The Drama Thread (WARNING: DRAMA AHEAD)

[SeaGlass Siren]

Yikes I'm reading it over it really does sound like a period joke 0-0 im so sorry I totally didn't mean for it to come off like that. I just meant that it's that time of the year when MErnetwork has drama again. (Cuz drama is totally a thing in MErnetwork right?)
thanks for pointing it out Orca

[Starfrit]

Yeah, I've found in the past that there's always crazy drama springing up on the forums this time of year. I didn't even think about it as a period joke until Orca mentioned it D:

[Mermaid Wesley]

To cite the rules of this forum: it's ok to disagree, but do so politely. Snark happens and is hard to translate over the Internet. Raina didn't mean to insult you and though it is fine to disagree, it's not ok to make personal attacks. (example: I don't see a problem with pool laps, sometimes divers have to do the same thing with all their gear to make sure they can handle it. As long as the ground is dry and the mermaids aren't too weak it should be ok.)


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[RomanLaveau]

Lmao this thread is too much...not every joke has some subliminal, dehumanizing tone to it! Live and Let live!!

[Winged Mermaid]

Disagreeing politely = OK
Disagreeing snarkily = OK (though expect snark back)
calling people "bitch" when you disagree= not OK
accusing someone who disagrees of lying about chronic illness = not OK
disagreeing =/= bullying
calling someone out when they call someone a bitch =/= bullying

And I politely disagree that "ignorant is just as bad as bullying." I also disagree that someone with 8+ years of experience is ignorant.

Exactly this. Apparently PaWaterFish is refusing to heed the warning I gave, so I think she needs to take a break from the forum for a few days to cool off.

[MermaidShannon]

Hahahahaha. That's all I can say since I go straight to ban land for saying more cuz I have sass mouth.


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[SeaGlass Siren]

What can we say? The sass is strong with you :P

[Starfrit]

I never thought I'd say this, Shannon, but I miss your sass.

You're more fun than... Whatever the hell this was.

[Merman Arion]

I never thought I'd say this, Shannon, but I miss your sass.

You're more fun than... Whatever the hell this was.

^ WHAT SHE SAID

[MermaidShannon]

HAHAHA. IM A SASSHOLE. AND RAINA IS A FEMALE DOG WITH ANT INTELLIGENCE.


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[MermaidShannon]

Don't ban me
Raina likes it. Don't ban me its a joke.


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[SeaGlass Siren]

The sass is truly strong with you.

[MermaidShannon]

YOU GUYS. I bought a Kariel tail. It's a silicone sequin hybrid. I bought it like in October paid it off and I haven't even sent measurements yet because that's how crazy planning mermania kept me.


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[Merman Dan]

HAHAHA. IM A SASSHOLE.

Years ago I devised plans to open an indoor fishing pond so the elderly and disabled could have a place to fish that was climate-controlled. I called it Crappie's Basshole. ;)

[Trade Winds]

Not a clue how I came across this but behold

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4186156/Dark-mermaids-revealed-cyber-bullying-feuds.html

'Go f*** yourself!’: How the DARK SIDE of the real-life mermaids was revealed when 'cyber-bullying' and feuds ended with 911 call
From Feb 2017

An article about tensions and fighting at a mermaid convention. Something that appeals to me and others I know on a personal level. You think we could grow up and leave the petty high school crap behind, but noooo all communities have to have their fools

(Didn't see this posted so I hope it isn't a dupe)

[Slim]

That article so flawed. I wasn't there but I know this isn't accurate NEWS. Yeah some of the events happen but so very greatly exaggerated. Whoever wrote the article already knew the people as any other news outlet would had used both mer name and real name out of respect. Where it says that someone refused to take sides is proof whoever wrote this was looking for more problem because why would something be asked like that. It's also amazing how much news that article made out of nothing because no one really talked about this after it happen which proves it wasn't enough to be a true problem. I just wish sites like that would stop trying to hurt an image over something so petty.

[AniaR]

yeah we havent been promoting this for several reasons,

first of all,. hey I'm Stephanie nice to meet yah. I don't use my real name because I've had a serious stalker. Some mermaids felt that would be fine to give my full legal name to the press despite me explaining that to them, as some sort of revenge plot.

The Daily Mail "reporter" came and ambushed many of our guests- some of whom had no previous affiliation with the mer community (such as philo barnhart) to try and coerce them into saying negative things about the community. She also approached some members of the community with Autism or special needs trying to coerce them, and approached underaged merfolk without permission from their parents. Their total goal was to coerce "bullying" from staff to members of the ticket holder. (so strange, why would we bully people who are paying for our tickets? and if we're going to bully... why would we allow them to come?)

I personally feel she targeted me because me and Sean (you know the "security" who is apparently escorting me?) spoke with her during the ball. We had several complaints from people about the 'reporter' so Sean (being our HR person) and I approached her. One of the issues was she was trying to coerce people into saying they actually believed they were fish. Another issue was her filming/photographing children without knowledge of parents. So we reprimanded her and she back peddled. Her video of me walking down a hallway with my BOYFRIEND of ten years, who also ran the event WITH me and she tried to spin it as if I was being escorted by security. So I think she just tried to throw me under the bus because we called her on her behaviour.

The Daily Mail were insistent on being around where people were drinking and we didn't think that was appropriate

In addition many of the photos were just people laughing and having fun, or hugging and being silly, but she spun them as people arguing and fighting.

I'd like to also state I wasnt available for comment, because when I came home from mermania I found my mother was unexpectedly dying. They published the article the day after my mom died.

There are many other issues with the article. For instance, I am the person who called the police over the banned member who yes- did assault 3 people. This was not a member of the convention, but they showed up anyway. With one person they pinned her onto a couch and wouldn't let her leave (I have video of this which was submitted to a lawyer and can't be put online when it's officially submitted as evidence). With another person they ambushed them at a bar, grabbed them, spun them around, and screamed obscenities at them while shaking them (this is on hotel security footage). The third person was a well known international merman who is deaf and didn't understand when she grabbed him while walking down the hallway and started screaming at him. At that point, we decided to call the police. I believe the "reporter" simply downloaded a form online and filled it in based on hearsay she got from interviewing people. We didn't call 911, and the report number doesn't match the one we were given. We called a non-emergency line, and obviously we woudln't call police and then tell them not to come. The description of the person also doesn't match what we gave, or the actions.

To be clear, the police agreed we could press charges and that the person should be removed from the hotel. But two things prevented this. 1) in NC in order to press charges you NEED to be able to be present as the victim in court. Well one person was from LA, another from New Orleans, and another from France. These people were unable to commit to coming back to the state to press charged. 2) though the police advised the hotel to remove the trouble maker, the hotel did not have their regular manager present and were unsure of hotel policies.

This person was banned from mermania, for several reasons. The legal letter they show in the article is interestingly folded so you can't see one of the claims. One of the claims we made is that this person took over our original FB fan page, tried to extort money from us, and then deleted the page which severed all of our contacts for the convention. This is a direct act of sabotage of the event, and you wouldn't expect us to allow them. We provided a lawyer with indisputable proof of this.

Another person who made claims in the article, was indeed handed a cease and desist before the event. We were actually told to ban her by the risk management team, but we decided to give her a warning and a chance. We provided a lawyer with a 25 page document with proof of public slander and libel of the event with the intent to harm the event, and we gave a demonstration of how this person's intentional lies cost us to lose a sponsor. Several of our staff members, myself included, ended up needing counselling to cope with the utter abuse that was hurled at us prior, during, and after Mermania. A fun example would be claiming publicly I shouldn't run the event because I lie about being a teacher, having my illnesses, and other things. (all which I quickly provided proof for)

At the end of the day, The Daily Mail is only interested in whatever will get people to click bait. Lots of gaslighting what happened, and spinning it in whatever way they could. We also have reliable intel that suggests the reporter was good friends with the banned member and that this was a planned event as "revenge" for banning the individual.. I personally witnessed the reporter and the person drinking together, arm in arm waltzing up and down the aisles.

All of the drama came from the banned person, and people that we were TOLD to ban but gave a second chance to. Had they not been involved in instigating issues, ambushing people, and trying to gaslight issues- there would be no issues. They came to the event with this whole tabloid thing pre-planned with the intention to harm staff and the event.

I'm very sad that our willingness to let people have second chances, in the hopes of less "drama" resulted in 3 members of the community being harmed. There were 100s of witnesses to all of these events, photos, videos, and security videos.

It was a learning experience for us, and we learned a lot about how to prevent it. It's sad that being community leaders running a convention put such targets on us, I personally have a lot of PTSD from dealing with it and the daily Mail. But I wont let it stop me, and the next event will be amazing and safer.

We were asking people not to share the link around and give it clicks (which generates revenue) Mermania staff sacrificed their lives for over a year, without pay, constant work to make this event work for you. We did it despite deaths in the family, despite one of us losing a home to a major flood, despite any personal issue.

This is The Daily Mail. you can google and see how often they're found guilty of libel. They just pay the fees and keep doing it. Notice that none of the reputable press- who were there the whole time- such as ABC and BBC even touched on this.

Regardless of what the daily Mail would like to spin we have mountains of proof and these people wont be welcome at Mermania again. Our new hotel is more than willing to prevent entry and will have security and police on site. The people claiming they were being bullied, were literally so horrible to many people they have actually caused PTSD and serious side effects from dealing with them.

[Slim]

yeah we havent been promoting this for several reasons,

first of all,. hey I'm Stephanie nice to meet yah. I don't use my real name because I've had a serious stalker. Some mermaids felt that would be fine to give my full legal name to the press despite me explaining that to them, as some sort of revenge plot.

The Daily Mail "reporter" came and ambushed many of our guests- some of whom had no previous affiliation with the mer community (such as philo barnhart) to try and coerce them into saying negative things about the community. She also approached some members of the community with Autism or special needs trying to coerce them, and approached underaged merfolk without permission from their parents. Their total goal was to coerce "bullying" from staff to members of the ticket holder. (so strange, why would we bully people who are paying for our tickets? and if we're going to bully... why would we allow them to come?)

I personally feel she targeted me because me and Sean (you know the "security" who is apparently escorting me?) spoke with her during the ball. We had several complaints from people about the 'reporter' so Sean (being our HR person) and I approached her. One of the issues was she was trying to coerce people into saying they actually believed they were fish. Another issue was her filming/photographing children without knowledge of parents. So we reprimanded her and she back peddled. Her video of me walking down a hallway with my BOYFRIEND of ten years, who also ran the event WITH me and she tried to spin it as if I was being escorted by security. So I think she just tried to throw me under the bus because we called her on her behaviour.

The Daily Mail were insistent on being around where people were drinking and we didn't think that was appropriate

In addition many of the photos were just people laughing and having fun, or hugging and being silly, but she spun them as people arguing and fighting.

I'd like to also state I wasnt available for comment, because when I came home from mermania I found my mother was unexpectedly dying. They published the article the day after my mom died.

There are many other issues with the article. For instance, I am the person who called the police over the banned member who yes- did assault 3 people. This was not a member of the convention, but they showed up anyway. With one person they pinned her onto a couch and wouldn't let her leave (I have video of this which was submitted to a lawyer and can't be put online when it's officially submitted as evidence). With another person they ambushed them at a bar, grabbed them, spun them around, and screamed obscenities at them while shaking them (this is on hotel security footage). The third person was a well known international merman who is deaf and didn't understand when she grabbed him while walking down the hallway and started screaming at him. At that point, we decided to call the police. I believe the "reporter" simply downloaded a form online and filled it in based on hearsay she got from interviewing people. We didn't call 911, and the report number doesn't match the one we were given. We called a non-emergency line, and obviously we woudln't call police and then tell them not to come. The description of the person also doesn't match what we gave, or the actions.

To be clear, the police agreed we could press charges and that the person should be removed from the hotel. But two things prevented this. 1) in NC in order to press charges you NEED to be able to be present as the victim in court. Well one person was from LA, another from New Orleans, and another from France. These people were unable to commit to coming back to the state to press charged. 2) though the police advised the hotel to remove the trouble maker, the hotel did not have their regular manager present and were unsure of hotel policies.

This person was banned from mermania, for several reasons. The legal letter they show in the article is interestingly folded so you can't see one of the claims. One of the claims we made is that this person took over our original FB fan page, tried to extort money from us, and then deleted the page which severed all of our contacts for the convention. This is a direct act of sabotage of the event, and you wouldn't expect us to allow them. We provided a lawyer with indisputable proof of this.

Another person who made claims in the article, was indeed handed a cease and desist before the event. We were actually told to ban her by the risk management team, but we decided to give her a warning and a chance. We provided a lawyer with a 25 page document with proof of public slander and libel of the event with the intent to harm the event, and we gave a demonstration of how this person's intentional lies cost us to lose a sponsor. Several of our staff members, myself included, ended up needing counselling to cope with the utter abuse that was hurled at us prior, during, and after Mermania. A fun example would be claiming publicly I shouldn't run the event because I lie about being a teacher, having my illnesses, and other things. (all which I quickly provided proof for)

At the end of the day, The Daily Mail is only interested in whatever will get people to click bait. Lots of gaslighting what happened, and spinning it in whatever way they could. We also have reliable intel that suggests the reporter was good friends with the banned member and that this was a planned event as "revenge" for banning the individual.. I personally witnessed the reporter and the person drinking together, arm in arm waltzing up and down the aisles.

All of the drama came from the banned person, and people that we were TOLD to ban but gave a second chance to. Had they not been involved in instigating issues, ambushing people, and trying to gaslight issues- there would be no issues. They came to the event with this whole tabloid thing pre-planned with the intention to harm staff and the event.

I'm very sad that our willingness to let people have second chances, in the hopes of less "drama" resulted in 3 members of the community being harmed. There were 100s of witnesses to all of these events, photos, videos, and security videos.

It was a learning experience for us, and we learned a lot about how to prevent it. It's sad that being community leaders running a convention put such targets on us, I personally have a lot of PTSD from dealing with it and the daily Mail. But I wont let it stop me, and the next event will be amazing and safer.

We were asking people not to share the link around and give it clicks (which generates revenue) Mermania staff sacrificed their lives for over a year, without pay, constant work to make this event work for you. We did it despite deaths in the family, despite one of us losing a home to a major flood, despite any personal issue.

This is The Daily Mail. you can google and see how often they're found guilty of libel. They just pay the fees and keep doing it. Notice that none of the reputable press- who were there the whole time- such as ABC and BBC even touched on this.

Regardless of what the daily Mail would like to spin we have mountains of proof and these people wont be welcome at Mermania again. Our new hotel is more than willing to prevent entry and will have security and police on site. The people claiming they were being bullied, were literally so horrible to many people they have actually caused PTSD and serious side effects from dealing with them.

I'm very happy you clear this up for new members. If I may add for those that has Ad Block, make sure Daily Mail isn't a whitelist site. No display ads = no money earn to them if stumbled on a different news story.


