabricated. Like she was telling me that the aquarium I worked for contacted her about mermaid information when it definitely did not... I even checked with our director on the off chance I was wrong and I was not. She immediately jumped to speak for groups that she does not represent in any way.

My experience with this site is that there are some truly wonderful people and I've met a lot of creative and beautiful friends some of which I have met or get to swim with regularly and work on tails with like Mermaid Harmony and Ayesha, but I don't want to share a lot of what I've learned or know anymore because of Raina. There are only two individuals I've really had bad experiences with and they're enough to keep me from posting quite a few things. It really just took a couple bad interactions with her where in some cases we were even agreeing on subjects but she got aggressive anyways and refused to talk to me in pm's instead of on the open boards. If she wanted to actually resolve things or examine our differences and try and work together on getting along she would have worked together with me and talked it out. Instead she just continued to try and pick fights on all my posts and never messaged me privately. I get that she's friends with a lot of people and she does have a lot to offer the community as far as knowledge goes, but it's hard to see that when she's going after you.

I don't know all the details of Melusinah's interaction with Raina but my experiences have been eerily similar to what I've read from her posts and I can see her frustration, I've experienced it myself. Sometimes you just need a good vent session to other people in the community, rather than really discuss the topic further it might be more constructive to just see her point of view and remember it for the future, maybe address certain specific areas of posts and how they "could" be perceived so future posts from everyone are more eloquent and accurately reflect the poster's intent so there is no ambiguity. Ambiguity benefits the party which did not write it which is something that is often taken advantage of on the internet.

As a side note, the drama thread is like the biggest one on the site, if you post something here can everyone also try to post one or two art or creative posts. Those are more fun to read and I like my daily fix of inspiration which there has not been enough of lately.

By the way Coradion, sorry, I meant to respond to this earlier, but I think you're pretty much right with your summary of things.
Raina does tend to speak for people she honestly shouldn't be speaking for in the first place.
I think a clear example of this right now is how she's defending FishButts when she has basically zero affiliation with them at all. She constantly defends Stevi's work when she has never owned or put on a Fishbutt's tail and as far as I know, she's not affiliated with them in any way? I've never seen her or Stevi together for anything, be it modeling tails, support groups, anything.
Not to mention the business advice she's been giving Stevi lately hasn't been the best. Or at least what she claims. I know Raina is considered a performer, but she is NOT a business person, the two are completely separate. She doesn't understand what it is to have customers waiting for a product that you have to make and she has no idea what the process of making a tail is even like, yet she supposedly suggested what Stevi's actions should be at times and even DEFENDS Stevi rather aggressively when people suggest that maybe she shouldn't be taking anymore orders if she's REALLY backed up.
I have a feeling someone needs to tell Stevi that Raina is not exactly the best person to take business advice from and someone needs to define what a business is to Raina.

I'm not sure if it's just her trying to be right all the time but it's honestly really hard to think of an excuse other than that when the only reason for her to lie about something YOUR OWN aquarium said could be nothing other than for her to have won that argument.

[FreshWaterMermaid]

Hoping I wont get attacked by whoever started this topic... but...
I'm starting to really think that's this thread is the most childish, stupid, and drama causing topic on this forum (they're are still others that are silly too, but aren't as negative as this).

I understand this forum has a wide range of members from all over the world, all age ranges, personality types, ant etc. And we should all try to embrace our differences and be KIND to each other. The world is so hateful and full of conformists, and as a COMMUNITY I feel we should at least try to get along ans vent in our own homes with the door closed and computer off.
I keep rolling my eyes at times at how immature this forum can be. I saddens me as an adult(who still is a child inside) and a mer.

So there's my vent and 2 cents.

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[Kanti]

Well, that's pretty much what it's made for..?
For people to get out their childish, stupid, drama-causing stuff out so it won't be bottled up and people won't stay mad at each other or have even MORE emotion behind negative feelings.
No offense, but it is seriously getting annoying that we keep having people come into a thread clearly titled "WARNING DRAMA" and then think they have a case to complain how there's drama in here? How does that make sense? If you don't want drama, go to the other 99.8% threads which DONT have drama in them. This thread was created BY ADMINS to that people can vent and it's actually a really good idea to keep it all in here rather than have it running around in regular threads.

This is actually pretty tame compared to what normally goes on where people actually pick fights or do things, we're just actually talking about stuff in a pretty civil manner now.
I guess the topics are "controversial" but that's really about all that's going on at the moment.

[MermaidBrittany]

Well, that's pretty much what it's made for..?
For people to get out their childish, stupid, drama-causing stuff out so it won't be bottled up and people won't stay mad at each other or have even MORE emotion behind negative feelings.
No offense, but it is seriously getting annoying that we keep having people come into a thread clearly titled "WARNING DRAMA" and then think they have a case to complain how there's drama in here? How does that make sense? If you don't want drama, go to the other 99.8% threads which DONT have drama in them. This thread was created BY ADMINS to that people can vent and it's actually a really good idea to keep it all in here rather than have it running around in regular threads.

This is actually pretty tame compared to what normally goes on where people actually pick fights or do things, we're just actually talking about stuff in a pretty civil manner now.
I guess the topics are "controversial" but that's really about all that's going on at the moment.


Agreed!

[Mermaid Kelda]

Just thought I'd add that, if there's a problem with a member on the forum, it's important for the whole thing to be honest and in fresh air. Having a thread like this is a good idea, so we don't start getting backstabbing and subtle rudeness and whatnot; if everyone posts things honestly, it means there's no assuming and misinterpreting. I'm all for a place where people are able to calmly and openly post their thoughts on issues.

[Blondie]

I agree with Kanti.

Sending people to their corners and telling them to be nice and get along with one another all the time does not solve issues.

People need to talk things out and let others give their opinions here. It will help people understand one another, reach agreements, help others see another way, and let out what is true and what isn't. Drama is everywhere. You will NEVER escape it. If you're civil and mature about it, it only helps people grow and understand.

[Kanti]

I've decided to make a game out of it.
Everytime someone asks us to "get along" or "please stop the drama" in the drama thread I'm just going to take a shot lol

[lasserine]

Sounds like you will be drunk, in no time.