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[Trade Winds]

Don't mind me, I just posted it cuz I randomly ran across it. A lot about this article bothers me but I wasn't gonna start one of my classic rambles about it. I tell you tho that 'believe they are mermaids' part drives me berserk

[AniaR]

yeah she was HELL BENT on getting quotes she asked me multiple times if I could introduce her to someone who actually believed they're trans species or a real mermaid or fish and I actually got ANGRY with her. lol I was like, I have been here 9 years and have yet to meet someone who really believes this and I don't want you making my convention goers look like freaks. She also walked around the whole pool with a life jacket????

[SeaGlass Siren]

If everyone can stop clicking that damn daily fail link and stop giving them views that'd be great.

[Slim]

I agree. That reporter Duncan is nothing but drama click bait. Her last 5 news report at 3 different jobs were drama stirring kinds. That reporter is just bad news.


If everyone can stop clicking that damn daily fail link and stop giving them views that'd be great.

[Marinus Mortimer]

yeah we havent been promoting this for several reasons,

first of all,. hey I'm Stephanie nice to meet yah. I don't use my real name because I've had a serious stalker. Some mermaids felt that would be fine to give my full legal name to the press despite me explaining that to them, as some sort of revenge plot.

The Daily Mail "reporter" came and ambushed many of our guests- some of whom had no previous affiliation with the mer community (such as philo barnhart) to try and coerce them into saying negative things about the community. She also approached some members of the community with Autism or special needs trying to coerce them, and approached underaged merfolk without permission from their parents. Their total goal was to coerce "bullying" from staff to members of the ticket holder. (so strange, why would we bully people who are paying for our tickets? and if we're going to bully... why would we allow them to come?)

I personally feel she targeted me because me and Sean (you know the "security" who is apparently escorting me?) spoke with her during the ball. We had several complaints from people about the 'reporter' so Sean (being our HR person) and I approached her. One of the issues was she was trying to coerce people into saying they actually believed they were fish. Another issue was her filming/photographing children without knowledge of parents. So we reprimanded her and she back peddled. Her video of me walking down a hallway with my BOYFRIEND of ten years, who also ran the event WITH me and she tried to spin it as if I was being escorted by security. So I think she just tried to throw me under the bus because we called her on her behaviour.

The Daily Mail were insistent on being around where people were drinking and we didn't think that was appropriate

In addition many of the photos were just people laughing and having fun, or hugging and being silly, but she spun them as people arguing and fighting.

I'd like to also state I wasnt available for comment, because when I came home from mermania I found my mother was unexpectedly dying. They published the article the day after my mom died.

There are many other issues with the article. For instance, I am the person who called the police over the banned member who yes- did assault 3 people. This was not a member of the convention, but they showed up anyway. With one person they pinned her onto a couch and wouldn't let her leave (I have video of this which was submitted to a lawyer and can't be put online when it's officially submitted as evidence). With another person they ambushed them at a bar, grabbed them, spun them around, and screamed obscenities at them while shaking them (this is on hotel security footage). The third person was a well known international merman who is deaf and didn't understand when she grabbed him while walking down the hallway and started screaming at him. At that point, we decided to call the police. I believe the "reporter" simply downloaded a form online and filled it in based on hearsay she got from interviewing people. We didn't call 911, and the report number doesn't match the one we were given. We called a non-emergency line, and obviously we woudln't call police and then tell them not to come. The description of the person also doesn't match what we gave, or the actions.

To be clear, the police agreed we could press charges and that the person should be removed from the hotel. But two things prevented this. 1) in NC in order to press charges you NEED to be able to be present as the victim in court. Well one person was from LA, another from New Orleans, and another from France. These people were unable to commit to coming back to the state to press charged. 2) though the police advised the hotel to remove the trouble maker, the hotel did not have their regular manager present and were unsure of hotel policies.

This person was banned from mermania, for several reasons. The legal letter they show in the article is interestingly folded so you can't see one of the claims. One of the claims we made is that this person took over our original FB fan page, tried to extort money from us, and then deleted the page which severed all of our contacts for the convention. This is a direct act of sabotage of the event, and you wouldn't expect us to allow them. We provided a lawyer with indisputable proof of this.

Another person who made claims in the article, was indeed handed a cease and desist before the event. We were actually told to ban her by the risk management team, but we decided to give her a warning and a chance. We provided a lawyer with a 25 page document with proof of public slander and libel of the event with the intent to harm the event, and we gave a demonstration of how this person's intentional lies cost us to lose a sponsor. Several of our staff members, myself included, ended up needing counselling to cope with the utter abuse that was hurled at us prior, during, and after Mermania. A fun example would be claiming publicly I shouldn't run the event because I lie about being a teacher, having my illnesses, and other things. (all which I quickly provided proof for)

At the end of the day, The Daily Mail is only interested in whatever will get people to click bait. Lots of gaslighting what happened, and spinning it in whatever way they could. We also have reliable intel that suggests the reporter was good friends with the banned member and that this was a planned event as "revenge" for banning the individual.. I personally witnessed the reporter and the person drinking together, arm in arm waltzing up and down the aisles.

All of the drama came from the banned person, and people that we were TOLD to ban but gave a second chance to. Had they not been involved in instigating issues, ambushing people, and trying to gaslight issues- there would be no issues. They came to the event with this whole tabloid thing pre-planned with the intention to harm staff and the event.

I'm very sad that our willingness to let people have second chances, in the hopes of less "drama" resulted in 3 members of the community being harmed. There were 100s of witnesses to all of these events, photos, videos, and security videos.

It was a learning experience for us, and we learned a lot about how to prevent it. It's sad that being community leaders running a convention put such targets on us, I personally have a lot of PTSD from dealing with it and the daily Mail. But I wont let it stop me, and the next event will be amazing and safer.

We were asking people not to share the link around and give it clicks (which generates revenue) Mermania staff sacrificed their lives for over a year, without pay, constant work to make this event work for you. We did it despite deaths in the family, despite one of us losing a home to a major flood, despite any personal issue.

This is The Daily Mail. you can google and see how often they're found guilty of libel. They just pay the fees and keep doing it. Notice that none of the reputable press- who were there the whole time- such as ABC and BBC even touched on this.

Regardless of what the daily Mail would like to spin we have mountains of proof and these people wont be welcome at Mermania again. Our new hotel is more than willing to prevent entry and will have security and police on site. The people claiming they were being bullied, were literally so horrible to many people they have actually caused PTSD and serious side effects from dealing with them.

I understand how annoying they must have been but it's too much for me that y'all (whoever dealt with them) gets PTSD or any other mental illnesses from such an experience I mean Hello it does not sound that serious unless y'all mentality and capacity to deal with stress is at the level of a child that would not have caused such serious mental problems get a grip don't be so dramatic it's not that serious...


Now don't hate me it's just funny how people can be so sensitive like they lived in a bubble of good ness and only just saw negativity....... [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Keiris]

Good grief. When I read that my eyeballs rolled so far back in my head I could see my tonsils.

[SeaGlass Siren]

"Don't be so dramatic"? Marinus literally who even are you. You weren't there to witness what actually went down and my friends who were at the event and who were assaulted were texting me real time what was happening. This isn't someone complaining about a few individuals they don't like, it's people who were ACTUALLy assaulted by people who have been harassed by them for over a YEAR. So unless you were at the event or know the full context of the situation you really shouldn't be talking or invalidating what happened.
go check yourself.

[Mermaid Lilium]

Ptsd can be caused by all sorts of things, and those who alreay have it from stuff in their past (like I know Raina has, she's spoken about it a lot even here on the forums) are more susceptible to it flaring up and becoming connected to periods or moments of high stress.

When raina says it drove her to the point of getting counselling, it wasn't just like one small isolated incident, she and others had been dealing with emotional abuse, blackmail, gaslighting and general bullying and stalking for a solid year. (like these people tried to break up families, marriages, friendships, ruin careers and reputations etc etc)

The fact that she's still standing is a testament to her strength so seriously, sit the fuck back down.

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[AniaR]

TBH how about you go through all that and physically sit with someone dying, sit with them while they cry out for help, and you can do nothing but watch them in pain, then they finally pass and you come home to see yourself in a tabloid because a mermaid who deserved her ban, decided to stage a personal revenge war against you.

And considering the life I have lived, I certainly do not live in a bubble of goodness. I fucking wish.

[Mermaid Alea]

Raina - I just felt the need to step in here and say thanks Raina for all you did for Mermania and just thanks in general for all that you do and for all that you have overcome. :hug:


In general - You can't really judge how stressful the event was if you were not there. Also, you have no way of knowing how something will affect a particular person. For example, the job I have right now makes me feel dead inside because I use zero creativity, I have to work with hard to understand banking terms/procedures, I stare at two computer monitors all day, etc. My co-worker on the other hand LOVES this job and he shares a lot of similar interests with me.

[MermaidCelesteFL]

Well, I guess this is definitely a drama thread for a reason. Here's my two cents:

1. The Daily Mail is NOT a reputable source by any means. The reporter did a LOT of really skeevy stuff with some of the mermaids in the community, myself included. She preyed on any negativity that was present, and if there wasn't any present- she made it happen. She made Raina and Sean look like villains when they didn't do anything other than help out the con. She made myself look like a freaking victim, even though I had a blast for the most part. AND- she kept pestering me for pictures of myself cutting myself. If that doesn't scream yellow journalism, I don't know what does.

2. Nobody deserves to be treated that way. Not Raina, not myself, not anybody- and especially not by the media. Undermining someone's mental condition is a VERY low blow, and you should be ashamed, good sir. When someone tells you what they went through, you listen to them- even if you disagree with what they are saying. I do not condone this individual's behavior, nor the reporter's, nor anyone who tried to start sh*t at the convention. The convention would have been a blast if there wasn't a constant threat of perpetuating drama. I already lost friends because of all of this.

Lesson of the day: the Daily Mail is crap; if you like an event, be grateful for all of the work put into it, and for the love of all that is holy- be gentle and understanding of other people's conditions. You have no idea what they are going through or have been through before.

[Mermaid Mystery]

I understand how annoying they must have been but it's too much for me that y'all (whoever dealt with them) gets PTSD or any other mental illnesses from such an experience I mean Hello it does not sound that serious unless y'all mentality and capacity to deal with stress is at the level of a child that would not have caused such serious mental problems get a grip don't be so dramatic it's not that serious...


Now don't hate me it's just funny how people can be so sensitive like they lived in a bubble of good ness and only just saw negativity....... [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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seriously?? don't be so dramatic?? i was also in the article and witnessed two of my close friends being assaulted, i was made a target and had serious panic attacks because of it.


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[Marinus Mortimer]

I'm sorry that happened to you, I would have had another reaction instead of panicking but everyone doesn't have the same tolerance for trauma I guess.


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[AniaR]

Mortimer apologized in another thread.

It is hard to accurately describe online how terribly this all escalated in a manner that people who were not involved would truly understand. The people who were all assaulted also had their own history of dealing with traumatic things. For instance, one person had just lost their home to drastic flooding, and when her husband tried to save a stranded police officer in the foods- she almost lost him too. So imagine dealing with that on top of being harassed all year by these people and have them trying to even in person harass your family, and then coming to an event and being physically assaulted and screamed at while you're just trying to have a good time and get things done.

one other thing about that daily mail article I have been wanting to say. Did you notice the person with the criminal record claimed we were posting online that we would post the mug shot around the convention? of course, we would never do that- it makes everyone look bad, and of course, we never said that anywhere. However, they claimed they were arrested because someone drugged them with a date rape drug, and they got confused and bit their husband. I've learned a few things. First of all an actual date rape drug the whole purpose of it is to sedate you, people don't just get dosed and then go off fighting someone else. Second of all, we learned through this very experience that in NC she could of only been arrested if the victim (her husband) decided to press charges. Third, back when we were still on civil terms with this person they told everyone who would listen (and we got the years old screen shots) that they got super drunk and picked a fight with their husband. So it really bothers me that the whole thing has been twisted as if their ARREST made them a victim of something that is actually really serious. Then again, they also compared being banned from the convention as the same thing as discrimination against transgender people. It's crazy how she used an arrest record that had nothing to do with the convention, as a way to paint herself a victim of the convention. Of course, we provided a lawyer with all those pieces of evidence as well back when we banned her. This is the level of insanity we were dealing with, and it's so sad. Not once did this person ever approach the convention after deleting our social media with an apology, or a request for how she could make things right so she could still attend. Just spent a year fabricating things, gas lighting, and using people as pawns.

I think some of the people here got used as pawns and it made me so mad in the moment, because I was trying hard to understand they were being manipulated. I am glad though that people saw what was really happening and the true colors. As much as the whole thing sucked, having that many witnesses really validated what we were going through just trying to put on a dang convention. I admit, we are worried about further mistreatment as we nail down details for 2018 as well.

[SeaGlass Siren]

^ I saw that post on Facebook. Tasteless.

[Slim]

AniaR, I would not be worrying about that level of mistreatment anymore. All the key people exposed themselves for who they are and people now know who to be cautious of for the next mermania. It's pretty safe to say everyone is going to have a good time :) There is going to be a couple years of peace now.

[Marinus Mortimer]

I understand how annoying they must have been but it's too much for me that y'all (whoever dealt with them) gets PTSD or any other mental illnesses from such an experience I mean Hello it does not sound that serious unless y'all mentality and capacity to deal with stress is at the level of a child that would not have caused such serious mental problems get a grip don't be so dramatic it's not that serious...


Now don't hate me it's just funny how people can be so sensitive like they lived in a bubble of good ness and only just saw negativity....... [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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Yeah I have to agree this post does come off as being a jerk.
And holy goodness people really burned me at the stake for that one lol but I won't take it to the ass I'm glad y'all defended Raina cause I was wrong and spoke without filtering my venomous mouths or fingers I hope every one won't hate me after cause my apology was an honest one I know when to recognize when I'm wrong and I was being a total asshole so again my sincere apologies to Raina and anyone else that might have been offered by my post.


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[SeaGlass Siren]

Good on you for recognizing it and acknowledging it dude

[AniaR]

I forgive you, it's done, let's move on. I think it was just tricky cuz the people who defended me actually witnessed it, lol.

[Slim]

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[AniaR]

it's always been that way, long before FB!

[Mermaid Wesley]

See origin of term: witch hunt
lol. But yeah, its in every online community I have ever been a part of.

[Slim]

It's just ridiculous. Regardless if people thinks they are on the good or bad side of things; it hurts their businesses in the long run. This was my first time seeing it in this community at that level


See origin of term: witch hunt
lol. But yeah, its in every online community I have ever been a part of.

[Khaleesi Daenerys]

I'm not on Facebook but I am interested in what the debate is about. I know there are certain issues here on Mernetwork that caused a few people to leave last year.

[Slim]

Long story that a nonmember to the mernetwork was publicly discussing a person mention in the mervert topic publicly. The fact the person wasn't proven created a divide and turn into a deeper conversation no longer about that person and into something else. It's just a big mess. Who you talk to depend on what the problem is. I really do personally feel that the mervert topic needs to not be seen unless a person is logged into the mernetwork to avoid future witch hunt but that my opinion. I hate merverts but more people are getting emotionally hurt with the witch hunt from that topic vs the number that topic is protecting people from :(


I'm not on Facebook but I am interested in the debate. I know there are certain issues here on Mernetwork that caused a few people to leave last year.

[AniaR]

I'm not on Facebook but I am interested in what the debate is about. I know there are certain issues here on Mernetwork that caused a few people to leave last year.

last year? any time anyone gets reprimanded for anything there is a giant "I'M LEAVING" to do. Since before mernetwork, back in the mer-yuku days. And it was 3 people lol and they still lurk (you can see their activity). Lots of people just go inactive in my experience.

I'm not even sure what Witch Hunt Slim is referring to because you can see the posts that just happened, hardly a witch hunt :p just some insensitive comments, and then a little backlash, and apologizing for those comments. I call that a win when someone is accountable.

I know there's some debate going on on Fb right now where SURPRISINGLY the community is divided over the issue of pedophiles. Conversation began because a mervert was reposting loads of stolen pics of people's kids, actual children and someone made a post about it.

9 times out of 10 there's an actual issue at hand, but people chalk it up to "drama" when in reality, we should be challenging stuff like that in the community.

[AniaR]

The mervert thread has requirements slim if you check the very first page. It's not a witch hunt, it's a place for people to post unwanted contact that is generally of a sexual nature. It's a real risk we mers have been encountering. And people often post their experiences with proof so others can decide if they want contact with those people. but anything without proof gets removed, and we've yet to have a "witch hunt" of any sort. In fact, recently a guy spoken about in the thread was arrested for trying to lure women. We gotta have a place to be able to talk about this stuff, it's a real issue we face

[Slim]

I think you misunderstood me AniaR. The witch hunt isn't about who the mervert is. A member of the community was called a pedo because someone didn't read the person post fully. I feel the witch hunt is when someone is falsely called something they are not and the whole village joins in. One person read the post wrong and claim she was. The person try to explain the person read it wrong but the community mocked her. The original conversation was deleted and another person brought it up on their wall. What you saw was only where everyone started getting quiet. I made screenshots when people started falsely accusing . I only did that because people message me wanting to take a side and I rather stay neutral. People can discuss that topic but they don't need to be accusing each other of it without proof and that exactly what you missed. I'll give you the screenshot only to you AniaR if you think you might be able to help fix this divide. I'm just really against the cyberbullying that resulted from it.



The mervert thread has requirements slim if you check the very first page. It's not a witch hunt, it's a place for people to post unwanted contact that is generally of a sexual nature. It's a real risk we mers have been encountering. And people often post their experiences with proof so others can decide if they want contact with those people. but anything without proof gets removed, and we've yet to have a "witch hunt" of any sort. In fact, recently a guy spoken about in the thread was arrested for trying to lure women. We gotta have a place to be able to talk about this stuff, it's a real issue we face

[SeaGlass Siren]

They were not called a pedo. They were called a pedophile apologist or sympathizer. They were asked if they were and that's when they got defensive.

[SeaGlass Siren]

Fact of the matter is they shouldn't have been defending the mervert in the first place. It was the wrong place to even state her opinion on a thread about watching out for said mervert because theb you're excusing the predator by bringing up that arguement and applying it in a conversation where it had nothing to do with it.

[Slim]

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[SeaGlass Siren]

Just for the record this is the same person who has had issues with anything brought up and when we present a counter arguement she gets upset and gets extremely defensive.
in another incident this week a tail design was stolen from finfolk and she continually tried to dismiss it even after the twins said it was theirs, then got upset when people called her out.

[SeaGlass Siren]

Do you have the screenshot?

[Slim]

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[SeaGlass Siren]

Fair.
but the fact still remains that they are a pedophilia sympathizer and that's always concerning especially since we as responsible adults should be looking out for the younger ones in the community. And stating that kind of opinion where it wasn't welcome and unwarranted especially when they KNOW they are a pedophiles who acts on their actions and actively bothering younger mers in our community was, in a word, unnecessary. Especially if they are friends with said person who was harassed by this person.

[AniaR]

ehh I feel like if it doesnt happen on mernetwork there's no sense bringing it on here lol. I saw that whole thread, I understood her point of view fully and even posted a documentary on the subject, but I did think it was in poor taste for her to bring it up as on the thread when we're focusing on inappropriate behaviour with minors. The actual mervert has posted screen shots of sexual advances to a minor in the community, and that's serious shit. I don't think it's right to go onto a thread like that and say "not all pedophiles" it's as bad as going into a thread about violence against women and saying not all men.

I didn't see any name calling, I saw a lot of questions, and I saw a lot of negative reactions to some inappropriate comments, but not everyone SAW the original comments because they got deleted be the person who made them, so you end up only seeing the replies. So when you see one comment and 10 replies I can understand why that looks like a witch hunt, but in reality there were lots of comments she just deleted them.

I also feel like not everyone who gets in on these things are actual members of the community. I do not consider a mervert a member of the community if you know what I mean?

None of this has anything to do with the throwdown between me and Morti here. I am thankful Morti made an effort to see my point of view and apologized, and I consider the drama and matter closed.

[SeaGlass Siren]

And as someone said, "defending that kind of perversion doesn't reflect well as a children's performer."

[AniaR]

I also wanna point out that we do need to be concerned as a whole how our community comes off because it affects the whole industry. A while back a woman got upset when she found out a mermaid who entertained her daughter also had a criminal record and was a web cam and porn star. She thought that the event that organized it (not mermania) would of done background checks and not assigned her kid a felon who was awaiting trial or someone in the sex industry. Now we can debate the merits and cons of the sex industry all we want, of the justice system, etc. But the fact is the way that one mermaid came off to the general public spurned on this huge movement by this woman who thinks all mermaid entertainers need to be regulated. Which in itself isnt a bad idea, but she decided to attack very well known mers and assign the labels of criminal and pedophiles to them.

These comments when made public from a profile of someone wearing a mermaid tail... people see that stuff, and the judge our whole community on it. That's why I think it wasn't the best platform for her to express her own personal views about pedophilia. She could of done that on her own page without undermining the real issue at hand, or even in PM etc

[SeaGlass Siren]

^ more or less what I was getting at but more eloquently and clearly put.

[AniaR]

we were typin at the same time ahaha

[SeaGlass Siren]

Must be a Canadian thing x'D

[Slim]

I also wanna point out that we do need to be concerned as a whole how our community comes off because it affects the whole industry. A while back a woman got upset when she found out a mermaid who entertained her daughter also had a criminal record and was a web cam and porn star. She thought that the event that organized it (not mermania) would of done background checks and not assigned her kid a felon who was awaiting trial or someone in the sex industry. Now we can debate the merits and cons of the sex industry all we want, of the justice system, etc. But the fact is the way that one mermaid came off to the general public spurned on this huge movement by this woman who thinks all mermaid entertainers need to be regulated. Which in itself isnt a bad idea, but she decided to attack very well known mers and assign the labels of criminal and pedophiles to them.

These comments when made public from a profile of someone wearing a mermaid tail... people see that stuff, and the judge our whole community on it. That's why I think it wasn't the best platform for her to express her own personal views about pedophilia. She could of done that on her own page without undermining the real issue at hand, or even in PM etc

I agree


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[Khaleesi Daenerys]

So I'm a little late in this convo, my phone died. :p The only thing I have to say as far as pedophiles go is castrate them then kill them slowly. It might not be popular with everyone but that's how I personally feel. This is how I will always feel btw.

As far as what I said earlier last year was all I could remember and I said a few because I knew it was more than two but less than ten. Lol
From what I remember there was a bad review video of a tail by a certain tail maker that most people on here love. (I say most because I'm sure a few other tail makers don't love the competition lol.) There was a huge back and forth in the community, which I didn't take a side because I could never find that f-ing video.

[AniaR]

Oh that we me and Luckie, over her Merbella's tail. Fun story, we met at mermania (that I run) and talked it out and she's great :) real life < internet hahaha. it was really meant to be an issue between us on fb but someone else brought it into mernetwork and then everyone gets in the middle. The people who left really had nothing to do with it. I think it was more one person's issue with me because I called her out on FB when I felt she was making fun of Iona. So i think she just didnt like me cuz of that but used the Luckie thing as a reason to start a whole thing on here. like I said, FB stuff should just stay off mernetwork.

[Khaleesi Daenerys]

Yea I'm glad I'm not on Facebook I probably will have to later on for networking though. I agree Facebook and mernetwork issues should be kept separate unless certain circumstances make it impossible, but I also think politics should be kept separate as well.
Im glad it got worked out in the end I hope her tail is okay. It's nice to hear that eventhough people don't get along online they can in person.

[Marinus Mortimer]

edited this post.

im glad i didnt get involved in that whole pedo ordeal cause i have a very short fuse for shit like that and a mouth more venomous than a Black Mamba [emoji23][emoji23][emoji228] [emoji85][emoji87][emoji86]

[Mermaid Lilium]

Hey mortimer just a heads up that your post is probably more suited to the 'b!tch it out' thread which is a place for us to rant about bad things in our lives.

This one's for the mods to drag drama posts out of other threads to keep any fighting isolated, a bit of a mods bulldozer pile as you will.

There's also a drama bubble thread which is for people to go to make their own posts about drama within the community.

The three threads catch a lot of people out at first so don't worry :) xx

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[Marinus Mortimer]

Hey mortimer just a heads up that your post is probably more suited to the 'b!tch it out' thread which is a place for us to rant about bad things in our lives.

This one's for the mods to drag drama posts out of other threads to keep any fighting isolated, a bit of a mods bulldozer pile as you will.

There's also a drama bubble thread which is for people to go to make their own posts about drama within the community.

The three threads catch a lot of people out at first so don't worry :) xx

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Cool my bad ill move it i was just reading through this and posted my bad lol thanks hun.

Edit. I couldn't delete it for some reason but i edited it to suit this thread lol thanks again for the heads up Lilly


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[Mermaid_Athena]

Little late posting in here and my blood pressure is rising again just doing this...but I am the person everyone is talking about. And I'm here to state what I was originally trying to explain:

Firstly--Never once in the entire conversation did I defend peodophilla. What I was against was Killing people and advocating murder without any proper proof of it. Killing someone and torturing them simply because you think they thought someone sexual about *anyone* is flat out illegal in this country. That's called a thought crime. If you want to see what happens when thought crimes are legal just go to any country where blasphemy laws are in place. People are killed because they *may* have thought that the man over there was sexy. Look, I personally know of someone who was killed because his girlfriend (then wife) was a year younger than him. He was 18. They married when he was 20. Her mother kept telling people he was a pedophole. He was killed for it. He wasn't. So going around telling people to kill everyone you think is a pedo. Yah ... no. Sorry. Can't agree with that. Killing weather it be for justic or whatever is still murder when you get right down to it. You're taking another persons life.


Now certainly I stated things a little weird in the original thread. But there is my whole point up there. Now a few individuals decided to call me "trash" a nazi apologist and a pedophile apologist mermaid. Please note here that other mermaids agreed with that statement and it implies that I myself am a pedophile. That's where I got upset. They also said these things *after* I dropped the the thread because I could see people were not getting my point. The original thread was then deleted and the whole conversation was then moved to another persons profile! Then I see it's been picked up here. Do people realize what damage these kinds of accusations can do to a persons ofline life!? I don't think they do.

I never said anything thing about the person in the original post either. I understand he was arrested, good! Lets
move on. We know he's a mervert.

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As for the FinFolk thing--I'd already discussed with Abby in private the whole situation. It was handled. I decided to leave the group because of a few things. One being overwhelming amount of messages every day from the group. Secondly I'm starting my own tail making biz and didn't think it appropriate to be in the group as I'd be directly in competition with them. And lastly the way the situation was handled in regards to the art theift by name calling some of the Pod members who, like me, didn't see the resemblance right off the bat. Those were my reasons for leaving.

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Lastly,
as for me always getting upset or defensive over things. I've been a part of a much larger community before this one that is constantly having to defend against improper science and flat out lies about biology and how the world works. Because of this I am always on the edge of the fence ready to express my opinion on things or correct bullshit when I spot it. If you've even bothered to become friends with me on Facebook you'll understand what I'm talking about. I hosted my own podcast on this type of thing and I've been involved with set up of several debates and conventions. I don't stand for bullshit and I will call it out.

[AniaR]

I saw your points, and I said that on the thread. but I do 100% feel it came off as if you were saying 'not all pedophiles" and when we're talking about someone who actually did get in trouble for that shit, it's really not the place for you to have that discussion or pick that battle IMO. I don't think you came off the way you THINK you came off, I think there's a disconnect there. But I get it, I have always had trouble with not communicating in a way online that people don't mis-understand or mis-communicate. Some people certainly took it too far, and there was no need for dozens of people to go on for days about it for sure. But I do think it was one of those situations where it just wasn't the appropriate platform for you to be bringing up something so controversial. it made the whole post about your views and people arguing them, when in reality a minor from this very community who is on mernetwork was a victim.

However, like I said. I think what's on FB should stay there and there was no need to bring it over here either. It draws things out after they've already settled down. I do think you may wanna give consideration as well to how it looks in the community. Maybe you should have a mermaid profile and a personal one! That's what I do. I rant away about hot button issues on my personal one, so if I get into something controversial it's not going to reflect on the community. You had a lot of posts that are a bit tricky to juggle with being a kid's entertainer, and people see your profile pic and know that. Just food for thought, from someone who has been at this 9 years. ;)

[Mermaid_Athena]

And fair enough on that.

And yes, I was saying that not everyone with the mental disorder of pedophillia actually acts on it. It's the same as not everyone who wants to kill does so. Or not everyone who likes the idea of going to another country will. It's basic.

Like I said, know this guy had issues. I took unbridge with people saying we need to eliminate all who think that way regardless of evidence.

And i never even intended on making it that. People just kept responding. Therefore so did i. To a point. Shit hit the fan when I deciddd to step out because I'd had enough of it.

Yah. Shouldn't have been moved over here I think.

Stepping out now. Everything seems to have been dropped.

[Mermaid_Athena]

Maybe you should have a mermaid profile and a personal one! That's what I do. I rant away about hot button issues on my personal one, so if I get into something controversial it's not going to reflect on the community. You had a lot of posts that are a bit tricky to juggle with being a kid's entertainer ;)


Facebool wont let me make a profile under a mermaid name. They don't allow anyone aiming up now to do so without governor ID or some kind of proof that you actually go by that name.

As per kids entertianer. I don't do just kids parties. I'm also an outspoken atheist. People from my business page cannot see my personal page.

Im used to people calling me names and whatnot. But taken to the scale it was was not really needed. Wasn't trying to take over the thread.

Ok now I'm really out.

(Next drama-- mermaids eat humans! -evil laugh-)

[AniaR]

yeah just keep an eye on when you comment on other people's stuff though if it's a public post or not. that's what can get yah!

Once I accidentally made some comments that were pro women's rights from my mer account, which shouldn't be an issue. but because of it a bunch of men went to my BUSINESS PAGE AND LEFT BAD REVIEWS. because they were butthurt over my comments!