[MerEmma]

I've decided to make a game out of it.
Everytime someone asks us to "get along" or "please stop the drama" in the drama thread I'm just going to take a shot lol


Ohmygosh, I laughed SO HARD. xD

[Elle]

I've decided to make a game out of it.
Everytime someone asks us to "get along" or "please stop the drama" in the drama thread I'm just going to take a shot lol


oh Kanti, can't we all just get along :D :D :D :D

I couldn't help it.
Also.....would you kindly stop the drama. :lol: :lol:

A new use for your livestream, :)

[Kanti]

Lmfao
Oi! You're going to destroy my liver here xD

[Elle]

Lmfao
Oi! You're going to destroy my liver here xD


Your liver re-generates....it'll be fine :)

[Kanti]

O: it does?
That's pretty cool!
I still like to treat it to some cranberry juice at times to help it out, as I've been told that helps it filter xD

[Ayla of Duluth]

Come on guys, lets all get along now. -jello shot-

[Kanti]

*irish cream shot* xD

[Azurin Luna]

It's a good thing mers don't have cars or boats for that matter ;)

[Alveric]

Cars? Ever try driving a car with a tail? There's something to get worked up about. Why are there no Mer-friendly vehicles! :mad:

[SeaGlass Siren]

i'm taking ten vodka shots xD

[Elle]

O: it does?
That's pretty cool!
I still like to treat it to some cranberry juice at times to help it out, as I've been told that helps it filter xD


Yeah I'm not sure how fast they re-gen, but they definately do.
It takes a lot of alcohol for permanent damage

[Kanti]

Very nice info
But speaking of cyber bullying, Raina, I think you owe Mermaid Melusinah an apology.
You made her very upset.

[Whisper]

Very nice info
But speaking of cyber bullying, Raina, I think you owe Mermaid Melusinah an apology.
You made her very upset.

Agreed - GREAT information to know and have access to. More people need to understand EXACTLY what constitutes cyber-bullying and what can be done about it.

I also agree that there definitely is an apology due for the behavior that was presented and the accusations that were made. It is sad to see such behavior from a professional. Just my thought.

[AniaR]

I also agree that there definitely is an apology due for the behavior that was presented and the accusations that were made. It is sad to see such behavior from a professional. Just my thought.

Which isn't really yours, or Kanti's decision. Or have anything to do with this thread since neither of you have the full context of what was first said and replied. If melusinah would like to email me about her issue, she is more than welcome to. You all have said MUCH worse about me, without any proof, while I still retain the screen shots of this conversation ;) If you want to be dramatic, head to the drama thread.

[Whisper]

No drama intended - simply expressing my opinion. That it differs from yours is allowed. And I DO know the full context of the original posts. Do you really think that you are the only getting screen shots of conversations to prove what was said, when things are deleted?

The post on cyber-bullying is awesome. Thank you so much for providing the information to all. Not many know where to start looking for this kind of information. You have done everyone a great service and I thank you for it.

Blessings

[Kanti]

Which isn't really yours, or Kanti's decision. Or have anything to do with this thread since neither of you have the full context of what was first said and replied. If melusinah would like to email me about her issue, she is more than welcome to. You all have said MUCH worse about me, without any proof, while I still retain the screen shots of this conversation ;) If you want to be dramatic, head to the drama thread.

?So then address the issues if you think they're false? If you had a problem with anything said, please address it (in the drama thread), as nothing that was said was meant to be a personal jab, it was all legitimate concerns/comments about stuff that has happened. We wouldn't waste our time making up stuff.
The thing with Melusinah was purely wrong, rude and unprofessional: there was no reason for it at all. Apologizing would be the right thing to do and it's sort of sad that you're refusing to, but I'm not going to sit here and pull teeth trying to make it happen, either.

[Merman Arion]

Ok. Something is up and none of us seem to have noticed it. According to some people, there is a connection between The Mertailor's new line, and Oceanika, and wondered about it. An awful lot going on behind the scenes there.

What i saw on Eric's facebook page today. Really strange... What was that about?

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Seriously, what is going on? Is there a problem with Oceanika and Eric's new line ?
I tried to do some research but i failed to find anything. They have the same function but they are differents.

Edit : The purpose of my thread isn't for putting drama, i just want to understand and hear the truth.
Everyone is entitled to share their thoughts.

[AniaR]

This is one of those situations where I know more than I should. I'm sure the community will speculate and drama will occur. But really the only thing that sets it straight is if both parties involved share their story. I'm sure Eric will/ has shared his judging by his post, and sometimes he'll email me to share his side. I just hope that if there is an issue with someone else they feel supported enough by the community to share their side too. The community isn't exactly known for doing that though. :/

[Mermaid Oshun]

Oh wow! I think his skins would look GREAT with Oceanika's fin!

[Abyssalmer]

Could they possibly just be two people selling monofins? There doesn't have to be drama or back stories or anything, why cant it just be "OH LOOK! ANOTHER MERMAID MONOFIN! How cool!" instead of "Ok. Something is up and none of us seem to have noticed it. According to some people, there is a connection between The Mertailor's new line, and Oceanika, and wondered about it. An awful lot going on behind the scenes there."

Like really? just stop.

[AniaR]

Its not a matter of two people doing something similar. There's a whole legit issue. But really oceanika has to be the ones to say anything if they want to. I honestly think the community would agree but really there's nothing anyone can say or do if they don't wanna talk about it publicly. Its their choice.

[Mermaid Oshun]

so you're saying they partnered up or what are you saying?

I honestly think the community would agree but really there's nothing anyone can say or do if they don't wanna talk about it publicly. Its their choice.

The community would agree to WHAT exactly?

[Abyssalmer]

No they didn't partner because he would have given credit for the partnership and she would have been posting about it too, I think rains is just talking to talk.

[Echidna]

Well, the very first thing I thought when seeing the promo video of the new fin was,
"Hey! Looks just like an Oceanika, just less pretty!"

I don't care who had the idea first.
If I'd get one, it would be the Oceanika, because it has good propulsion.
The new one is just way too floppy, at least if you're planning to swim :lol:

[Merman Arion]

No they didn't partner because he would have given credit for the partnership and she would have been posting about it too, I think rains is just talking to talk.

Ok. You are a new member since a few days with eleven posts so far while Raina is here since two years and wrote 4,863 posts.
I'm not trying to be rude but you are not in a position to judge her.