[Mermaid_Athena]

-facepalms-
on my website I have a little rainbow colored mermaid that looks like a slightly more sassy version of my business logo. It's my little way to say ok ok with the LGBT community. (Part of it myself actually)

but to leave bad bad reviews because they don't like the idea of women's rights? Wth?

[Mermaid_Athena]

Name: Merman Slim-Status: harassment and unwanted contact-Proof: Over the course of a few months perhaps three times a day contact skyrocketed into sometimes 15+ messages a day. If messages were not answered rather quickly he'd contact me in different manners. Consistently shares screenshots of private conversations with people to "prove" a point about something. After asking three times in quick succession last night (6/28/2017) for the messages to stop and they were not giving respect he stated he would stop. But then quickly sent another follow up stating he'd stop for "7 days". Yes I have screenshots. After this point things became extremely unwanted. He messaged again around 11pm telling me to "remove the ban" (one that I had put on a personal account) before the 7 days or he would request a refund from an event I am hosting. This was contact #1 after I'd asked for contact to stop. I then banned on that account he was contacting me with. Contact #2 was done by using the group chat option to circumvent the Facebook messages ban. I explained to the other person in a PM what was going on. They informed that that Jason wants to ***create a gender bent mermaid profile so he can "keep an eye on the mermaids that have banned him." (Again I have screenshots of this conversation) ****They also stated that he's been pushy with them and they also felt uncomfortable. Contact #3 2am in the morning of 6/29/2017 --Jason again uses the group chat option to circumvent the Facebook message ban. This time using my fiancé as the secondary party in the chat. He is asking that I refund the ticket he bought. I'd already done this. I reported the message as spam. I do have screenshots with the time stamp. Contact #4 An email using the ticketleap servers demanding I refund the ticket. I tell him I already have and to stop contacting meContact #5 He sends his Mother to my business page. She wants to know why I banned him, when I'm sending the shell, and if I need the monofin to make the replacement tail. All of which has already been answered before this point to Jason. Contact #6About an hour after the first contact from his mother she is contacting again. I haven't responded. I suspect this might not be the Mother but there is no proof. --I have indeed made him a fabric tail that the shimmering color changing effect is cracking and wearing off immediately after swimming in it. This fabric was bought by him and sent to me to use on the tail. I only bought fin fabric to cover the monofin; which was bought by him. I did not get monetary payment for this tail. I was traded an iPod for it. I am not responsible for the quality of the fabric and I did advice rising the tail immediately after getting out of the pool. I have offered to make a new one when I get a custom printed fabric. I also told him that I'd be sending out a conch shell horn that I made him as soon as it was done. I finished it last night before I told him to stop contacting me and told him I'd be sending it. I am throughly freaked out by this. I've been shaking and having panic attacks off and on this morning.

[Slim]

Facebook drama shouldn't be on this thread but I'll answer a few of these. I didn't even know my mom reached out to you and I'm sorry for that. You got me admin to 3 of our groups so it kinda hard not not message you with concerns on your group. You didn't inform me the time you refund the ticket until this morning which could had been said last night. The whole genderbent profile thing was a joke because you mention you may report a mermaid in Florida to Disney of the princess company. If someone paid a total of $50 on a ticket and shell and there nothing to show; people will reach out asking where the missing the missing stuff. People hate losing money. I encourage the admin here to check my facebook profile and I'll even provide them the login. This goes in the drama thread, not here. I've done nothing wrong on mernetwork here to belong on this thread.

[Mermaid_Athena]

Carrying on with that. Jason NEVER paid for the shell or the tail I made he only traded me items for them. No money was exchanged. This isn't drama. This is harrisment. If anyone has questions I have already released **all** screenshots on my FB page. I'm done.

[officialmermaidkelly]

Funny coming from someone with a fake gender bent facebook profile using the name Liam to spy on mermaids who blocked you for defending pedofiles and rape fantasies. Anyways, Danielle, I sense a bit of hypocrisy on your end but you've already burnt so many bridges I doubt there will be anyone left to listen. Yes Jason does go to far to reach contact sometimes, however you shouldn't complain about things like fake profiles for spying when YOU in fact do the same. Have a nice day xoxo
Ps: If you drive to meet Ariel or send her the money to ship your tail, you will get it back. Its hard to return something when you have no money and no vehicle to get it 3+ hours away.


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[Slim]

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[Saelyyia]

These posts belong in the drama thread not in the Mervert thread. Can we please get an admin or mod to step in here? I feel like this has gotten hostile and has people sharing others personal information in a public thread and slandering, whether true or not I don't think this is the appropriate thread for this conversation.

[deepblue]

These posts belong in the drama thread not in the Mervert thread. Can we please get an admin or mod to step in here? I feel like this has gotten hostile and has people sharing others personal information in a public thread and slandering, whether true or not I don't think this is the appropriate thread for this conversation.

Agree. I've reported it- see the little triangle with the ! in it, on the site it's at the lower left corner of the frame a post is in. Click that, report what you feel is a problem, and the admin will receive it. They're usually on these reports pretty fast.

Edit to add: On the app, you touch the post you need to report for more than a moment, and a little vertical set of dots will appear at the upper right, click that and find the report option.

[Slim]

I've submit to have the post reported as soon as it was posted. It's stressing seeing my name on this thread.


Agree. I've reported it- see the little triangle with the ! in it, on the site it's at the lower left corner of the frame a post is in. Click that, report what you feel is a problem, and the admin will receive it. They're usually on these reports pretty fast.

[Saelyyia]

I already reported the posts as well, I just like to have a public statement calling for their attention too so that others know it is being done.

[deepblue]

Oh good, I'm glad you were both aware of the report option!
Hopefully the admin will eel-whip it soon.
This is the kind of thing that makes people say, "I hear that forum is full of drama, so I avoid it." It's not good for the community or the forum to go so off topic and in that vein.

And since I'm not posting about merverts, and the reporting is done, I am out of here. :)

[Slim]

Reporting was the first thing I did. That why there a 25 minute lag before I replied to give them the chance to review the post and move it to the drama thread.


Oh good, I'm glad you were both aware of the report option!
Hopefully the admin will eel-whip it soon.
This is the kind of thing that makes people say, "I hear that forum is full of drama, so I avoid it." It's not good for the community or the forum to go so off topic and in that vein.

And since I'm not posting about merverts, and the reporting is done, I am out of here. :)

[Mermaid_Athena]

Please be aware that I've asked him to stop contacting me several times. This is still going on as I just received ANOTHER email from him. This is not drama. This is unwanted harrisment.

also--yah, IM TRANS get over it.

[Slim]

Just so you know before I sent the email out, I made an admin aware of the reason why before I sent it. You have a couple times told me that if anyone in either house founds out about the trans factor, your spouse would be homeless. When you posted those screenshots on your page, you accidently outed. I'm not going to stop you from what you are doing. I just personally can't risk someone going homeless over drama.


Please be aware that I've asked him to stop contacting me several times. This is still going on as I just received ANOTHER email from him. This is not drama. This is unwanted harrisment.

also--yah, IM TRANS get over it.

[officialmermaidkelly]

I literally don't care what you are or who you are- trans is no excuse to attempt to tarnish anyones name & play victim. Real people become victims or real harassment EVERYDAY ALL THE TIME. And you have no right to belittle them by screaming "I'm trans! I'm a victim of harassment!" When you are in fact: not. Yes there are ways of communication but unless he physically shows up and stalks you or threatens you than it is not harassment. Like i said, he can go to far sometimes with reaching out and making contact- but its not harassment and what you're doing is no different than people leaving fake bad reviews on your page. No one should tarnish a name just to make themselves feel better Danielle. Please grow up and don't ever use being trans as an excuse. The fact still remains you use a Facebook profile to spy on people under the name Liam, whether you're trans or not.


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[Mermaid_Namaka]

Tbh this is getting really upsetting. Mermaid Athena WAS a victim of harassment. Harassment is not, I repeat NOT only done in person, and it doesn't have to be done in person to qualify as harassment. Trust me, I've been a victim before to. I had an ex literally threaten to kill me, send his friends to literally hang around outside my window at night, send me death threats, but before it escalated to that, it was still harassment, even when it was him emailing me constantly. My abusers messaged me constantly for weeks after I left. That was harassment, even if it wasn't threats. Even though they were playing it nice and texting me things like offering to buy me a tail if I would just talk to them. Any attempt to pursue contact after a person has made it clear that they want the contact to stop, is harassment. Mermaid Athena didn't try to use it as an excuse either. It can be legitimately dangerous to be outed as trans. You can be fired, you can be targeted, you can be evicted. I have family who I'm not out to because they would invalidate me and they would push my mental health into a dangerous area. And having a facebook page under their real name and gender is not a way to spy on people??? It is literally a way to validate themself and be themself?? It's not actually possible to spy on people by making a new profile, since they have to add you as a friend, and you have to okay it. Mermaid Athena has been pretty open about it being their second page, they haven't been pretending that it isn't or anything. I'm sorry but your comment came off as transphobic, and quite invalidating.

[officialmermaidkelly]

I don't think you even know half of what this is all about.


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[Slim]

Her definition of harassment was messaging and yet a couple people last night took the time to come to my wall speaking behalf of her. However Namaka (Lisa) you came to my fb wall last night and I had to block you. She tell you that sent a message to my mom again yesterday evening? I'm not the one PMing my friends telling them to say something to her however I was told she telling people to PM her and saying stuff. I told my friends don't reach out to her however she not doing the same. I kept on getting message by a bunch of you and I got kicked out of a couple groups which doesn't hurt me at all. When Athena had her beef with Kelly, Kelly was respectful enough to tell people to not jump in. Athena hasn't apparently told people to stop reaching out and let this go away. Athena had the last contact to my mom by emailing at 6:22pm. You made the last contact about 10:30 last night on behalf of her. I stopped, I demand my friends to not reach out to give her the space. I told you last night before you were block to stop and I already stop the contact. I can't out someone as trans who isn't as far as I'm aware. I will stress that she made the last contact at 6:22pm last night to my family member and neither did I or my mom respond back to her message. So again I will stress this: PLEASE STOP. She can tell people to stop reaching out to me. I already told my friends and family to not reach out to her.

[officialmermaidkelly]

Honestly, I'm curious how athena was outed as trans? I had never seen anything from anyone until she herself, or himself if he prefers those pronouns, said they were trans in this very thread. Many others were also confused, being trans also didn't come up until Athena said "and btw yes I'M TRANS" making it look like they're using trans as an excuse. It really was irrelevant in the conversation. The fact remains they have 3 facebook accounts made and has been known to use these alternate accounts to spy on people.


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[Mermaid_Namaka]

Actually, I do? But okay. And their definition of harassment was when you continued to message them after they told you to stop. I commented on your post because you thought that you were being "kind" to them, even though they asked you to stop multiple times and told you that you were making them anxious by continuing to do so. And yeah my name isn't Lisa but okay??? And Kelly, they were emailed last night, from him actually, that they had outed themself, and their comment you referenced was posted after that. It was brought into the convo by him originally. And having multiple fb accounts isn't a crime? I only know of the two, but I know of them as being for their own personal use, not for "spying".

[Slim]

So you must had been Alice. The way I'm reading this is like she posting her own email out in the public and apparently altered at that. If she is, that on her. I'm on block, I can't see what she post. She is not trans from what she alway told me. There is a difference between thinking about and actually is but she isn't from own words in the past.


Actually, I do? But okay. And their definition of harassment was when you continued to message them after they told you to stop. I commented on your post because you thought that you were being "kind" to them, even though they asked you to stop multiple times and told you that you were making them anxious by continuing to do so. And yeah my name isn't Lisa but okay??? And Kelly, they were emailed last night, from him actually, that they had outed themself, and their comment you referenced was posted after that. It was brought into the convo by him originally. And having multiple fb accounts isn't a crime? I only know of the two, but I know of them as being for their own personal use, not for "spying".

[AniaR]

Here's an idea. Block each other and stop talking to each other. Slim, I appreciate you don't want your name slandered. A few people have reported the post now, I'll message an admin on FB and get it resolved.

This is very clearly just a personal issue with one person not wanting to be in contact with someone any longer and doesn't belong on mernetwork. If Athena truly feels she's being harassed, she can submit it to FB for review, as mernetwork has no way to do anything about it.

edit: I think Iona summed up the issue perfectly in this thread: https://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?15391-Please-delete-my-account!

Sorry you went through this slim!

Athena, I think you should stop making all these posts on FB bashing him. You're claiming he's harassing you from PMing you, but those posts clearly look like you harassing him.

[Slim]

Thank you AniaR


Here's an idea. Block each other and stop talking to each other. Slim, I appreciate you don't want your name slandered. A few people have reported the post now, I'll message an admin on FB and get it resolved.

This is very clearly just a personal issue with one person not wanting to be in contact with someone any longer and doesn't belong on mernetwork. If Athena truly feels she's being harassed, she can submit it to FB for review, as mernetwork has no way to do anything about it.

edit: I think Iona summed up the issue perfectly in this thread: https://mernetwork.com/index/showthread.php?15391-Please-delete-my-account!

Sorry you went through this slim!

Athena, I think you should stop making all these posts on FB bashing him. You're claiming he's harassing you from PMing you, but those posts clearly look like you harassing him.

[Slim]

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[Princess Aegean]

Honestly, slim, you should just drop the entire thing cold turkey. Don't even acknowledge anything she says or does. Drama can still occur if others egg her on, but it'll keep your name out of it. Plus reacting to her just rewards bad behavior. Just ignore the entire thing. Other people will do whatever they want to do regarding posting things they may or may not have any part of, but that's their problem, not yours. If the drama is annoying or exhausting you, just don't respond to it. The people who need to know what happened are aware of it, and if others want to join in, that's up to them. Just don't let it take a toll on your sanity!

[Slim]

True and a very valid point.


Honestly, slim, you should just drop the entire thing cold turkey. Don't even acknowledge anything she says or does. Drama can still occur if others egg her on, but it'll keep your name out of it. Plus reacting to her just rewards bad behavior. Just ignore the entire thing. Other people will do whatever they want to do regarding posting things they may or may not have any part of, but that's their problem, not yours. If the drama is annoying or exhausting you, just don't respond to it. The people who need to know what happened are aware of it, and if others want to join in, that's up to them. Just don't let it take a toll on your sanity!

[Mermaid_Namaka]

Still not me, and honestly it's creepy that you are trying to track down my name? Especially since my mersona account has no public attachments to my personal account. My name here is Namaka, that is what you can call me. Also, "She is not trans from what she alway told me. There is a difference between thinking about and actually is but she isn't from own words in the past."? 1. You knew, as was made clear in your email to them (after they asked you to cease contact) where you said that they had accidentally outed themself. 2. Yeah that came across as transphobic. You don't just "think about" being trans. If they say they are trans, they are. I would advise that Mermaid Athena take Princess Aegean's advice as well, since you have kept your word on making fake fb accounts, and are harassing their page with it. You picked the fabric for your tail, and they told you to rinse it immediately after wearing it in chlorine and You did not. The problems with the fabric are not on them. You chose the fabric. You did not care for it properly. That is on you. You and Athena should both cease contact and pretend each other don't exist tbh.

[Mermaid_Namaka]

If it really is your friends leaving the reviews, you should tell them to stop. It's unethical to leave reviews of a product you haven't tried from a business you haven't bought anything from.

[Slim]

This is my last response on this issue. That email was my last contact about 2 weeks ago. I have not made no contact since and I don't got no fake profile either. I told my friends don't go to her page or reach out however I can't control them if they choose not to listen. After my last contact with her, you message me on facebook and today Ravyne did. I'll remind everyone to not reach out and bother but I expect you will recommend the same to her. I will also stress I didn't tell them to leave a review. That my friend would be foolish and I'm not stupid. Recommend her to stop having people message me and as I'm reminding my friends to not reach out to her like you and Rayvne did to me on facebook. Could you make the recommendation?

[Slim]

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[AniaR]

it be great if someone could post screen shots about these reviews. there's been a lot of claims about it, and I was bullied once by someone making fake reviews who was a friend of someone I had an issue with. So far all i see is claims they happened but no screens to prove people in the community are doing it.

[Amadi]

Laughing my ass off at all of this. I know who Liam is, and yah, he's trans. But I also know he doesn't have any mermaid/merman friends on his account. So wtf is all this shit? Sounds like a creepy got his panties in a twist because he didn't know how to treat his tail, then messaged my highschool friend repeatedly over and over to the point of waking up their fiance at night.

Came over here to see wtf the fuss was about and got a kick. But screen shots? LOL, yah, they have 'em. Should probably ask about 'em.

[Slim]

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[Amadi]

Pft
I saw more than just that dude. But I don't go to the black abyss that is Facebook. You'll never know who I am.
But I find anyone who gives me friend four panic attacks in one day to be an enemy.
Fyi--she hasn't talked about yah in quite a while. Or what cha did to that demo tail.
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Don't care if banned. Not a mercreature.

[lotusauriel]

Can we please stop already? This is childish and pointless.

[Mermaid Momo]

Can we please stop already? This is childish and pointless.
Agreed. Slim, you've handled this all pretty well. Sending someone who isn't even in the community to come into the forum is sort of a childish and low thing to do.

Block whoever this is Slim, and i would also alert a mod That people are starting to make accounts just to stir the pot.

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[Keiris]

Good grief. Some people just need to get a life.

[AniaR]

so Amadi someone who has nothing to do with merfolk joins the mermaid forum to harass slim?? good god get a life.

[AniaR]

Shoutout to Merman JV who I literally haven't spoken with in like probably 4-5 years, who is encouraging members of a 4000+ group to report my business page, and rate it 1 star because I enjoy a true crime podcast that he doesnt.

41589

I listen to a true crime podcast called 'sword and scale' and months ago posted a photo of myself wearing a shirt for the podcast. Little did I know this made me a target for a group of people that hate the host. I did my own research to see if their hate as warranted, and while I could see some people's opinions and points of views, I felt a lot of their issues were fabricated and continued to listen to the podcast. So I keep listening and being a fan.

None of that is any of JV's business. And encouraging people under false pretenses to report my photo, and to rate my business page 1 star because he's feeling petty???

Yeah, this is the kinda shit some of us deal with in the industry. Hopefully anyone who knows this guy can have a chat with him before my lawyer does.

[Slim]

Is he trying to make Mermen looks like fools? Smdh. I never heard of him. Hopefully the reviews are block until this dies down but dang.

[lotusauriel]

Ok. New bitch. When you order something tiny and inconsequential ( and ridiculously easy ) from a high end ( and highly respected ) tailmaker, just to show your respect and support their art ( in a miniscule way ), and they take your money, and totally blow you off. Nice. And thanks so much. If you don't have time to do something, say so, and don't accept the sale. Period. If something comes up later, explain, and fix it. But this is just stupid. Again, thanks.

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[PearlieMae]

Wow.

Sometimes, something "tiny and inconsequential (and ridiculously easy)" is none of the aforementioned. Especially when what was requested would be custom work rather than an extra from a tail or a studio test, as stated on my page. Also stated is how busy I am on full sized tails and how it may take a while to get you that tiny and inconsequential (and ridiculously easy) thing. I currently don't have 'greens, purples, blues together' in a scale, especially one that's less than an inch across. I wanted to send you something pretty. But if you want your 5 bucks back, let me know and I'll cancel the order.

[lotusauriel]

I didn't ask for custom work. I said, if possible. The option I chose was green. You never did contact me with any problems, and you should have. I also did not name names. Maybe it is only $5, and that is the inconsequential part. To you. You just guaranteed that I will never buy from you. Keep the $5. You seem to need it.

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[shimmygoddess]

I didn't ask for custom work. I said, if possible. The option I chose was green. You never did contact me with any problems, and you should have. I also did not name names. Maybe it is only $5, and that is the inconsequential part. To you. You just guaranteed that I will never buy from you. Keep the $5. You seem to need it.

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Wow that is rude. Pearlie is very well respected in the community and I think you could have handled that better.

[malinghi]

Everyone please calm down and be respectful.

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[PearlieMae]

Sale cancelled and money refunded. Let's all move along. :mermaid kiss:

[lotusauriel]

I was done with it with my original bitch. This went way further than it needed to. It really WAS meant as just a gripe in a vent thread. I never mentioned you, and it really could have just disappeared into the deep blue abyss. And so it goes.

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[Satine]

Shoutout to Merman JV who I literally haven't spoken with in like probably 4-5 years, who is encouraging members of a 4000+ group to report my business page, and rate it 1 star because I enjoy a true crime podcast that he doesnt.

41589

I listen to a true crime podcast called 'sword and scale' and months ago posted a photo of myself wearing a shirt for the podcast. Little did I know this made me a target for a group of people that hate the host. I did my own research to see if their hate as warranted, and while I could see some people's opinions and points of views, I felt a lot of their issues were fabricated and continued to listen to the podcast. So I keep listening and being a fan.

None of that is any of JV's business. And encouraging people under false pretenses to report my photo, and to rate my business page 1 star because he's feeling petty???

Yeah, this is the kinda shit some of us deal with in the industry. Hopefully anyone who knows this guy can have a chat with him before my lawyer does.


I am am so sorry this is happening to you. some people are just major jerks who are miserable in their own lives and can only feel good when putting others down. Sounds like this guy is a unhappy person lookin for something petty to make him self feel better and try to put hot air in his ego balloon

[shimmygoddess]

I was done with it with my original bitch. This went way further than it needed to. It really WAS meant as just a gripe in a vent thread. I never mentioned you, and it really could have just disappeared into the deep blue abyss. And so it goes.

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totally understood, but if you vent about someone on here, be prepared for them to defend themselves.

Raina, that is such crap! I wish people would just enjoy and focus on their own life without having to hurt others ..sigh

[Slim]

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[AniaR]

dont bother replying to these people slim they're just tryna bait you.

[lotusauriel]

dont bother replying to these people slim they're just tryna bait you.Thank you.

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[shimmygoddess]

Slim, I agree with Raina. It almost seems like they are trying to provoke you. Can you block them?

[Slim]

Yes. She getting blocked


Slim, I agree with Raina. It almost seems like they are trying to provoke you. Can you block them?

[Slim]

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[lotusauriel]

I honestly didn't think it was possible but one particular person made me regret talking to that person in the first place. I'm not changing how I talk to anyone on here. The only thing I'm changing is nothing. Now leave me alone. I don't even regret once being Athena friend in the past but I regret being your friend.Not nearly as much as I do.

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[Slim]

Just PLEASE use that energy and focus on something else like your excellent craft projects as you do have the abilities. Use the money that the shell was in and send it back, even if you didn't work on it. Mernetwork doesn't have a block feature and I haven't been following your post nor replying to them except this one post that quoted, please do the same. With that, I'm done commenting.


Not nearly as much as I do.

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[lotusauriel]

Jason, I am not blind or stupid. I know what you have said. I can see your snipey comments, trying to discredit me. No, you don't follow everything. But you have been trying to make it look like I am a bad person. I honestly don't care what you do. But YOU need to leave ME alone. I responded to what YOU said about me. And I told you I would fix your conch, so I will. I have not done anything wrong, and I am really tired of you implying that I have somehow hurt or attacked you. I don't like being lied to and strung along. You have made it clear that you really are not my friend. If you are truly done, then really BE done, and move on.

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[Slim]

Laurie, maybe I'm an idiot but how am I trying to discredit. I didn't call you out in the previous post but your response did (a point you pointed out and did to a previous member in this same thread or the b*tch it out thread) so I know now don't do what other people do back on them. Yes there was opposing view in another thread and I backed up another member point of view. If I understand right, you blocked or ignore everyone from that thread since. Yes I made it clear I didn't want to be your friend after you made the post on facebook. The PM in the inbox and last night text you sent further drive that point. Let's agree this are the last comments on this subject matter.


Jason, I am not blind or stupid. I know what you have said. I can see your snipey comments, trying to discredit me. No, you don't follow everything. But you have been trying to make it look like I am a bad person. I honestly don't care what you do. But YOU need to leave ME alone. I responded to what YOU said about me. And I told you I would fix your conch, so I will. I have not done anything wrong, and I am really tired of you implying that I have somehow hurt or attacked you. I don't like being lied to and strung along. You have made it clear that you really are not my friend. If you are truly done, then really BE done, and move on.

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[lotusauriel]

I have nothing to hide. I have not attacked anyone, nor did I screw anyone over. I did not try to harm anyone, in either reputation or livelihood. I vented. Vaguely, about a valid issue. So your dig about one of my previous posts in the bitch-out thread is moot. In that christian thread, initially, I was questioning why they were dragging in a screenshot from a pagan thread, with an obviously negative point being made about it. I have that right in both cases. Also in that thread, they were discussing ways to convert people to their particular religion, via mermaiding, which I feel is so beyond wrong. And then they were trying to put me down and convert ME. And if you would like me to show the exact post I made on facebook about MY feelings about your shitty scam, I can. I notice that your tactic is to use a person's words and feelings against them, and then try to spin it so you look better. You should quit now. Really. I can and will back up every single thing I have ever said and done, and I was trying NOT to do what you are now doing. But I will not allow you to smear my name, just because I was not the free ride you were looking for. Do you want to continue? It's Friday evening, and I have the whole weekend. You are NOT the sweet and innocent "promoter" that you claim to be.

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[officialmermaidkelly]

Honestly this entire conversation is childish and you both need to stop replying to each other. Just stop talking and move on.


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[Mermaid_Izzy]

Honestly this entire conversation is childish and you both need to stop replying to each other. Just stop talking and move on.


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I agree Kelly, she said she wanted it to stop, everyone else agreed they wanted it to stop, and I wish it would stop.


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[lotusauriel]

The fact that it got to this point, IS childish. Most of these things should not have happened at all, in any thread or venue. But shit was done TO ME, that I am extremely pissed about. I was going to let it go. But it keeps getting brought up, and I will not let him or anyone else make me into the bad guy. Especially when HE is trying so damned hard to be a player, and failing, might I add, and I think people need to know that he is NOT the nice guy he says he is. And furthermore. When you treat someone poorly there are consequences. Whether you want to sweep it under the rug or not.

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[officialmermaidkelly]

The fact that it got to this point, IS childish. Most of these things should not have happened at all, in any thread or venue. But shit was done TO ME, that I am extremely pissed about. I was going to let it go. But it keeps getting brought up, and I will not let him or anyone else make me into the bad guy. Especially when HE is trying so damned hard to be a player, and failing, might I add, and I think people need to know that he is NOT the nice guy he says he is. And furthermore. When you treat someone poorly there are consequences. Whether you want to sweep it under the rug or not.

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Yeah see this entire response is un needed. Just like, don't respond?? Its not that difficult & you don't always need the last word. You responding is making you look like the bad guy anyways. Truth is, we don't care. No one cares if you and someone is having beef online. This wont change anything or affect anything in anyones life outside of a computer screen. There are always consequences to every action and you are not obligated to be the one to give those consequences. Consequences come from a chain reaction to an action. You just have to let it ride itself out and clear itself up. We aren't trying to sweep it under the rug either. We literally just don't care about this meaningless beef.


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[lotusauriel]

Right......

[lotusauriel]

Yeah see this entire response is un needed. Just like, don't respond?? Its not that difficult & you don't always need the last word. You responding is making you look like the bad guy anyways. Truth is, we don't care. No one cares if you and someone is having beef online. This wont change anything or affect anything in anyones life outside of a computer screen. There are always consequences to every action and you are not obligated to be the one to give those consequences. Consequences come from a chain reaction to an action. You just have to let it ride itself out and clear itself up. We aren't trying to sweep it under the rug either. We literally just don't care about this meaningless beef.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkActually, it's really none of your business, and you could follow your own advice and just pass it on by. I don't care about your personal opinion, as you are a single person. But you are being awful vocal about something that has nothing to do with you. This thread is here specifically for this kind of thing. You do not speak for everyone, and you definitely do not have any business trying to shut me up. I have reached out to the admins. If they have a problem with me, they can respond or delete me. But if you, personally, don't like what I have to say, you can block/ignore, or unfollow me. You do not get to dictate to me what I do or say in any way, anywhere.

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[mermaidrobynn]

Actually if Auriel feels like they're treated wrong on a public thread i feel like they have all the right to defend themself? I have no idea what is going on exactly but they obviously feel threatened and yeah, it isn't always necked to have the last word in a discussed however this is a discussion that is going on in public and people form opinions over it. If the discussion ends now then both parties may end up with a reputation in the mermaid community if things don't clear up. Not trying to add fuel to the fire or anything but if Auriel wants to say something then they should be allowed to do so. Isn't that what the thread is for anyway? (Sorry for using they/them, I don't know you so i don't know your preferred pronouns ^^")

[mermaidrobynn]

Actually if Auriel feels like they're treated wrong on a public thread i feel like they have all the right to defend themself? I have no idea what is going on exactly but they obviously feel threatened and yeah, it isn't always necked to have the last word in a discussed however this is a discussion that is going on in public and people form opinions over it. If the discussion ends now then both parties may end up with a reputation in the mermaid community if things don't clear up. Not trying to add fuel to the fire or anything but if Auriel wants to say something then they should be allowed to do so. Isn't that what the thread is for anyway? (Sorry for using they/them, I don't know you so i don't know your preferred pronouns ^^")
Necked omg I mean necessary, autocorrect

[lotusauriel]

Actually if Auriel feels like they're treated wrong on a public thread i feel like they have all the right to defend themself? I have no idea what is going on exactly but they obviously feel threatened and yeah, it isn't always necked to have the last word in a discussed however this is a discussion that is going on in public and people form opinions over it. If the discussion ends now then both parties may end up with a reputation in the mermaid community if things don't clear up. Not trying to add fuel to the fire or anything but if Auriel wants to say something then they should be allowed to do so. Isn't that what the thread is for anyway? (Sorry for using they/them, I don't know you so i don't know your preferred pronouns ^^")Thank you. I really am not posting out of spite. I just want the situation understood as what it really is. I do feel threatened, and I am not going to be beat down. I will always defend myself and anyone else that I feel has been wronged. And I will also admit if and when I DO wrong. I am not trying to get the last word, but if someone else paints me in a bad light, I WILL have something to say about it. This isn't about just letting things go, because things were done and said to cause me direct harm. It is not up to the universe to somehow magickally fix that. It is up to me and the person(s) who did it. So, anyway, thank you, mermaid robynn, for understanding the different aspects of this, and for your positivity and consideration. I am female, btw, but also very open minded, and I appreciate your objectivity on that as well.