[Mermaid Cascada]

Wait... Oceanika has fins similar or... I'm so confused lol. Do they have the same fins? Or are they just similar?

[Abyssalmer]

Just because I'm new to this website doesn't mean I'm new to the community, I've actually been follwoing people like hannah , Robert short and eric and mike for years, I probably know just as much as she does, and I've been in contact with all of those people and rainsa doesn't have a good image in any of their eyes, so who am I going to side with, the established people in the community or a girl in a tail?

[Mermaid Oshun]

Cascada I think the rubber may look similar to some people maybe but their shapes are totally different. Then again, the rubber on my Finis looks the same too actually. Those two just happen to both have a slight fish shape where as the other monofins on the market do not look organic in any way.

[Mermaid Cascada]

Cascada I think the rubber may look similar to some people maybe but their shapes are totally different. Then again, the rubber on my Finis looks the same too actually. Those two just happen to both have a slight fish shape where as the other monofins on the market do not look organic in any way.
Oooh! Okay I see! Thankyou!

[Sephina]

Honestly Abyssal Raina does talk with these people often, and is privy to information that she can't share. It's like someone telling you a secret then you spreading it around, it isn't fair to the person who told you, and it is honestly up to the individual business to share that information, or not, at their discretion. Raina has backed up her claims time and time again when she could share information, including screen shots of emails, messages, and posts. I wouldn't doubt her for a second, and for you to come out of no where, and all your posts are pretty much inciting drama, it's going to discredit you. Regardless of if you are in the same position as Raina or not.

[Mermaid Cascada]

Just because I'm new to this website doesn't mean I'm new to the community, I've actually been follwoing people like hannah , Robert short and eric and mike for years, I probably know just as much as she does, and I've been in contact with all of those people and rainsa doesn't have a good image in any of their eyes, so who am I going to side with, the established people in the community or a girl in a tail?
I'm not trying to be rude but I understand where your coming from and everything but your insulting Raina. Raina is a big part of this community and Im surprised you didn't know of her. She is in fact in contact with many of the tail makers. Probably because of the magazine tail flip(about mers) which she happens to write articles for. And before everyone starts freaking out and arguing, I'd like to say that you can share your opinion without insulting someone. <3 and whatnot... Hehehe, I just said whatnot again! Lol :D Sorry I'm so random sometimes.

[Echidna]

Just because I'm new to this website doesn't mean I'm new to the community, I've actually been follwoing people like hannah , Robert short and eric and mike for years, I probably know just as much as she does, and I've been in contact with all of those people and rainsa doesn't have a good image in any of their eyes, so who am I going to side with, the established people in the community or a girl in a tail?

Yep, it's obvious you aren't new to the community :rolleyes:

You have inside knowledge about the mertailor, you defend him in your very first posts, and diss other people like Raina, Raven, and Raven's work in the next.

Then you say this site is bad, and you'll sign up on the mertailor's new one.
Honestly?
What did you come here for then? :confused:

I don't know what your problems might be, but the least you could do is treat people like people, with a bit of respect, you know?

[Abyssalmer]

I came to this site hoping people weren't right about all of you being sheep, and raven your Shepard but they were right.

If you all want to continue following a dead path, it is not my place to tell you no, I will let you find out on your own, I just can't wait to watch how raina and raven try to cover their behinds when it happens.

Good luck to you all, I'm gonna go sign up for a real community site and no hate on each other!

[Abyssalmer]

I cannot defend anyone, I do not have his products or know him personally, but all credibility comes from the amount of information, which is how I know what these two people are like, these are not my words but "Raven is a scam artist who will always look to the person beside her for a concept, and raina is a girl with an unrealistic dream." Just so you think its credible I won't say who it was but I can provide screenshots if needed, but it doesn't change anything, I can't defend anyone because techinically I am not significant. In the community but I've been here since before most of you, and I don't mean to attack anyone honestly, its just kinda work vomit, when my brain thinks it, I type it, people don't like it but thats notmy issue. #sorryboutit

[Mermaid Cascada]

I came to this site hoping people weren't right about all of you being sheep, and raven your Shepard but they were right.

If you all want to continue following a dead path, it is not my place to tell you no, I will let you find out on your own, I just can't wait to watch how raina and raven try to cover their behinds when it happens.

Good luck to you all, I'm gonna go sign up for a real community site and no hate on each other!
Woah woah woah... You're like asking for people to hate on you. No offense but your provoking people... I don't follow Raven and I don't follow Raina. No offense to them i love them and all but Im my own person. We are all our own people. And what you just said really upset me. I mean come on. I am a fan of all tail makers. I like ravens creativity but at the same time I love the Mertailors flukes and bold colors. Just because you like one doesn't mean you have to hate on the other. You want to go to another site with no hate but the truth is you're bringing it. And no offense I'd love to have you stay here and whatnot. This is a community for people who love mers and all. And I hope you don't feel like you have to leave. But maybe be careful what you post because it can seriously offend people. <3

[MerEmma]

Wow, hashtags? I mean they show up everywhere but I wasn't expecting MN, lol.

[Mermaid Cascada]

I cannot defend anyone, I do not have his products or know him personally, but all credibility comes from the amount of information, which is how I know what these two people are like, these are not my words but "Raven is a scam artist who will always look to the person beside her for a concept, and raina is a girl with an unrealistic dream." Just so you think its credible I won't say who it was but I can provide screenshots if needed, but it doesn't change anything, I can't defend anyone because techinically I am not significant. In the community but I've been here since before most of you, and I don't mean to attack anyone honestly, its just kinda work vomit, when my brain thinks it, I type it, people don't like it but thats notmy issue. #sorryboutit
I really don't know how to reply to this. You apologized and then you said it wasn't your problem. I really don't understand how all of this started anymore. Um... Just because you've heard something it doesn't mean you have to attack them or hate on them. Even though you don't mean to do it you keep doing it. You know? You don't have to be a professional or even a tail maker to be significant.

[Mahi Mermaid]

eeeeeeeeeeeeek sooo much drama!!!