[lotusauriel]

"Necked"... ROFLMAO. You're just fine. LOLOL

[mermaidrobynn]

"Necked"... ROFLMAO. You're just fine. LOLOL
*grandma voice* technology these days

[AniaR]

you can put each other on ignore and you wont see each other's posts. I have 2 people on mernetwork on ignore, it's been great!

[Marinus Mortimer]

OMG i cannot stand this mermaid in my Pod shes always such a bitch about everything the time i spent with her at Coney Island for the las parade helped me see how toxic she is and recently in a group chat she tried to throw some shade at me but i shine too bright, if im not mistaken Raina you had to deal with her at Mermania i know her as Mermaid Wave [emoji305], from now on whenever i go to a Pod gathering ill just pretend she aint there i do that already with a few family members so it wont be hard with her.


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[AniaR]

I am not sure!
PMing you on FB. but you do you, don't let anyone dull your shine!

[Slim]

So there this mermaid on Facebook who sent my girlfriend a friend request. About a week later that mermaid sent her a friend request that she mentioned that she got kicked out over petty crap and need a place to stay after a storm. I was thinking of being hero and to recommend some people within her area but I can't. That mermaid that I've never been friends with has me on block. I'm in ALL of my girlfriend profile picture and cover picture so how did she not realize she friend the girlfriend of me. So why friend the g/f of the person that put on block unless there drama to be found...smh.

[shimmygoddess]

So there this mermaid on Facebook who sent my girlfriend a friend request. About a week later that mermaid sent her a friend request that she mentioned that she got kicked out over petty crap and need a place to stay after a storm. I was thinking of being hero and to recommend some people within her area but I can't. That mermaid that I've never been friends with has me on block. I'm in ALL of my girlfriend profile picture and cover picture so how did she not realize she friend the girlfriend of me. So why friend the g/f of the person that put on block unless there drama to be found...smh.

seriously at the first signs of any craziness and drama, you need to block people. dont feel bad. It is easier that way

[MermaidAiera]

Hey, just randomly popping in to drop some good vibes :mermaid kiss:
Drama thread needs a lil' love:group hug:

[Mermaid Kane]

Well. There is a LOT of drama in this community? At first glance you don't see it, but sh*t hits the fan really fast it seems.
Anyone know why? My best guess would be that there is a lot of money and safety issues involved, but I have never been in a community with this much drama... and I've been in a lot of communities.

[Mermaid Momo]

Well. There is a LOT of drama in this community? At first glance you don't see it, but sh*t hits the fan really fast it seems.
Anyone know why? My best guess would be that there is a lot of money and safety issues involved, but I have never been in a community with this much drama... and I've been in a lot of communities.
Because it's a community of a bunch of different people with different beliefs whip interact a Lot over a medium where tone of voice can be easily lost.

Every community ANYWHERE has drama, you probably just never see it in the others because you weren't around when it unfolded but a community where everyone gets along Doesn't exist

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[Mermaid Kane]

Every community ANYWHERE has drama, you probably just never see it in the others because you weren't around when it unfolded but a community where everyone gets along Doesn't exist
As you said, I hope my tone isn't mistook as negative.

I understand that! It's true; but as I stated in my OP, I said ''this much drama''.
And it may be true that I didn't/don't see it in other communities, but that at least means people are (possibly) trying to not have it blow up as much, you know? c:

In equestrian forums, there is a lot of drama as well, very similar to mermaiding drama. It makes sense, too. In a community with a lot at stake (horse health, human health, money), and differing opinions on how to do things right (horse care, riding, etc...), there is a lot of room for drama.

[Mermaid Momo]

It wasn't taken as negative, it's just a question that people who have been on this forum forever see every day from New people and understandably can get rather annoying because they fail to see that the drama isn't axtualt a lot, it's just more visible. Case and point being that we have an entire thread just for drama posts, if all these posts were left in their original threads and not moved then the community would seem virtually drama free, except the mods don't leave the drama posts in the threads to derail it, or just tell people to shut up and move on, they move the posts here and let people figure it out themselves if they want to (to a point anyways) . that's the biggest reason why the community seems to be drama filled: the drama isn't swept under the rug or left in off topic threads. That or people take the word of those who were not "accepted" by the community to heart. (I put accepted in quotes because only people that the community have collectively run bad on are those who were rude, suspicious, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc )

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[Mermaid Kane]

It wasn't taken as negative, it's just a question that people who have been on this forum forever see every day from New people and understandably can get rather annoying because they fail to see that the drama isn't axtualt a lot, it's just more visible. Case and point being that we have an entire thread just for drama posts, if all these posts were left in their original threads and not moved then the community would seem virtually drama free, except the mods don't leave the drama posts in the threads to derail it, or just tell people to shut up and move on, they move the posts here and let people figure it out themselves if they want to (to a point anyways) . that's the biggest reason why the community seems to be drama filled: the drama isn't swept under the rug or left in off topic threads. That or people take the word of those who were not "accepted" by the community to heart. (I put accepted in quotes because only people that the community have collectively run bad on are those who were rude, suspicious, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc )

That's very understandable, thank you.
I didn't mean to ask a common/repetitive question either, oops.

[shimmygoddess]

Well. There is a LOT of drama in this community? At first glance you don't see it, but sh*t hits the fan really fast it seems.
Anyone know why? My best guess would be that there is a lot of money and safety issues involved, but I have never been in a community with this much drama... and I've been in a lot of communities.

Agree. I have been a professional bellydancer since 2007 and been dancing 15 years now. I am active in our community and we have never had so much drama, crazies, rude people, liars, and unethical behaviors. We do have them, but the mermaid community is 100x worse. LOL

[Mermaid Kane]

Agree. I have been a professional bellydancer since 2007 and been dancing 15 years now. I am active in our community and we have never had so much drama, crazies, rude people, liars, and unethical behaviors. We do have them, but the mermaid community is 100x worse. LOL

The equestrian community has the same kind of drama, but the mermaiding stuff is worse too.

[MermaidAiera]

I feel some people in this community are too rooted in fantasy and are easy to blow up when their apple carts are upset. There's definitely people out there who are fanatics about being mermaids, and have one set idea of how a mermaid looks, acts, speaks, etc. and when those ideas/their person is challenged/discounted, things escalate quickly. I also feel like there's also a constant sense of who's better than who/hierarchy in some members' minds and that can create tension. As a whole though, I don't think the mermaid community is one withe the most drama ever, however I have no other communities to speak for, so I guess I'm just trying to think positively <3

[Marinus Mortimer]

I feel some people in this community are too rooted in fantasy and are easy to blow up when their apple carts are upset. There's definitely people out there who are fanatics about being mermaids, and have one set idea of how a mermaid looks, acts, speaks, etc. and when those ideas/their person is challenged/discounted, things escalate quickly. I also feel like there's also a constant sense of who's better than who/hierarchy in some members' minds and that can create tension. As a whole though, I don't think the mermaid community is one withe the most drama ever, however I have no other communities to speak for, so I guess I'm just trying to think positively <3

Very well said hun [emoji1433][emoji1433][emoji1434][emoji817]


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[Mermaid Kane]

I feel some people in this community are too rooted in fantasy and are easy to blow up when their apple carts are upset. There's definitely people out there who are fanatics about being mermaids, and have one set idea of how a mermaid looks, acts, speaks, etc. and when those ideas/their person is challenged/discounted, things escalate quickly. I also feel like there's also a constant sense of who's better than who/hierarchy in some members' minds and that can create tension. As a whole though, I don't think the mermaid community is one withe the most drama ever, however I have no other communities to speak for, so I guess I'm just trying to think positively <3

Where ever you post, your thoughts and advice always seems to be worth a lot. Well said.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

I just want to let all you Mers mermaids and Mermans know that I didn't hack anybody's fb and I don't have the info and I never hacked anybody's fb I'm not starting any drama on the mernetwork but this came to my knowledge and just to let you know I'm not a hacker and I never hacked anybody in my life! And I'm tried of being accused of shit that I did not do and seriously I do not do that! People really think they can judge me and throw a book at my face about stupid stuff well I got news for you I ain't done shit wrong! And it all started when Bullshit i'm not harassing anyone! But I just thought I would put this out here! I can't control what my friends do but you don't have the right to judge me! My friends are always there for me by my side no matter what happens! I'll because my friend said stuff to you you want to post it and worry all out on Facebook like I'm the bad guy well I'm not the bad guy and I want to tell everyone there so they know what my friends do I have no control over it this is my solution you don't worry about who talks to you and block them you will be fine but I'm not going to deal with being judged for something I had no control over and this is why your blocked! In the first place! So quit making it out to make me look like the bad guy when it's not my fault! And I haven't done shit! That's all I have to say! I'm tried of being judged for something that I did not do!


Mermaidsabrina

[Mermaid Kane]

This belongs in the Drama thread.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

I'm not making any drama but I'm just saying some People needs to understand! That I'm not gonna be Judged for something that I didn't do!


Mermaidsabrina

[Mermaid Kane]

I'm not making any drama but I'm just saying some People needs to understand! That I'm not gonna be Judged for something that I didn't do!

I know it can be frustrating to be accused. I don't know if you actually did something, but I do know that you need to calm down. Your post is very difficult to read, and makes little to no sense.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

I understand that! But I'm not going to be judged for something that I didn't do at And the Merman keeps judging me! [emoji30]and I'm tried of his Crap!


Mermaidsabrina

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

I'm telling the Truth I haven't done shit wrong!


Mermaidsabrina

[Slim]

I submitted a request for the admin to move this thread to be moved to the proper thread. If you put the person on block and issues are still arising, you may want to ask your friends to stop messaging the person and don't let them reach that person through your phone. They can make contact through their own phone.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

I submitted a request that you stop with your blackmailing, manipulating people!


Mermaidsabrina

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

Are you going to stop blackmailing people and manipulating people! ?


Mermaidsabrina

[Mermaid Kane]

Are you going to stop blackmailing people and manipulating people! ?

He's not blackmailing you, Sabrina. Please calm down.

[Slim]

This is going to be my last message on this issue. You have two friends who called from your phone who made threats to me which you didn't take your phone away from them. I can forward the admin here the voice message on facebook if one of them is interested in hearing it. One of them is even bragging that you will not even tell him to stop. I choose not once to even let people know we even broke up (as it's unnecessary drama) because I want to see you succeed. You even told me to wait until Tuesday and you'll get back to me on how you plan to get your friends to stop bugging me. This community works and act like a family. I try to do mer gathering on a monthly basis. My concern is will your friends that will not stop bothering me are going to do the same if some of the mers I'm friends with if they go to north GA? It's not a manipulating and it's not blackmail. It's a legit concern as I'm not the first mer your friend went off on using your phone (though you did apologize to the community for that). It's simply will you just tell them to stop.

[Mermaid Kane]

Sabrina, it sounds like you need to resolve this with your friends. Please ask the admins to move this thread.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

He was blackmailing me! and manipulating me!


Mermaidsabrina

[Mermaid Kane]

He was blackmailing me! and manipulating me!

This is my last response.
Please calm down. Prove that he was blackmailing (which is doubtful, but who knows?), and talk to your friends.

[DolphinqueenMermaidSP]

It's not Doubtful but anyways I'm calming down!


Mermaidsabrina

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Actually, weight does work differently in water.

A silicone tail feels much heavier on land than it does in water.

My point is proven. Mass in terms of weight does not change. Because of the change in how gravity affects the weight, it feels different. If your tail weighs 30 pounds than you will always be swimming with 30 pounds. Water is matter affected by gravity. I have no doubt that the weight of the water above you has some affect.

Raina arguing against the laws of nature is an argument you will always lose.

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[Merman Arion]

My point is proven. Mass in terms of weight does not change. Because of the change in how gravity affects the weight, it feels different. If your tail weighs 30 pounds than you will always be swimming with 30 pounds. Water is matter affected by gravity. I have no doubt that the weight of the water above you has some affect.

Raina arguing against the laws of nature is an argument you will always lose.

Dylan, do yourself a favor. Stop talking and making you look stupid.

[AniaR]

Dylan I think you are not understanding what I've written at all. Backed up with laws of nature, lol. The links are there if you'd like to check it out!

[AniaR]

"weight works differently" /=/ weight changes, LOL

[Mermaid Kane]

Hmmm, Dylan, I don't think you are understanding what Raina is saying.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Dylan I think you are not understanding what I've written at all. Backed up with laws of nature, lol. The links are there if you'd like to check it out!
Honestly, I'm not sure you understand what you are talking about. It's an undeniable fact that mass does not change. Weight is measured using the pull of gravity. It may be hard for you to understand, but gravity has a pull on water.

We don't feel the full force of gravity in the water because the water supports our weight. The pressure in deep water is caused by the weight of the water above you pushing downward because of the pull of gravity.

When you reach a certain depth, the weight doesn't just become negative. You have the force of the weight of all the water above you pushing down and less supporting you.

Yes, water is fluid and we move through it easily. However, it's still physical matter with weight. The deep water pressure we feel is the weight of all the water above us. It only feels heavier. The tail doesn't actually change weight.

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[Starfrit]

42396

"I live close to NASA so that pretty much makes me an expert, nevermind the fact that Raina has done actual scientific studies on the subject and knows more about it than I do."

Dylan, have an entire stadium of seats. Raina is explaining why you're wrong and you're blowing her off.

Again.

Like you always do.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

"weight works differently" /=/ weight changes, LOL
Weight is a measurement we get because of the pull of gravity. Weight in pounds only changes because of the change in the pull of gravity. However, mass does not change because mass is determined at the atomic level.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Keep in mind that water has weight because it is subject to the force of gravity. When you swim up from deeper depths, you are swimming against the resistance of the water above.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

42396

"I live close to NASA so that pretty much makes me an expert, nevermind the fact that Raina has done actual scientific studies on the subject and knows more about it than I do."

Dylan, have an entire stadium of seats. Raina is explaining why you're wrong and you're blowing her off.

Again.

Like you always do.
Honestly, the way I see it. You guys are the ones blowing me off. I am not wrong.

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[AniaR]

you seem to be ignoring everything I've written and inserting your own interpretation which is incorrect to the points I've made- so you think I am wrong because you do not understand what I am saying. We are saying the same thing and I am *adding* to what you've said.