[Ashe]

Dang it! I hate waking up and seeing this... it makes me so sad :(

[Merman Arion]

Wow... I went outside for a swim and now that i see this, i'm really disappointed. :(

I don't know who is this "Abyssalmer" but one thing i know for sure : that won't be the last time that we hear from him. *sighs*

[Phoenix Mermaid]

wow...this thread is like having someone b*tch slap you in the face. (excuse my language) It makes me sad too :sad eyes:
Some of the comments make me feel stupid for even liking mermaids (in my opinion)

[deepblue]

Good gawd, if you don't like it here then GO AWAY.

As for the original post, I clicked thinking it was something else, but if it's about Eric and his usual 'someone is causing drama' crap, maybe it'd be best for the forum to leave such things off of here.

Of course I'd be fine with no MerTailor section here at all. All I ever see him say of MerNetwork is ugly and petty.

I'm going to make it my new policy to ignore any thread that has the word MerTailor in the title, because to me? It's where the so called drama that everyone claims is so rampant here is actually focused. Big surprise.

It is not the forum. And really. If you don't like it here, anybody, and all you're going to do is complain, then why are you here? Go where you are happier.

[Ariadne]

Strangely enough, it looks like another situation where an account is made purely to comment on drama and stir up trouble with insults and nastiness...do people really have that much time on their hands? If I were speaking to a real person and not a fake account-made-for-the-purpose-of-stupidity, I would recommend they take it to the Mertailor's Brand Spanking NEW Mermaid and Merman Super Special Never-Been-Done-Before Forum of Awesomeness, where they can join the hoards of non-mer folks singing his praises to the heavens. Have fun with that!

P.S. I hope this person is only pretending to be from Georgia, cause I hate to be ashamed of someone from my beloved state.

[Merman Arion]

If I were speaking to a real person and not a fake account-made-for-the-purpose-of-stupidity, I would recommend they take it to the Mertailor's Brand Spanking NEW Mermaid and Merman Super Special Never-Been-Done-Before Forum of Awesomeness, where they can join the hoards of non-mer folks singing his praises to the heavens. Have fun with that!

LOL :lol:

Amen to THAT, dear mersister :highfive:

[Merman Arion]

It's exactly like you said on another thread... *sighs*

"Gotta love it when people make an account and the first thing they do is post in drama cuz you know nothing suspicious at all about that ever."

[Echidna]

^^I'm so sorry to hear about the bullying and harrassment of that mer-mob, Raina :(
What you described is no longer a disagreement, or even aversion.
It's completely criminal, and I hope the perpetrators won't get away with their doings.

Now, I started out in the community completely neutral.
I never purchased anything from any tailmaker outside Europe, nor did I have anything to do with them.
It's great to be called a sheep obeying someone I don't even know just because I can spot a fake account made for inciting drama from miles away :p

I wonder whether THEY (yep, you know whose circles I mean) realize their "methods" don't win them followers.
The more I read about it, the less I want to have to do with them.

And as I've mentioned somewhere else already; honest criticism is not "drama".
If someone absolutely cannot deal with critique- not even deserved one- and descends into bad-mouthing the people who dared utter it, using fake accounts and alternate personas, even starting schemes to harass them, etc, now I'd call that psychopathic.
The less we have of that in here, the better.

Caltuna out.

[Mermaid~Summer]

You tell him Raina! :D Honestly I have looked at so many different tail makers and personally I think Raven's are the best. It's what I personally prefer and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I also believe that anyone who comes on here to cause drama can go suck on a toad. There is a difference between admiring a person and the work that they do and "following them like sheep". I admire what Raina and Raven have both accomplished in their everyday lives and all that they have accomplished when it comes to the Mer community. I admire them for it and the main reason that people get a serious "hate on" for accomplished people is because they are jealous. I think abyssalmer is probably a jellyfish by now because he is so jelly. Lol get it? Jelly, jellyfish. He can save the drama for his mama because no one else wants to hear it. I love the MerNetwork and have met lots of amazing accomplished people on it. Huzzah for the Network!! :D

[Merman Arion]

I think abyssalmer is probably a jellyfish by now because he is so jelly. Lol get it? Jelly, jellyfish. He can save the drama for his mama because no one else wants to hear it.

:lol ^: Sorry, i couldn't stop laughing. Best comment so far!
That made my day, thank you Mermaid Summer :hug:

[Mermaid~Summer]

:lol ^: Sorry, i couldn't stop laughing. Best comment so far!
That made my day, thank you Mermaid Summer :hug:

You are welcome! You lovely French Merman You! :D The whole jellyfish thing is a new phrase I have been using because of the the "jelly" as jealous stuff I see online. I like jellyfish better :D

[Winged Mermaid]

Strangely enough, it looks like another situation where an account is made purely to comment on drama and stir up trouble with insults and nastiness...do people really have that much time on their hands? If I were speaking to a real person and not a fake account-made-for-the-purpose-of-stupidity, I would recommend they take it to the Mertailor's Brand Spanking NEW Mermaid and Merman Super Special Never-Been-Done-Before Forum of Awesomeness, where they can join the hoards of non-mer folks singing his praises to the heavens. Have fun with that!

P.S. I hope this person is only pretending to be from Georgia, cause I hate to be ashamed of someone from my beloved state.

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?

Think it's time for the :bulldozer:

[AniaR]

the awesome bull dozer of Drama!

:bulldozer:

[Mermaid Varshana]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?
You mean it's....it can't be....but he's a.....really??????

[Mermaid Octavia]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?

All I have to say about that is, "Wow."

[Anahita]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?

**facedesk**

[Merman Arion]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?


You mean it's....it can't be....but he's a.....really??????

I wouldn't be surprised... :doh:

[Mermaid~Summer]

Get em' Iona! :D I like the bulldozer :D

[Mermaid_Dominique]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?

If it is who I think it is than wth! Sad...really sad...

[Merman Arion]

There is something that i would like to share to everybody here. After i created this thread in order to understand better the situation, i got two mails from Eric this afternoon. The first one was agressive while the second one was written with a better tone. Once you have read them, everyone is entitled to share their thoughts.
The situation is very fishy and i know it. Something is definitely not right. Has anyone else got those kind of e-mails?

The first mail :

Hello Alex,

I thought you did not like drama and I thought you were not that kind of person to start something negative.
Evidently you are no better than the rest of the people of the MerNetwork, including Stephanie Brown, known as the infamous "RAINA".
BEFORE you start listening to the unprofessinals of the Mermaid Industry, you should get your facts straight. You are starting nothing but unnecasary drama and lies for know reason. You all are truly the most dramatic, horrible people I have ever met in the world of mermaids. What a HORRIBLE example to promote the mermaid communuty.
Your apology is far from excepted with this type of behavior.

Regards,
The Mertailor Eric Ducharme"

The second mail :

"Alex,

You know the MerNetwork and you know how easy the slightest thing can create drama. If you say something that you really did not mean to say in a particular way, all hell breaks loose. I am all about freedom of speech. Speak on. Positive thoughts all the way around! Just make sure what you are stating is correct and does not seem like you are instigating something. I for one do not support the MerNetwork. There is negative comments and thoughts about me within the MerNetwork, but that is not why I do not like it. I stray away from negative energy. The MerNetwork is not the "Mermaid Community", it is the "Community of the MerNetwork". I plan on supporting a new Mermaid Community that will be filled with positive thoughts for the Mermaid and Merman Souls within in us.

Keep something in mind, plagiarism is referred to in something in writing such as "plagiarizing a book or news paper article". Plagiarism is not referred to someone reproducing a product that is similar to another product. This would be called a copyright infringement or patent infringement. However, my product is completely different than anything available on the market. I have already made sure of this.

If I was "copying" anyone's mermaid monofin product, that would mean that all of the already mermaid monofins produced by other companies would be copying everyone else. Keep in mind that there are already about 3-4 mermaid type monofins available for sale on the market. Mine is completely different. All of these companies produce and sell a mermaid type monofin: Finis, INC., Fin Fun Mermaids, Mahina MerFins, Magictail from Germany, The Dol-fin, & new Mertailor.

I hope you have a wonderful day and please, speak your mind! Just try to speak positively about it!

Regards,

The Mertailor
Eric Jonathan Ducharme"

Honestly, after what happened in the forum this afternoon, it's an awful lot of moves for someone who pretends that he didn't do anything wrong... Something really bad is up.

[AniaR]

Well this is pretty upsetting. :/ I thought Eric and I were on good terms. I've been specifically trying to avoid posting anything negative, only neutral or encouraging on the forum threads. I think I reserve the right to talk about things personally with people, but I didn't even tell you any of my experiences with him prior to all of this! Eric has been emailing me recently a lot, and usually it's nothing bad. It's usually something friendly, or insight into something he's working on, and he invited me personally to merpalooza (which I thought was a big step on his part)

You said you got this email from him this afternoon? This morning (keep in mind the time difference from Paris to NS haha), I got this email from him:


"To a mermaid from another mersoul

Hello Stephanie,

How about Today, it is going to be a great day, a great day to be a mermaid :)

I hope you have a fantastic day!

Enjoy and cherish every moment of it!

Happy mermaiding!

Regards,

The Mertailor Eric Ducharme
Mertailor LLC"



I've been making a genuine effort to just move forward with Eric. I do know another side of the story regarding his new line, but I kept it to myself and encouraged that person to post here instead. I figured he would then either post a response on FB or email me one to post for him. (as he's done in the past). So I guess I've been duped. :(

I'm sorry he went off at you like that, you just made an observation he could of told you his perspective from the start. It's funny to me too, having heard "the other side" it has nothing to do with copying :p

[Anahita]

I don't understand how you're starting something negative? I mean, your post here that I read seemed genuinely confused as to the situation, and honestly, if I paid enough attention to the Mertailor FB page, I probably would have thought the same thing myself.... He posts cryptic updates about things and you can't tell if he's talking about something personal or business related... **shrugs**

[Mermaid Cascada]

Meh... I just realized something weird... Really weird.

[Phoenix Mermaid]

oh wow that whole thread got moved to the drama thread ??

[Mermaid Cascada]

oh wow that whole thread got moved to the drama thread ??
Wow, I guess it did.

[AniaR]

Meh... I just realized something weird... Really weird. what's that?


oh wow that whole thread got moved to the drama thread ??

yeah, standard policy ;)

[Echidna]

meh, thanks for making me post in drama thread retroactively :p

and yea, I knew the IP and account were fake as soon as I read the first three posts of AbysmalMer (pun intended).
quod erat demonstrandum is all I gotta say.

[Mermaid Varshana]

I for one do not support the MerNetwork. There is negative comments and thoughts about me within the MerNetwork, but that is not why I do not like it. I stray away from negative energy. The MerNetwork is not the "Mermaid Community", it is the "Community of the MerNetwork."

FOR FUCK'S SAKE >.<

[AniaR]

http://borderofinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/meme-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg

[Mary Marine]

Okay, I'm new to the community and I haven't been around long enough to form any friendships or biases. That being said, I think the Mertaylor makes absolutely beautiful tails. He was the first tail maker I found looking online and I drolled all over his site. Would I ever buy from him? Even if money was not a factor, probably not. Why? Because looking at how he's handled porblems in the past he seems unprofessional. From recent posts I'd thought he'd gotten better, but looking at how unorganized Merpolooza was now things like this I guess he hasn't. Dissapointing.

Also, is it just me or does his new mer community sound a bit too much like sour grapes? "I didn't wanna be in your secret club anyway, I'll start my own and none of you are invited!" :p

[Ariadne]

And pretending and fake they are. IP says they're in Florida. Wonder who that could be?

Praise the Lawd and pass the biscuits! I can hold my Georgia Peach head high.

Re: Eric's Emails

1. Methinks he protests too much.

2. Learn to use the correct wording to convey what you mean - especially if you're ranting, otherwise you won't be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure Frenchie didn't ask for his apology to be "excepted", if he even offered you one.

3. Raina, you're not famous, you're INFAMOUS! Didn't you know?

4. So happy to know my mermaid soul is in the care of such a sweet and pleasant person. This email just oozes the positive energy swirling around the mermaid community - the dramatic, horrible people that we are should be grateful for the love and light being sent out into the mer-world and we should dance with joy for the one we have waited for has arrived...sorry, I can't even finish, laughing too hard to type.

[AniaR]

you know, I really like you. LOL

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f293cfbe49fca3ebbf418a43845837f/tumblr_mr9whbsaw81sotmc3o1_500.png

[Ariadne]

Hee! Right back atcha, babe! :D

[Anahita]

I think the Mertaylor makes absolutely beautiful tails. He was the first tail maker I found looking online and I drolled all over his site. Would I ever buy from him? Even if money was not a factor, probably not. Why? Because looking at how he's handled porblems in the past he seems unprofessional. From recent posts I'd thought he'd gotten better, but looking at how unorganized Merpolooza was now things like this I guess he hasn't. Dissapointing.