Again, I have not said actual weight changes, but that it works differently when in water. I demonstrated this with a number of scientific approaches well known and explained how these specifically impact air embedded in silicone. I don't know why you won't just click the links??

I'm not really sure what your post has to do with the OPs question either. She's asking how to work on sinking, and I've told her there are a number of ways, and that I am working with a team of professionals to try and make it safer for everyone. You sidebarred it with a talk about nasa that's not applicable to the conversation.

you're coming off as "mansplaining" I don't think you mean to but the way you're talking down to me as if you're an expert when I have provided multiple sources to back up what I am saying. "It may be hard for you to understand, but gravity has a pull on water." ??? really? lol did you not click the links I shared???

[Merman Arion]

Honestly, the way I see it. You guys are the ones blowing me off. I am not wrong.

Dylan.. Stop arguing. STOP. TALKING.

Unless you deliberately want people to see you as a fool. Be smart and stop.

[Mermaid Kane]

Dylan.... for crying out loud, just stop! Unless you want to be argued with? Its not like the whole forum is out to get you; you just keep instigating people.

Raina added to what you said, and you are disputing her, and blatantly ignoring that we are saying you are confused.

And just because you lived around NASA, does not mean you are smarter then the rest of the adults here.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Dylan.. Stop arguing. STOP. TALKING.

Unless you deliberately want people to see you as a fool. Be smart and stop.
Please back off. DO NOT TELL ME TO SHUT UP WITHOUT ENGAGING IN THE CONVERSATION.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

you seem to be ignoring everything I've written and inserting your own interpretation which is incorrect to the points I've made- so you think I am wrong because you do not understand what I am saying. We are saying the same thing and I am *adding* to what you've said.

Again, I have not said actual weight changes, but that it works differently when in water. I demonstrated this with a number of scientific approaches well known and explained how these specifically impact air embedded in silicone. I don't know why you won't just click the links??

I'm not really sure what your post has to do with the OPs question either. She's asking how to work on sinking, and I've told her there are a number of ways, and that I am working with a team of professionals to try and make it safer for everyone. You sidebarred it with a talk about nasa that's not applicable to the conversation.

you're coming off as "mansplaining" I don't think you mean to but the way you're talking down to me as if you're an expert when I have provided multiple sources to back up what I am saying. "It may be hard for you to understand, but gravity has a pull on water." ??? really? lol did you not click the links I shared???
Raina, I've known that we are saying the same thing. It takes a dozen dismissive replies for you to figure out I'm not disagreeing with you. Y'all have been incredibly rude to me. That's why I kept replying. I don't take kindly to bullies ganging up on one person because that is exactly how all of you been acting.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

The problem here isn't that anyone was disagreeing with others or trying to argue. The problem is how 3 or 4 people instantly assumed that my comment was a disagreement to Raina, and because it was Raina people assumed I disagreed with, they took it upon themselves to try and tell me to shut up. You told me I was stupid. You assumed I was looking for a fight. I am not to blame for this. You never read my comments. You just had to make sure I stopped talking exactly how bullies behave. Shame on Raina and all of you for jumping to false conclusions.

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[Mermaid Kane]

Raina, I've known that we are saying the same thing. It takes a dozen dismissive replies for you to figure out I'm not disagreeing with you. Y'all have been incredibly rude to me. That's why I kept replying. I don't take kindly to bullies ganging up on one person because that is exactly how all of you been acting.



I will quote myself.

''Its not like the whole forum is out to get you; you just keep instigating people. ''

[SeaGlass Siren]

I'm confused. Raina replied to the op, and you replied to raina. I'm not sure where or how you thought people were ganging up on you when you instigated it by responding to her in the first place? Just reply to the OP and move on.

[AniaR]

Dylan, everyone here thinks you're disagreeing with me, and I have given you examples of how your language toward me is patronizing and speaking to me as if you're saying I'm wrong. I mean really?

"Raina arguing against the laws of nature is an argument you will always lose." (I didn't argue against the laws of nature)

"I'm not sure you understand what you are talking about" Implying I am wrong when you didn't bother to read the sources I provided that show I do understand, along with example of the PUBLISHED STUDY I participated in- which even is documented in video on youtube.

"It may be hard for you to understand, but gravity has a pull on water" you're literally suggesting I don't understand how gravity works, Dylan. It's beyond disrespectful, and you're not just suggesting I don't understand it, youre suggesting it must be "hard" for me to understand.

^ So yes, you do think I am wrong, you didn't bother to try to understand my points or see the links I made, you've spoken to me in a very rude manner that I have not done to you. This is specifically why people think you're disagreeing, because your behaviour.

There is no shame on me, I have been respectful, I have tried to de-esclate you by repeatedly asking you to review my sources. Nothing I have said to you has been bullying, maybe you are just having a bad day and are feeling the need to go off on someone.

You admit you struggle with this sometimes Dylan, but lately you really seem to be picking fights with people. I also think men in this community really need to be aware of the language they use when talking with women who have more experience/knowledge in an area than they do as to not come off like mansplaining.

Maybe you should take a break today and revisit tomorrow and see if you still feel the same way about this thread. I believe everyone's pleas with you to stop is because they want to avoid these blowups you've been having lately. People aren't asking you to stop because "Raina" they're asking you to stop because once again you're instigating an issue that doesn't need to happen.

[Slim]

Everyone please move along :bulldozer: I understand people have their own views and valid point has been made. Let get back to the question made in the op.

[AniaR]

I feel bad for the OP who just wants to know how to sink

[PearlieMae]

It's important to note that a tail's weight is not what changes in water. Astronauts train underwater because underwater is the closest thing to zero gravity. Living in Florida, I've spent enough time close to NASA to know. So, it's more like the force of gravity on the tail is different in the water.

Since matter can neither be created nor destroyed, the actual weight isn't what changes. Mass in terms of weight is always the same. It's a law of nature. Weight is a measurement taken using the force of gravity.

I spent time at the space center with my dad, and my mom got to watch the space shuttles take off. My grandfather on my mom's side was a scientist that worked for IBM during the Apollo missions. Learning about space and this stuff was the only way I could get to know my grandfather better. My grandfather had a brain anerism that changed him before I was born. I never actually got to know him before that incident took his brilliance. However, my mom and dad and grandmother knew him before the anerism, so a lot I learned about him was either through them or first hand experience.

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SERIOUSLY?

I lived across the street from a medical school but that doesn't make me a brain surgeon. And your entire last paragraph MEANS NOTHING.

If you BOTHERED to read Merman Storm's post WITH THE MATH and the PROVIDED LINKS (thanks, Raina), you'll see that your argument is moot.

Christ on a cracker! :headdesk:

[Mermaid Kane]

I feel bad for the OP who just wants to know how to sink

Same. Sorry, Satine.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

It's important to note that a tail's weight is not what changes in water. Astronauts train underwater because underwater is the closest thing to zero gravity. Living in Florida, I've spent enough time close to NASA to know. So, it's more like the force of gravity on the tail is different in the water.

Since matter can neither be created nor destroyed, the actual weight isn't what changes. Mass in terms of weight is always the same. It's a law of nature. Weight is a measurement taken using the force of gravity.

I spent time at the space center with my dad, and my mom got to watch the space shuttles take off. My grandfather on my mom's side was a scientist that worked for IBM during the Apollo missions. Learning about space and this stuff was the only way I could get to know my grandfather better. My grandfather had a brain anerism that changed him before I was born. I never actually got to know him before that incident took his brilliance. However, my mom and dad and grandmother knew him before the anerism, so a lot I learned about him was either through them or first hand experience.

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This was my addition to points shared. Nothing I said was negative until Raina and 3 or 4 other people picked a fight with me.

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[AniaR]

This was my addition to points shared. Nothing I said was negative until Raina and 3 or 4 other people picked a fight with me.

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Nobody picked a fight with you Dylan. I am not sure why you felt my post so offensive, I gave you clear scientific examples. PLease stop fighting about this and taking away from the thread. I was answering the OP and adding to the conversation, not picking a fight with you.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Actually, weight does work differently in water.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-weight-of-a-ball-less-in-water-than-in-the-air
https://kinderart.com/blog/weigh-less-water/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-body-wieght-ambient-temperature/

A silicone tail feels much heavier on land than it does in water. It varies from tail to tail and how porous they are, and how much air is trapped inside the silicone. Most are positively buoyant. This is also something we tested in our study from Dalhousie University. Larger fluked silicone tails floated more, and had much more drag. Hence why tails like that end up needing the weight distribution lower. In addition, once you get deeper pressure takes over and compresses air pockets. So a tail that is bouyant at a certain depth, will actually be negative once you're passed a certain point

https://www.scubatoys.com/education/boyle1.asp
Raina, blogs and sites like Scuba Toys are not sites I immediately recognize as academicly sound. Quora is the only site that is actually remotely academically sound.

In my anger, I did think that by not saying that I wouldn't read it that it meant I wouldn't read it.
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[AniaR]

it's too bad you still didn't bother to actually read the links- a point you're demonstrating by repeatedly being ignorant to the content. Please stop. The suba toys was a good example of Intro to Boyle's Law , Scientific American is a well respect science magazine. Quora is where people post science questions and get answers, and the person asked pretty much the same question. Kinderart is a resource site for teachers with a focus on teaching science.


Though Dylan can't be bothered to read the links, they're really interesting if anyone else decides to and written in easy ways to understand!


edit: Dylan feels the bold text here is insulting to him. I just want to clarify the text came up bold and in a different font because I copied "intro to boyle's law" from the website. (if you look at the link it's in this font) and this was in no way some passive aggressive attack on him by bolding the font.

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Nobody picked a fight with you Dylan. I am not sure why you felt my post so offensive, I gave you clear scientific examples. PLease stop fighting about this and taking away from the thread.

I did not have a problem until after my mention of NASA. It was your reply and the replies of others that I found offensive. I did not come here picking a fight. I'm sorry I sounded offensive, but if you can't understand how you and 3 or 4 others came across as offensive. This problem will never be resolved.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Honestly, you guys ARE to blame because of YOUR choice of response to me. It didn't have to get ugly. Raina your fault is in not speaking up for me and letting others act rudely. You are someone they might listen to and you did nothing.

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[Mermaid Kane]

This problem will never be resolved.

Yes it can, right now, if you stop talking about it.
Just agree to disagree and move on.

[AniaR]

So now it's my job to stick up for you when you pick an argument with people, call names, and make false accusations? Dylan, you're treading the line of getting a suspension. Do yourself a favour and walk away from the computer. Stop blaming everyone else for your choices. I have been MORE than nice and understanding, I know you struggle with this because of your Bi-Polar and learning disabilities since you frequently reflect on it. You frequently express frustration and not picking up on certain things and I am telling you very clearly, it's time to take a break before you continue to escalate. It is not our responsibility if your feelings do not go away, it is up to you to self regulate.

I apologize once again to the OP and I expect mods will move these unrelated posts. I'll be ignoring your posts in this thread if you choose to continue

[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

Yes it can, right now, if you stop talking about it.
Just agree to disagree and move on.

My words mean that even if I stop talking now my feelings and emotions will not go away. This will repeat itself as my impression of people never changes because I say nothing.

I don't expect you to understand. I don't expect any of you to understand. You just lack the empathy for it. You don't even think I have a reason to be angry.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

I'm moving my issue to the Bitch it out thread out of respect for the OP. I may be incredibly angry, but I am not heartless. If we can't talk civily there, there is a chance that even when I don't start out picking a fight like in this thread. It might get ugly again. I do not like to fight BUT there are some people in this thread that were antagonistic even if people like Mermaid Kane tells me they aren't. This is my last comment on the matter on this thread. If anyone is humble enough to make peace and give in to the other. I would like to work things out to get on better terms. However, a good start would be the removal of derogatory stuff in this thread. If I see stuff in this thread as an attack against me, I will not try to resolve any differences. At the same time, I will delete the posts responding to Raina or anyone that is mean.

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[Merman Dylan Zalrian]

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[MermaidAnnabella]

I'd like to report Kristian H, located in Norway and some of the mermaid groups. While I initiated contact (I saw a comment he said about being single so I told him that I found him cute and it was too bad he was so far away; but I did not pursue him or it). He then got very creepy and obsessive. I'd like to attach screenshots of our conversation, but I don't see that as an option. Is there someone that I can PM them to?

Profile link (https://www.facebook.com/kristian.hove.1)

[Slim]

AniaR would you mind looking at that screenshot? The poster on post 8 of this thread it was mention she would like to report Kristian H. but lacked the necessary proof. I know you can edit the original post to add him in the original post if the screenshot she has counts. Sorry for jumping in on this as I have 0 tolerance for merverts. Sorry this happened to you Annabella.


I'd like to report Kristian H, located in Norway and some of the mermaid groups. While I initiated contact (I saw a comment he said about being single so I told him that I found him cute and it was too bad he was so far away; but I did not pursue him or it). He then got very creepy and obsessive. I'd like to attach screenshots of our conversation, but I don't see that as an option. Is there someone that I can PM them to?

Profile link: https://www.facebook.com/kristian.hove.1

[MermaidAnnabella]

Thanks Slim :) I have a pretty tough shell for these sorts of things, so they don't bother me that much but I know that that's not exactly the case for many other mers.

[AniaR]

I don't think Kristian H. is a mervert, I think he may be autistic. He's been commenting on my stuff for years

[Ransom]

Perhaps, we don't know this for certain. Any advice if we disagree over whether someone is or isn't a mervert?

Personally, I'd say don't keep engaging if it makes you uncomfortable.

[AniaR]

No one can be labelled as a mervert without real evidence. Kristian has trouble with boundaries and repetitive comments. I believe he's commented on my posts before about being autistic so I think he really just doesn't understand if he's coming off annoying. He is harmless and I'd suggest if anyone doesn't want him contacting to simply block, or remove form your fanpage :) the mer-community has quite a few well known fans on the autism spectrum.

[Ransom]

No one can be labelled as a mervert without real evidence. Kristian has trouble with boundaries and repetitive comments. I believe he's commented on my posts before about being autistic so I think he really just doesn't understand if he's coming off annoying. He is harmless and I'd suggest if anyone doesn't want him contacting to simply block, or remove form your fanpage :) the mer-community has quite a few well known fans on the autism spectrum.
Ah, ok that makes sense. Must've missed that, sorry!

[MermaidAnnabella]

I'd be happy to show proof, I just don't know how to attach the screenshots. But whether or not he's autistic he certainly comes across as a mervert, and having a mental disability does not excuse being a creep. Often men will pretend to have a mental disability because it tugs at the emotions and makes women more likely to give them a free pass - and I'm speaking from someone whose mom worked against domestic violence.

[Mermaid Whisper]

Autism is a developmental disability, not a mental or intellectual one.

Raina has just stated that he has trouble with boundaries. I don’t believe there is malicious intent.

Facebook has a lovely blocking function if you are so inclined.

Labeling someone with such a strong word is the fast track to ruining careers, friendships, and lives.


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[AniaR]

I have a degree in the field of Autism, and he has been commenting and following my stuff for years, so I think I am a good judge of it.