This, yes. Exactly my thoughts. I feel like every time I start to like him again, he does something catty and childish. I will ALWAYS love some of his tails, they're beautiful works of art, and he definitely does his best to showcase them in the best light possible, but seeing how he handles things really makes me just think "Really dude?".

Like, there's a perpetual cycle with him it seems of drama - shape up - drama. He does better, then he shoots himself in the foot. I can't hold him to the Merpalooza thing, because I don't know how much of that was him - I thought he just sponsored it or something and had a display there and wasn't involved in the actual organization of it - but the stuff that he's done recently he can be held to.

[Merman Arion]

US :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m67x26pJb31r4fuk0.gif

HIM :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j3lsTRWO1r4fuk0.gif

[Ariadne]

Love it! Can I be the short one in the back trying to be fierce?

"If you like it, then you shoulda put a tail on it! Oh oh oh..."

[Anahita]

Hahahaa French Merman, that's awesome!

[Mermaid~Summer]

http://borderofinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/meme-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg

HAHAHAHA! I just burst out laughing and scared my dog lol Thanks for the giggle Raina ;)

[Mermaid~Summer]

US :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m67x26pJb31r4fuk0.gif

HIM :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j3lsTRWO1r4fuk0.gif

LOL! I totally adore you! U never cease to crack me up :D

[Mermaid Cascada]

what's that?



yeah, standard policy ;)
When that mer joined they where in the chat box with myself and some others. They asked about our favorite tail makers. I said the Mertailors are pretty but he has bad reviews. As for silicone tails maybe merbellas or mernation. Then someone mentioned finfolk and I was like oh yeah finfolk is pretty. Then the mer (I will not say they're name but you know who Im talking about. The drama mixer.) was all like "I met MerNation at merpolooza and They were so rude to me... Bla blah blah some blah over here and some blah over there and then some chicken blah here.which I don't believe at all. Lol what I'm trying to say is I didnt realize it but they were trying to bad mouth all the tail makers except for a special someone ;and it was weird. I just have a weird feeling and when I get weird feelings Im usually right. It's almost like that one time I had a bad feeling about eating shrimp away a restraunt. I even said before I ate it that I had a bad feeling and then I ended up choking in it and spitting it out in my moms root beer. Sometimes I ask myself why I'm so random... Idk lol

[Sephina]

My problems with Mertailor aside honestly I was starting to think he was doing much better. I was hearing less bad, it seemed tails were getting out on time, I was starting to be happy that things had changed, despite my terrible experience with him. I was glad no one else would get a terrible tail like I did. Then he posted that side by side basically calling out the lynch mob because a girl was not happy with her tail, now this. Though knowing the IP came from Florida, and the nasty emails he sent to French Merman, I can't help but think Raina, maybe he knows the person who incited the drama, and sent the email to you in a condescending way. Like it would be a great day for him to be a mermaid, but wait until the shit hits the fan for you kind of way. If my meaning is getting across since sometimes I'm terrible with words.

[Mermaid Cascada]

US :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m67x26pJb31r4fuk0.gif

HIM :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j3lsTRWO1r4fuk0.gif
Lol! That teletubby!!! O.o wow that thing is creepy. I can't believe I liked hem as a kid...

[AniaR]

you are not the only one to suggest that Sephina. Did you know I even removed all my mertailor posts and warnings from tumblr like, in January? As a show of good faith? Man, so tired of the "new leaf" BS

[SeaGlass Siren]

KUMBAYAAAA MY LORRRRD, KUMBAYAAAA~~~~~

[SeaGlass Siren]

yeah not i'm not contributing anything useful to this thread. :)

[Sephina]

Honestly Raina I'd put em back up. Clearly your show of good faith is not being reciprocated.

[Mermaid Cascada]

SeaGlass Siren, lol!

[Phoenix Mermaid]

US :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m67x26pJb31r4fuk0.gif

HIM :

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j3lsTRWO1r4fuk0.gif

I love the gifs you post! :clap:

[Merman Arion]

Honestly Raina I'd put em back up. Clearly your show of good faith is not being reciprocated.

I second that statement.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m13eo2Hvoc1ql5yr7o1_400.gif

[Ariadne]

Nice. Tell them we wear pink on Wednesdays!

[Mermaid Cascada]

What the heckle!?! I feel like a detective... Lol.

[Mermaid Varshana]

So here's an interesting point: The drama thread has been made so that you can only view it as a member. Some new accounts *just* joined, and by using the member tool I can see what they're viewing... and it's this thread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/lacedkuemper/Married-with-Children-popcorn.gif

[Ariadne]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/lacedkuemper/Married-with-Children-popcorn.gif

Bwahahaha! Hey, it's my turn for the binoculars!

[Merman Arion]

Don't be afraid, girls, it's just Eric passing by.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlliq3K2O1qmb8czo1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v340nb2r1raqay5o1_250.gif

[AniaR]

dat gif. lol

not quite related, but I'm going to start using this one:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fdd1062d3346b1aae8a59babc5f5b626/tumblr_mg860bX56k1rk49lyo1_500.jpg

[Mermaid Cascada]

Oh magic conch; will my Grandma ever stop nagging me? <<< now that wasn't related at all but hey, Im my own granola bar.

[Nausicaa]

Actually Raina I think that it's extremely related lol

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii618/xmissingxtoastx/tumblr_lsi5yoDY1i1qfijfwo1_500_zpsa3a94219.gif (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/xmissingxtoastx/media/tumblr_lsi5yoDY1i1qfijfwo1_500_zpsa3a94219.gif.htm l)

[Arella]

Nice. Tell them we wear pink on Wednesdays!

You can't sit with us!!!! :no-no:

[Anahita]

I second that statement.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m13eo2Hvoc1ql5yr7o1_400.gif

Lol, except that j***eh is like, the worst person to quote for this, because she IS that type of person.