I don't feel his actions meet the requirements of being labelled a mervert for the purpose of this thread but you're welcome to identify serial commentors that you find annoying, so others can decide for themselves.

Like I said, anyone can simply block if they choose based on the information here, but I am not gonna to label someone a mervert and potentially oust them from the community. If you look through this thread you'll see strong examples of sexual harassment and non consensual fetish projection

[Calizaire]

My understanding is that the rule of this thread is that accusations need to be accompanied by proof.
If someone is unable to provide that, then I think a Mod should remove the accusation.

[MermaidAnnabella]

I have also banned this person below because he kept wanting to chat to me and when I said I dont know you and don't wish to speak to a stranger he got very angry! I don't have the message because it was deleted months ago.
https://www.facebook.com/donasteke

I have also banned men from my daughters page for either messaging her or writting wierd things on her photo's etc :( I dont have the proof because I have banned them and deleted the messages, but I will pop them up here and you can do with the information what you like.
https://www.facebook.com/kristian.hove.1?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/lenfantdesreves?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/philippe.stjean.9?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser


Even though your post is old, I wanted to let you know that I just reported him as well. I have screenshots but Raina doesn't seem interested in them. You did the right thing by reporting him and blocking him, he is definitely a mervert.

[AniaR]

she didn't post proof, she posted a link to his page only, saying he kept commenting on her daughter's images, which is in line with his autism diagnoses, and Fifi has every right to block him and pass on why she did. (which is what I've told you to do)

This does not make a mervert, if you need a reminder of how this thread works, please review the very first page. All the requirements are listed there. I am not "uninterested" in them, you want me to call someone a mervert who isn't.

Feel free to keep posting screen shots here if things escalate. i'm sure you can appreciate how PROBLEMATIC it would be to identify someone with special needs wrongfully as some sort of sexual predator

[Slim]

I agree with this however I don't see where one person is willing to see her proof. I'm getting the impression that she doesn't want to public post it just in case if their a misunderstanding to protect the person in case she wrong.


My understanding is that the rule of this thread is that accusations need to be accompanied by proof.
If someone is unable to provide that, then I think a Mod should remove the accusation.

[MermaidAnnabella]

I just sent the proof to Slim, like I've said again and again I can't attach pictures. I'm happy to send them to whomever, I just don't know how to put pictures in a comment box.
I have many friends and family members with Autism, and actually a neuroscientist that I've worked with for my ADD classifies Autism as a mental disability, not *just* a developmental disorder. Whatever your knowledge in any subject, the true pursuit of education is when you're open to more than just what you are taught, but also doing research and going beyond the classroom. Check out Mert via The Brain Treatment Center, Dr. Jin is the neuroscientist and the CEO. He has locations all over the world and has been making strides in all sorts of mental disabilities and disorders - he has even cured war vets from being paralyzed from battle injuries.

Regardless, Kristian's actions are not okay no matter where he comes from or what his background is. Dismissing that makes this entire thread moot. This is supposed to help others be aware of merverts and collectors - so why avoid putting his name up there when he is one? That doesn't make any productive sense.

[Calizaire]

I agree with this however I don't see where one person is willing to see her proof. I'm getting the impression that she doesn't want to public post it just in case if their a misunderstanding to protect the person in case she wrong.

I'd be perfectly willing to see her proof. But unless she can do that, her accusation has no place in this thread and should be removed.

[AniaR]

I have many friends and family members with Autism, and actually a neuroscientist that I've worked with for my ADD classifies Autism as a mental disability, not *just* a developmental disorder. Whatever your knowledge in any subject, the true pursuit of education is when you're open to more than just what you are taught, but also doing research and going beyond the classroom. Check out Mert via The Brain Treatment Center, Dr. Jin is the neuroscientist and the CEO. He has locations all over the world and has been making strides in all sorts of mental disabilities and disorders - he has even cured war vets from being paralyzed from battle injuries.

None of that makes you the ultimate judge as to whether this person is a mervert, my explanation for my experience was merely a response to you being dismissive to his diagnoses by saying he fakes it. Again, I've been around for YEARS and have had Kristian and many others on my page for YEARS. so I feel I have a fairly accurate judgement on who he is.

Once again, I tell you to refer to the very first page in terms of how to report a mervert. This thread is not for everyone someone find's annoying and for everyone to get a pitch fork.

I've reviewed your conversation, he's being annoying. But not a mervert. Thanks for reporting it, use the block button. Should his behaviour escalate, feel free to post anything further.

edit:you made the tinder post for people to ask each other out on dates so...

context: he messages her a lot innocently- AFTER she reaches out to him and tells him he's cute, he asks her if she has a crush on him (which he explains because she gave him compliments) and asks if she wants him as a boyfriend. Then explains how long he's been a merman and how he learned about finfun lol

I would estimate Kristian has the mental age of 10 honestly, he's very delayed, and if you tell him no thanks, he moves along. None of his comments seem overtly sexual, inappropriate, or harassing.

[MermaidAnnabella]

Neither does it to you, Raina. No one gets to judge anyone. I am making an observation based on my experiences with an individual. You are making a judgement based on someone else's experiences with an individual. Feels more like you're trying to protect a mervert than be open to others. I see that he was reported in another post, and yet you dismissed that as well. While you and I have our differences, they shouldn't hinder helping others and protecting others from individuals that need to be avoided in this community.

Slim also feels like he was being annoying, not a mervert. I beg to differ, so do several of my podsisters that I sent the post to when it happened. I blocked him when it happened, I don't need to be told that. I found this thread after the incident. However in this case, Slim shows more interest in the conversation and you show more interest in protecting him. That makes me wonder if you're truly fit to be the admin of this thread, or if it should go to an unbiased forum admin or moderator, like Iona.

[Slim]

I hate to be that guy but let's move along as there no more further resolution on this. :bulldozer:

[AniaR]

well, once again, thanks for bringing it up, I wont be identifying him as a mervert here and if you feel that's not OK feel free to report it to Iona. The big concern with this thread was maintaining a balance so that people do not get mislabelled - that is my job in this thread, and why I have an interest in it. For now I suggest you block him or tell him you aren't interested. (again, he was not "reported" in another post, please review how this thread works) And again, I have experience for YEARS with Kritian, as I have already stated multiple times.

it is confusing that you find his comments (which are phrased respectfully) so poorly when you suggested a Tinder on mernetwork. Approaching people for dates is more appropriate on Facebook than it would be on mernetwork in a public forum.

it's honestly coming off like you just want to fight with someone.

I do not need to defend myself to you, look through the whole thread and you'll see all the very serious cases of sexual harassment I've dealt with on behalf of people here. You being offended, doesn't make this guy some sort of sexual predator, and it's disturbing you are so hell bent on labelling him as one.

[AniaR]

and just to add, by your own admission "I saw a comment he said about being single so I told him that I found him cute and it was too bad he was so far away"

After a comment like that it makes sense he would follow up and ask you, which he did in a respectful way. This kinda comes off as entrapment IMO

you don't have to be autistic to find those signals confusing, of course he'd ask

[Winged Mermaid]

I've seen the screen shots and looked at the context. This person believed perhaps Annabella had a crush on him, as she gave him compliments and told him he was cute previously. He then asked if she wanted to be his boyfriend. So that wasn't just out of the blue. Even more understandable when you factor in the autism and that autistic people can have issues with social cues, conversations, etc. He sent several messages in a row but those were making chit chat, like what age are you and saying how long he's been a merman. I don't see any evidence of him being a mervert. Just someone who thought that a someone may have been genuinely interested in him. Going to move these posts elsewhere.

[AniaR]

Thanks Iona, and she admits herself she messaged him first because she thought he was cute and saw he was single, so after telling him he was cute there's no way his comments which were respectful could be considered mervert harassment.

[Venessa Louisiana Mermaid]

Agree with Raina 100%. I am not sure where this girl came from (her join date is July 2017) although she is claiming online to have been around for years, but she is intentionally starting shit in several groups as well. This absolutely feels like entrapment and she seems to get off on these little witch hunts, sending her friends with pitchforks to attack people after she herself blocks them. You are making quite the splash in the community Annabella, and it isn't a good one. More than 10 people have spoken to me about issues with you. You need to take it down a notch.


well, once again, thanks for bringing it up, I wont be identifying him as a mervert here and if you feel that's not OK feel free to report it to Iona. The big concern with this thread was maintaining a balance so that people do not get mislabelled - that is my job in this thread, and why I have an interest in it. For now I suggest you block him or tell him you aren't interested. (again, he was not "reported" in another post, please review how this thread works) And again, I have experience for YEARS with Kritian, as I have already stated multiple times.

it is confusing that you find his comments (which are phrased respectfully) so poorly when you suggested a Tinder on mernetwork. Approaching people for dates is more appropriate on Facebook than it would be on mernetwork in a public forum.

it's honestly coming off like you just want to fight with someone.

I do not need to defend myself to you, look through the whole thread and you'll see all the very serious cases of sexual harassment I've dealt with on behalf of people here. You being offended, doesn't make this guy some sort of sexual predator, and it's disturbing you are so hell bent on labelling him as one.

[Calizaire]

Iona, thank you for moving these comments.
Venessa, I agree. This appears to have been nothing more than a desperate grab for attention, which this poster has quickly made a reputation of engaging in. And at the expense of another person no less.
Before this was moved anyone could have Googled this young man's name and see that he was being accused of being a sexual predator. How damaging and highly reckless!

[Merman Chatfish]

Ahh, autism my nemesis...I think my firing from my last job was a result of being a male with autism. Apparently between discussing tampons at work and asking a lifeguard to pick some up so we had spares in case someone needed them and suggesting that it would be a good idea to have a tampon dispenser in the guardroom in case one of the guards forgot them, and how puberty changes how you float when training swim instructors made people so uncomfortable I was fired.

[AniaR]

Before this was moved anyone could have Googled this young man's name and see that he was being accused of being a sexual predator. How damaging and highly reckless!

This is why we have so many standards for that thread, we don't wanna accidentally ruin someone's life.

[Ransom]

Thanks for the reminder Raina, it is a serious allegation to make. Ouch, I really had no idea this was such a hot-button issue when I asked 😯

[MermaidAnnabella]

I admitted that I thought he was cute, I did not pursue it further. He overstepped. I find it really odd Raina how coercive you are with the facts.

No one's life is ruined unless they ruin it themselves. One's actions defines themselves, not another's words.

[AniaR]

Gaslighting isn't pretty. You need to stop, at this point you're libelling him which is against the forum rules. Iona agrees he's not a mervert and moved your posts to the drama thread. Take the hint.

[Slim]

I admitted that I thought he was cute, I did not pursue it further. He overstepped. I find it really odd Raina how coercive you are with the facts.

I don’t want to see you risk getting a temporary ban but the site owner already made her decision. Regardless how you feel about it, please stop your opinion of Raina in this thread. Insulting other members can lead to a temporary ban.


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[Winged Mermaid]

Before this was moved anyone could have Googled this young man's name and see that he was being accused of being a sexual predator. How damaging and highly reckless!

I removed his last name from the posts for this reason. I think I caught it before Google had time to index it.

[MermaidAnnabella]

I didn't see Iona's comment. Though that doesn't excuse you from being so dishonest Raina.

I'm happy to end this conversation, Iona, I didn't see your comment but I do now and I agree with it. x

[Winged Mermaid]

I admitted that I thought he was cute, I did not pursue it further. He overstepped.

Girl tells boy he's cute. Boy asks girl out. That doesn't sound like overstepping to me. That sounds like normal social interaction. If you don't want to, say no and move on. If things became problematic after that that's another issue. But from what I saw there was no overstepping. Move on.

[MermaidAnnabella]

What Raina failed to provide were the screenshots. I did move on, what I will not do is bow down to Raina because she is a famous mermaid. I stand up to bullies, Iona. I don't cower to them.
I didn't see your other comments, hence my response in the thread. I don't see how having a life outside of the internet means I'm being dramatic.

[MermaidAnnabella]

I don’t want to see you risk getting a temporary ban but the site owner already made her decision. Regardless how you feel about it, please stop your opinion of Raina in this thread. Insulting other members can lead to a temporary ban.


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I am not insulting anyone. I didn't see Iona's comment or knew that thread comments could even be moved. I am stating the facts - I am not doing anything beyond that, at least intentionally.

[Slim]

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[AniaR]

I havent been dishonest about anything, I have explained to you, over and over again the rules for how this thread works. (which weren't dictated by me) you choose to ignore them. Iona has explained to you he is not a mervet. She's literally said the same thing I have. I am not sure why you seem insistent on picking a fight.

[AniaR]

What Raina failed to provide were the screenshots. I did move on, what I will not do is bow down to Raina because she is a famous mermaid. I stand up to bullies, Iona. I don't cower to them.
I didn't see your other comments, hence my response in the thread. I don't see how having a life outside of the internet means I'm being dramatic.


Providing screen shots is YOUR responsibility if you're going to accuse someone of something. The only person being a bully here, is you. I've done nothing but post to you how this thread works, but you have accused me of being complicit in sexual harassment, of lying, and "coercing facts" and now name calling. you. need. to. stop.

[Calizaire]

What Raina failed to provide were the screenshots. I did move on, what I will not do is bow down to Raina because she is a famous mermaid. I stand up to bullies, Iona. I don't cower to them.
I didn't see your other comments, hence my response in the thread. I don't see how having a life outside of the internet means I'm being dramatic.

The only bully here is you. You exploited a developmentally disabled young man to make some show of attention you desperately need for validation, got caught doing it, and now your only recourse is to blame the person who called you out on it.
Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[MermaidAnnabella]

Raina, you're the only one adding fuel to the fire. Move on.

[The Harlem Mermaid]

MermaidAnnabella (https://mernetwork.com/index/member.php?9076-MermaidAnnabella) I dont know all the facts only what i read here and on fb but if you set yourself out to lure or flirt with any man online you got know he going to take that as a sign that you like him and flirt back but an autistic man will not know how to take it without sounding childlike which you must have gather from his conversation, I dont know either of you but one thing i do know is Bullying an person with Autism or any kind of special needs is not accepted here or anywhere within mermaid community or fb! Especially since I have several nephews including my grandson who is autistic!! I wont allow any one with autism to be attack in any kind of way. From what i reading you flirted and saw he has autism and turned you off so you had to cover your fin and label him a brand that will ruin him socially emotionally mentally and might even leave a scar and not trust women again. and as for Raina she started this thread on Mervert so that we can protect ourselves and young mer's can be vigilant of who is on their page or following them, she would never defend a mervert we look out for each other here even have some women that can also be merverts so we look out for our mermen brothers too. Before you set out to ruin someones life be hurtful and post their link for others to bash him HAVE PROOF REAL PROOF. Sorry to merNetwork if i overpass in my post but i took this personally being that my family members are autistic it is not my intention to have this continue to run its ugly course so if you wish i can delete/remove it

[gay-mermaid]

Raina, you're the only one adding fuel to the fire. Move on.
Dude. Come on.