[Mermaid Isabel(:]

I cannot defend anyone, I do not have his products or know him personally, but all credibility comes from the amount of information, which is how I know what these two people are like, these are not my words but "Raven is a scam artist who will always look to the person beside her for a concept, and raina is a girl with an unrealistic dream." Just so you think its credible I won't say who it was but I can provide screenshots if needed, but it doesn't change anything, I can't defend anyone because techinically I am not significant. In the community but I've been here since before most of you, and I don't mean to attack anyone honestly, its just kinda work vomit, when my brain thinks it, I type it, people don't like it but thats notmy issue. #sorryboutit

This angers me more than words can describe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but being rude and insulting while doing so is wrong. I don't know Raven or Raina personally but I have ordered a tail from Raven. She was sweet caring and is not even close to being a scam artist. She wants her customers to have the tail of their dreams and she really does care about what we want. She makes tails AND entertains, let's see you do that. As for Raina I don't know her but when I first looked up mermaiding I came across her and she is truly what inspired me to be myself and realize as long as you can DREAM anything can happen. If it weren't for her I wouldn't have gotten the guts to purchase my tail and hope to start a small entertaining business. If it weren't for her book (which I purchased) I wouldn't have realized not everyone that mermaids is a natural in the water and I can work hard and improve. She has done so much for so many without even speaking to them personally and her dreams THAT ARE COMING TRUE have inspired so many of us to take the leap and just try. So shame on you for lashing out at these two. They've done nothing to you.

[Merman Arion]

Lol, except that j***eh is like, the worst person to quote for this, because she IS that type of person.

I'm sorry but i'm french. I don't know much about american TV-shows :$

How could i know? :doh:

[Ariadne]

You go girl!

[Arella]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_W1_d2g2g&amp;feature=player_embedded#t=16

This sums it up a bit

[Merman Arion]

Honestly Raina I'd put em back up. Clearly your show of good faith is not being reciprocated.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0e7w2xwf01qa6l1ho1_500.gif

The more i think about it, the more i agree. You have done your part while he didn't. He has to face the consequences of his actions.

[Sephina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_W1_d2g2g&amp;feature=player_embedded#t=16

This sums it up a bit
I laughed so hard I had an asthma attack. This is the best thing ever.

[Ariadne]

Note to self: Never read MerNetwork while eating or drinking. That is the third time in 5 minutes I have choked on my sweet tea while reading this thread. Ya'll are off the chain!

[Mermaid Cascada]

I laughed so hard I had an asthma attack. This is the best thing ever.
Then Im not watching it because I swear to God I have a history of laughing until hospitalization.

[Echidna]

Don't be afraid, girls, it's just Eric passing by.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlliq3K2O1qmb8czo1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v340nb2r1raqay5o1_250.gif

Thanks for making me laugh :)

Maybe laughing it all off is indeed the best method to deal with the entire tiresome dramallama.
One should not give the drama lovers the power to influence our lives negatively.

[Anahita]

I'm sorry but i'm french. I don't know much about american TV-shows :$

How could i know? :doh:

LMAO no worries, you didn't know... I don't think anyone else noticed either :)

I actually only know her because she's on this AWFUL show called Shahs of Sunset that has taken like, a dozen mid-price range Persians with bad attitudes and delusions and gave them camera crews and an audience... Of course, they had to do that because decent Persians would never agree to something that stupid :D

[Mermaid Cascada]

What's wrong with that goat?

[Sephina]

What's wrong with that goat?

Nothing. Goats are actually known to be able to mimic Human screams.

[Ariadne]

What's wrong with that goat?
Make that 4 times. I have got to stop giggling and go to bed...

[Mermaid Cascada]

Nothing. Goats are actually known to be able to mimic Human screams.
That's so creepy. No Mer gusta. Hehe get it? Mer? Mer gusta? Wow... I need to get some sleep lol!

[Mermaid Cascada]

Oh! I know! Give it some Chicken Nuggets from McDonalds.

[PearlieMae]

Strangely enough, it looks like another situation where an account is made purely to comment on drama and stir up trouble with insults and nastiness...do people really have that much time on their hands? If I were speaking to a real person and not a fake account-made-for-the-purpose-of-stupidity, I would recommend they take it to the Mertailor's Brand Spanking NEW Mermaid and Merman Super Special Never-Been-Done-Before Forum of Awesomeness, where they can join the hoards of non-mer folks singing his praises to the heavens. Have fun with that!

P.S. I hope this person is only pretending to be from Georgia, cause I hate to be ashamed of someone from my beloved state.


Lady, you slay me!

[Merman Arion]

LMAO no worries, you didn't know... I don't think anyone else noticed either :)

I actually only know her because she's on this AWFUL show called Shahs of Sunset that has taken like, a dozen mid-price range Persians with bad attitudes and delusions and gave them camera crews and an audience... Of course, they had to do that because decent Persians would never agree to something that stupid :D

And people watched this?? I don't get it...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma5mtwzzPZ1r3ty02o1_500.gif

[Anahita]

And people watched this?? I don't get it...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma5mtwzzPZ1r3ty02o1_500.gif

Neither do I... Go figure... But that is EXACTLY my face when I was forced to watch the first episode!

[Mermaid Cascada]

I just realized that this would explain that it was the goat was screaming at me in the petting zoo and it wasn't the donkey that ate me candy cup. Okay... Yeah this totally makes sense now.

[Nausicaa]

I definitely think that Caltuna is right, I mean come on, are we really going to take this seriously enough that someone will feel like they have to reciprocate with more negativity?
Because I kinda feel like this right now...
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii618/xmissingxtoastx/tumblr_mgn5wsOIZS1s33q68o1_500_zpsfc567c0c.gif (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/xmissingxtoastx/media/tumblr_mgn5wsOIZS1s33q68o1_500_zpsfc567c0c.gif.htm l)

Let's just take it for what it is; a good show of just how fluffed up people get over things that happen on the internet. Truly Raina I'm so sorry that this drama can't die down, and I think that it's ridiculous that you've been dragged into it French Merman over what I'm sure began as an innocent inquiry about something that I too was curious about. Sometimes the whole internet community thing sucks, because drama starts up so quickly and out of nowhere but it's also pretty awesome too, because we can post gifs and pictures that express our feelings...so here's the way that I feel about how you guys have been treated and pretty much the whole situation in general;

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii618/xmissingxtoastx/tumblr_motqscXrcX1s7so0lo1_400_zps06c32572.jpg (http://s1262.photobucket.com/user/xmissingxtoastx/media/tumblr_motqscXrcX1s7so0lo1_400_zps06c32572.jpg.htm l)

[Mermaid Cascada]

Smosh!

[Ashe]

FRIEND POWER!!!

[Merman Arion]

In every forum, you will find drama. You can't expect to run away from it forever. If you ignore it for a while, it's gonna bite you in the ass even harder.

Either you deal with the drama alone or as a group, sooner or later, the truth has to get out. Like i said before, communication is the key.

It's a choice to walk away but people shouldn't complain that it's even more ugly than before.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bcqqd1eX1r2ali6o1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwbehlgviT1qejlczo1_500.gif

[NerineArcticMermaid]

oh my god... I got curious to see what made it in here... LOL!!! all those gifs!!!!!! Totally makes my drama with 2 different trolls just melt away. Thanks for the good laugh and boo to the drama!

[Lotus]

haha I agree! Look, people are gonna fight, that's how it is. I try to follow the two commandments-
!.) Be cool
2.) Don't be a dick.

More people should do this.

[AniaR]

Honestly drama blows over pretty easy when you have a group of people who just aren't interested in dragging it out and fighting constantly. I know I wasn't the best for that, haha but I'm trying ;)

[Elle]

I came to this site hoping people weren't right about all of you being sheep, and raven your Shepard but they were right.

If you all want to continue following a dead path, it is not my place to tell you no, I will let you find out on your own, I just can't wait to watch how raina and raven try to cover their behinds when it happens.

Good luck to you all, I'm gonna go sign up for a real community site and no hate on each other!


#ShuttheFrontdoor
we're happy if your not feel free to leave at any time!
go to your real community site, you be bringing too much negative energies to the table!
#sorryboutit #nonotreally

[Mermaid Cascada]

What's up with all the weird quotes? Lol dey r confusing meh...

[Anahita]

I guess somebody needs to justify his insanity with out-of-context quotes from other people.... Ah, well, whatever. If he needs to make himself feel better because he did something messed up, that's his thing I guess.

[AniaR]

I find that's usually what happens when he gets insecure and knows people have caught him in something. Post his reviews in abundance, makes statements about how happy people are, because that should totally outweigh the abuse he puts on other people :( I'm just so tired of getting dragged into it. This is like what, the 3rd or 4th time I've given the guy "another chance" and gone out of my way to show I was willing to do so? I should know better :p

[Anahita]

Well, at least you can say you tried. You made the effort to be nice, to be the bigger person, and to lead by example.... And really, I guess when it comes down to it, that's pretty much the important thing. You can't make other people be better, but you can hold yourself to a better standard, which you definitely did.

You've got more patience than I do, which I definitely have to applaud you for, because if I was in that situation, my b*tch button would have been pressed a long time ago ;)

[Merman Arion]

I find that's usually what happens when he gets insecure and knows people have caught him in something. Post his reviews in abundance, makes statements about how happy people are, because that should totally outweigh the abuse he puts on other people :( I'm just so tired of getting dragged into it. This is like what, the 3rd or 4th time I've given the guy "another chance" and gone out of my way to show I was willing to do so? I should know better :p

Mermaid Sephina and I already told you yesterday that you should put back the reviews that you removed following your "peace treaty" with him. You gave him more chance than enough to let him prove himself that he was getting better and yet, he has fucked up everytime and failed.
You should be strong and do what your guts are telling you to do, Raina.
He shouldn't get away with this. People need to see him for who he really is. Especially after what happened recently and you know it.

[Elle]

I hate to drag our admin into it but maybe it's getting to a point where if someone is dragging someone else through the dirt (non-constructive criticism of tailmakers, trying to ruin other peoples reputations) the comments just need to be removed.
Or we all just need to stop talking about it in general, it only gets the way it does because we talk about it.

[Mermaid Cascada]

Wait what did he do? I'm still confused. I've been reading and crap but I still don't understand. Lol this calls for some bacon. Smothered in syrup. Coated with sprinkles.

[AniaR]

well the comments get moved here- to the drama thread :p I think it's important people still see them for contextual purposes, and others just enjoy the popcorn lol. Anyway, I'm not too hurt over it this time, I mean it's my own damn fault.

[Mermaid Cascada]

well the comments get moved here- to the drama thread :p I think it's important people still see them for contextual purposes, and others just enjoy the popcorn lol. Anyway, I'm not too hurt over it this time, I mean it's my own damn fault.
Awe! It's not your fault! I have no clue what's going on but you shouldn't blame yourself. Here, have some of this delicious candy bacon.

[Elle]

Awe! It's not your fault! I have no clue what's going on but you shouldn't blame yourself. Here, have some of this delicious candy bacon.

Indeed, it's not your fault. Your just very vocal about your beliefs. I think there are a lot of people out there who are that vocal. I know I've been overly vocal in the past.

as for candy bacon..........ummm....... I really don't know where to go from here (I don't like bacon)

[Mermaid Cascada]

Then just try the candy lol.

[Echidna]

While I'm not sure I completely follow (dat innuendo), I concur the reviews should be put back up.

Reviews are reviews; if they're written honestly and state facts, no one- NO ONE- has the right, or should demand they be taken down just because he/she/it thinks it hurts their reputation.

[Merman Arion]

While I'm not sure I completely follow (dat innuendo), I concur the reviews should be put back up.

Reviews are reviews; if they're written honestly and state facts, no one- NO ONE- has the right, or should demand they be taken down just because he/she/it thinks it hurts their reputation.

What she said. People should know who they are dealing with. The truth has to get out.

[AniaR]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/deea7669a374b168f2058cd508807bdd/tumblr_mqo9nhXPrj1r9fp8lo3_500.gif

[Mermaid Cascada]

Wait wait a second. Before anything happens you kinda have to prove it was him. I mean what if it was just some crazy hoot. You should not have a doubt in your mind. But if you can't prove it, then it might not of been him and you could potentially be hurting him.
Edit: I know you guys think Raina should post the reviews up but she doesn't have to. You know? It's her decision so let her make it and don't urge her one way or another. You know? This is so random but there was a squirrel in my yard earlier. It was dancing and going crazy and I was gonna go outside to see it. Lol my mom told me no because it looked like it had rabies.